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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: DCCBOSS on August 01, 2009, 04:05:34 PM
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I have been reading the numerous post about how people want the old program back because there systems are inadequate to handle upgrades this game, even with these moderate changes the damand on there existing systems is severe. Well in my opinion if that's where your at now, you have been out of touch with reality, it is inevitable that you will need to upgrade your systems to keep pace just with what going out normal in the computer world let alone Gaming, and what make this game any different then the old Playstation or Nintendo. Most of who have been reading these forums know that it was coming and now are poo pooing the work that HTC has gone through to keep us interested and make more enjoyable to use. So thinking forward is what you need to do, I'm sure they will upgrade this again at some point and put even a higher demand your computer system. As for myself if the thing I want to do requires me to upgrade my computer to do it then I'll do just that if I want to do that thing bad enough, which from what I've seen most of players have upgraded or modified there systems to meet those ends. I think the trick is to build or buy as system that exceeds the requirements at present but will allow you keep up with changes as time moves on, my system was custom built in 2007 and went through this upgrade with very little adjusting.
My final word is that find someone who good at computer modifications and get informed advice on how approach your issues
:salute
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Because newer isn't always better.
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You make it sound so easy.
Maybe if I could just squat down and pinch out a brand new gaming rig?
The thing is, so many people can't play at all now and why? Ya'll wanted pretty water.
Golf clap.
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ofc they can play, just tell them to turn off detailed terrian/water.
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ofc they can play, just tell them to turn off detailed terrian/water.
tried that
intel dual 3.0`s
8800gts 320meg 3 gigs crucial ram
so its not a slow pc and it stutters with out without detail
anymore bright ideas?
btw i run pacific fighter at full detail maxed out
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Some people need more time to process change and in the meantime we could act like a community and help them work their way to that conclusion.
We have a guy in our squad running a 2002 Dell TPS 600. We're all going through our cupboards looking for things we've retired in the last couple of years, so he can build something that will work better than his current rig.
I see a LOT of whining from people in a privileged position. Not everyone playing this game is a fat, tinfoil hat wearing computer genius.
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The clock is running for many players.
They are waiting for HTC to square this game away
so players who enjoyed the game in version 2.13
can similarly enjoy it in its newest iteration.
But that challenge is for HiTech Creations to meet,
not the existing player base.
You guys with your lifetime subscriptions and uber
gaming rigs need to understand something.
How sustainable do you think your beloved pasttime will
be when Mary Jane can only buy her son the $400 E-Machine
and little Johnny can't play this game on it?
Where is subscription growth coming from?
What's the demographic of these new subscribers?
Surely you've noticed that many of the newer players
over the summer have been adolescents. That demographic
isn't known for its deep pockets, especially now in this
contracting economy.
I'm afraid that when little Johnny fires up his $400 PC that
this new version will disappoint. Then Johnny fires
up WoW and never looks back. This can't bode well
for the game.
That's my concern and the clock is running.
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tried that
intel dual 3.0`s
8800gts 320meg 3 gigs crucial ram
so its not a slow pc and it stutters with out without detail
anymore bright ideas?
btw i run pacific fighter at full detail maxed out
Im seeing people with faster computers than mine that are having troubles.......That does not make 0.02 Its probably just a code thing that they will figure out .....They have come a long way if you as me.
Im running faster fr and the graphics are clearer then before. With trackir focus is crystal clear.
<S>
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The clock is running for many players.
They are waiting for HTC to square this game away
so players who enjoyed the game in version 2.13
can similarly enjoy it in its newest iteration.
But that challenge is for HiTech Creations to meet,
not the existing player base.
You guys with your lifetime subscriptions and uber
gaming rigs need to understand something.
How sustainable do you think your beloved pasttime will
be when Mary Jane can only buy her son the $400 E-Machine
and little Johnny can't play this game on it?
Where is subscription growth coming from?
What's the demographic of these new subscribers?
Surely you've noticed that many of the newer players
over the summer have been adolescents. That demographic
isn't known for its deep pockets, especially now in this
contracting economy.
I'm afraid that when little Johnny fires up his $400 PC that
this new version will disappoint. Then Johnny fires
up WoW and never looks back. This can't bode well
for the game.
That's my concern and the clock is running.
The above is the same people who were whining about the graphics to begin with. Said "adolescents" are already playing the "latest and greatest" boxed game.
I stopped playing EQ and WoW because my computer couldn't handle it. My computer can still handle AH2.
wrongway
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tried that
intel dual 3.0`s
8800gts 320meg 3 gigs crucial ram
so its not a slow pc and it stutters with out without detail
anymore bright ideas?
btw i run pacific fighter at full detail maxed out
We are talking about people who dislike the new version becasue their system's are inadequate to handle the newer graphics, not the stuttering bug which will soon be fixed.
Is your helmet on too tight?
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So anyone remember New Coke in the 80s and how well that went for the Coca-Cola Co. Even Bill Cosby couldn't sell that one. Is this a New Coke moment for HTC?
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The clock is running for many players.
They are waiting for HTC to square this game away
so players who enjoyed the game in version 2.13
can similarly enjoy it in its newest iteration.
But that challenge is for HiTech Creations to meet,
not the existing player base.
You guys with your lifetime subscriptions and uber
gaming rigs need to understand something.
How sustainable do you think your beloved pasttime will
be when Mary Jane can only buy her son the $400 E-Machine
and little Johnny can't play this game on it?
Where is subscription growth coming from?
What's the demographic of these new subscribers?
Surely you've noticed that many of the newer players
over the summer have been adolescents. That demographic
isn't known for its deep pockets, especially now in this
contracting economy.
I'm afraid that when little Johnny fires up his $400 PC that
this new version will disappoint. Then Johnny fires
up WoW and never looks back. This can't bode well
for the game.
That's my concern and the clock is running.
I disagree In part ..were there have been lots of people who clearly needed to tweek their system. While this statment may be true for you ... there are others that have solved their problems on their end not HItechs..
<S> AS I said in a previous post there are players who have faster cpus than mine that are having troubles....
All most everyone has a differant setup of some sort....so their is no way its going to run the same on allsystems.
When you did a gtest what was your results?
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I'm afraid that when little Johnny fires up his $400 PC that
this new version will disappoint. Then Johnny fires
up WoW and never looks back. This can't bode well
for the game.
I'm afraid that if little Johnny can't run Aces High he's not going to have luck with pretty much any other game either. I'm pretty sure WoW is more resource intensive, at least.
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So anyone remember New Coke in the 80s and how well that went for the Coca-Cola Co. Even Bill Cosby couldn't sell that one. Is this a New Coke moment for HTC?
Clear Pepsi?
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The problem is if you turn everything off the graphics are worse than the last version which isnt right no matter how you slice it, It may not be possible to have the cake and eat it, only Hitech can save you all.
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As the sole bread winner supporting my family of five on a lousy $14K per month, living on 10 acres out of town where you can raise your own food (fortunately), in a 14x60 mobile home (with its own improvement challenges) in the arse-end of eastern Oregon, I can tell you that upgrading my PC is something I was holding off until next spring. I've got a '95 Buick with computer problems (money out), still owe the dentist several hundred despite the limited "benefits" my stone-age job has (money out).
The only thing that enables me to squeeze a few bucks out for PC upgrade is that we are not exorbidantly in debt with the bank, credit card outfits, nothing. Everything we own is paid for. I have heard from most of the local farmers here that this area (Malheur County, Oregon) is a place that you can make a living, but not much beyond that. If you're smart with your money and don't get into unrecoverable debt, especially now that the economy is crap, you can manage to squeeze an upgrade here & there if you need to.
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Folks...I had an old computer for years...recently I had squirreled away enough spare coin to finally get a new pc. One that I can run this update on. The game is so much more beautiful, Im glad I did it. Yes , change can suck, even more so if you arent prepared for it.
They cant hold up progress on this game for the benefit of older machines. If it were me, I'd risk losing a few, and take the chance all their hard work in improvements, would bring in 10 fold. Don't feel like you are'nt important enough to matter. Whats the old saying, "Sometimes you have to break a few eggs, to make an omlette."?
If your egg gets broke, find a way to gather some spare cash. You'd be amazed how if you really want something, you can find a way to get it.
Humpty out.
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10 years isn't enough to save for a new PC?
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AH has maintained its basic playbility for a really, really, really long time. I've started the game around AH1.05, and that was around winter of the year 2000. My system remained basically the same all along through AH2 without any problems, barring the occasional changes around every 2 or 3 years in adding a little bit of more RAM, saving up for a new GFX card until the old one became absolutely obsolete after some 4~5 years of use. At a given time my system was never state of the art, but always around one or two steps behind and that was still plenty enough to enjoy AH1 and AH2. I've finally quit the subscription due to the upset in the cancellation of Combat Tour project, but I checked the recent version out and it still runs fine on my system which is currently unchanged for about 3 years since 2006.
This kind of compatibility with old PC systems is by all means almost unprecedented in the history of PC gaming, and the way HTC constantly tried to keep people with obsolete systems (..which probably went extinct around 65 million years ago) in the loop, is to be commended with great respect, if not with a hearty thanks from the customers.
Give them an inch, and they'll ask for a mile.
After 10 years of keeping visual upgrades to AH at minimal levels - relying on basically the same GFX engine since AH1 - with very low-resource consuming changes and all the rest relying purely on 'cosmetics' involving better textures, AH finally took another small step... and considering what kind of system other games require nowadays, this new version is still shockingly friendly to low-end users.
If your system can't handle AH2, then seriously, dude, you're driving a Ford Model T in the 21th century highway. At least try to get a car from around 1970s or something... and stop expecting people will cut slack for your car from 1908.
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10 years isn't enough to save for a new PC?
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AH has maintained its basic playbility for a really, really, really long time. I've started the game around AH1.05, and that was around winter of the year 2000. My system remained basically the same all along through AH2 without any problems, barring the occasional changes around every 2 or 3 years in adding a little bit of more RAM, saving up for a new GFX card until the old one became absolutely obsolete after some 4~5 years of use. At a given time my system was never state of the art, but always around one or two steps behind and that was still plenty enough to enjoy AH1 and AH2. I've finally quit the subscription due to the upset in the cancellation of Combat Tour project, but I checked the recent version out and it still runs fine on my system which is currently unchanged for about 3 years since 2006.
This kind of compatibility with old PC systems is by all means almost unprecedented in the history of PC gaming, and the way HTC constantly tried to keep people with obsolete systems (..which probably went extinct around 65 million years ago) in the loop, is to be commended with great respect, if not with a hearty thanks from the customers.
Give them an inch, and they'll ask for a mile.
After 10 years of keeping visual upgrades to AH at minimal levels - relying on basically the same GFX engine since AH1 - with very low-resource consuming changes and all the rest relying purely on 'cosmetics' involving better textures, AH finally took another small step... and considering what kind of system other games require nowadays, this new version is still shockingly friendly to low-end users.
If your system can't handle AH2, then seriously, dude, you're driving a Ford Model T in the 21th century highway. At least try to get a car from around 1970s or something... and stop expecting people will cut slack for your car from 1908.
i shoudnt have to upgrade
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As the sole bread winner supporting my family of five on a lousy $14K per month,
Is that a typo?
$14K a month = $168,000 per year.
Doesn't sound like your cost of living could be too high, living in a mobile, no credit card debt and all.
If I made that, I could afford to support 2 or 3 families of five and buy a new, high end computer once a week, and toss the old one.
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this new version is still shockingly friendly to low-end users.
Spare me. You don't know what it is like playing this update on a LOW-LEVEL card. As has been said NUMEROUS times before, the graphics are little better than Super Nintendo/Atari/Pong/Game Boy. The only thing "friendly" about it, is that people, like myself, have managed to keep their frame rates up, while taking the ultimate dump down the graphics side.
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Most of who have been reading these forums know that it was coming and now are poo pooing the work that HTC has gone through to keep us interested and make more enjoyable to use.
I think over-zealous forum moderation can be blamed for much of that.
When you moderate forums too heavily you end up with a massive crowd of "yes men" who will tell you that everything is great and that you're perfectly on target.
While the people that have had their messages edited or deleted by moderators leave the forums and aren't here to object and give real balanced criticism.
HTC polluted their own feedback by culling all but the favourable and fostering a forum culture of fan-boys.
The information and feedback quality suffers greatly on many forums that go this route.
-Ben
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alot of you people squeaking and crying can thank yourselves.. and the others who DID NOT participate in the beta testing..
I dont know how many times I logged in to see less than 4 or 5 people in there.. and guess what.. those people are who HTC got ALOT of their bug info and data from before going "live".
Granted, nobody was forced to participate, and its your $15.. (oh noes 50 cents a day :rolleyes: ) etc etc and that whole rant.. But guess what? there is no way HTC could properly test the beta themselves for the myriad of different component possibilities all the players have.. so the participation of the community was very much needed, and there wasn't much of it.
so before you open your pie hole about how your rig wont run it properly or you are having problems.. where were you during the open beta testing? ignoring it? You knew this was coming, you had a test version to try out to make sure your ducks were in a line when it got here.. and what did you do?
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alot of you people squeaking and crying can thank yourselves.. and the others who DID NOT participate in the beta testing..
If there were any actual real-world demand for the upgrade then people would have been in there.
-Ben
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As the sole bread winner supporting my family of five on a lousy $14K per month, living on 10 acres out of town where you can raise your own food (fortunately), in a 14x60 mobile home (with its own improvement challenges) in the arse-end of eastern Oregon, I can tell you that upgrading my PC is something I was holding off until next spring. I've got a '95 Buick with computer problems (money out), still owe the dentist several hundred despite the limited "benefits" my stone-age job has (money out).
The only thing that enables me to squeeze a few bucks out for PC upgrade is that we are not exorbidantly in debt with the bank, credit card outfits, nothing. Everything we own is paid for. I have heard from most of the local farmers here that this area (Malheur County, Oregon) is a place that you can make a living, but not much beyond that. If you're smart with your money and don't get into unrecoverable debt, especially now that the economy is crap, you can manage to squeeze an upgrade here & there if you need to.
$14K/mo.? That's only slightly more that 3x the average U.S. household income (http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/income_wealth/012528.html). I can see where things are tough for you. :rolleyes:
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Is that a typo?
$14K a month = $168,000 per year.
Doesn't sound like your cost of living could be too high, living in a mobile, no credit card debt and all.
If I made that, I could afford to support 2 or 3 families of five and buy a new, high end computer once a week, and toss the old one.
Sorry, that was a typo from my tired brain. $1,400 a month is the correct wage. It's humble, but we have the basics.
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tried that
intel dual 3.0`s
8800gts 320meg 3 gigs crucial ram
so its not a slow pc and it stutters with out without detail
anymore bright ideas?
btw i run pacific fighter at full detail maxed out
TB you have nearly the same machine as I (8500 Core duo/Geforce 8800 Gt)--I dl'd the his-res pack, have EVERYthing enabled and maxed, is like flying in a animated movie. There has to be an answer for your problem
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If there were any actual real-world demand for the upgrade then people would have been in there.
-Ben
There was, first day of beta, I saw 200+ in the arena. My computer couldn't handle it, but I didn't care, I played anyways.
I'm sorry, but if you can't take your graphics down, like what I'm doing, then... that's you're problem. I'm going graphics down right now, and I think the game still looks better than the old version.
I have a hunch you haven't even given it a try playing, and you're just sitting here whining. I got a 4 year old computer, 100% stock parts, about 70% is filled up with games, and I have an ancient video card. In the old version of Aces High, my average frame rate was 10 or so. The new option HTC gave us for the new version gives me a FR of about 40. For once, I can actually fight and not have to expect the next move of a plane, because it's so jerky because of the slow FRs.
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I have been moving forward. I am not ready yet to come back to the game. I enjoy the forum , and rairly comment unless I tinker with under age beverage. I work at walmart, and I am glad I don't have any kids, or pay any child support. You kids need to grow up and move forward
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Clear Pepsi?
Umm...I think it was Crystal Pepsi.. And that stuff was nasty.... :uhoh
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Sorry, that was a typo from my tired brain. $1,400 a month is the correct wage. It's humble, but we have the basics.
Ah, that makes more sense, you have my admiration.
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Ah, that makes more sense, you have my admiration.
Thanks, sir. :)
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I am suspecting (I may be wrong) that many of the people who have lower end systems are not aware how to configure them properly and probably don't know enough to understand that they can upgrade.. I would also say it's safe to assume most of these systems are factory built Dells/Compaqs/etc. As long as one has a motherboard that supports Hyper Threading as well as dual channel DDR (up to PC4000 or DDR-500), there should be no issue for the most part.. After the testing I've done, I can deduce that a Pentium 4 HT processor of at least 3.0 ghz (800mhz fsb and 1 meg cache) is sufficient given the system has atleast 2 gigs of RAM and a decent AGP video card.. Upgrading components for these systems is utterly cheap.. I can find P4 3.2 ghz HT processor w/800FSB and 1 meg cache all day for around $35.00.. Add to that 2 gigs of decent PC4000 Ram (I just found 2 gigs of OCZ PC4000 ram for $35.00) and a decent AGP video card (there are still some very good AGP video cards available) and you've got a system that will play this game at a respectable level.. I consider anyone that doesn't have a system with the capability of these kinds of upgrades needs a newer system for the simple reason that you are stuck with a 533mhz FSB and 512k (or less) of on-die cache or lower..
Not to mention, you won't be able to run dual channel ddr and are probably relegated to AGP4x.. This is all based on having a socket 478 system.. If you have an AMD Athlon XP (socket 462) system, I wouldn't even bother.. I specialize in upgrading older systems.. I have performed a modest amount of tests on a few different boxes I've built out of old parts.. No matter what video card and how much RAM I install, no AMD socket 462 based system can perform very will with regards to the latest version of AH.. If anyone needs some direction, I would be more than willing to help ANYONE considering an upgrade to their older system(PM me).. I'm already in contact with a few guys in the game and steering them in the right direction.. There are ways to do things for a minimal cost to you.. People always balk at buying used hard-ware.. But, if you're on a budget, sometimes that's all you can do..
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I'm afraid that if little Johnny can't run Aces High he's not going to have luck with pretty much any other game either. I'm pretty sure WoW is more resource intensive, at least.
Correct. I play WoW as well and AH2 runs better on my system than does WoW. People who think this update is making unreasanable demands on their computers/demands elite top end computers are living in lala land regarding computer games. AH2 was, and remains, a low demand program than runs well on lower end systems than most games. A particular note about WoW and Blizzard, they also try above and beyond the rest of the industry to support low end systems and if somebody's computer is struggling to run AH2 or a Blizzard game they will be unable to run most recent releases at all.
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The bottom line is, if everyone who can play the game just fine now, traded places with those that can't, the people "whining" would be everyone who is playing the game just fine now. I don't want to wish ill on anyone but some day you may be on the short end of the stick and I just wonder how you would feel when you received the same posts your dealing out to your fellow AH gamers. If you have a spare card or whatever for someone, or some helpful advice please share. If you only have sarcasm and negative comments just keep them to yourself. AH is in itself a great game but the players and the AH community make it exceptional.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3452/3783143556_0a52581817_o.gif)
(Archangel)
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The bottom line is, if everyone who can play the game just fine now, traded places with those that can't, the people "whining" would be everyone who is playing the game just fine now. I don't want to wish ill on anyone but some day you may be on the short end of the stick and I just wonder how you would feel when you received the same posts your dealing out to your fellow AH gamers. If you have a spare card or whatever for someone, or some helpful advice please share. If you only have sarcasm and negative comments just keep them to yourself. AH is in itself a great game but the players and the AH community make it exceptional.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3452/3783143556_0a52581817_o.gif)
(Archangel)
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The new release works great with the good graphics and all the rest however they cant code out lame game play. The horde still reigns supreme for the bish as far as i can tell you can fix the game but you cant fix stupid. Thats a real shame maybe this new release will weed out the whiners and computer toughguys who would rather play a game than get a job. Thinning the heard or "horde" so to speak may be a good thing. One can only hope. :aok
I say Kudos to you HTC youre doing a excellent job, keep up the great work and keep these great updates comming.
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(Archangel)
AHHHH...THATS what that stands for :)
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The bottom line is, if everyone who can play the game just fine now, traded places with those that can't, the people "whining" would be everyone who is playing the game just fine now. I don't want to wish ill on anyone but some day you may be on the short end of the stick and I just wonder how you would feel when you received the same posts your dealing out to your fellow AH gamers. If you have a spare card or whatever for someone, or some helpful advice please share. If you only have sarcasm and negative comments just keep them to yourself. AH is in itself a great game but the players and the AH community make it exceptional.
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(Archangel)
+2 :salute
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tried that
intel dual 3.0`s
8800gts 320meg 3 gigs crucial ram
so its not a slow pc and it stutters with out without detail
anymore bright ideas?
btw i run pacific fighter at full detail maxed out
TB some like the OP of this thread have no idea about computers. There is a lot of hardware and software out there and not all of it plays together friendly. Some think just throwing money at a machine will make it better. They have been and remain clueless.
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The bottom line is, if everyone who can play the game just fine now, traded places with those that can't, the people "whining" would be everyone who is playing the game just fine now. I don't want to wish ill on anyone but some day you may be on the short end of the stick and I just wonder how you would feel when you received the same posts your dealing out to your fellow AH gamers. If you have a spare card or whatever for someone, or some helpful advice please share. If you only have sarcasm and negative comments just keep them to yourself. AH is in itself a great game but the players and the AH community make it exceptional.
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(Archangel)
Very well put sir :salute
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The big thing is I have a computer that runs games like left for dead or CoD just fine with graphics turned up. When I turn on aces high I cant get a steady 35 fps. When I turn everything Down I get 60 fps, but as soon as I get within a group of 5 or more planes fps drop to like 17.
I am at a loss really as I have tried everything I know. Not everyone with problems have a outdated pc.
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Am I computer illiterate? YES. Do I own a 7 year old POS computer? YES. Does AH look like watermelon to me? YES. Do I really care? NO.
Some of the 20+- year old people with high end computers that have nothing better to do in their lives, are spoiled rotten, live with their parents, etc... are the same ones that try to treat people like dirt because they're system is better than others. And since they are either spoiled, no expenses, etc... they think it's just SO damn easy to upgrade a computer. The fact of the matter is it simply is NOT as easy as some of you lucky gents think it might be. I mean hell, I worked three jobs this summer myself, earned a lot of money actually, but I wasn't going to spend it all on upgrading my computer or buying a new one completely just for some game. No, I have better things to spend it on...let's see, Truck payments, insurance, phone bill, gas money, and most importantly WOMEN :rock. I, being a teenager and a senior in high school, want to have fun while I still can. Yes, AH is fun, but it's not something I'm going to dedicate my life and money to.
I'm sure several others here can agree. So, for those with the un-Godly computers that can run AH on full settings without a problem: if you're only going to belittle others and not help others, please STFU and get back in your basement.
That's the only thing that really "bothers" me. I still play AH occasionally, but not like I used to. Am I going to continue playing with the ugly terrain? Maybe, but it's not going to be the play-doh covered land and water that runs me off...
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Banshee7
fixed a few grammatical errors
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The bottom line is, if everyone who can play the game just fine now, traded places with those that can't, the people "whining" would be everyone who is playing the game just fine now. I don't want to wish ill on anyone but some day you may be on the short end of the stick and I just wonder how you would feel when you received the same posts your dealing out to your fellow AH gamers. If you have a spare card or whatever for someone, or some helpful advice please share. If you only have sarcasm and negative comments just keep them to yourself. AH is in itself a great game but the players and the AH community make it exceptional.
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(Archangel)
I would not be. I would understand that my system is out of date and I need to bring it up to spec in order to play.
Banshee7, why don't you go blather your strawman somewhere else. Your post is wrong and idiotic. You are loony if you think a seven year old computer should still be supported, let alone catered to.
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Karnak... you obviously are not savy as computers go. The person your talking about may have a much better machine than yours. How new a machine is does not necessarily affect how it will run the game.
As for you attack on Banshee. He was stating his opinion. If he can't state his then your can't either.... geeesh.
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As for you attack on Banshee. He was stating his opinion. If he can't state his then your can't either.... geeesh.
And stated it rather well, for a younger gent, it seems like he has his priorities in line, and a good head on his shoulders, he explained his point very well and did not at all sound like a little kid whining. Attacking him for voicing his opinion is just lame.
Banshee, in reading what you wrote, its great to see a younger fello with a work ethic, and sense of responsibility like yours. Kudos sir, you and your parents should be proud <S>
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Banshee7, why don't you go blather your strawman somewhere else. Your post is wrong and idiotic. You are loony if you think a seven year old computer should still be supported, let alone catered to.
Karnak:
You "idiotically" misinterpreted my post. If you comprehend things outside of 5th grade reading level you would understand exactly what I meant. I was not even remotely referring to how a 7 year old computer should still be supported. I CLEARLY stated that the update was not bothering me at all. READ, son, READ! Or should I draw pictures on how to safely remove your head from your ass?
My post was targeted toward the people that only talk about how people need to upgrade their computers blah blah blah blah my computer is better than yours blah blah blah no helpful information at all. You know, the ones who don't take into consideration the real life issues of others?
I'm simply saying that this GAME is not my entire life. It has degraded from a hobby to something I might do in my spare time. NOT because my computer can't handle it, but because I have more important things to do.
I never stated my opinion on whether or not HTC should bend over backwards to support 7 year old systems. Hell I clearly said I don't care. The graphics and eye candy don't affect the fight. All they do is make the game look "pretty."
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Banshee7
And stated it rather well, for a younger gent, it seems like he has his priorities in line, and a good head on his shoulders, he explained his point very well and did not at all sound like a little kid whining. Attacking him for voicing his opinion is just lame.
Banshee, in reading what you wrote, its great to see a younger fello with a work ethic, and sense of responsibility like yours. Kudos sir, you and your parents should be proud <S>
Thanks and #S#
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tried that
intel dual 3.0`s
8800gts 320meg 3 gigs crucial ram
so its not a slow pc and it stutters with out without detail
anymore bright ideas?
btw i run pacific fighter at full detail maxed out
You've got issues because you should be playing with max everything. My processor is about the same, my video card better but not by much. I would suggest you upgrade to windows 7 ultimate beta. Free until June of next year I believe.
You have to figure out what is going on, games like this aren't going to run the same as games where the numbers are limited to less than 32 or 64 players in a zone.
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Have a 4 year old HP machine with an AMD Athlon processor that ran the old version reasonably well...spent money to upgrade to a new graphics card and memory when the new version came out....still cannot run any of the advanced graphics without a stutter and with all the advance graphics shut down I can play the game, however the stability of my frame rate fluctuates from 7 to 60 for no apparent reason ( I have tried to read the forums and have tried to find a solution).
Will I upgrade to a machine that will run the new version (this is the only video game I play)....sure, eventually - I do enjoy the game and the gamers enough to make the investment. Will it be right away.....probably not, like many - real world comes first.
I do have confidence that HTC will make an effort to try to incorporate some degree of backward compatibility so that my (and others) game play experience is restored to the norm we were used to (I would have thought that the deletion of all the advance graphics would have provided that -it hasn't for me) ....if not, I hope they attract enough new players (or keep enough of their current base of players that are not experiencing what I am) with this upgrade so that the game is still around when I get to the point I can buy a new machine. Doesn't mean I am going to quit the game entirely, just due to the experience and frustration, probably won't be on as much.
BTW - I did go to the BETA forum quite a bit and did not rembember having the problems I am having now.
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In case I forgot to mention - I do think that HTC did a bang up job on the update, the planes look great and the new terrain and water look awesome - when I can run it. I just hope that in the spirit of customer relations, the issues (which it does seem like a lot of us are experiencing) are sorted out. This is a great game!
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now, i don't mean to sound rude, but here goes...I think there are 3 problems at work here. 1. HTC used the same graphic engine for so long, that it got people with very low end systems hooked, and now that they cant handle the game anymore, they are pissed. 2. Some of the problems occurring with high end systems are being mistaken for poor hardware performance when the real problem is just a bug that will be sorted out in the next few weeks. 3. Being that this game is an "older" demographic consisting of people who generally don't game other than AH2, they don't really know much about hardware and how it works. Ive noticed that there are a lot of very confused people asking for hardware help in game. I think a lot of people assume upgrading, or even buying a new system that will handle this game is going to cost them in the thousands. They dont know how to go about finding a good deal, knowing what is going to run the game, being able to find good used parts, etc... On ebay, there are a lot of deals on refurbished, and used business class machines that have P4 3.0ghz HT processors, complete with AGP port. Throw in a decent agp card from a couple years ago, and you have a very nice system to play on. Less than $175.00 in most cases. I know because I just did that very thing for a friend. He doesn't play AH, but he plays other games that run great. Thats just an example...building a completely new system can be done cheaply as well if you know where to look. I think a lot of people have the money, but just dont want to spend it, or they just dont want the hassle of upgrading. If the anti-progress crowd got what they wanted last time HTC did this, we would still be flying AH1 which IMO is far inferior to what we have now. IMO, if you are clever, and creative enough, or are willing to ask for help, there should be no reason why 90% of people couldn't upgrade to play the new game. If you are in the percentage that just absolutely cant, then I truly am sorry. Looks like you got screwed this time. Trust me when I say the game will be around for a while...you can always save up a little at a time and then join us again when you are able to.
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TB some like the OP of this thread have no idea about computers. There is a lot of hardware and software out there and not all of it plays together friendly. Some think just throwing money at a machine will make it better. They have been and remain clueless.
Let me tell you something, your right that why I had a skilled builder to do it for me and to answer any questions I have which was my point of the post (try reading)
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The bottom line is, if everyone who can play the game just fine now, traded places with those that can't, the people "whining" would be everyone who is playing the game just fine now. I don't want to wish ill on anyone but some day you may be on the short end of the stick and I just wonder how you would feel when you received the same posts your dealing out to your fellow AH gamers. If you have a spare card or whatever for someone, or some helpful advice please share. If you only have sarcasm and negative comments just keep them to yourself. AH is in itself a great game but the players and the AH community make it exceptional.
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(Archangel)
I do not agree with this. Many of the people playing the game fine now are there for 1 of 3 reasons. 1) They could already run the patch fine 2) They called HTC and respectfully worked with Skuzzy and his people to resolve their issues. 3) They did the smallest bit of research, fixed their problem either with adjustments to their system or minor upgrades that lets face it, you spend more money on silly stuff like: smokes/Movies/Cable TV/That new muffler for your 4wheel drive that (rivals bigfoot in size) so people can hear you 3 miles away.. a month then you could on what would be needed to get your system running this game just fine.
The whiners are the same ones that whined before the patch or expect HTC to conform to their idea's of what this game should be like, rather then the ones that own and build it. They want all the rewards, none of the work and responsibility and to hold a company in the stone age for their benefit at the cost of HTC's future.
To answer your first question, if I could not run the game right now, I would do a little reading, make a few calls and fix the problem. If that means I needed to upgrade my system then I would find a a way to save a little cash here and there to fix it. Hell I stopped Smoking for 6months because I wanted a new toy. Pretty sure not everything in your current life is "NEEDED". Budget your money and upgrade your system. In all honesty when your operating system and computer is no longer supported in 10 years, are you going to call Bill Gates and say HEY, my 20 year old PC is not supported anymore!!!
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Karnak... you obviously are not savy as computers go. The person your talking about may have a much better machine than yours. How new a machine is does not necessarily affect how it will run the game.
Actually I am very familiar with computers.
As for you attack on Banshee. He was stating his opinion. If he can't state his then your can't either.... geeesh.
No, he wasn't, he was attacking all of those for whom the update is causing no problems as being unemployed, living in mom's basement using a high end computer purchased by mommy. That is roadkill.
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As the sole bread winner supporting my family of five on a lousy $14K per month, living on 10 acres out of town where you can raise your own food (fortunately), in a 14x60 mobile home (with its own improvement challenges) in the arse-end of eastern Oregon, I can tell you that upgrading my PC is something I was holding off until next spring. I've got a '95 Buick with computer problems (money out), still owe the dentist several hundred despite the limited "benefits" my stone-age job has (money out).
The only thing that enables me to squeeze a few bucks out for PC upgrade is that we are not exorbidantly in debt with the bank, credit card outfits, nothing. Everything we own is paid for. I have heard from most of the local farmers here that this area (Malheur County, Oregon) is a place that you can make a living, but not much beyond that. If you're smart with your money and don't get into unrecoverable debt, especially now that the economy is crap, you can manage to squeeze an upgrade here & there if you need to.
Ahem.... 14K a month sure ain't nothing to sneeze at there Eggster! I'm sure that was a typo bro. I know where you are comming from Bro as I've got 4 kids and 4 Grandkids. I'm just glad my youngest is 28! But the wifey and I help out with the grandkids as much as we can.
All the Best...
Jay
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The bottom line is, if everyone who can play the game just fine now, traded places with those that can't, the people "whining" would be everyone who is playing the game just fine now. I don't want to wish ill on anyone but some day you may be on the short end of the stick and I just wonder how you would feel when you received the same posts your dealing out to your fellow AH gamers. If you have a spare card or whatever for someone, or some helpful advice please share. If you only have sarcasm and negative comments just keep them to yourself. AH is in itself a great game but the players and the AH community make it exceptional.
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(Archangel)
While I do agree with your statement and if that was the case then it would be true, but I do want reemphasize that thinking forward in the computer world is what will keep these problems to a minimum, nobody can tell the future but can take a lession from the past, just as it has been mentioned by other AH members computer upgrades are going to happen it is up to you and your personal situation as to if or when. I thought that a separate forum for those who need help in making these adjustments, now I know have the hardware and technical support forums we could use those but I think this would be better to have it strictly for posting your systems and settings. The experienced AH computer guys can then guide you through your system settings to get the most out of what you have at this time or at least point you in the right direction if you need new components. We have a lot of talented people that play this game and I'm sure they would have no problem and be happy to help giving any one of us a hand.
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:salute :rock :x :O Good reading.
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I took 2.14 as an excellent point to step away for a while, maybe for a long while.
I used to upgrade regularly to fly online. I was a serious addict for quite a long while. I built my own special purpose gaming rigs myself (Never cutting edge stuff. I firmly believe in buying technology that is a year old)
But I have known for quite a while I have been living in the past. And I stopped upgrading my gaming rig as a consequence. It has even gone through a series of downgrades the last year (smaller monitor, ancient video card, etc etc.)
Game play isn't changing. Not that I have a problem with the Main Arena as it stands now. It is fun and where the real money lies.
But I would like a place where historical re-creation was an available alternative. And that is the past I have been living in.
And it will never happen. HTC has made it abundantly obvious to me.
So I deleted my account a few days ago. It can't run the 2.14 without a new video card. The new video card is sitting on my printer as I type. Instead of installing it and downloading the update and tweaking it all I found it much easier to just delete my account.
I suspect many of the folks dissatisfied with the update are in the same boat I was in. $16.03 an month isn't much but when faced with buying and installing new equipment for exactly the same game play one begins to evaluate the situation. In my case I spent the money for the hardware but I'm not motivated enough to even install it.
When that happens its time to go.
So.......AMF :)
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Ahem.... 14K a month sure ain't nothing to sneeze at there Eggster! I'm sure that was a typo bro. I know where you are comming from Bro as I've got 4 kids and 4 Grandkids. I'm just glad my youngest is 28! But the wifey and I help out with the grandkids as much as we can.
All the Best...
Jay
Yeah, I had a brainfart moment there. :rolleyes: :lol Someone gracefully pointed that out to me and I clarified it in return. As said, at $1,400 a month, it's a squeeze on the ol' pocket book. :)
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Let me tell you something, your right that why I had a skilled builder to do it for me and to answer any questions I have which was my point of the post (try reading)
Gotcha :aok
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"If the HTC empire lasts a thousand years, men will still say, "This, should be my only PC rig (without upgrades)".
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There are multiple threads about the update on the bbs. There are multiple posts by unhappy subscribers having issues with the update. There are multiple posts by bbs contributers who are doing nothing more than slamming those unhappy subscribers. The majority of those contributers are using terms such as; "Whine" "Get over it" and smiles to display their contempt or opinion in relation to those unhappy subscribers. I can only conclude that this is not the place to have a discussion on the update due to those premises that I listed above.
The people that are having issues raised a valid argument. (Valid argument means that the premises they listed are strong enough to make their conclusion anything but valid)
However, on the other hand, a lot of the responses are either subjective or Intersubjective in nature and contribute nothing except raising people's personal emotions.
Maybe this is typical of online multi-player games?
Let's try and have a reasonable discussion without the juvenile responses that contribute zero to the overall issues at hand.
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No, he wasn't, he was attacking all of those for whom the update is causing no problems as being unemployed, living in mom's basement using a high end computer purchased by mommy. That is bullsoup.
No, I was attacking those that do not offer help and only tell how great AH runs on their computers. It's called reading comprehension, sir.
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There are multiple threads about the update on the bbs. There are multiple posts by unhappy subscribers having issues with the update. There are multiple posts by bbs contributers who are doing nothing more than slamming those unhappy subscribers. The majority of those contributers are using terms such as; "Whine" "Get over it" and smiles to display their contempt or opinion in relation to those unhappy subscribers. I can only conclude that this is not the place to have a discussion on the update due to those premises that I listed above.
The people that are having issues raised a valid argument. (Valid argument means that the premises they listed are strong enough to make their conclusion anything but valid)
However, on the other hand, a lot of the responses are either subjective or Intersubjective in nature and contribute nothing except raising people's personal emotions.
Maybe this is typical of online multi-player games?
Let's try and have a reasonable discussion without the juvenile responses that contribute zero to the overall issues at hand.
I do not disagree with you iTunes, however I would like to say this.
There is a right way and a wrong way to address an issue. Getting on here and "Crying/Whining" is not the correct way. Making a mature and intelligent comment that is not assaulting HTC, an "I QUIT RAWR" temper tantum post, is the RIGHT way.
If i came to the boards and said this.
"Guys I am having problems running the new patch. I do not have the money to spend (or do not want to spend the money in this direction) to upgrade. Is there any information or help that anyone can direct me to in possibly solving this issue? If not are there any plans in the works that will allow me to eventually run the game on my current system. Here are my specs.
List off specs."
It is funny because the posts I have seen like this have been given many helpful responces. BaldEagle and several others have taken a lot of time to post good information that if someone that really wanted to fix their problems they could. I have offered assistance ( I have been in IT since the 90's) Out of most that complain I have only had 2 that took me up on it.
Now do you think if I posted that I would get the responce that 90% of these unhappy customers that you are defending got? Do you think their post was a legitimate problem or just an outlet for them to whine, troll, or otherwise cause problems for whatever satisfaction it might get them?
I am pretty sure that if you sit and think about it rationally you will see that, the only people that have been badgered are the ones that have done nothing BUT complain. They have not tried in the least to fix or address their problems in any manner of a constructive way. They simply want to aggravate others as they feel they have been aggravated by this patch (which they had plenty of time to prepair for).
So who do you really think is to blame, the ones that whine without fixing the problems. Or the ones that badger them because we are simply sick of the whining without any intent to fix the problem?
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There are multiple threads about the update on the bbs. There are multiple posts by unhappy subscribers having issues with the update. There are multiple posts by bbs contributers who are doing nothing more than slamming those unhappy subscribers. The majority of those contributers are using terms such as; "Whine" "Get over it" and smiles to display their contempt or opinion in relation to those unhappy subscribers. I can only conclude that this is not the place to have a discussion on the update due to those premises that I listed above.
Been there, done that.
Things were exactly like this when AH2 beta first came out.
After a few months, the whiners just shut up and got a better system, so the odds are, at least the old community members know exactly how to treat this kind of tantrum - with a right dose of cynicism.
The people that are having issues raised a valid argument. (Valid argument means that the premises they listed are strong enough to make their conclusion anything but valid)
However, on the other hand, a lot of the responses are either subjective or Intersubjective in nature and contribute nothing except raising people's personal emotions.
Maybe this is typical of online multi-player games?
Not really. It's only typical of people who don't plan ahead. Most other MMORPG enthusiasts save a lot of money ahead in preperation for new versions or upgrades, just like in the way us AH players save up for new joysticks or rudders.
Let's try and have a reasonable discussion without the juvenile responses that contribute zero to the overall issues at hand.
This is as reasonable it gets. In the end, the logic is simple.
1) I have a crappy computer, and I can't run new version = get a new system
2) I have a good computer, and I still can't run the game = see what's foogin' with the system. Check for spywares or viruses or resource hog stuff
3) I want to go back to old version, because for reasons either 1) or 2), I can't play it = sorry, not going to happen, ever.
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No, I was attacking those that do not offer help and only tell how great AH runs on their computers. It's called reading comprehension, sir.
Oh, that's nice.
I run AH2 on a bootcamp partition of my Screamin' Mac Mini. Did I say before what a rockin' machine it is?
Let me tell you, Sir, this new version runs FAN-F***IN'-TASTIC!!!
And the water looks great... six kills in about 2 hours Saturday - it was the best day in my Noob life ever.
Let's all take a moment, and Banshee, you should join us, to compliment HT on what a great game AH2 is and on how well it runs with Mac/Bootcamp/Windows!!!
Uh, I forgot what that faint buzzing was I heard earlier.
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Hello there
Can you point out to me in my post where I am defending unhappy customers? Maybe my post was too vague or maybe ambiguous?
On to your main points. Are you saying that the unhappy subscribers are not really unhappy? Or are you saying that 90% of them deserve the responses that we are discussing due to what they wrote and how they wrote it?
Do you for example, have a list of contributors who have had issues but are now resolved? Otherwise, how can you write: "We are simply sick of the whining without any intent to fix the problem?"
You and I both know (I'm assuming) that most of the the unhappy subscribers are making statements and not claims, such as: "Game is rubbish, computer does not work" It's up to the people who can reason to do so.
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My system is about six years old and I dont seem to have any problems except for the fact that I cant run the his res stuff yet (need a new vidcard ). The only thing I found was I needed to adjust things again until I liked them ,That and dump the beta test one once the patch came in . That alone made my deck run better. Im not bragging or complaining , just wanted to point out that you might want to try to delete the beta if you havent already
Just another 2cents in the kitty
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Hello there
Can you point out to me in my post where I am defending unhappy customers? Maybe my post was too vague or maybe ambiguous?
On to your main points. Are you saying that the unhappy subscribers are not really unhappy? Or are you saying that 90% of them deserve the responses that we are discussing due to what they wrote and how they wrote it?
Do you for example, have a list of contributors who have had issues but are now resolved? Otherwise, how can you write: "We are simply sick of the whining without any intent to fix the problem?"
You and I both know (I'm assuming) that most of the the unhappy subscribers are making statements and not claims, such as: "Game is rubbish, computer does not work" It's up to the people who can reason to do so.
This is true they are making statements and not really "claims". But do you expect these type of statements to be accepted with cheers? Most the ones that I have read to this point go on to attack HTC, attack the idea of the upgrade as a whole, attack anyone that says anything other then "this game sucks, my PC can not run it. They claim the game should not better itself in this manner. For the ones that say their computer does not work, most do not give the system specs or any viable information that could be used to fix their issue or even give us a chance as a community to help them.
Any reasonable person could see they are just whining for the sake of whining. If they truly had a problem they wanted to fix they would give the information needed to help fix it. No they do not want a fix, they want their way.. this is the difference. They are infact unhappy, this is not the point. The point is that they are unhappy but not willing to try and change their situation. Give me computer specs, give me a budget you can work with, I will give you a computer you can play AH2 with this new patch on.
As far as the rage-quit posts, it is an attempt to cause drama and undue aggravation. Nothing more. If the game had not changed i am willing to bet, many would have quit anyway within a few months that found this patch to be a good excuse to just do it earlier.
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This is true they are making statements and not really "claims". But do you expect these type of statements to be accepted with cheers? Most the ones that I have read to this point go on to attack HTC, attack the idea of the upgrade as a whole, attack anyone that says anything other then "this game sucks, my PC can not run it. They claim the game should not better itself in this manner. For the ones that say their computer does not work, most do not give the system specs or any viable information that could be used to fix their issue or even give us a chance as a community to help them.
Any reasonable person could see they are just whining for the sake of whining. If they truly had a problem they wanted to fix they would give the information needed to help fix it. No they do not want a fix, they want their way.. this is the difference. They are infact unhappy, this is not the point. The point is that they are unhappy but not willing to try and change their situation. Give me computer specs, give me a budget you can work with, I will give you a computer you can play AH2 with this new patch on.
As far as the rage-quit posts, it is an attempt to cause drama and undue aggravation. Nothing more. If the game had not changed i am willing to bet, many would have quit anyway within a few months that found this patch to be a good excuse to just do it earlier.
I think the majority I have seen has been the opposite of what you describe. The people who run it fine, and fanboys, pounce on anyone who has a disparaging remark about the new update.
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The bottom line is, if everyone who can play the game just fine now, traded places with those that can't, the people "whining" would be everyone who is playing the game just fine now. I don't want to wish ill on anyone but some day you may be on the short end of the stick and I just wonder how you would feel when you received the same posts your dealing out to your fellow AH gamers. If you have a spare card or whatever for someone, or some helpful advice please share. If you only have sarcasm and negative comments just keep them to yourself. AH is in itself a great game but the players and the AH community make it exceptional.
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My feelings exactly. In these hard times not every can afford the custom built super machines that others have. Ya 10 years is a long time to save for a new PC. I had money saved for a new house at one point in my life, but a driver that couldnt see the fireman in reflective fire gear in the middle of the day while at a car accident changed all my plans for that money. Even the last version of AH was still by far better than any massive multiplayer game out there. IL2 has great graphics, but i feel it lacks the playability as this one. Even on outdated machines people were still able to play AH and enjoy themselves. I understand things have to move forward or get left behind,(WW2 online), but some of you should take it easy on the people that put other needs in front of a new machine. Im sure someone out there somewhere has been left behind because things have changed and they couldnt change with them. (like shawk still rockin the mullet). :salute
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I think the majority I have seen has been the opposite of what you describe. The people who run it fine, and fanboys, pounce on anyone who has a disparaging remark about the new update.
Really?...please define what you mean by disparaging remarks?
Do you mean things like "HTC does not care about us/customer support!" <-crying
or how about "this game sucks now, the new patch is crap/ I QUIT" <- whining
Nope, those are in no way constructive disparaging remarks, they are however attempts to create drama to get their way..IE just like my 7yr old does, throw a fit to see if you get desired reaction.. would you like to see some examples of good constructive disparaging remarks?... Great, I thought you would! Let us see how people react to mature posts that are having issues shall we...
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,270733.0.html
Ahh here is a great one. Twentyfo is having issues playing the new patch on his PC. No crying or whining. He states his intentions in a mature way and even asked for help.. :O lo and behold, we bent over backwards to help him. I do not know Twentyfo from the man in the moon. But he needed help and I took the time to do so, as many others did.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,270742.0.html
While these issues are not as important as others, it was a well written post and mature. No crying and whining he stated his questions in a straight forward manner and his concerns in a way that does not "attack" anyone. WOW double :O :O he did not get flamed or badgered.. imagine that.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,270129.0.html
This is my favorate example. In This post Yarbles starts out with a moderately good first post. He failed to list any system specs, so we are kinda screwed in trying to help him, but notice he does not get flamed until later in the post where he stats attacking/blaming HTC's customer support. Support that many tried to tell him was there if he only looked. Then a bunch of excuses and return arguments. It is clear and even Hi-Tech joined in to prove that some people just want to complain for the sake of complaining. Now, at this point he starts catching it from all sides. Is it because of Fanboys, I think not. I have never posted on these forums except within the last few days, because I would like to offer my assistance to those that would take it getting their PC running.
But while I am here, yes I will take up the cup of "WAKE UP and figure out how to better communicate if you want help, or any other type of change or recognition". Because while I am taking my personal time in trying to help others get up and running. That want to get up and running I, and pretty sure many other, are tired of these posts that do nothing but lay blame on everything else but where the fault actually is.
I love WW2 aircraft, but am not a technical buff on their abilities and systems. I served the Corps for 10 years, 5 of which where working on Harriers, so I have some knowledge about Combat aircraft and ECM from spending time with all the pilots. I do not log A lot of hours in the game, and if I could not play it my world would not end like a 13 yr old that just lost his WoW account. So Fanboy, no, rational thinker who can see the difference between a constructive post and WAAAAAAAAAAAA., most certainly.
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My feelings exactly. In these hard times not every can afford the custom built super machines that others have. Ya 10 years is a long time to save for a new PC. I had money saved for a new house at one point in my life, but a driver that couldnt see the fireman in reflective fire gear in the middle of the day while at a car accident changed all my plans for that money. Even the last version of AH was still by far better than any massive multiplayer game out there. IL2 has great graphics, but i feel it lacks the playability as this one. Even on outdated machines people were still able to play AH and enjoy themselves. I understand things have to move forward or get left behind,(WW2 online), but some of you should take it easy on the people that put other needs in front of a new machine. Im sure someone out there somewhere has been left behind because things have changed and they couldnt change with them. (like shawk still rockin the mullet). :salute
Hey Gary,
I can totally understand where you are coming from. I am a disabled Marine, myself. And I do not have a great deal of money to spend on computer parts. My machine is pretty well built because while I was active duty it was always a project in work. However if you where able to play the previous version of this game on your PC with any reliablity then I am 98% certain that within a few patches, some help from us on the boards that have offered it, and little research on your part; Your system will still be able to run this game in a playable manner. We are talking computer power here.
People person preference is another story. Some have been able to play the new version but did not like it. That's fine and they are completely entitled to their opinion. Even stating such is fine as long as it is done in a mature way. The great thing about freedom of speech, you are free to express yourself, and so are we. Crying will not normally be bet with hugs and kisses in an on-line setting. Honestly why should it, when many of us know that it is not that bad, could be worse, and we can probably get you up and running if you so choose to actually do it (not you personally, just example).
So sure there will be those few that very well might be left behind. out of those few, I will venture to say 75% could have stayed if they so chose to (again talking computers). The ones that left for personal preference.. well HTC can not make everyone happy all the time...and no one should expect him to. If you want to leave, leave.. but don't expect a James Brown but drama filled exit to get standing ovations.
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Really?...please define what you mean by disparaging remarks?
Do you mean things like "HTC does not care about us/customer support!" <-crying
or how about "this game sucks now, the new patch is crap/ I QUIT" <- whining
Nope, those are in no way constructive disparaging remarks, they are however attempts to create drama to get their way..IE just like my 7yr old does, throw a fit to see if you get desired reaction.. would you like to see some examples of good constructive disparaging remarks?... Great, I thought you would! Let us see how people react to mature posts that are having issues shall we...
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,270733.0.html
Ahh here is a great one. Twentyfo is having issues playing the new patch on his PC. No crying or whining. He states his intentions in a mature way and even asked for help.. :O lo and behold, we bent over backwards to help him. I do not know Twentyfo from the man in the moon. But he needed help and I took the time to do so, as many others did.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,270742.0.html
While these issues are not as important as others, it was a well written post and mature. No crying and whining he stated his questions in a straight forward manner and his concerns in a way that does not "attack" anyone. WOW double :O :O he did not get flamed or badgered.. imagine that.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,270129.0.html
This is my favorate example. In This post Yarbles starts out with a moderately good first post. He failed to list any system specs, so we are kinda screwed in trying to help him, but notice he does not get flamed until later in the post where he stats attacking/blaming HTC's customer support. Support that many tried to tell him was there if he only looked. Then a bunch of excuses and return arguments. It is clear and even Hi-Tech joined in to prove that some people just want to complain for the sake of complaining. Now, at this point he starts catching it from all sides. Is it because of Fanboys, I think not. I have never posted on these forums except within the last few days, because I would like to offer my assistance to those that would take it getting their PC running.
But while I am here, yes I will take up the cup of "WAKE UP and figure out how to better communicate if you want help, or any other type of change or recognition". Because while I am taking my personal time in trying to help others get up and running. That want to get up and running I, and pretty sure many other, are tired of these posts that do nothing but lay blame on everything else but where the fault actually is.
I love WW2 aircraft, but am not a technical buff on their abilities and systems. I served the Corps for 10 years, 5 of which where working on Harriers, so I have some knowledge about Combat aircraft and ECM from spending time with all the pilots. I do not log A lot of hours in the game, and if I could not play it my world would not end like a 13 yr old that just lost his WoW account. So Fanboy, no, rational thinker who can see the difference between a constructive post and WAAAAAAAAAAAA., most certainly.
That's just it you don't have to have a problem to dislike the update. I do have a problem running the update that deals with my frame rate bouncing all over the place when I get into a fight (with max detail). Spent a lot of time trying to fix it. Took a lot of advice from others still no dice. So I can see from "the whiners" point of view. What I have stated is I dont see the point in the update to graphics that in the gaming industry are substandard. Now I have seen people post similar statements and get waylayed by the fanboys. If there is people posting about how awesome it is then it should be ok to post that you dont agree with that. And posting threats to quit is nothing new. Seen it for the time I have been on AH. I agree with you its a weak thing to post. But I can understand there frustration.
I never called you a AH fanboy by the way.
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ive always heard, if it isnt broke, dont fix it
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But do you expect these type of statements to be accepted with cheers?
No, i expect complaints to be taken seriously by the management. I don't really give a rat's a** what the ruder people here think or say. The reason to make the statements publicly is simple: if everyone just e-mails complaints privately to HTC, all the people having problems will think they're the only ones with issues or the only ones unhappy with the state of affairs. Posting in the forum just makes the big picture public rather than hiding it in Hitech's or Scuzzy's inbox.
Most the ones that I have read to this point go on to attack HTC, attack the idea of the upgrade as a whole, attack anyone that says anything other then "this game sucks, my PC can not run it.
Legitimate customer complaints are not "attacks," criticizing the update is not criticizing the game, and criticizing the implementation of the update is not criticizing the general idea of an update. Further, no one should feel obligated by good manners to say good things about a bad business deal. That's actually a disservice to eveyone involved for the reason stated above: it creates a false picture.
I would assume most businesses - the well-run ones, anyway - would rather have their customers complain when they're unhappy rather than just whistling a happy tune right up to the moment they cancel their subscriptions.
They claim the game should not better itself in this manner.
Fancier graphics + large numbers of subscribers unable to play is not "better".
(Granted, new planes are better, but that could have been done on its own.)
You have to understand, it's not the concept of an update I object to. It's an update that causes all sorts of problems where there were none before. It's also the degree and pace of updates that require replacing perfectly good equipment every three or four years. There's no reason a PC should have that short a lifetime. If my car had to be replaced like clockwork every three years I'd be pretty mad about that too.
This is a problem with the computer industry as a whole, and even moreso the gaming community, and I can't imagine why so many people put up with it. Look at the comments here - a 2 or 3 year old midrange PC is "from the 1970s" or "Stone Age" or a "piece of junk". My PC is the newest, most modern appliance in the house, and that's including HDTV, home theater, etc. - but the PC is the only one that's supposedly obsolete. It's ridiculous.
For the ones that say their computer does not work, most do not give the system specs or any viable information that could be used to fix their issue or even give us a chance as a community to help them.
You're assuming the problem is on the user's end. I say that is a false assumption.
I don't expect PC games to be quite as simple to run as console games, but in the same ballpark would be nice. I get in my car and turn the key and I expect it to start without my having to take 2 years of classes to understand how to set it up first. I might have to take a little time learning the features on my cell phone but I don't have to reprogram it extensively to make a call or snap a photo and send it to a friend. The same goes for every other appliance in the house *except* the computer. Why is it unreasonable to expect something similar with computers and software when all you're trying to do is run an application off the shelf?
Any reasonable person could see they are just whining for the sake of whining. If they truly had a problem they wanted to fix they would give the information needed to help fix it.
The problem that needs fixing is not on this end. The information needed to solve the problem is knowing that lots of players are having problems and can't run the game. Posting here provides that information.
Give me computer specs, give me a budget you can work with, I will give you a computer you can play AH2 with this new patch on.
That is not the solution to the problem, that only perpetuates the problem. In a year or three we'll be right back here again. Microsoft will introduce a new OS and everyone will have to buy new machines and replace all their software because nothing is ever properly backwards-compatible. AH2 will be "upgraded" so it won't run on XP. It's a racket.
As far as the rage-quit posts, it is an attempt to cause drama and undue aggravation. Nothing more.
Again, they are working toward a solution by providing the necessary information: that large numbers of customers are unhappy.
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That's just it you don't have to have a problem to dislike the update. I do have a problem running the update that deals with my frame rate bouncing all over the place when I get into a fight (with max detail). Spent a lot of time trying to fix it. Took a lot of advice from others still no dice. So I can see from "the whiners" point of view. What I have stated is I dont see the point in the update to graphics that in the gaming industry are substandard. Now I have seen people post similar statements and get waylayed by the fanboys. If there is people posting about how awesome it is then it should be ok to post that you dont agree with that. And posting threats to quit is nothing new. Seen it for the time I have been on AH. I agree with you its a weak thing to post. But I can understand there frustration.
I never called you a AH fanboy by the way.
Ohh I know you didn't call me one, just wanted to make that statement before it was implied else where.
You are 100% correct, everyone is entitled to voice their opinion. But on that flip side, everyone else is entitled to voice their opinion about your opinion. Why would anyone be supprised that return opinions on a comment you make are as harsh as the comment you made.
"This game SUCKS, HTC screwed us man"
reply "deal with it, shut up and move on"
He had the right to post his comment, just as the person that replied had the right to post his. Was the original comment constructive? Did it add one ounce of weight to any situation or help HTC in any way? Nope, so why should you expect the replays to such post add anything constructive. In a perfect world the replies would all be sugar coated "dudes it going to be ok, here have my PC to play with till you can afford a new one, or they patch the game so yours works".
This is however not a perfect world, and people tend to respond in kind to comments made.
If I called someone a name, I am pretty sure that someone other then that person will take the opportunity to call me a name, even if they do not know the person I am speaking to. It is right, not really, all depends on your view of ethics and maturity. Is it realistic to remember, What you say, How you say it, determines the responce you get, YUP very much so.
Bottom line is the difference between how it should be, how you perceive it is, and how it really is. Reality, don't post crap and you don't get crap. IF you write a post, wait 5min walk away, come back and read it. IF someone else posted a post like you are about to and you would, or have flamed them in the past, what makes you think your post will be accepted in any other fashion..because your YOU? (not directed at you, just an example). "You" (again example not directed at you personally) are little more then a screen name and black text on HTC's bbs. If people understood this and did not expect to be treated like the Doctor, Farmer, Wife, Son, Daughter, Lawyer that they are in real life. If they left the ego at the login screen, they would find a much better forum here. But again, this is not realistic. SO in closing I will simply say, expect what is realistic, not what is right.
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Let's all take a moment, and Banshee, you should join us, to compliment HT on what a great game AH2 is and on how well it runs with Mac/Bootcamp/Windows!!!
You must've been in the same class Karnak attended. Not ONCE have I even MENTIONED the game, let alone degraded it, whined about it, etc... My post have been strictly directed toward individuals themselves. I don't know how many times I have to tell you thick-skulled human beings this. It seems I have repeated myself several times in three posts.
Also, I have yet to even mention the letters HTC or the people associated with them. I haven't complained about them, whined to them, etc... like others have. I think they do a fine job, and I have never had any problems other than the ones that I have caused. So, next time you post with a quote from me or one directed to me, don't try to add your own words.
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Ohh I know you didn't call me one, just wanted to make that statement before it was implied else where.
You are 100% correct, everyone is entitled to voice their opinion. But on that flip side, everyone else is entitled to voice their opinion about your opinion. Why would anyone be supprised that return opinions on a comment you make are as harsh as the comment you made.
"This game SUCKS, HTC screwed us man"
reply "deal with it, shut up and move on"
He had the right to post his comment, just as the person that replied had the right to post his. Was the original comment constructive? Did it add one ounce of weight to any situation or help HTC in any way? Nope, so why should you expect the replays to such post add anything constructive. In a perfect world the replies would all be sugar coated "dudes it going to be ok, here have my PC to play with till you can afford a new one, or they patch the game so yours works".
This is however not a perfect world, and people tend to respond in kind to comments made.
If I called someone a name, I am pretty sure that someone other then that person will take the opportunity to call me a name, even if they do not know the person I am speaking to. It is right, not really, all depends on your view of ethics and maturity. Is it realistic to remember, What you say, How you say it, determines the responce you get, YUP very much so.
Bottom line is the difference between how it should be, how you perceive it is, and how it really is. Reality, don't post crap and you don't get crap. IF you write a post, wait 5min walk away, come back and read it. IF someone else posted a post like you are about to and you would, or have flamed them in the past, what makes you think your post will be accepted in any other fashion..because your YOU? (not directed at you, just an example). "You" (again example not directed at you personally) are little more then a screen name and black text on HTC's bbs. If people understood this and did not expect to be treated like the Doctor, Farmer, Wife, Son, Daughter, Lawyer that they are in real life. If they left the ego at the login screen, they would find a much better forum here. But again, this is not realistic. SO in closing I will simply say, expect what is realistic, not what is right.
Yeah you are right. A little more civil discussions on here though would be a great thing.
I think AH is great personally and I know that HTC worked hard on the update. Although I don't think that you have to say the update is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
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ive always heard, if it isnt broke, dont fix it
So we should all be walking everywhere, I mean our legs are not broke, why should we try to improve transportation.
TV was not broke when it was black and white, yet we added color. Guess you still want black and white?
This game was not broken, but was 10-15 years behind the times in Graphics quality. While it is a game you PLAY, it is a living to HTC, and he has to be competitive with the market. If you even begin to think that all he competes with is other flight sims you are dead wrong. Research has always shown that a majority of people that play flight sims, historical games, combat simulations also play other types of games. The issue comes down to someone has this much money they can spend gaming..what game do I go with?... The one with graphics that rival air combat games in the mid 90's or the game with second generation shaders.
Sure you can say "best flight model in the business".. but what weight does that bring eh? Can you "see"the flight model on the box, or on the video? Chevy says THEY are the best, and 2 min later ford comes on the TV and says they are the best. In-between you had TV spots from Wendy's and Burger King.. guess what! They said they where the best to. Lets be realistic before we spew old hand me down lines that only work in a hand full of situations.
While in my opinion this game has the best flight model in the business and that is to most of us the real part of the game, have you ever tried to market a flight model. Exactly how would you do this. I would love to see that TV spot.. AH FLIGHTMODEL!!...Think that would sell? Honestly?
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No, i expect complaints to be taken seriously by the management. I don't really give a rat's a** what the ruder people here think or say. The reason to make the statements publicly is simple: if everyone just e-mails complaints privately to HTC, all the people having problems will think they're the only ones with issues or the only ones unhappy with the state of affairs. Posting in the forum just makes the big picture public rather than hiding it in Hitech's or Scuzzy's inbox.
"This game sucks now! HTC screwed us, his Customer support sucks" What in this can you expect to be taken seriously? I am not talking about the actual problem posts. Please show me a post someone stated an actual problem, gave some specs, and tried to explain what happened that they where flamed on. That Hi-Tech/HTC did not take seriously.
Legitimate customer complaints are not "attacks," criticizing the update is not criticizing the game, and criticizing the implementation of the update is not criticizing the general idea of an update. Further, no one should feel obligated by good manners to say good things about a bad business deal. That's actually a disservice to everyone involved for the reason stated above: it creates a false picture.
I would assume most businesses - the well-run ones, anyway - would rather have their customers complain when they're unhappy rather than just whistling a happy tune right up to the moment they cancel their subscriptions.
Legitimate customer complains come in a legit fashion, do me a favor call any service provider and simply say "YOU SERVICE SUCKS" and see how much help they can and will give you from that comment or any like it. Then come back and read these posts over. BTW because it was not fixed the very second you posted it, do not think it was not taken seriously if you did post a true complaint. Realistic expectations...
Fancier graphics + large numbers of subscribers unable to play is not "better".
(Granted, new planes are better, but that could have been done on its own.)
You have to understand, it's not the concept of an update I object to. It's an update that causes all sorts of problems where there were none before. It's also the degree and pace of updates that require replacing perfectly good equipment every three or four years. There's no reason a PC should have that short a lifetime. If my car had to be replaced like clockwork every three years I'd be pretty mad about that too.
You ever heard that it is not the dope on the rifle (ie the sights) if the dope using the rifle, in terms of someone not hitting the mark. I will say the same to you. If your PC is not lasting 3 years, then perhaps the problem is actually YOU, not HTC. A 3 year old computer should run this game no problems, even a low end system that is 3 years old should run this program no problem. As far as graphics, this is your Opinion, and clearly not the opinion of HTC. To say you do not agree with the addition of the graphics is fine. But do you really expect HTC or anyone else for that matter to entertain crying/whining? There is a difference between the 2.
Define "Large numbers of subscribers unable to play".. do you have numbers of players that can not play this game?
Also have you ever designed a computer game.. do you know how hard it is to make software that will run on thousands of different combination of PC's. Do you think HTC can even start to anticipate all those combination let alone test them? If you really think this then you need a cold snap back to reality. This is software and updates have bugs, there where bugs before the update and there will be after. These bugs will be worked out, the only true issue is the time frame which seems some of you can not get past the "have it your way now" attitude.
This is a problem with the computer industry as a whole, and even more so the gaming community, and I can't imagine why so many people put up with it. Look at the comments here - a 2 or 3 year old midrange PC is "from the 1970s" or "Stone Age" or a "piece of junk". My PC is the newest, most modern appliance in the house, and that's including HDTV, home theater, etc. - but the PC is the only one that's supposedly obsolete. It's ridiculous.
Please link me your post where you gave the specs to your PC and it was called obsolete and stoneage. Otherwise your just talking out your hind parts trying to prove a point.
You're assuming the problem is on the user's end. I say that is a false assumption.
I don't expect PC games to be quite as simple to run as console games, but in the same ballpark would be nice. I get in my car and turn the key and I expect it to start without my having to take 2 years of classes to understand how to set it up first. I might have to take a little time learning the features on my cell phone but I don't have to reprogram it extensively to make a call or snap a photo and send it to a friend. The same goes for every other appliance in the house *except* the computer. Why is it unreasonable to expect something similar with computers and software when all you're trying to do is run an application off the shelf.
First off I assume nothing. IT and computer experience tells me that 50% of all problems are with the user, 50% with the software. Comparing PC to console based gaming is really kinda silly, and would only work if there where a very few types of computers out there. Do you think there are only a few types of computer out there. It is clear you are arguing about a subject you have very little experience in. While this is nothing bad, just understand it is not as easy, or as fluid as you think it is. IF you did not load the beta and participate, then do not feel as if YOUR problems should have been fixed by someone else.
The problem that needs fixing is not on this end. The information needed to solve the problem is knowing that lots of players are having problems and can't run the game. Posting here provides that information
Wrong.. posting your actual PROBLEM and technical information will help fix the problem. posting "This game sucks WAAAAAAAA solves nothing.
That is not the solution to the problem, that only perpetuates the problem. In a year or three we'll be right back here again. Microsoft will introduce a new OS and everyone will have to buy new machines and replace all their software because nothing is ever properly backwards-compatible. AH2 will be "upgraded" so it won't run on XP. It's a racket.
This is really not the issue, HTC has not control on MS. Additionally this program works with how many versions of Windows currently? You are over generalizing and dramatizing in an effort to make a point. This does nothing to prove your point nor adds any credability to your opinion.
Again, they are working toward a solution by providing the necessary information: that large numbers of customers are unhappy.
and yet AGAIN.. do you really feel posts like "THIS VERSIOIN SUCKS..WAAAAA" provide useful information to Hi-Tech or anyone else...really? seriously?..
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So we should all be walking everywhere, I mean our legs are not broke, why should we try to improve transportation.
TV was not broke when it was black and white, yet we added color. Guess you still want black and white?
How many times in your life have you had to buy a new car because your current one was incompatible with the new transportation network and could no longer be taken out on the highway, even though there was nothing broken on the car itself?
Likewise, how many times have you had to buy a whole new TV because it would no longer display broadcasts?
The problem isn't things getting better, it's planned/forced obsolescence.
This game was not broken, but was 10-15 years behind the times in Graphics quality. While it is a game you PLAY, it is a living to HTC, and he has to be competitive with the market. If you even begin to think that all he competes with is other flight sims you are dead wrong. Research has always shown that a majority of people that play flight sims, historical games, combat simulations also play other types of games. The issue comes down to someone has this much money they can spend gaming..what game do I go with?... The one with graphics that rival air combat games in the mid 90's or the game with second generation shaders.
I see your point, but I'm curious why just about everyone making similar points feels the need to employ such absurd hyperole. 10-15 years? Get real. 15 years ago I was playing Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe, and a comparison of those two games is ludicrous. 11 years ago I was playing Air Warrior, and AH2 as it existed two weeks ago blew that away for both graphics and game play. It was more comparable to MS Combat Flight Simulator. What you really mean is five or six years, but saying that doesn't have the same weight to it, does it? Just like everyone calling a computer bought in 2006 a "Model T" or a "1970s dinosaur". Saying the literal truth - a three-year-old computer is obsolete and must be replaced - rather than exaggerating it by a factor of ten just shows up how ridiculous the statement is.
Sure you can say "best flight model in the business".. but what weight does that bring eh?
Right, so it's harder to demonstrate. Still, for me the flight model is ten times more important than the graphics, and I think the game is better off without the kiddies for whom the reverse is true. Of course I understand that HTC's business needs take priority over my wishes, but since we're all airing our own opinions...
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So we should all be walking everywhere, I mean our legs are not broke, why should we try to improve transportation.
TV was not broke when it was black and white, yet we added color. Guess you still want black and white?
This game was not broken, but was 10-15 years behind the times in Graphics quality. While it is a game you PLAY, it is a living to HTC, and he has to be competitive with the market. If you even begin to think that all he competes with is other flight sims you are dead wrong. Research has always shown that a majority of people that play flight sims, historical games, combat simulations also play other types of games. The issue comes down to someone has this much money they can spend gaming..what game do I go with?... The one with graphics that rival air combat games in the mid 90's or the game with second generation shaders.
Sure you can say "best flight model in the business".. but what weight does that bring eh? Can you "see"the flight model on the box, or on the video? Chevy says THEY are the best, and 2 min later ford comes on the TV and says they are the best. In-between you had TV spots from Wendy's and Burger King.. guess what! They said they where the best to. Lets be realistic before we spew old hand me down lines that only work in a hand full of situations.
While in my opinion this game has the best flight model in the business and that is to most of us the real part of the game, have you ever tried to market a flight model. Exactly how would you do this. I would love to see that TV spot.. AH FLIGHTMODEL!!...Think that would sell? Honestly?
you want me to read a reply, sum it up in one sentence : k thx, not in to reading anymore books
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The problem isn't things getting better, it's planned/forced obsolescence.
It's forced obsolescence from hardware getting better.Trying to create an analogy with the computer industry is really just stupid because there's really nothing analogous with it.
I see your point, but I'm curious why just about everyone making similar points feels the need to employ such absurd hyperole. 10-15 years? Get real. 15 years ago I was playing Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe, and a comparison of those two games is ludicrous. 11 years ago I was playing Air Warrior, and AH2 as it existed two weeks ago blew that away for both graphics and game play.
This is a comparison of old and new versions of two games... the one on the left came out in 2000 (9 years ago), the right 2004 I think.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/43/Counterstrike-comparison.jpg)
Really AH 2.14 is still like 3-5 years behind.
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How many times in your life have you had to buy a new car because your current one was incompatible with the new transportation network and could no longer be taken out on the highway, even though there was nothing broken on the car itself?
Likewise, how many times have you had to buy a whole new TV because it would no longer display broadcasts?
The problem isn't things getting better, it's planned/forced obsolescence.
How many times have you payed 25,000-35,000 for a PC?
Computers advance as technology does. It is simple, You can not take a new car back 50 years and hope for it to run properly off leaded gas can you? Computers are a much smaller scale then transportation changes. They cant make prettier roads that require slightly stronger cars to drive on. But if they could, I bet they would have. So your comparison holds no weight.
I see your point, but I'm curious why just about everyone making similar points feels the need to employ such absurd hyperole. 10-15 years? Get real. 15 years ago I was playing Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe, and a comparison of those two games is ludicrous. 11 years ago I was playing Air Warrior, and AH2 as it existed two weeks ago blew that away for both graphics and game play. It was more comparable to MS Combat Flight Simulator. What you really mean is five or six years, but saying that doesn't have the same weight to it, does it? Just like everyone calling a computer bought in 2006 a "Model T" or a "1970s dinosaur". Saying the literal truth - a three-year-old computer is obsolete and must be replaced - rather than exaggerating it by a factor of ten just shows up how ridiculous the statement is
No I mean 10-15 year ago..here just to prove it to you here is a screen shot from that era
(http://i.d.com.com/i/dl/media/dlimage/90/71/9/90719_large.jpeg)
This is from 1994. Seeing as how the Ground, water, and such was the change, not the detail of the planes, yet the graphics for such where LONG overdue. Also note this si a screen shot from a computer of that generation, if you play it on a new system is actually looks much better. But its software was wrote when?.. Thats right 1993-94. That was 15 years ago.. move up 5 years and it got even better. So the compairson in the most part stands.
I am still waiting on the post that said your computer was a dinosaur , and in that post you gave your specs.
Right, so it's harder to demonstrate. Still, for me the flight model is ten times more important than the graphics, and I think the game is better off without the kiddies for whom the reverse is true. Of course I understand that HTC's business needs take priority over my wishes, but since we're all airing our own opinions...
Hey that's great, and just like the rest of us, the flight model is what we like as well. But you cant market a flight model. On your comment about younger people. It is not them that I have seen cause the most problems on this forums or even in the game.. Might want to rethink that comment. I have seen just as many 30 year old adolescents on here if not more, then i have seen kids that caused problems.
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I'm sure the update/patch/gameplay debate is not a new one to HTC. I'm sure there will be numerous patch releases and advice handed out and then these Issues will lessen over time. Maybe I'm being too optimistic? I haven't downloaded the new release as experience has shown me there usually is bugs in the first few weeks, however, when I do get round to downloading and I have issues, I will have no hesitation in posting these issues on here. I would even be happy for one of the technology gurus to use remote dial in to fix them. Maybe that should be considered an option for some of the guys on here?
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I'm sure the update/patch/gameplay debate is not a new one to HTC. I'm sure there will be numerous patch releases and advice handed out and then these Issues will lessen over time. Maybe I'm being too optimistic? I haven't downloaded the new release as experience has shown me there usually is bugs in the first few weeks, however, when I do get round to downloading and I have issues, I will have no hesitation in posting these issues on here. I would even be happy for one of the technology gurus to use remote dial in to fix them. Maybe that should be considered an option for some of the guys on here?
I am pretty sure most of us would be happy to help you. Just remember to post your computer specs and be as specfic as you can about your problem.
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Hey Gary,
I can totally understand where you are coming from. I am a disabled Marine, myself. And I do not have a great deal of money to spend on computer parts. My machine is pretty well built because while I was active duty it was always a project in work. However if you where able to play the previous version of this game on your PC with any reliablity then I am 98% certain that within a few patches, some help from us on the boards that have offered it, and little research on your part; Your system will still be able to run this game in a playable manner. We are talking computer power here.
People person preference is another story. Some have been able to play the new version but did not like it. That's fine and they are completely entitled to their opinion. Even stating such is fine as long as it is done in a mature way. The great thing about freedom of speech, you are free to express yourself, and so are we. Crying will not normally be bet with hugs and kisses in an on-line setting. Honestly why should it, when many of us know that it is not that bad, could be worse, and we can probably get you up and running if you so choose to actually do it (not you personally, just example).
So sure there will be those few that very well might be left behind. out of those few, I will venture to say 75% could have stayed if they so chose to (again talking computers). The ones that left for personal preference.. well HTC can not make everyone happy all the time...and no one should expect him to. If you want to leave, leave.. but don't expect a James Brown but drama filled exit to get standing ovations.
My computer can run it. Im just saying that some guys are complaining because thats what they do best. Some others are complaining becasue they can no longer run the game that they love and cant afford an upgrade at the moment. Its the flamming of those guys that I dont think is fair. They are upset bacause they just lost one of their favorite hobbies and cant do anything about it. I just think that some people in the community are being a bit mean to them.
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My computer can run it. Im just saying that some guys are complaining because thats what they do best. Some others are complaining becasue they can no longer run the game that they love and cant afford an upgrade at the moment. Its the flamming of those guys that I dont think is fair. They are upset bacause they just lost one of their favorite hobbies and cant do anything about it. I just think that some people in the community are being a bit mean to them.
Hey, that's fine and imo spot on. If someone posts a legit problem and is searching for answers/feedback/support then that is what they should get. Personally I have not seen a post where someone posted "Guys, I can not play on my systems now. These are the problems/errors I am having. Here are my computer specs. Hope between some patches and some computer tweeks (note I did not say upgrades) that I can get the game playing. If not I will be pretty upset that I will no longer be flying Aces High. Any help/advice you could give would be great. Thanks"
If there was someone that posted a legit problem/concern/informative post and was flamed then your right, it is not warrented or really needed. Flaming people does nothing to help the situation except in the case of public humiliation which does cause people to rethink their actions, or they get upset and it really goes nuts. But in the end, most will think back and do a facepalm at their actions.
No hard feelings, I take nothing on these forums personally. The problem with text is inflection. There is none, so whatever tone you choose to apply to a message will be how you consider the mood of the person making it. Knowing this I read everything the best I can in the Monotone voice of my old math teacher from way back when.
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I'm thinkin if AH used the best graphics there could possibly be--i.e. 1st person shooters-- it would be far more a bandwidth hog and kick all the dialup folks out of the game, as well as many others
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Patience to all, I have been tweaking and adjusting since the update came out. I have just now gotten to a comfortable balance between eye-candy and frame rate. I am confident that we have not seen the last fixemup patch from HTC. It takes time folks, hang in there... :)
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I too get frustrated with PC's becoming obsolete so quickly.
There is a balance, and I think HTC has to find that. While it is not too much to ask for the game to be playable on 5 yr old machines, you can't expect to run it on a 500mhz Celeron from 1998.
With three patches in one week so far, I think they are trying to do that.
The market will decide what is the best balance for them, but I think they will strike the compromise that pleases most of their customers.
If someone can't play the game as it is right now I think it's reasonable that they take a break and not spend the money until they can get what they pay for, but to say you are done forever is premature because the next patch might do it for you, and if you try, you might be able to tweak your system enough to get it going.
I only hope that the game remains playable on dial up, because for some people in more rural areas that, and satellite are their only options regardless of how much money they can spend.
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You must've been in the same class Karnak attended. Not ONCE have I even MENTIONED the game, let alone degraded it, whined about it, etc... My post have been strictly directed toward individuals themselves. I don't know how many times I have to tell you thick-skulled human beings this. It seems I have repeated myself several times in three posts.
Also, I have yet to even mention the letters HTC or the people associated with them. I haven't complained about them, whined to them, etc... like others have. I think they do a fine job, and I have never had any problems other than the ones that I have caused. So, next time you post with a quote from me or one directed to me, don't try to add your own words.
#S#
Banshee7
Please allow this thick-skulled one to explain. I was intentionally doing exactly that about which you remarked.
Perhaps that wasn't clear. It was an attempt at humor - or to bait someone who might unwittingly self-identify as...
oh well, never mind.
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I put a new card in my machine I use for AH. Works ok now. I have not turned off this machine in a long time. Forgot how much work it was turning the crank to start it back up.
Bestbuy has a clearance on VisionTek HD 4850 with 512MB GDDR3 Memory $128.
They have the HD 4650 1GB GDDR3 Memory for $138.
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I put a new card in my machine I use for AH. Works ok now. I have not turned off this machine in a long time. Forgot how much work it was turning the crank to start it back up.
Bestbuy has a clearance on VisionTek HD 4850 with 512MB GDDR3 Memory $128.
They have the HD 4650 1GB GDDR3 Memory for $138.
Shuffler it is typically better to go with the 512mb cards as the memory is generally faster. This is not always the case, but the majority of the time you will find it that way. Not many games require more then 512mb of video memory usage at once.
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It's forced obsolescence from hardware getting better.Trying to create an analogy with the computer industry is really just stupid because there's really nothing analogous with it.
This is a comparison of old and new versions of two games... the one on the left came out in 2000 (9 years ago), the right 2004 I think.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/43/Counterstrike-comparison.jpg)
Really AH 2.14 is still like 3-5 years behind.
Quoted for the truth. One of Sveno's room mates said AH2 now looks like a 4 year old game instead of a 10 year old game. :lol
AH2's moving in the right direction again, I'm a happy chappy. :aok
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if we returned to old game i would cancel subscription, give the people what they want!
Better newer and most of all more Europeans please :x
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After reading this thread ive come to the conclusion that Aces High is a game played by non gamers. There needs to be a board game version. That way everyone could play.
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After reading this thread ive come to the conclusion that Aces High is a game played by non gamers. There needs to be a board game version. That way everyone could play.
Actually, there is a game called "Mustangs & Messerschmitts" out there that is played using 1/72 scale models on poles.
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Actually, there is a game called "Mustangs & Messerschmitts" out there that is played using 1/72 scale models on poles.
And still has better graphics :lol
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See Rule #4
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I'm thinkin if AH used the best graphics there could possibly be--i.e. 1st person shooters-- it would be far more a bandwidth hog and kick all the dialup folks out of the game, as well as many others
The graphics shouldn't affect bandwidth really. Its all done on your own PC by the video card and CPU. The stuff that goes through the internet is the information relating to plane, GV, bullet, ack, ord and ship positions. Also damage info, host messages, player text and voice etc.
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See Rule #4
I'm sure Boss will respond to you, but being a friend of his, I will be the first. You will play hell trying to walk in his shoes. Judging you by the maturity level of your post, he is probably old enough to be your father. Judging your maturity by the content of your post, I'm sure you could learn a few things from him to be successful in life.
One last thing, when I went to school grammer was spelled grammar. Where were you during class?
Fred
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I'm sure Boss will respond to you, but being a friend of his, I will be the first. You will play hell trying to walk in his shoes. Judging you by the maturity level of your post, he is probably old enough to be your father. Judging your maturity by the content of your post, I'm sure you could learn a few things from him to be successful in life.
One last thing, when I went to school grammer was spelled grammar. Where were you during class?
Fred
I don't care who you are, thats funny right there!
:aok
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See Rule #4
See Rule #4
This is not a "GRAMMAR" contest SLICK, it is a informational post to help some people who need it, others who don't need the help or have constructive input can ignore this thread.
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1 Gigabyte then and now:
(http://imgur.com/OBTHR.jpg)
The only thing inevitable is change.
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See Rule #4
This is not a "GRAMMAR" contest SLICK, it is a informational post to help some people who need it, others who don't need the help or have constructive input can ignore this thread.
Indeed, this is not a site about grammar. Regardless, let me offer you this just so you can correct your sig:
"Wherever you go, there you are."
The problem with grammar/spelling errors is that they detract from the message. I offer the correction to help.
I'll fat-finger stuff all the time and thus am reluctant to jump down other's throats.
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Indeed, this is not a site about grammar. Regardless, let me offer you this just so you can correct your sig:
"Wherever you go, there you are."
The problem with grammar/spelling errors is that they detract from the message. I offer the correction to help.
I'll fat-finger stuff all the time and thus am reluctant to jump down other's throats.
It only detracts from the message if you let it.
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The only thing inevitable is change.
But technological advancement
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v113/crackthelens/art/terminator.jpg)
is not always for the better! ;)
(Even if it looks cool...)
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It only detracts from the message if you let it.
Consider the following example:
I wrote a story for the book that was both long-winded and confusing.
You tell me, which was long-winded and confusing - the book or the story?
Or, consider the following nonsense:
That that is is that that isn't is not
morphs to make perfect sense when punctuated:
That that is, is. That that isn't, is not.
I.E., I disagree entirely.
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Consider the following example:
I wrote a story for the book that was both long-winded and confusing.
You tell me, which was long-winded and confusing - the book or the story?
Or, consider the following nonsense:
That that is is that that isn't is not
morphs to make perfect sense when punctuated:
That that is, is. That that isn't, is not.
I.E., I disagree entirely.
You have a valid point on punctuation, but within the topic of this discussion I do not see it confusing or diluting the point of the thread discussion.
The whole point of this thread was to try and think ahead of what your computer system capabilities need to be in the short and long term and also making use of the talented people around us to help get your system on track, that's about it.
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Consider the following example:
I wrote a story for the book that was both long-winded and confusing.
You tell me, which was long-winded and confusing - the book or the story?
Or, consider the following nonsense:
That that is is that that isn't is not
morphs to make perfect sense when punctuated:
That that is, is. That that isn't, is not.
I.E., I disagree entirely.
All it takes sometimes is deductive reasoning.
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All it takes sometimes is deductive reasoning.
Sure, but that's why I used the story example - it's very ambiguous. Was the book or the story long-winded? This next one, however, is much easier:
<bad use of caps>
I helped my uncle jack off a horse.
<correct way>
I helped my Uncle Jack off a horse.
See, if you read the first one, depending on your Uncle, odds are you'd know the intended thought was as expressed in the second.
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I still have a pair of Seagate Cheetah two gig externals SCSI. When i bought them for DV they were the absolute newest,hottest thing available for the fledgeling prosumer DV market. I forget what processor I used for that system but real time video editing was actually achievable. A thing we take for granted now. They cost a ton at the time and were considered very large drives.
And the beat goes on.
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I remember the first time I got 4 megs of ram... and that awesome 200 mb drive 512kb video woot.
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I have been reading the numerous post about how people want the old program back because there systems are inadequate to handle upgrades this game, even with these moderate changes the damand on there existing systems is severe. Well in my opinion if that's where your at now, you have been out of touch with reality, it is inevitable that you will need to upgrade your systems to keep pace just with what going out normal in the computer world let alone Gaming, and what make this game any different then the old Playstation or Nintendo. Most of who have been reading these forums know that it was coming and now are poo pooing the work that HTC has gone through to keep us interested and make more enjoyable to use. So thinking forward is what you need to do, I'm sure they will upgrade this again at some point and put even a higher demand your computer system. As for myself if the thing I want to do requires me to upgrade my computer to do it then I'll do just that if I want to do that thing bad enough, which from what I've seen most of players have upgraded or modified there systems to meet those ends. I think the trick is to build or buy as system that exceeds the requirements at present but will allow you keep up with changes as time moves on, my system was custom built in 2007 and went through this upgrade with very little adjusting.
My final word is that find someone who good at computer modifications and get informed advice on how approach your issues
:salute
Hello.
I'm somewhat confused after reading your post. Are you writing that some people are out of touch with reality because of a game upgrade? Or are you writing that some people should be thinking forward because of what has happened in the computer world?
Your final word " find someone who good at computer modifications and get informed advice on how approach your issues" has nothing to do with the paragraph that precedes it.
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Hello.
I'm somewhat confused after reading your post. Are you writing that some people are out of touch with reality because of a game upgrade? Or are you writing that some people should be thinking forward because of what has happened in the computer world?
Your final word " find someone who good at computer modifications and get informed advice on how approach your issues" has nothing to do with the paragraph that precedes it.
Well first I would to say excuse my typo's in my intial post, in responce to your inquiry, I had said people were out of touch with reality in relation to what is going on in AH and in what has transpired in the outside computer world, I guess I could have worded it a bit better, but it comes down to some of the AH members were barely able function under the old system or at best maxed out and are now shocked and upset that they need to do something about it. If you take a short history lession of just the home console games and how they progressed and became obsolete over the past 10 years is a good indicator that you should always be forward thinking when it is your time to buy or upgrade your system, of course to as much as the current technologies allow.
As far as my last line it only has to do with the preceding paragraph if you found yourself fitting that description then that is what I'm recommending on how to proceed from this point forward.
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If you take a short history lession of just the home console games and how they progressed and became obsolete over the past 10 years
And that's exactly why I don't play console games. It's a racket.
I'm still kicking myself that I threw out my 2600 and all the cartridges sometime in the 90s. I think I had more fun with that console than any other equipment I've owned before or since.
I also like to fire up MAME once in a while and play Golden Age arcade games. There's never been a better arcade-style game than Galaga.
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After reading this thread ive come to the conclusion that Aces High is a game played by non gamers.
I noticed that a while ago while reading threads on here with people complaining about the outdated graphics. They were mostly shot down with the argument of gameplay > graphics. And while I agree with that sentiment, it was really getting bad with this game. You really needed to love dogfighting to be able to appreciate the flight model enough to stick with it. And while that may be a good way to keep the average skill level high, the game would eventually die out. HTC has to keep the graphics somewhat close to modern in order to keep new customers. And really, gaming rigs are cheap now. You can run almost all modern games on 2 year old hardware, nevermind this game. No one here ever seemed to be hard up for cash when people complained about free h2h going kaput (sorry but as a pc gamer I despise monthly fees).
:noid
And for the people with decent hardware who are experiencing problems. All you can do is make sure everything is ok on your end and just wait for a patch. HTC definitely doesn't have the resources to do wide-scale bug testing so they have to use the customer. That's pretty much typical for pc gaming now. I'm sure they're working hard to get everything fixed asap.
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I noticed that a while ago while reading threads on here with people complaining about the outdated graphics. They were mostly shot down with the argument of gameplay > graphics. And while I agree with that sentiment, it was really getting bad with this game. You really needed to love dogfighting to be able to appreciate the flight model enough to stick with it. And while that may be a good way to keep the average skill level high, the game would eventually die out. HTC has to keep the graphics somewhat close to modern in order to keep new customers. And really, gaming rigs are cheap now. You can run almost all modern games on 2 year old hardware, nevermind this game. No one here ever seemed to be hard up for cash when people complained about free h2h going kaput (sorry but as a pc gamer I despise monthly fees).
:noid
And for the people with decent hardware who are experiencing problems. All you can do is make sure everything is ok on your end and just wait for a patch. HTC definitely doesn't have the resources to do wide-scale bug testing so they have to use the customer. That's pretty much typical for pc gaming now. I'm sure they're working hard to get everything fixed asap.
I think the assertion about it being a game for non-gamers is mostly true. It's a game for history buffs who want to experience what it must've been like there and then. My evidence is purely anecdotal.
OTOH, I'm very happy with the new graphics, they heighten the sense of realism.
You raise the question of HTC's operation, implicitly. I know little about the company but assume it to be quite small. Does anyone know? It looks like developers check in and out here.
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To answer the originol question.
1: Because many people have familys to feed and cannot aford a 200$ graphics card or a 700$ gaming computer.
2: Because an estimated (by me) 1/4 of us are under 16 and/or cannot get a good job and the same as above.
3: Because most people don't want to have to shell out 50$-300$ to keep up with their hobby of gaming.
4: Because not all of it is about the cost of up grading; The new version has some issues. Some people are un-happy with the changes for reasons other then cost. Which you must understand is, as you all have told me, bad for business.
5: Because if we all upgrade just due to the compulsive need to shoot cartoon planes in high-def, then, if it went on long enough, we would all stop playing due to unpaid electric bills.
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I also like to fire up MAME once in a while and play Golden Age arcade games. There's never been a better arcade-style game than Galaga.
Asteroids
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To answer the originol question.
1: Because many people have familys to feed and cannot aford a 200$ graphics card or a 700$ gaming computer.
2: Because an estimated (by me) 1/4 of us are under 16 and/or cannot get a good job and the same as above.
3: Because most people don't want to have to shell out 50$-300$ to keep up with their hobby of gaming.
4: Because not all of it is about the cost of up grading; The new version has some issues. Some people are un-happy with the changes for reasons other then cost. Which you must understand is, as you all have told me, bad for business.
5: Because if we all upgrade just due to the compulsive need to shoot cartoon planes in high-def, then, if it went on long enough, we would all stop playing due to unpaid electric bills.
This post is not to ascertain how much money you need to spend, but it does relate to if you are going to spend it then make the most out of what you have, like you said it is a hobby and hobbies can get quite expensive, so maybe know what your getting into and the ultimate monetary needs it requires.
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I am aware of all of that. Infact I have upgraded several times.
But as you all have told me, loosing customers is bad for business. If those of us who can't upgrade cancle our account then you loose some money, hopefully not enough to ruin high tech creations, or to prevent them from maintaining Aces High. But a not as good version is infinitly preferable to seeing "System: servers will shut down in 15 minutes. Thanks for the memories." Sorry to whoever I copied; after a while, names just blur together. And if you say it isn't then, sorry about this, you are a complete moron incapable of adjusting to the situation.