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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: mechanic on June 26, 2010, 01:17:18 PM
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When you got shot down in a way you don't like, which one are you?
examples from one situation:
complainer - All you can do is cherry pick when I'm engaged, you are fighting the wrong way.
excuser - You had a better starting advantage so you didnt really win.
accepter - Nice shot S! [name].
1)Human nature strangely is programed to continue doing what is being complained about the more it is complained about. So if we complain surely all we will do is encourage the enemy to kill us that way again. Complainers are usualy losing their own fights before they even start through looking for ways to claim disadvantage. It's easy to wind up someone who complains at you, it's not even a challenge infact. Complaining has always been a failed enterprise in large societies of different minds.
2)Excuse the kill, find a reason why it was not fair or it was not a true test of our defeated self. All this does is generally makes yourself feel sheepish and feel a need to keep talking. You can recognise an excuser a mile away as 20 minutes after the fight they will still be typing detailed flight AARs onto ch200 to apparently no one.
3)Accept whatever happened and give some fun to the player who killed you by sending them a salute. You might even find that saluting a person who HO'ed you would result in them saying 'Nah, I had to ho, nice flying' or some such. It doesnt have to be all roses and kisses tea party land, just acknowledge the event and move on. Sometimes you wont feel the need to salute a person but with acceptance it is easy to say nothing at all.
Saying nothign at all has a far greater possitive impact on the arena than complaining or making excuses. With acceptance can come humour, from almost any situation. With acceptance, the spitefull rivalries of complaint and excuse become respectfull rivalries with far more to gain in feelings of accomplishment or loss. Acceptance does not mean taking it lying down. It means not wasting time trying to change the past.
Obviously most people will have found themself in all three of those conditions at one time or another. No one is perfect and growing up takes time. One thing is sure though, the older we get the easier acceptance becomes, of all things. Everyone is different and three catagories does not cover human psychology at all. But it is a basic mould of three behaviour patterns that dominate any hot blooded society.So what are ya, complainer, excuser or accepter?
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Nice post batfink. <S>
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Nice post!
I'll add a 4th:
Say nothing on 200 but rant for 10 minutes on Vox. :)
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What does it mean to be shot down?
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I always strive to send a "G/K" on 200.
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I am doing all i can to end this problem. I launched my "Bip's toolshedding AH world tour" last night. I have a few opening acts. We are working hard on this issue.
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I think most of us are all 3. Very rare are the ones that always accept a death with a smile. Right now I can only think of Batfink, CorkyJr and 999000 that are absolute gentlemen at all times. I'm sure there's a ton more model players out there, but these 3 standout the most. Oh and Ghosth is on my gentlemen list also.
Great post Batty, I'll be thinking about my behavior tonight because of this post. :salute
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I think most of us are all 3. Very rare are the ones that always accept a death with a smile. Right now I can only think of Batfink, CorkyJr and 999000 that are absolute gentlemen at all times. I'm sure there's a ton more model players out there, but these 3 standout the most. Oh and Ghosth is on my gentlemen list also.
Great post Batty, I'll be thinking about my behavior tonight because of this post. :salute
especially when A spitfire driver kills you, salute him and be on your way :aok
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especially when A spitfire driver kills you, salute him and be on your way :aok
:lol Yes Bruv.
I may need a 12 step program to do that though :neener:
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Screw being a nice guy, If someone jumps me when Im already 3v1 and steals their kill away....Im going to call him a tard. If it was a good kill well then of course <S>
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Don't tune 200, but give squaddies an earful sometimes. :D
Complain about tag team BnZers, alt monkeys, runners and 5 ENY junkies.
Excuse myself that some or all of the above had something to do with my constant obliteration.
Salute when I get in a good 1vs1 or get beaten by someone who was at a disadvantage.
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3)Accept whatever happened and give some fun to the player who killed you by sending them a salute.
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Excellent, and I applaude your choice of words, "GIVE THEM SOME FUN"".
Very nice post, I try to be civil at all times, if I start to type something out that is foolish and derragatory alot of times I will log instead, let the mad fade, smile and log back in.
It's great seeing posts already where guys are saying that they show respect only when they think it has been a fair fight. WTG you guys, choose to be civil only when you choose to for whatever reason you can think of, bring everyone down to your level and I'm sure it will be so much more fun for everyone.
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Here's another one (well at least for me);
4.) Be angry with yourself that you did something (either on purpose or by mistake) you knew was wrong, and died. This does not have anything to do with the other player, it's just that you are frustrated by your own performance.
Now this can either be good or a bad depending on how you react afterwords, for me this provides motivation to keep working at getting better. However, I have been around people at times (including my self) who are having difficulty taking that frustration and using it to get better. This usually leads to less satisfaction in the game, and can promote increased usage of #1 or #2. That's when it's really important to step back and focus on being #3, or take a break from the game until you can be a #3 again.
<S> nice post Bat
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I always give a salute and if I get killed then it is my fault no one elses.
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I have learned over the years that patience will usually prevent #1 and #2 from even being an issue.... But the one thing I tell myself most of all no matter what happens ITS A GAME and I play it that way.
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My joystick, inferior view system and inferior SA is what kills me. :(
#4
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Complain right after. Then seconds later accepter. I look to what I did wrong. I rarely complain on 200 keep it to myself.
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(4) "stay right there,name,I'll be right back.
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Good post Bat :cheers:
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Good post Bat :cheers:
Agree :aok
Was funny, yesterday saw a Rook low being chased by two ponies at about 6k. I came in from 8k in a spit. One turned back to me,tried to go vertical, and blew up. Second one continued to chase other Rook. I also sent him down. First guy said nothing. Second guy says, "Nice pick". lol I said. "Pick? yea right,lol ". Good example of your topic.
<S> Bat
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Definitely a great post.. I'm an acceptor.. I always assume I'm up against someone better than me and I usually am.. Every death is a lesson..
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squad vox is for the rants, I normally dont say anything on 200 unless its just a comeback to the chest pumping of another easy kill on me. Squad vox is another story. The ones that complain about the picks/run/ blah blah blah, are really just compliments to pwning them. What I hate are the chest pumping PMs by someone that cant handle victory. If you/I get killed its your/my fault, no matter what is thought or said in the heat of the moment. Suck it up and grab another plane. They are free.
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Hmm we have a logic problem here.
Its part of the game and ok to fly anyway you want "fly your way" lets not act like we want anyone to "fly our way" or fly with a general standard.
Yet there is one way that is better than the rest to respond to it. Hey text the way I think is best.
I say the emperor is naked.
I say whether we can agree on it or not there is a "right" way to do both. Humans do have built in standards to what is right fair just and the like.
Your not going to <S> a tard for pickpocketing your wallet. Are you. After all he is living life the way he wants too.
You are asserting this idea when you claim there is a better way to respond to someones behavior in the game.
The rule set should apply to the guy that is "flying the way he wants to."
I dont get it. We can improve the game play by better responses on the text buffer, "but" it is acceptable to fly anyway you want.
It is possible to fly any half witted way a player wants to. Yes. Well almost that is why the have kill shooter on and the like. Because there is a standard the raises the level of play for most. Is it acceptable. NO> and I will choose to let the other person know it.
All this amounts to is <S> someone for possible bad behavior.
IF there is a right way or a standard to use the text buffer. Then the same applies to how we engage the other players in the arenas by how we fly.
The problem is there is no way to enforce it nor should there be by the players. Because there is no formal agreement on right play.
Yet the TEXT buffer is the only way to let someone know hey that is possible but its not acceptable.
I will text someone when "I" think it should be done. A to encourage what I think is a better way. It cant stop anyone from playing their way it might encourage them the "raise the level of play for all" though.
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2) Excuser.
I usually fly a Yak which is a higher ENY number than most of the aircraft in AH. So when I get shot down its only because they were using an uber plane compared to me.
But I keep my excuses to myself, not in the habit of sending messages and I've never spent one second on channel 200.
That said, I'm definitely a #2.
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5) Give <S> or say nothing, however scream at your monitor and possibly break something.... :O
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I simply find it amazing how much more lame behavior surfaces through anonymity. I've got nothing to worry about if the best my opponent can do is insult me.
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5) Give <S> or say nothing, however scream at your monitor and possibly break something.... :O
it happens
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Hmm we have a logic problem here.
Its part of the game and ok to fly anyway you want "fly your way" lets not act like we want anyone to "fly our way" or fly with a general standard.
Yet there is one way that is better than the rest to respond to it. Hey text the way I think is best.
I say the emperor is naked.
I say whether we can agree on it or not there is a "right" way to do both. Humans do have built in standards to what is right fair just and the like.
Your not going to <S> a tard for pickpocketing your wallet. Are you. After all he is living life the way he wants too.
You are asserting this idea when you claim there is a better way to respond to someones behavior in the game.
The rule set should apply to the guy that is "flying the way he wants to."
I dont get it. We can improve the game play by better responses on the text buffer, "but" it is acceptable to fly anyway you want.
It is possible to fly any half witted way a player wants to. Yes. Well almost that is why the have kill shooter on and the like. Because there is a standard the raises the level of play for most. Is it acceptable. NO> and I will choose to let the other person know it.
All this amounts to is <S> someone for possible bad behavior.
IF there is a right way or a standard to use the text buffer. Then the same applies to how we engage the other players in the arenas by how we fly.
The problem is there is no way to enforce it nor should there be by the players. Because there is no formal agreement on right play.
Yet the TEXT buffer is the only way to let someone know hey that is possible but its not acceptable.
I will text someone when "I" think it should be done. A to encourage what I think is a better way. It cant stop anyone from playing their way it might encourage them the "raise the level of play for all" though.
Sonic's post is a perfect example of "typical" AH arena mentality. Regardless of how fundamentally retarded he's going to appear, he spends x amount of time typing out a response that illustrates his cranial inadequacy for all who read it.
No one said you should not express your displeasure at a personally defined act of "lame behavior", however, the message Bagrat is passing on is that Aces High is just a game and no amount of time wasted typing ridiculous diatribes that flash across the text buffer does anything more than illustrate a persons under developed cranium for all to see. It is a game and not one person playing it can remember a time when personally defined "lame behavior" did not occur within the environment of the game. Nor can they remember a time when someone did not visually express their displeasure in the form of text buffer rants within the game. What is oft forgotten in the full cycle of a single day, is that not one single event in Aces High is going to make a difference to anyone in or out of the game whose IQ is higher than their shoe size.
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It's great seeing posts already where guys are saying that they show respect only when they think it has been a fair fight. WTG you guys, choose to be civil only when you choose to for whatever reason you can think of, bring everyone down to your level and I'm sure it will be so much more fun for everyone.
If someone has alt advantage, E advantage, plane advantage and #s advantage - killing you gets them a salute? A salute should be earned for a good fight, not because they won the lottery of a "mine, mine mine" feeding frenzy or bore and zoomed you to death with a couple of 51s. I don't send a salute for such things. There are few "fair" fights in the MAs but some people will give you a chance for one. Those pilots will get a salute every time.
Had an awesome fight against RufLeak last night. His P-39D swooped in on my P-39D ( I know what are the odds? :O) and we had a great back and forth fight. I was beaten but didn't hesitate to give a salute for such a fun fight. Wish I had film of it. :(
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I don't tune 200 but if by chance I've shot you down and you're "P'd" off just keep in mind it likely only happened by mistake and no doubt had everything to do with my complete lack of skill! :banana: :banana: :banana:
....cheers eh! :D
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Not perfect but close. :D The way I feel is that if I get shot down either salute them or say nothing at all. If I am peeved or upset about something that is where my squad comes in. Who else to complain to about everyone and everything you dislike. On TS they are the only ones to know. Thats what friends are for.
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Not perfect but close. :D The way I feel is that if I get shot down either salute them or say nothing at all. If I am peeved or upset about something that is where my squad comes in. Who else to complain to about everyone and everything you dislike. On TS they are the only ones to know. Thats what friends are for.
+1 :aok me too.. The "you HO'd me" comments on 200 are pretty funny.. I'm a firm believer that to get HO'd, you, yourself are lined up for it and were thinking about it at least.. And yes, I HO.... More often than I'd like to admit.. But in a true 1v1 I avoid it.. 2 v1 or more, if you cross my sights from any angle I'm pulling the trigger.. After one or two turns with multiples my survival chances get way to low.. :t
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I'm a massive complainer, excuser and insulter. :mad:
I just don't type it out on 200. All staying on this side of the screen ;)
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So what are ya, complainer, excuser or accepter?
All of the above, depending on time of the month.
The ideal is the high road, but I am not without fault.
Had an awesome fight against RufLeak last night. His P-39D swooped in on my P-39D ( I know what are the odds? :O) and we had a great back and forth fight. I was beaten but didn't hesitate to give a salute for such a fun fight. Wish I had film of it. :(
:salute A reaffirming fight, for sure. No film here, either.
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Who are you and what have you done with Fatbink?
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I seem to find myself saying "nice shot" a lot when I get a chance to fly. I think it has to do with my cartoon plane exploding so often :)
As long as I'm not really dying and planes are free, it doesn't really matter in the end. I just can't get too worked up about it.
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I seem to find myself saying "nice shot" a lot when I get a chance to fly. I think it has to do with my cartoon plane exploding so often :)
As long as I'm not really dying and planes are free, it doesn't really matter in the end. I just can't get too worked up about it.
Oh quit whining about not whining :D
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Normally I blame myself, e.g. poor SA, bad E management, stupid move #1, stupid move #2. :furious
Not like I'm a saint or Guppy :angel: or anything there are times when I get very frustrated. Like when you just go wheels up and you are climbing out trying too eat a sandwich and that noe horde shows up. Then I'm pissin and moanin about the skilless dweeb cherry pickin tards. :cry
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quite a bit of what you've posted in the op, is a very large part of why i've not been seen in the arenas for a few months.
normally, i don't let anything on a computer, or other cartoon pile-its, or cartoon airplanes, or cartoon collisions, etc etc etc bother me.
but....for whatever reason, it got to the point, where virtually everything was bothering me, and i was starting to become one of the loudmouthed schmucks on 200.
for this reason, i simply silently disappeared for a bit.
i do have to admit, that i've been getting a bit of the itch again, and a certain local pile-it stopping by my shop, checking on me, shooting the bull, and bringing me pepsi, has helped get me wanting back. won't be this weekend.....but soon.
good post btw. :aok
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2) Excuser.
I usually fly a Yak which is a higher ENY number than most of the aircraft in AH. So when I get shot down its only because they were using an uber plane compared to me.
But I keep my excuses to myself, not in the habit of sending messages and I've never spent one second on channel 200.
That said, I'm definitely a #2.
hehe, S! Boilerdown, for such an honest reply. I think this would put you in the acceptance catagory as you don't inflict it on others.
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This thread isnt meant to make people really nice to each other, just to highlight that complaint and excuse wont chance what happened.
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I am all 3. :rofl I salute the guy before my chute opens even, hoping that he looses SA while typing his response and fails to land my kill :D Just to make sure, I try to keep him engaged on Ch. 200 for as long as possible describing my critical error (meanwhile on country channel I am broadcasting Grizz and Kappa's location :devil ).
After all ... I am the geek that sits on the runway for 15 minutes waiting for you to loose your pilot wound battle so I can then land your kill :neener:
Nice post Mechanic :aok
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I feel there's a direct correlation between the amount of time a person plays this game and weather they fall into the A, B, or C type of responder.
The exception - quite a few of the really good players, who play a lot, will give a "C" type of response to being shot down.
mir
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Sonic's post is a perfect example of "typical" AH arena mentality. Regardless of how fundamentally retarded he's going to appear, he spends x amount of time typing out a response that illustrates his cranial inadequacy for all who read it.
and your reply is a perfect example of a typical AH forum mentality, which dictates that not only do you have to make your point, but you feel obliged to chuck in an ad-hominem attack.
see how I managed to make my point there without feeling the need to personally insult you?
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I make an effort to refrain from hitting "Enter" when I get ticked off, but I have my moments. My big AH pet peeve is people who will not even make an attempt to back it up but will not shut up. That will occasionally produce a comment or two from me.
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:rofl
If only human behaviour were this simple to categorize in this game. Denial would be the very first one in the list.
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I do the same thing Caption Kirk when Kaun stranded him inside a planet from the movie The Wrath of Kaun.
KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN NNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But using the person's call sign instead.
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(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/khan.jpg)
SSSSHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV!!!! :furious
Keep your F4U away from me or I will file a restraining order. :P
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F4U
you know what that sounds like :D
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I am all 3. :rofl I salute the guy before my chute opens even, hoping that he looses SA while typing his response and fails to land my kill :D Just to make sure, I try to keep him engaged on Ch. 200 for as long as possible describing my critical error (meanwhile on country channel I am broadcasting Grizz and Kappa's location :devil ).
After all ... I am the geek that sits on the runway for 15 minutes waiting for you to loose your pilot wound battle so I can then land your kill :neener:
Nice post Mechanic :aok
And the other night in the AvA I thought you were just a real nice guy. Boy Howdy see if I give you the time of day before I shoot you in you chute. Luv ya man.
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jaeger kills don't count so it doesn't matter if they shoot me down or not! yes, ive convinced myself of this! :D
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#3
I'll give a <S> if it was a good fight.
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and your reply is a perfect example of a typical AH forum mentality, which dictates that not only do you have to make your point, but you feel obliged to chuck in an ad-hominem attack.
see how I managed to make my point there without feeling the need to personally insult you?
LOL... nice shot. But you did use an ad hominem tu quoque as well as a personal insult.
Furthermore I don't believe "typical AH forum mentality" is as you illustrated. I nearly made the same error when typing my dig at Sonicblu.
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I don't know Bat ... 1 & 2 are the same animal from what I can see.
Anyone, who after losing a fight, feels the need to come onto 200 and piss and moan (excuse/complain) for all the world to see screams ... "I know I suck (or sucked at that moment) but I can't accept that fact and I need to find blame elsewhere so that I don't feel inferior" ... and the "inferiority" is usually in their own mind. They must think that they guy that just killed them is going to broadcast over 200 ... "Hey I just killed s0&s0 and HE SUCKS" ... before they can get their "excuse" broadcast for all to see.
Here is a perfect example from the "Turny birdys...." thread ...
My experience is:
being set upon by a typhoon, pony, k4, 38 and a hurricane or brewster. You can't extend or run for that matter, vertical is out (usually for me) so you start a few turns to make the faster aircraft overshoot and try to cut corners for advantage. Just as you think you may have a chance to turn the 2 or 3v1 in your favor here comes the brewster... now you're proper *#$ed. He catches you mid turn and poof, back to the tower. The brewster pilot thinks he's gods gift to pixel pilot land cause he's killed a much lower eny aircraft and youre half a second from a monitor replacement trip :cry
Did the Brewster pilot come on 200 and proclaim that he was "god's gift" or was it only in Jappa's mind and that is what causes his angst ?
I can't tell you how many times I have killed people with ease and never once did I sit back in my chair and proclaim loudly (either internally or externally) ... "WOW ... that guy just plain sucks" ... it's usually ... "WOW ... that guy must be new, I hope he gets back up and tries again and this time I will let the fight progress so he can get some good stick time going round and round".
I have been around now for 8 years, and I have done my fair share of killing, and I have also done my fair share of dying and I can say that I have NEVER complained/moaned on 200 about getting killed.
I have no one to blame but myself.
1 v 1 ... I blew the opening, I blew a subsequent merge, I took a poor shot and left my knickers down 'round my ankles ... etc
1 v multi ... I made the decision to mix it up, my SA failed, I picked the wrong kill sequence, I didn't kill my target fast enough ... etc.
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S! Slap, you were always one of the guys leading a great example how to enjoy the game.
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S! Slap, you were always one of the guys leading a great example how to enjoy the game.
... as are you <<S>>
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I can't tell you how many times I have killed people with ease and never once did I sit back in my chair and proclaim loudly (either internally or externally) ... "WOW ... that guy just plain sucks" ... it's usually ... "WOW ... that guy must be new, I hope he gets back up and tries again and this time I will let the fight progress so he can get some good stick time going round and round".
That's exactly what happened to me yesterday, I shot down a new guy and felt bad about it.
I engaged him expecting a solid response since he was alone and thought he would be a more experienced pilot, I shot him down quickly and for that moment actually felt terrible about it, he didn't have a chance. He obviously was new, and to be honest with you, probably had more man sack than most to be out by himself far from anyone to help him, I had alot of respect for him for that and to at least be trying to learn something on his own.
We went at it several more times and chased him around without shooting him, I got a <S> and hopefully a future friend and the satisfaction that one day he can have the confidence to hold his own.
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I think most of us eventually get around to step 3: Acceptance, it's just a matter of how long it takes us to get there. :) It's either step 3: Acceptance, or Step 3: Cancel account, isn't it?
For me, squad vox occasionally gets an earful, the wife's jumped more than once when someone made me do something particularly stupid, but generally I get to the accept part of it within seconds.
Nobody forces me to go in at lower alt, or outnumbered, or in an area where I know people who manhandle me are operating. It all comes down to the choices I make cause me to get killed.
I generally don't speak on 200 or PMs a lot, as I rarely get into 1V1s. I much prefer to be in a group looking to fight another group. Usually when I get a kill, I'm too busy to put out a <S> as there's usually another plane inbound to me.
Wiley.
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That's exactly what happened to me yesterday, I shot down a new guy and felt bad about it.
I engaged him expecting a solid response since he was alone and thought he would be a more experienced pilot, I shot him down quickly and for that moment actually felt terrible about it, he didn't have a chance. He obviously was new, and to be honest with you, probably had more man sack than most to be out by himself far from anyone to help him, I had alot of respect for him for that and to at least be trying to learn something on his own.
We went at it several more times and chased him around without shooting him, I got a <S> and hopefully a future friend and the satisfaction that one day he can have the confidence to hold his own.
BINGO ... GIVE THIS MAN A CIGAR !!!
I had a similar experience years ago with a new guy ... his callsign ... Dedalos.
Yeah ... he is still a jerk, but he sure can fight ... ;)
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I think most of us eventually get around to step 3: Acceptance, it's just a matter of how long it takes us to get there. :) It's either step 3: Acceptance, or Step 3: Cancel account, isn't it?
Good point ... there are some that can progress from 1/2 to 3 ... and then are are some that never will.
"Excuses" didn't fly with my Dad, with him being a member of the "Long Gray Line".
I learned at a very young age that it's never the fault of someone else or something that you failed ... the blame lies solely with you and usually due to a lack of effort.
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I always give a salute and if I get killed then it is my fault no one elses.
I Have Respect For Those That Tell Me I Lost The Fight When I Did "X". Greater Respect When They Tell Me You Should've Done This When I Done That! When They Make Me Better...They Have To Get Better....
Green Out!
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I always give a Salute to a good and skilful kill or pilot. But there are some who revel in the fact that they get all this bad attention it like they happy they Pi****G in your beer from the other side of the world i can deffently name some like DozyDuck. He dives down from 25,000 feet and will either vultch you or Boom n Zoom you when you already trying to deal with 3 others from his side :huh :huh There's as i say no fun and skill in it. And it annoys me that these guys will sweet talk the new players into joining their squad's. And thus the new player that was a good turn fighter is now an excellenty retard cos he now has been shown the easy way to kill and get his or her score's up :(
I am disappointed by this thus i petition HiTech Creations to start a booming and zoomer arena and they can all go in there and boom an zoom computer controlled aircraft :) :salute :salute :salute All Skilled Turn fighter Pilots In Ace's :salute :salute :salute :salute
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From what I've seen, the grieving process accurately describes the nature of Aces High.
1-Denial- "He can't shoot me down, he is in a (insert plane name here) and he is far too slow."
2-Anger-"HOW DID HE DO THAT? Damn HACKS in this game!"
3-Bargaining- "If you let me find him when I re-up, let me pick him for revenge. Just this once, I promise."
4-Depression- "Damn it! I died again and I had alt this time. I'm not any good..."
5-Acceptance "My head isn't in the game, I'm logging out."
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Im the 4th kind..the ignorer. If the fight was good I will most always salute. If it was one of the other types of fights I usually just reup.
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I'm not sure where I stand.
I rarely give the first salute. Reason is, in the past when I send one, I usually didn't get an acknowledgment or I ended up getting called various school yard names on 200 or by PM. I always return a salute, win or loose when I see that I received one, but I usually don't send one first unless I know the player.
I know I shouldn't be that way, but you can only beat a horse so many times. :D
Fred
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Im the 4th kind..the ignorer. If the fight was good I will most always salute. If it was one of the other types of fights I usually just reup.
That's why I didn't salute you when you got me a few times last week. :lol
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When you got shot down in a way you don't like, which one are you?
examples from one situation:
complainer - All you can do is cherry pick when I'm engaged, you are fighting the wrong way.
excuser - You had a better starting advantage so you didnt really win.
accepter - Nice shot S! [name].
All three can be also viewed as true statements if they describe what happened. You forgot about the human nature to deny that what was said was a true statement when one knows they did something wrong.
BTW, without the "you are fighting the wrong way" add on, the first one describes most aces in this game. What is the point of the post? I call someone a picker it is not a complain. It is because he is a picker. Why do they get so defensive about it?
Here is the right way:
guy engaged ---> Nice pick
picker ---> Thank you! Nice explosion.
See? just as we want the guy to admit a nice shot, it would be nice for a picker to admin that it was a nice pick, instead of whining about how he is not going to fly "my" way :P
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You're totaly right Ded. If it doesnt cause an drama on ch200 then you are accepting it. One comment can be acceptance. A complaint or excuse will last much longer.
And you're right about all three being true about one situation, that's part of the point of the thread, three ways it could be handled.
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From what I've seen, the grieving process accurately describes the nature of Aces High.
1-Denial- "He can't shoot me down, he is in a (insert plane name here) and he is far too slow."
2-Anger-"HOW DID HE DO THAT? Damn HACKS in this game!"
3-Bargaining- "If you let me find him when I re-up, let me pick him for revenge. Just this once, I promise."
4-Depression- "Damn it! I died again and I had alt this time. I'm not any good..."
5-Acceptance "My head isn't in the game, I'm logging out."
You've hacked my webcam, haven't you?! :noid
Wiley.
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3)Accept whatever happened and give some fun to the player who killed you by sending them a salute. You might even find that saluting a person who HO'ed you would result in them saying 'Nah, I had to ho, nice flying' or some such. It doesnt have to be all roses and kisses tea party land, just acknowledge the event and move on. Sometimes you wont feel the need to salute a person but with acceptance it is easy to say nothing at all.
Saying nothign at all has a far greater possitive impact on the arena than complaining or making excuses. With acceptance can come humour, from almost any situation. With acceptance, the spitefull rivalries of complaint and excuse become respectfull rivalries with far more to gain in feelings of accomplishment or loss. Acceptance does not mean taking it lying down. It means not wasting time trying to change the past.
What is your definition of a positive impact? Skyrock said if someone had not called him out about being a picktard he would still be a picktard. So for him its what gave him the drive to become one of the best dogfighters in the game.
I have in game experiences that are the same way. Complaint can be empowering. So to answer your question i encourage complaint and i complain often.
"When the student is ready the teacher will appear" ---unknown
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Sonic's post is a perfect example of "typical" AH arena mentality. Regardless of how fundamentally retarded he's going to appear, he spends x amount of time typing out a response that illustrates his cranial inadequacy for all who read it.
No one said you should not express your displeasure at a personally defined act of "lame behavior", however, the message Bagrat is passing on is that Aces High is just a game and no amount of time wasted typing ridiculous diatribes that flash across the text buffer does anything more than illustrate a persons under developed cranium for all to see. It is a game and not one person playing it can remember a time when personally defined "lame behavior" did not occur within the environment of the game. Nor can they remember a time when someone did not visually express their displeasure in the form of text buffer rants within the game. What is oft forgotten in the full cycle of a single day, is that not one single event in Aces High is going to make a difference to anyone in or out of the game whose IQ is higher than their shoe size.
Your post proves my point. You just used what you claim you shouldn't, to make your point. (a ridiculous diatribe ) Then you try to reframe what I said.
Holmes took you to the wood shed, you should have known better, but at least I don't have to do it.
I never said type ditribes across the screen. Nice try at a reframe.
We are in agreement >No one said you should not express your displeasure at a personally defined act of "lame behavior".
Here is where your screed falls short.
the message Bagrat( I think you mean Batfink ) is passing on is that Aces High is just a game
We agree on the first part.
and no amount of time wasted typing ridiculous diatribes that flash across the text buffer does anything more than illustrate a persons under developed cranium for all to see.
Do you realize you just defined yourself....... You must not have a IQ higher than your shoe size. ( see your diatribe above )
It is a game and not one person playing it can remember a time when personally defined "lame behavior" did not occur within the environment of the game. Nor can they remember a time when someone did not visually express their displeasure in the form of text buffer rants within the game. What is oft forgotten in the full cycle of a single day, is that not one single event in Aces High is going to make a difference to anyone in or out of the game whose IQ is higher than their shoe size.
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This is what happens when you make sloppy over-generalizations. ( NOT ONE PERSON ) that does include you ya know. Oh wait here is the hidden disclaimer. I'm not one of those people because I can identify what the rest of you forget in the cycle of a singe day.
is that not one single event in Aces High is going to make a difference to anyone in or out of the game whose IQ is higher than their shoe size.
Of course It won't make any difference to someone whose IQ is higher than there shoe size. AND??????? That is a truthful statement. So what?
Not everyone playing the game has a low IQ that means that I will get through to few by> express your displeasure at a personally defined act of "lame behavior".
I would still be hoing if someone had not typed on the text buffer that it was frowned upon.
I would still be a picktard if someone hadn't typed on the the text buffer that there are better ways to fly.
I would still be clearing someone 12 o'clock if someone hadn't typed on the text buffer hey please don't do that.
Oh and you missed the point completely. Go read it again it may help.
My point is not about I got shot down in a one vs one. I always <S> the other player in a 1 v 1.
I will not <S> someone that picks the fight or hoes me in the face when it is already 2 or more vs 1.
I will <S> you on your post though it was the poorest diatribe I have ever seen. Next time keep within the frame of the argument.
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I do complain sometimes when I get shot usually when I get egged or a spixteen kills me it kinda annoys me but, I try to keep my mouth shut.
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I will take a stand here.
<-------- In the back alley of the big boards laughing at all these discussion / particopinion threads that are short of common sense.
:headscratch: :headscratch: :headscratch:
whatever...
froger
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and your reply is a perfect example of a typical AH forum mentality, which dictates that not only do you have to make your point, but you feel obliged to chuck in an ad-hominem attack.
see how I managed to make my point there without feeling the need to personally insult you?
You're mean.
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You're totaly right Ded. If it doesnt cause an drama on ch200 then you are accepting it. One comment can be acceptance. A complaint or excuse will last much longer.
And you're right about all three being true about one situation, that's part of the point of the thread, three ways it could be handled.
You also left out the part where it is just fun to poke the other guy a little. Stang for example likes being poked. Literaly :O
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Option #4-EXPLAIN-"I did this and he did this. Next time I will do this when does this, and the bastage will die." Re-up and make it so.
When you got shot down in a way you don't like, which one are you?
examples from one situation:
complainer - All you can do is cherry pick when I'm engaged, you are fighting the wrong way.
excuser - You had a better starting advantage so you didnt really win.
accepter - Nice shot S! [name].
1)Human nature strangely is programed to continue doing what is being complained about the more it is complained about. So if we complain surely all we will do is encourage the enemy to kill us that way again. Complainers are usualy losing their own fights before they even start through looking for ways to claim disadvantage. It's easy to wind up someone who complains at you, it's not even a challenge infact. Complaining has always been a failed enterprise in large societies of different minds.
2)Excuse the kill, find a reason why it was not fair or it was not a true test of our defeated self. All this does is generally makes yourself feel sheepish and feel a need to keep talking. You can recognise an excuser a mile away as 20 minutes after the fight they will still be typing detailed flight AARs onto ch200 to apparently no one.
3)Accept whatever happened and give some fun to the player who killed you by sending them a salute. You might even find that saluting a person who HO'ed you would result in them saying 'Nah, I had to ho, nice flying' or some such. It doesnt have to be all roses and kisses tea party land, just acknowledge the event and move on. Sometimes you wont feel the need to salute a person but with acceptance it is easy to say nothing at all.
Saying nothign at all has a far greater possitive impact on the arena than complaining or making excuses. With acceptance can come humour, from almost any situation. With acceptance, the spitefull rivalries of complaint and excuse become respectfull rivalries with far more to gain in feelings of accomplishment or loss. Acceptance does not mean taking it lying down. It means not wasting time trying to change the past.
Obviously most people will have found themself in all three of those conditions at one time or another. No one is perfect and growing up takes time. One thing is sure though, the older we get the easier acceptance becomes, of all things. Everyone is different and three catagories does not cover human psychology at all. But it is a basic mould of three behaviour patterns that dominate any hot blooded society.So what are ya, complainer, excuser or accepter?
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What is your definition of a positive impact? Skyrock said if someone had not called him out about being a picktard he would still be a picktard. So for him its what gave him the drive to become one of the best dogfighters in the game.
This is true, and the game needs its Skyrock's and Shane's. The problem is there is a whole gaggle of people who have no business acting like that.
Con: Nice pick! Can't you even 1 on 1?
Me: Sure, let's go to the DA
Con: No. The DA is for losers.
:rolleyes:
Hint hint - if you won't accept someone's offer of a guaranteed 1v1, don't complain when you don't get one in the MA!
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Screw being a nice guy, If someone jumps me when Im already 3v1 and steals their kill away....Im going to call him a tard. If it was a good kill well then of course <S>
Hmmm...air war simulation (game)...There are no ROE's that I am aware of. Sounds like the 3v1 turned into a 4v1. One must always have SA. That is why I "die" so often. Get focused on the attack, don't look around, bang! Tracers flying past the canopy...from where?
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You also left out the part where it is just fun to poke the other guy a little. Stang for example likes being poked. Literaly :O
I did mention it was easy to wind someone who is complaining up.
As to Stang and poking, I'm not even gunna go there :noid
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I did mention it was easy to wind someone who is complaining up.
As to Stang and poking, I'm not even gunna go there :noid
Can't blame ya :lol
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I am generally an "acceptor" I know I will always be horded, (I fly for that) have since the beginning of my AH career, if I happen to fight before I get to the horde and lose I will always give a <S>
but, I cant stand when I get killed by someone in the horde and they "Brag" about killing Me, recently I had someone saying they "owned" me :rofl ya 5vs1, I says to him well lets DA or meet me here in MA..... of course they would do nether, at this point I will rip him apart verbally, yup I do let it out once in awhile, I know I should not but....
I actually had someone say to me "You Suck, all you can do is fight the horde" :O I bout fell out of my chair laughing so hard :rofl
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This is true, and the game needs its Skyrock's and Shane's. The problem is there is a whole gaggle of people who have no business acting like that.
Con: Nice pick! Can't you even 1 on 1?
Me: Sure, let's go to the DA
Con: No. The DA is for losers.
:rolleyes:
Hint hint - if you won't accept someone's offer of a guaranteed 1v1, don't complain when you don't get one in the MA!
Its interesting to me that its not acceptable to talk the way you want but it is to fly any way you want. The premise is implied and its flawed. If there is an acceptable way to talk is there not an acceptable way to fly? How can you claim rules for speech and not rules for flying? Speech is nothing more than a representational system in this case of flying.
So there are rules for how you represent what did happen ,but not for what did happened? :huh
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http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,277368.0.html
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Its interesting to me that its not acceptable to talk the way you want but it is to fly any way you want. The premise is implied and its flawed. If there is an acceptable way to talk is there not an acceptable way to fly? How can you claim rules for speech and not rules for flying? Speech is nothing more than a representational system in this case of flying.
So there are rules for how you represent what did happen ,but not for what did happened? :huh
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No man, you missunderstood my original premis. There are no rules to how you fly or how you talk. But there are outcomes we can predict from either an A, B or C reaction. The point is not even about what you say, you could say 'nice pick' and then leave it (though for every Skyrock out there there are fifty people who just squelch you in that situation). That's still accepting the outcome rather than complaining or excusing.
I certainly would not attempt to think I was worthy to set 'rules' for how anyone else speaks or flys. Just highlighting the likely results of three ways to take a situation. More clear now?
S!
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Even if one does get cherry picked, ho'ed, gangded and vulched the game becomes alot more fun if you just dont care.
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Personally I just fly, at the end of the day it's just a game to be played for your excitement....is it not?
Just fly and have fun doing it is what I say and project. :airplane:
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Even if one does get cherry picked, ho'ed, gangded and vulched the game becomes alot more fun if you just dont care.
But why is it OK for the offender to care that he was called out? Maybe the game would be better if we could all just take a little bit smack talk?
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Maybe you're right. So, by all means, call people out..... get annoyed with yourself for dying.... and broadcast it to the arena. :neener:
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"No one is perfect and growing up takes time."
Yo Bat , You really had me going there. You tagged Acceptance as positive with the whole growing up thing.
If their are no rules then they all have to be neutral , not good or bad as they dont exist as rules.
I understand your premise now. I dont think you can get from here to there.
How do you know when to accept the outcome with out a set of rules?
Is Acceptance not a rule?
If you have chosen what is positive you must have a rule for it.
I do enjoy the conversation. We can't have this conversation with out complaint (and I'm using the word with implied positive meaning)
I enjoy the deep structure conversations. I'm guessing this wont' go there. Maybe it would make a good PM at some point.
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I usually show the slightest hint of anger after getting shot down in some dumb way, but then I go afk and eat something. :D
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Its interesting to me that its not acceptable to talk the way you want but it is to fly any way you want. The premise is implied and its flawed. If there is an acceptable way to talk is there not an acceptable way to fly? How can you claim rules for speech and not rules for flying? Speech is nothing more than a representational system in this case of flying.
So there are rules for how you represent what did happen ,but not for what did happened? :huh
Let me reiterate:
If you say "I'm thirsty" and someone hands you a glass of water, you should either drink it, or shut up :aok
If you won't drink it, and won't shut up, the only logical conclusion is that you are not thirsty, but just like to complain.
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Maybe you're right. So, by all means, call people out..... get annoyed with yourself for dying.... and broadcast it to the arena. :neener:
Nop, just call people out. Not sure why you are adding the rest. No one is getting annoyed but the people that got called out :neener:
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I'm an acceptor.
I am angry at myself for making a mistake, if I have. I throw out alot of salutes, they are free. I do not taunt.
Twice now in 7 months, I've said something derogatory, then felt horrible and apologized. Now I just swear at my desktop, log out for a bit, calm down, log back in all smiles and forget it.
The guys I laugh at the most are the taunters. They kill you and they taunt you with "you suck, that was easy..." etc. You kill them and they throw out excuses. They taunt you when they are running away to their buddies or the ack. Last night was like that. Chasing a B17 at 34k, yes thats 34 thousand feet, pinged him and broke off, i get "where you going 190 ?" , finish my turn, set him up again, ping him again, another taunt. I get a kill on him, silence. The sad thing is I worked hard to get up to him, was patient with set up, slashing attacks, he did a good job, I did a good job, but he tried to ruin it by just being a mouthy punk and got no salute. I checked him on the roster, was surprised at the squad he was in as they are respected, but his actions disrespected his squad as a whole and now I think less of them.
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"No one is perfect and growing up takes time."
Yo Bat , You really had me going there. You tagged Acceptance as positive with the whole growing up thing.
If their are no rules then they all have to be neutral , not good or bad as they dont exist as rules.
I understand your premise now. I dont think you can get from here to there.
How do you know when to accept the outcome with out a set of rules?
Is Acceptance not a rule?
If you have chosen what is positive you must have a rule for it.
I do enjoy the conversation. We can't have this conversation with out complaint (and I'm using the word with implied positive meaning)
I enjoy the deep structure conversations. I'm guessing this wont' go there. Maybe it would make a good PM at some point.
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I didn't quite tag acceptance as growing up, more that it is inevitable the older and less bothered one gets.
Acceptance is a rule, for yourself. Telling someone how to play the game is a rule for someone else. There is the difference.
Once again pay attention to the fact I am not telling anyone how to react. I'm highlighting the outcomes of 3 possible reactions.
Complaining is the least likely method to make a person do what you want them to do, would you agree?
Fun is a comodity, if you don't give fun you wont draw fun back out. Calling someone out without lingering on it is alot better than complaining and getting spitefull, I agree with you there. Simply stating how you thought the fight went is just a description, if you are not angry or worked up about it. If you truly believe calling people out has a possitive effect then you should do it, I don't want to stop you bro.
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34K set of buffs, In the MA?
You realize you are worrying about the opinion of someone who has never had even a LITTLE bit of sex in their lives, right?
I'm an acceptor.
I am angry at myself for making a mistake, if I have. I throw out alot of salutes, they are free. I do not taunt.
Twice now in 7 months, I've said something derogatory, then felt horrible and apologized. Now I just swear at my desktop, log out for a bit, calm down, log back in all smiles and forget it.
The guys I laugh at the most are the taunters. They kill you and they taunt you with "you suck, that was easy..." etc. You kill them and they throw out excuses. They taunt you when they are running away to their buddies or the ack. Last night was like that. Chasing a B17 at 34k, yes thats 34 thousand feet, pinged him and broke off, i get "where you going 190 ?" , finish my turn, set him up again, ping him again, another taunt. I get a kill on him, silence. The sad thing is I worked hard to get up to him, was patient with set up, slashing attacks, he did a good job, I did a good job, but he tried to ruin it by just being a mouthy punk and got no salute. I checked him on the roster, was surprised at the squad he was in as they are respected, but his actions disrespected his squad as a whole and now I think less of them.
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I actually had someone say to me "You Suck, all you can do is fight the horde" :O I bout fell out of my chair laughing so hard :rofl
Fight the horde, Sing and Cry, Valhalla I am commmmmminggggggggg!
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The only time I !S is when it was a good 1 on 1.. Unless someone salutes me then I will return it usually :salute
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Fight the horde, Sing and Cry, Valhalla I am commmmmminggggggggg!
ahhhhh Led Zeppelin love em :rock
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Let me reiterate:
If you say "I'm thirsty" and someone hands you a glass of water, you should either drink it, or shut up :oak
If you won't drink it, and won't shut up, the only logical conclusion is that you are not thirsty, but just like to complain.
Negative thats not whats going on here. Im asking specifically for a glass of water. Which is available along with 40 other drinks. someone brings me alcohol. I say no that is not what i asked for. you say too bad all I'm going to give you is alcohol cry baby. I'm going to say ..I go somewhere else and get a glass of water.
I'm not going to Salute you for that.
If all you had was alcohol I would say no thanks and you would get a Salute.
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Let me see how well this works.
<Salute> Batfink