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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: captain1ma on September 01, 2010, 02:55:20 PM
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Questions:
1. what would it take for you or your squad to frequent the AVA 1 night or more a week?
2. what do you like about the AVA, if anything? (Please speak from experience)
3. what do you dislike about the AVA, if anything? (again, please speak from experience)
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1. Decent numbers, and an active account wouldn't hurt either.
2. Larry's old bomber mishuns.
3. The fact its a ghost town at the times I usually play, and that it's broken on TT so I can't go there to get away.
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1. for the late war server's to go down again.
2. killing Luftwannabe's in my Spitfire one after the other.
3. Not being able to fly my Spitfire.
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Questions:
1. what would it take for you or your squad to frequent the AVA 1 night or more a week?
2. what do you like about the AVA, if anything? (Please speak from experience)
3. what do you dislike about the AVA, if anything? (again, please speak from experience)
1. :bolt:
2. Short time to action.
3. The frequent changes that seem to cater to people avoiding fights. For example, the latest no icon thingie. The only one benefiting from it, is the guy coming to pick you.
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1) 38s and a cookie (any set is fine really)
2) The no icon deal was a plus I thought. You have to ID the bird friend or foe. Generally good folks who were coming there. Short times to get in fight. etc.
3) Usually not enough folks.
Rock and a hard place really, you have to get a fire started but we lost all the matches.
How about we get a few folks to voluntarily set aside 2 weeks to fly mostly if not all in AVA. See if that makes enough kindlin to get a fire started.
If this sounds interesting I would be glad to go two weeks hard at it. I'll fly either side to balance and offer anyone a target.
To get the AVA going again is a tall order. Jaeger is making a go at it and I'll be glad to help where I can.
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About 200+ players........ same as the MA.
A reason to play.... missions.
No useless furballs.
Cavalry
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and that it's broken on TT
Can anyone confirm this?
Everytime I've been in on Tuesday, it's been fine.
Is this an old resolved issue with a lingering perception or does it continue to be a problem?
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My squad has frequented the AvA on both squad nights and FSO by-weeks.
We really enjoyed the prospect of the mini-scenario, and I think bomber escort missions would be great fun.
Not enough people. Even when 3-4 squad mates and I log in to the arena, few people follow us. More people attracts more people, which attracts more people, which attracts more people...
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Can anyone confirm this?
Everytime I've been in on Tuesday, it's been fine.
Is this an old resolved issue with a lingering perception or does it continue to be a problem?
Used to be broken, for quite some time it has been fine. I think they switched the servers for the arenas around a year ago.
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At least a short icon range maybe 800 or 600. And posibly the citys further apart becouse since i started playing in there every fight turns into a 200 ft off the deck furball all night. Everyone is scared to get into the blue cuz everyone will see them lol.
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At least a short icon range maybe 800 or 600. And posibly the citys further apart becouse since i started playing in there every fight turns into a 200 ft off the deck furball all night. Everyone is scared to get into the blue cuz everyone will see them lol.
I love no icons! If you don't want guys sneaking up on you, get some alt, and stay vigilant.
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Questions:
1. what would it take for you or your squad to frequent the AVA 1 night or more a week?
answer: Icons on, and if I could get more squaddies to come with.
2. what do you like about the AVA, if anything? (Please speak from experience)
answer: Historical matchups
3. what do you dislike about the AVA, if anything? (again, please speak from experience)
answer: Having no icons
I havent been in the AVa in a longtime and the main reason....Ive made a habit out of clicking a LW MA or recently the DA. I practically dont even see the other arenas its such a habit.
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Questions:
1. what would it take for you or your squad to frequent the AVA 1 night or more a week?
Decent numbers (doesn't need to be 300, but when I log on at Euro times it's usually 0-1), standard icon settings, acceptable player behaviour, allround gameplay options similar to MA
2. what do you like about the AVA, if anything? (Please speak from experience)
Historic matchups
3. what do you dislike about the AVA, if anything? (again, please speak from experience)
Icon settings. Very bad experience with player behaviour (insults, pursefights, elitist attitude) on many occasions over a few years. Both were absolute gamebreakers for me.
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I think the AVA team is doing a remarkable job trying to give the community what it wants. As soon as my box gets back I'll be back in there inviting death to find me.
Not enough numbers complaints? I've found that 9 out of 10 times if I go in there and there's nobody around so long as I up a plane somebody will come in there and pounce me. So my suggestion to the community at large is if you like what you're seeing out of the AVA staff lead others in there with your presence. I think the elitist mind set is, for the most part, a thing of the past. Most of the guys that frequent the arena are class acts and above average sticks (I exclude myself on both points).
The first night of Jet Week I had 5 or 6 of my squad mates in there yukking it up and having a blast. There's no cover and no dress code so drop on in :)
Just a thought here how about some of you predominately Allied squads challenge a predominately Axis squad to a week long battle in there? Or vice versa?
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I couldn't disagree more about any comments on the no icon's. It is in fact the best thing about the AvA and truly makes ACM "come alive". Just about everything that doesn't "add up" when viewed via the normal AH experience all of a sudden makes perfect sense.
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We had a great time in there last night.
I had a real early morning so I had to log way before I wanted to.
I challenge anyone and everyone to come check it out. At least see what is going on................
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This is not a thread to argue about what you like and what I like. Just answer the questions and make the OPs life easyer :aok
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Questions:
1. what would it take for you or your squad to frequent the AVA 1 night or more a week?
More numbers, icon settings enabled.
2. what do you like about the AVA, if anything? (Please speak from experience)
Historic settings.
3. what do you dislike about the AVA, if anything? (again, please speak from experience)
(copied from Lusche's post....says it all)
Icon settings disabled. Very bad experiences with player behaviour (insults, pursefights, elitist attitude) on many occasions over a few years. Both were absolute gamebreakers for me.
That being said, we discussed this week about moving to AvA once in a while to change things up. 125th will scope it out for a couple of weeks.
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Rokit
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Questions:
1. what would it take for you or your squad to frequent the AVA 1 night or more a week?
2. what do you like about the AVA, if anything? (Please speak from experience)
3. what do you dislike about the AVA, if anything? (again, please speak from experience)
1) a small miracle
2) Oldman
3) Storch (and all incarnations of his shades)
speaking from experience, of course..... :P
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for the record, storch has been gone for over a year.
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1. what would it take for you or your squad to frequent the AVA 1 night or more a week?
more people and more plane types for the Axis (Japanese and italian planes)
2. what do you like about the AVA, if anything? (Please speak from experience)
the matchups are more fun in theory
3. what do you dislike about the AVA, if anything? (again, please speak from experience)
hard to find good 4/4 style fights.
To be honest, I think FSO and other historic scenarios do everything AvA would do for me - with proper missions, great fights and a lot of history.
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bring him back
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1. what would it take for you or your squad to frequent the AVA 1 night or more a week?
I don't have a squad...yet. But I would come more often than I do if there were more people who are organized I.E. Missions.
2. what do you like about the AVA, if anything? (Please speak from experience)
I Loved Larry's old AvA missions, It brought a nice historical feel to it other than furballing (don't get me wrong I love to furball)
3. what do you dislike about the AVA, if anything? (again, please speak from experience)
This isn't very original but I would like to seen more people who are organized. Thats about it, I love it in all aspects except for that.
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1. cant even get my squad together on squad night..
2.one vs. one (usually only 2 there)
3.Pretentious A-holes who think of AvA as "their" arena.
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Questions:
1. what would it take for you or your squad to frequent the AVA 1 night or more a week?
Decent numbers & renewed interest within the Pigs
2. what do you like about the AVA, if anything? (Please speak from experience)
Progressive historic matchups in short period of time-Say early to late war in a few weeks time. Historic settings for the matchups.
3. what do you dislike about the AVA, if anything? (again, please speak from experience)
Icon settings. I stole this from Lusche, but it is exactly why the Pigs as a group lost interest: very bad experience with player behaviour (insults, pursefights, elitist attitude) on many occasions.
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Icons are fine the way they are. in fact, the AvA helped me with my SA in the MAs due to this. I see enemies 6k-10k away that none of my squaddies see or even most of the bish around me now.
The ONLY thing keeping me away from the AvA is the numbers and my squad. nobody wants to go there and my squaddies dont either... so therefore i'm in a rock and a hard place.
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Icons are fine the way they are. in fact, the AvA helped me with my SA in the MAs due to this. I see enemies 6k-10k away that none of my squaddies see or even most of the bish around me now.
The ONLY thing keeping me away from the AvA is the numbers and my squad. nobody wants to go there and my squaddies dont either... so therefore i'm in a rock and a hard place.
Is it true that you can turn your icons off if you want? That can help you with your SA if you are doing it for training. Why do you want mine off?
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I've tried to bring the DFC into the Arena and was the only one of two people that showed up. I've tried at various times to pull folks in, as a way to "make amends" with JG-54. Those times I succeeded in bringing 30+ people in there.
That aside, I'd say the No Icon thing could be seen as something "extra curricular". As I've never flown in there since that change, I am personally going on what the "majority" feels.
jd & VonMessa - It's a different ballgame now. Jaeger and the rest of JG-54 have made a change for the better, so leave the past where it is. Storch and I, disagreed on a lot of things, but in FW, we've sorta "patched things up". What happened here was simply a disagreement that was blown out of proportion.
I :salute JG-54 for trying to make serious strides and effort into reincarnating the AvA. I just wish for my sake, when a group of people say "Yeah, we'll be there", that they actually hold true.
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I just wish for my sake, when a group of people say "Yeah, we'll be there", that they actually hold true.
Its the same for the people stating their excitement about the change and to leave it there. If only they went in the arena also . . .
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I have no complaints about AvA except lack of interest in the AH community. In all honesty, if 30-50 players played a night, I would never go to MA.
perdweeb
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Questions:
1. what would it take for you or your squad to frequent the AVA 1 night or more a week?
2. what do you like about the AVA, if anything? (Please speak from experience)
3. what do you dislike about the AVA, if anything? (again, please speak from experience)
1. P38's mainly. We have two squad nights a week and would gladly spend them in the AvA with P38's. No P-38's and interest in the AvA diminishes. No US iron at all and there is no interest.
2. No enemy icons. Best part of the AvA and really what makes everything else worthwhile.
3. Lack of a published schedule. We plan our activities and an arena where you can't tell what is going to be happening in next week just doesn't become part of the planning cycle. My squadron loves AvA time but it drops off the list of things to do pretty quickly once a few weeks go by with no P38's. I check the events calendar and that is where the AvA schedule should be.
Personally, I'm waiting for the 32 player H2H so I can run a P38 no enemy icon server every Saturday night. Already got my event rotation figured out. 52 weeks of pure P38 :aok :O
I'll post a schedule on a webpage and allow folks to reserve a slot online. :cheers:
2 weeks :banana:
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Is it true that you can turn your icons off if you want? That can help you with your SA if you are doing it for training. Why do you want mine off?
Equality. It's ok if you don't like them off. You have your choice of many different arenas with them on.
There is only one arena with them off.
Dawger......... there are 38s in the AVA now. :D
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1) a small miracle
2) Oldman
3) Storch (and all incarnations of his shades)
speaking from experience, of course..... :P
ya know? i shouldn't go here.....but i've seen a different side of storchie over on flamewarriors. i get the impression he's really not a bad guy at all.
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i shouldn't stick my nose in here, but...well.......i'm an bellybutton sometimes, so i will anyway.
i noticed a LOT of the responders in here answer to #1, is more people.
so....if everyone that said "more people" logged in one night......i think there'd be plenty of people in there.
i've never flown without icons, and very often have trouble seeing an aircraft that's only d400 in front of me...i fly on a 22" lcd. i wonder if possibly the icons were set to the opposite of in the main arenas would help? like have them set to off, but with the ability to turn them on if one feels the need?
i can't answer #3, as my flight time is very limited, and i spend most of it in the mw arena......although someday i may have to pop in ava, and be bait....'specially if my squaddies are in there. i'm the official bait. :noid
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Dawger......... there are 38s in the AVA now. :D
Thanks Shuffler :)
Good to know. Information like that is handy, especially when it is located on a calendar.
http://ahevents.org/events-calendar.html
One month in advance sure is nice.
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I'll look into the possibilities.
We don't have direct access to the special events calendar and we are not set on a month to month schedule, but perhaps we can do a little better here.
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Is it true that you can turn your icons off if you want? That can help you with your SA if you are doing it for training. Why do you want mine off?
if you are in the MA and you go icon off, it takes away from your IFF and also reduces you chance of being able to kill enemy due to the fact that almost if not all your enemy see that little red name above you. in the TA yes you can with a comrade but you still know where one enemy is compared to a possible flight of 4 P51Ds 5 thousand above you and 7 thousand yards away. if you can I.D. these threats before they see you, there is a better chance for you and your allies to come out alive... simple as that.
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i've never flown without icons, and very often have trouble seeing an aircraft that's only d400 in front of me...i fly on a 22" lcd.
This is the problem for me, but I don't even have a 22" -- still using a 19" CRT monitor. I don't have the hi-res pack installed, and even if my video card can handle it (which I doubt given I can't turn up all the detail sliders as it is), I am sure it would be lost given the lack of resolution on my monitor. I easily lose the outline of the aircraft in front of me when close to the ground, and depth perception (important to have to judge closing speed and such) is nearly non-existant. Without the icons, there is simply no point in me trying to play and compete, because I am the equivalent of an extremely nearsighted pilot flying without his glasses.
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Without the icons, there is simply no point in me trying to play and compete, because I am the equivalent of an extremely nearsighted pilot flying without his glasses.
That pretty much sums it up for me, except, I AM a pretty near sighted pilot to boot. If I were really skilled, no icons in the AvA might be a fun test of my SA skills... I'm not, so AvA feels like nothing more then running as a target drone for the AH2 "Eliteniks"...
I don't have the time or abilities to acheive their levels of skill, so I guess no AvA for me... Since I won't die at someone else's guns in real life, I really can't spend the time to become an AH2 savant...
I get the immersion thing, honestly that's what I am going for most of the time. I just don't have the time to develope my SA to the levels needed to be anything other then a target in the AvA (and nearly FSO for that matter).
I'll continue to laugh anytime anyone wonders why AvA is a ghost town... Us regular folks like at least a super slim chance at winning, even without giving the SA "giants" an opening advantage...
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Questions:
1. what would it take for you or your squad to frequent the AVA 1 night or more a week?
2. what do you like about the AVA, if anything? (Please speak from experience)
3. what do you dislike about the AVA, if anything? (again, please speak from experience)
the full plane set, more people
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That pretty much sums it up for me, except, I AM a pretty near sighted pilot to boot. If I were really skilled, no icons in the AvA might be a fun test of my SA skills... I'm not, so AvA feels like nothing more then running as a target drone for the AH2 "Eliteniks"...
I don't have the time or abilities to acheive their levels of skill, so I guess no AvA for me... Since I won't die at someone else's guns in real life, I really can't spend the time to become an AH2 savant...
I get the immersion thing, honestly that's what I am going for most of the time. I just don't have the time to develope my SA to the levels needed to be anything other then a target in the AvA (and nearly FSO for that matter).
I'll continue to laugh anytime anyone wonders why AvA is a ghost town... Us regular folks like at least a super slim chance at winning, even without giving the SA "giants" an opening advantage...
SA in a no icon environment is pretty simple to develop. All it requires is one or more wing men. The real world is no icon and mutual lookout is imperative and the world spends lots of money on helping pilots "see" the other guys in a fight.
No icons isn't an elite arena and the pilots that fly there aren't the cream in of the crop. In fact I would posit that they are below the average skill level in Aces High (myself included). Some of them like to bluster that they are the best of the best but don't believe it.
I've been flying online for well over a decade and can tell you the hardest environment to survive in is a full icon arena in a plane that isn't the fastest thing around. With icons on skill and decision making are critical. There is no room for error when the enemy has a targeting computer that "sees" you over 3 miles away with high accuracy.
A second factor that makes the AvA easier is the historic matchup and limited plane set. You always know what you are facing and with a little planning can keep the fight to your advantage.
The lack of icons makes escaping in a slower airplane a possibility. Since you are harder to see smaller airplanes have an advantage. You can adjust your flying style to make yourself harder to see. No icons favors a flying style that makes it harder to you. A flying style that uses oblique maneuver works better than one that sticks to pure vertical or pure horizontal.
I love no icons. I think its fun and gets the adrenaline pumping because of the uncertainty. It takes a bit of getting used to and you die in the transition a bit. I hadn't flown no icons for nearly two months until Friday night and died until I got re-acclimated.
Give it a try. Its nice for a change of pace. Give it some time to really see if you like it. Ignore the chest pounding and remember that many of those guys are in there because they get the floor wiped with themselves in the Main Arenas. Those are easy to spot. They will be the ones in the AvA demanding everyone fly like its a Bruce Lee movie where the bad guys take turns fighting the Hero. Sure sign of a guy looking for a place to be a Big Fish in a small pond.
To repeat, I love no icons and historical matchups but it isn't any harder or more worthy than anything else in this game.
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No icons isn't an elite arena and the pilots that fly there aren't the cream in of the crop. In fact I would posit that they are below the average skill level in Aces High (myself included). Some of them like to bluster that they are the best of the best but don't believe it.
True, other than a couple of individuals most of us that frequent AVA are like myself average or below. I don't know who started the elite myth but they were full of it.
A second factor that makes the AvA easier is the historic matchup and limited plane set. You always know what you are facing and with a little planning can keep the fight to your advantage.
True again, the fact that in the LWA you can come across any aircraft at any moment requires a higher level of SA and skill than you need in the AVA where your enemy is narrowed down to three or four types at the most and these are usually aircraft of the same era as the one you're flying. I can't speak for anybody else but for me flying against the historical enemy of whatever aircraft I'm flying is the fun part.
I love no icons. I think its fun and gets the adrenaline pumping because of the uncertainty.
Give it a try. Its nice for a change of pace. Give it some time to really see if you like it. Ignore the chest pounding and remember that many of those guys are in there because they get the floor wiped with themselves in the Main Arenas.
To repeat, I love no icons and historical matchups but it isn't any harder or more worthy than anything else in this game.
Well said Dawger. The AVA is an arena of limitations. Limited icons and aircraft limted to historical eras of the war. Nothing more nothing less. It doesn't offer the full blown everything thrown at you at once experiance of the LWA. It's slower paced and limited in scope. The maps and aircraft usually change every week giving you a chance for a different experiance four times a month. True everybody's favorite aircraft isn't there every week but sooner or later each aircraft will get a chance to fly against it's historical avdersary. It's not superior to the other arenas, it's just another option available that you might enjoy if you'd like a change of pace occasionally.
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Upped once, saw a dot, 10 seconds later it bounced me. Upped again, (was mindful of size of dots this time), were 2 on dar (only 2 in the air, ANYwhere) they both jumped me. Went back to MA. Reminded me of A V A years ago with Storch and his guys--no matter what the scenario/odds/numbers, every guy anywhere near ya all jumped ya at once...yawn
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i gotta admit. today was great in the AvA. i loved the numbers ranging from 15-25 constant at only 6pm-8pm! it was wonderful to fight people again :lol
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Questions:
1. what would it take for you or your squad to frequent the AVA 1 night or more a week?
Set up special events, missions
2. what do you like about the AVA, if anything? (Please speak from experience)
Squad vs Squad, event match in plane set, and no egos
3. what do you dislike about the AVA, if anything? (again, please speak from experience)
People who have big egos that do not know how to take a kill because they are not in their perk ride AC
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ya know? i shouldn't go here.....but i've seen a different side of storchie over on flamewarriors. i get the impression he's really not a bad guy at all.
He is not a bad guy at all, really nice once you get to know him. Really miss him. :salute
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He is not a bad guy at all, really nice once you get to know him. Really miss him. :salute
yea, to be honest, i think i do too. i hate having to admit i was wrong though.......but it is what it is......i am here on the boards the same as i am in rl........
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Hello Capt1ma,
I felt I should qualify my above statements by visiting the AVA last night. It seemed only fair to give it a whirl. I will tell you that there was no crap attitudes present during my visit during US prime time last night. A pretty good sized group of folks about 28 at it's highest. I managed to cajole a few squaddies to come with, and we swapped appropriately to keep everything balanced sidewise.
I would say that the only thing that was a detractor was the no icons for enemies. There has to be some way to address this. I simply prefer them. Some of my squaddies are older than my 41 years, and frankly they are blind as bats! LOL
The other thing that is more player choice and not really as big an issue, was folks plane choices. I do not mean what planes were available, rather the Allies were almost always a Hurricane IIC, and the Allies were almost always a FW190A-5. I flew a variety of planes on both sides, and would encourage others to do the same. It will make the fights more varied and keep that interest level up.
Third thing that stood out was the lack of GV or bomber action. Little or nothing occurring in those areas. I am not a big bomber fan, but I do love my ground warfare. Get some more GV'ers interested please.
I sincerely hope this helps you make the AVA a more frequented place for all of us.
:salute
Way
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I am 51 and the eyes aint what they used to be......
I thouroughly enjoy the no icons.
If the ground guys would come in and test out this new terrain, I think they'd love it.
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Waystin, I'm glad you were able to get into the AVA and try it out. thanks for being honest and giving it a fair shake. since we've gone to the "no enemy icons", we've found that it isn't for everyone. we've also found that if you give it about 4 hours of your time, you'll learn to pick up on it. its entirely your choice. the trick is to communicate with people, even ones you don't know, to cover your 6 or atleast check 6 you. most people that are in there are finding this out.
as for the eyesight, as we get older, we all have to compensate. if these guys were actually looking ahead 2 or 3 miles or more, id say its a problem, but the monitor is only a few feet away. I'm not minimizing their problem, but i find it hard to believe that they can't see a computer screen a few feet away.
as for the plane choices, in the midwar, they all fly spits. guys that aren't as proficient as others tend to use the more easy mode planes. not much you can do about that.
as for the gv/bomber thing, someone has to start something first. the other night we had a pretty serious battle going with both gv's and bombers. it was pretty wild. just jump in and attack someone elses base, im sure they'll come out to greet you, you'll see!
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For the guys that are worried about "hi res pack" and being able to spot enemies, there are a couple of AvA regulars who use laptops and crappy barely capable systems that have dummied down the graphics and have little trouble holding their own in the arena. You do have to keep your monitor clean so you don't chase false dots. :lol
If you're not used to the lack of icons, the first hour or so with a good fight going on is murder, so if you're ego won't allow you to get shot down frequently...the AvA is not a good place for you.
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i'm gonna go buy an hdmi cable for my computer....and run it on my 42" tv. then i'll see bigger parts come off of my ride. :D
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we've also found that if you give it about 4 hours of your time, you'll learn to pick
I just could not. Too eazy :lol
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:furious :D
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:furious :D
:neener:
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:rofl
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Questions:
1. what would it take for you or your squad to frequent the AVA 1 night or more a week?
2. what do you like about the AVA, if anything? (Please speak from experience)
3. what do you dislike about the AVA, if anything? (again, please speak from experience)
Been dying to do it, but there's bever anyone inthere when I log on.
I like the idea of no icons and having to ID the plane. What to try that and without the computer giving distances.
Not enough folks.
I will try go in there tonight and stick it out for the duration. Hopefully numebrs will atrract numebers. :salute
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rumor has it there were at one point up to 28 people in there last night.
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Questions:
1. what would it take for you or your squad to frequent the AVA 1 night or more a week?
Pigs will try anything. Some of us were in there last night I believe.
2. what do you like about the AVA, if anything? (Please speak from experience)
EVERY SINGLE THING. Icons off equalize the environment and make it realistic. Icons ranging targets are simply not real-world. I understand why folks want it back but the truth is that if you want some semblance of realism, that's a big step closer.
3. what do you dislike about the AVA, if anything? (again, please speak from experience)
Nothing really. I will say that aircraft skins that have some desert-matching camo are tough to find on the deck but I suspect that is how the realism manifests itself. I like the arena a lot and have had a ton of fun in there. More than anything else, the folks I've flown with and against in there have been extremely cordial, helpful and pleasant to be around quite honestly...(Shuffler, USRanger, CHOG, paleoguy <S>). Its a ton tougher to be a picker in that arena because you can't tell the distance as quickly without the icons ranging for you...and its tougher to tell when someone has latched onto your 6 because there isn't a RED outline that surrounds their a/c. Oh...one last thing...the limited plane set is a real equalizer to...how cool was it to play for a couple of hours without being jumped by a temp, pony, 262, LA7, or typy.....JMHO
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Hello Capt1ma,
I felt I should qualify my above statements by visiting the AVA last night. It seemed only fair to give it a whirl. I will tell you that there was no crap attitudes present during my visit during US prime time last night. A pretty good sized group of folks about 28 at it's highest. I managed to cajole a few squaddies to come with, and we swapped appropriately to keep everything balanced sidewise.
I would say that the only thing that was a detractor was the no icons for enemies. There has to be some way to address this. I simply prefer them. Some of my squaddies are older than my 41 years, and frankly they are blind as bats! LOL
The other thing that is more player choice and not really as big an issue, was folks plane choices. I do not mean what planes were available, rather the Allies were almost always a Hurricane IIC, and the Allies were almost always a FW190A-5. I flew a variety of planes on both sides, and would encourage others to do the same. It will make the fights more varied and keep that interest level up.
Third thing that stood out was the lack of GV or bomber action. Little or nothing occurring in those areas. I am not a big bomber fan, but I do love my ground warfare. Get some more GV'ers interested please.
I sincerely hope this helps you make the AVA a more frequented place for all of us.
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Capt....I will work on the boss....just leave the icon thingy alone. Its the right thing to do for realism's sake.
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Capt....I will work on the boss....just leave the icon thingy alone. Its the right thing to do for realism's sake.
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Agreed! Are you going to log off after you die? It would be the right thing to do for realism's sake
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Agreed! Are you going to log off after you die? It would be the right thing to do for realism's sake
Point taken but that is what the 14.95 a month is for...the new shiny planes. Realism without the danger....please dont tell me you're afraid.
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Agreed! Are you going to log off after you die? It would be the right thing to do for realism's sake
Didn't think it was possible to be that full of it...nice job. :aok
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Didn't think it was possible to be that full of it...nice job. :aok
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Point taken but that is what the 14.95 a month is for...the new shiny planes. Realism without the danger....please dont tell me you're afraid.
I can see why it is impossible to argue my point :lol
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Agreed! Are you going to log off after you die? It would be the right thing to do for realism's sake
I can see from your posts that the AVA is just not for you. Lucky there are all those other arenas. One or more may be to your liking.
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I can see why it is impossible to argue my point :lol
Really? Here's why: This is computer programming imitating history...it wouldn't be much of a game if you paid $14.95 to die once...who would you have to brag to if you were the last guy standing? Not the rest of us because we wouldn't be able to log back in. I am wondering why you don't make the same impossible argument for the other arenas if it is so meritous. Making an argument to die once vs icon removal is a bit more self-serving than realistic or else you would make the same argument for the other arenas. I don't argue it with you because you know how ridiculous it really is. Sometimes making a point is enough....don't let the point become your head. :salute
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Really? Here's why: This is computer programming imitating history...it wouldn't be much of a game if you paid $14.95 to die once...who would you have to brag to if you were the last guy standing? Not the rest of us because we wouldn't be able to log back in. I am wondering why you don't make the same impossible argument for the other arenas if it is so meritous. Making an argument to die once vs icon removal is a bit more self-serving than realistic or else you would make the same argument for the other arenas. I don't argue it with you because you know how ridiculous it really is. Sometimes making a point is enough....don't let the point become your head. :salute
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Because no one is in this thread is talking about realism in the other arenas. You guys brought up the subject (should I say excuse?) of realism so I used it. You are right, it is a game and therefore it also ridiculous to claim that no icons is more realistic. It can't be due to the limitations of the two dimensional screen, screen resolution, quality of graphics and art work, etc. So, you cannot accept the need for the non realistic icon, but you do accept the unrealistic behavior of a dead rising and coming straight for you.
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Spamming two threads with your AvA "concerns"?
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I can see from your posts that the AVA is just not for you. Lucky there are all those other arenas. One or more may be to your liking.
That is where you are wrong. Just because I don;t agree with some things it does not mean the arena is not for me. Just because you don;t agree with me, it does not mean the arena is not for me. I was there before you and I will be there after you. However, I don;t like some things and I voice my opinion. If you guys want to count or respect the opinions only of the people that agree with yours that is fine with me, but don;t just discard someones arguments simply because you disagree with them.
If I did not like the AvA I would not be saying a word about it.
If you go back and read through all the posts and threads, other than insults, smart arse remarks, and the if you don;t like it leave responses you will not find any good arguments to have no icons. Yeah, realism is one of them, but given the settings, the graphics, the flat screens, the battle conditions etc, what realism are we talking about? In any case, you can achieve your realism by turning your icons off. The problem is that you want mine off.
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Spamming two threads with your AvA "concerns"?
Spamming the wrong forum with AvA threads?
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Questions:
1. what would it take for you or your squad to frequent the AVA 1 night or more a week?
nothing, just not gonna happen....... would have to really be bored to fly in the AvsA anymore
2. what do you like about the AVA, if anything? (Please speak from experience)
I used to like to fly with the group of players that participated there, only a few of them are there these days
3. what do you dislike about the AVA, if anything? (again, please speak from experience)
the no enemy icons, I saw no problem with the "Limited distance Icon settings, that the AvsA always had before this recent change
now, I answered the questions....... I will give my personal view.....
The AvsA ( or CT arena of old ), always seems to go thru changing of hands, changing of the Staff? or what ever.. then there is the changing of the Player base in that Arena... sometimes certain types would claim it as their own little playground...... and in my view that is still happening today.... it's just a different group that want this "no icons" playground.
so if you like this type of gameplay, then show up and play
if you don't like it, then go somewhere else
but if it is so damn great, why is it that the only times there is any significant number of people playing in there, is only when something like the Twin Rivers Terrain comes out, or a few get together and plan to meet to have a showing of numbers?
any other time and it drops back to the same amount of players as it always has been..... only difference is the names of the players in those numbers... with only a very small few of any of the original older players, still sticking around....
best of luck to the AvsA and AvsA Staff........ I know ya'll work very hard at keeping the flame lit and trying to keep people in that arena
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That is where you are wrong. Just because I don;t agree with some things it does not mean the arena is not for me. Just because you don;t agree with me, it does not mean the arena is not for me. I was there before you and I will be there after you. However, I don;t like some things and I voice my opinion. If you guys want to count or respect the opinions only of the people that agree with yours that is fine with me, but don;t just discard someones arguments simply because you disagree with them.
If I did not like the AvA I would not be saying a word about it.
If you go back and read through all the posts and threads, other than insults, smart arse remarks, and the if you don;t like it leave responses you will not find any good arguments to have no icons. Yeah, realism is one of them, but given the settings, the graphics, the flat screens, the battle conditions etc, what realism are we talking about? In any case, you can achieve your realism by turning your icons off. The problem is that you want mine off.
It has nothing to do with agreeing or not agreeing. Do you complain so much about everything you like? What do you do when you don't like something? Is there a difference? :D
Your wrong on no good arguement. Might be because it disagrees with your thoughts on it. The simple fact that the arena gives those who do like no icon, a place to fly. There is no other arena with that going for it.
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LIKE I said before.....my first night in the ava was the most overall enjoyment i've had ingame in quite awhile.
now that doesn't mean i don't enjoy myself in midwar, where i normally hang out. i very much DO enjoy it in there. there's a lot of guys that are fun to fight with, and against in there.
it doesn't mean i think i'm better than anyone(we all know how many pee38's i've wrecked), or have better SA than anyone else. i wouldn't even say it has anything to do with realism(some i guess, but not all).
what it DOES mean, is that it is a fresh area, with a fresh challenge, and a group of great pile-its that i've not had the opportunity to fly with or against.
if nothing else, that alone is a good reason for me to go in there. in time, i may come to not enjoy it, but i cannot predict that.
what i do know, is that i'll probably spend more of my time in there in the near future(at least as long as i can get my pee38), and i'll probably keep doing some of my sortie write ups from runs in there.
it's just a different kind of fun. nothing more, nothing less.
i could relate it to archery......some of us swear by our compound bows, while others swear by their recurve bows.
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In any case, you can achieve your realism by turning your icons off. The problem is that you want mine off.
He does have a point. :aok
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LIKE I said before.....my first night in the ava was the most overall enjoyment i've had ingame in quite awhile.
now that doesn't mean i don't enjoy myself in midwar, where i normally hang out. i very much DO enjoy it in there. there's a lot of guys that are fun to fight with, and against in there.
it doesn't mean i think i'm better than anyone(we all know how many pee38's i've wrecked), or have better SA than anyone else. i wouldn't even say it has anything to do with realism(some i guess, but not all).
what it DOES mean, is that it is a fresh area, with a fresh challenge, and a group of great pile-its that i've not had the opportunity to fly with or against.
if nothing else, that alone is a good reason for me to go in there. in time, i may come to not enjoy it, but i cannot predict that.
what i do know, is that i'll probably spend more of my time in there in the near future(at least as long as i can get my pee38), and i'll probably keep doing some of my sortie write ups from runs in there.
it's just a different kind of fun. nothing more, nothing less.
i could relate it to archery......some of us swear by our compound bows, while others swear by their recurve bows.
+1 for realism....Im not sure but I don't think WWII pile its had icons with distance...just saying! lol Hammer away!!!
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He does have a point. :aok
Not really.
Even playing field.
You can get icons in all the other arenas.
I don't fly DA Lake because I think the setup is so easy mode. I have no idea why it is even in an arena called the Dueling Arena. Some folks will fly there and complain all day about it instead of finding an arena that more suits their idea of the game.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
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Not really.
Even playing field.
You can get icons in all the other arenas.
I don't fly DA Lake because I think the setup is so easy mode. I have no idea why it is even in an arena called the Dueling Arena. Some folks will fly there and complain all day about it instead of finding an arena that more suits their idea of the game.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
LOL, still trying to incorporate the horse comment into this discussion. :headscratch: Therein lies the old problem and attitude with the AVA to begin with. Well it's not for you... The truth is, it is for every paying subscriber, so why not at least respond to the the information that Captain1MA asked for. The response I received was, well it's probably not for you. This sounds an awful lot like the personal playground we had before. Let me say this, I am in no way impuning Capt or yourself, just discussing here Shuff. I will continue to try it off and on, but I feel that adding icons would improve it. Having enemy icons was not the reason it was a ghost town, nor is it totally responsible for it's revival. It is the people and their behavior.
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Way
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LOL, still trying to incorporate the horse comment into this discussion. :headscratch: Therein lies the old problem and attitude with the AVA to begin with. Well it's not for you... The truth is, it is for every paying subscriber, so why not at least respond to the the information that Captain1MA asked for. The response I received was, well it's probably not for you. This sounds an awful lot like the personal playground we had before. Let me say this, I am in no way impuning Capt or yourself, just discussing here Shuff. I will continue to try it off and on, but I feel that adding icons would improve it. Having enemy icons was not the reason it was a ghost town, nor is it totally responsible for it's revival. It is the people and their behavior.
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Way
Hmmmm, this may be more difficult than I originally suspected. Jaeger, I will get back to you....lol.
Way, about that talk we were going to have later.........
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Hmmmm, this may be more difficult than I originally suspected. Jaeger, I will get back to you....lol.
Way, about that talk we were going to have later.........
My point was that some say the icons are off because it ups the "immersion". What if folks do not want their "immersion" upped? Why not make it an option? Not that difficult to do brother Change. I feel it has more to do with flying styles and preferences rather than immersion as stated.
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the icons ARE an option. we all have the option to optionally go to another optional arena and optionally fly with icons on. or in those arenas we can option to turn them off.
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My point was that some say the icons are off because it ups the "immersion". What if folks do not want their "immersion" upped? Why not make it an option? Not that difficult to do brother Change. I feel it has more to do with flying styles and preferences rather than immersion as stated.
Fair enough my friend...but...(there's always a butt and its usually me) why not change "immersion" to "historically and technologically more accurate"? See, thinking of it this way enables everyone that is willing to stay with it long enough to get used to have an actual alibi when getting torched often, like me! Besides, I can't get my grandfather's comment out of my head and I quote, "What the hell is that red thing doing giving you the range? That sh&t didnt happen in real life!!!....why in the world do ALL of the bad guys have red distance things around them??? Do you have a red distance thing around you???? (Yes, gramps I do), well hell, turn it off or you're gonna die faster!!! because they are ALL above you!!!.....you're gonna be real crappy at this game aren't you" (Yes gramps...I am real crappy at this game)
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Questions:
1. what would it take for you or your squad to frequent the AVA 1 night or more a week?
2. what do you like about the AVA, if anything? (Please speak from experience)
3. what do you dislike about the AVA, if anything? (again, please speak from experience)
1. Not in a squad, but it would take having planes I want to fly available more often (for example: if Spits participated in the historical battle being modeled, they should be included- the "designer" shouldn't leave them out solely because he doesn't like them or thinks a K/D=0.9 plane is "easymode").
2. Historical matchups and the current icon settings. The icon settings totally change the fight. For example, it is possible to extend from a bad situation even in a slow plane by diving to the deck and making use of your camouflage. Having dot dar available makes it easy to find the enemy and friendly icons mean you do not have to identify plane types visually to know what's enemy and what's not. It does, I admit, place people with poor graphics systems or bad eyesight at a disadvantage, especially when trying to follow enemy below you against the terrain. However, I personally think it increases the immersion by requiring SA and increasing uncertainty. (The argument "hey, you want immersion, turn your icons off while I leave mine on" is specious as it creates a grossly unbalanced situation, much more unbalanced than graphical limitations cause with no icons.)
3. Not being able to fly a plane I like. Also, there is little coordination and it is more like a dueling arena; I'd enjoy it more if people ran missions. In the past the entire reason I stayed away was the attitude problem, but I haven't really seen any of that lately.
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My point was that some say the icons are off because it ups the "immersion". What if folks do not want their "immersion" upped? Why not make it an option? Not that difficult to do brother Change. I feel it has more to do with flying styles and preferences rather than immersion as stated.
For those who do not want their immersion upped, we have the DA, 2 late war, 1 mid war, 1 early and 3 WWI arenas, that is not to mention the scenarios, FSO, Wednesday snapshots and the SEC. Not everyone participates in all of them, and that is their option. If you want battles between just 2 sides and limited plane sets with enemy icons on, for a change of pace, there is ample opportunity. There are more choices available to the all icons on masses than there are for the no enemy icons few, why try and make us change the one option that started out as an experiment and created a different experience and has revitalized the game for some?
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Gyrene and AvA Staff,
From reading the posts and responses to the no-Icon mode in the AvA, I think it will have to be accepted as some players love it and others don't find it to help them achive what motivates them to play the game as a pilot. The red Icon is something core to the general playability of the game. Wheather it's the players PC, their eyes, unwillingness to make the effort to see rapidly moving tiny silouetts, or whatever. Some players will never like playing in that mode. I used to have a freind who could not play Doom. The rapidly changing textures in the walls made him throw up after 15 minutes. I liked the game and played it for hours.
Personaly I like the no-Icon mode. When you ask people to take a survey, they assume a freedom from sensorship if they disagree with you. It's also to be expected that the manner of how they deliver thier disagreement with you might make you want to retort in defense. Since you gents are in control of the AvA, enjoy what you have achived and make the best of those who like your arena. If no-Icon mode is a passing thing. The numbers will dry up. If it's a winner, just accept some players won't show up for your parties.
At least you are trying to present a difference in the AvA even if it's by changing an expected standard to the game. Bet you guys didn't relaise just how important that one change is to the entire community.
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Well said Bustr.
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Gyrene and AvA Staff,
From reading the posts and responses to the no-Icon mode in the AvA, I think it will have to be accepted as some players love it and others don't find it to help them achive what motivates them to play the game as a pilot. The red Icon is something core to the general playability of the game. Wheather it's the players PC, their eyes, unwillingness to make the effort to see rapidly moving tiny silouetts, or whatever. Some players will never like playing in that mode. I used to have a freind who could not play Doom. The rapidly changing textures in the walls made him throw up after 15 minutes. I liked the game and played it for hours.
Personaly I like the no-Icon mode. When you ask people to take a survey, they assume a freedom from sensorship if they disagree with you. It's also to be expected that the manner of how they deliver thier disagreement with you might make you want to retort in defense. Since you gents are in control of the AvA, enjoy what you have achived and make the best of those who like your arena. If no-Icon mode is a passing thing. The numbers will dry up. If it's a winner, just accept some players won't show up for your parties.
At least you are trying to present a difference in the AvA even if it's by changing an expected standard to the game. Bet you guys didn't relaise just how important that one change is to the entire community.
i was in there tonight. i don't feel well, so i was playing with ground attack mode. shifty jumped me. i had absolutley no trouble tracking him. all i had to do was look out the back window of my pee38 o doom. he was always right there. :D :rofl
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I had a blast in there tonight...got one kill after being shot down like 10 times and still had fun. Icons or not, its who you fly with and against that makes it fun.
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LOL he tries to bring it back to "technically more accurate and historical" -- lol!
It's been proven mathematically, with real world examples, with optical discussions, that flying without icons is a vastly reduced level of details compared to what the human eyeball can make out in real life. Pretending you are being "realistic" is a shout in the face of what you see every day.
Sorry, you guys all lost that argument so many times that folks stopped telling you how wrong you were when you kept saying "nuh-uh!!" -- and it keeps creeping back into these AvA threads. It's that "attitude" that everyone talks about and dislikes...
"No icons are realistic, they're accurate, you suck if you don't like them, they make you a better more realistic pile-it!" <-- all of these comments keep coming up and have been proven wrong by so many people that know so much more than the folks plugging their ears and humming.
I get the idea of trying something new. Like say F3 mode in the AvA. Like an arena with stall limiter forced on, etc. It's good once in a while but the pretentious part is the airs you put on about these "no icons" settings. You're just stroking your own egoes and nobody wants to play with you when you get like this. One thing that would get me into the AvA a bit more* (and I've been burned many times) is a bit more humility in those running the place.
Filth was quite on the nose with his reply in the other thread. Very well said and articulated, Filth!
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For those who do not want their immersion upped, we have the DA, 2 late war, 1 mid war, 1 early and 3 WWI arenas, that is not to mention the scenarios, FSO, Wednesday snapshots and the SEC. Not everyone participates in all of them, and that is their option. If you want battles between just 2 sides and limited plane sets with enemy icons on, for a change of pace, there is ample opportunity. There are more choices available to the all icons on masses than there are for the no enemy icons few, why try and make us change the one option that started out as an experiment and created a different experience and has revitalized the game for some?
Hello Gyrene,
It was never a demand to change. It was a direct response to the Captain, as this is what he was after. I can and will adjust and frequent the AVA on occasion as a distraction to the normal MA's. However, I must say that making it an option, does not infringe on anyone but the person choosing to exercise it. Twas just a suggestion. I will argue that it is not the icon change that revitalized the AVA. It's the people like Captain1MA and folks who frequent it that creates an atmosphere you want to return to.
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LOL he tries to bring it back to "technically more accurate and historical" -- lol!
It's been proven mathematically, with real world examples, with optical discussions, that flying without icons is a vastly reduced level of details compared to what the human eyeball can make out in real life. Pretending you are being "realistic" is a shout in the face of what you see every day.
Sorry, you guys all lost that argument so many times that folks stopped telling you how wrong you were when you kept saying "nuh-uh!!" -- and it keeps creeping back into these AvA threads. It's that "attitude" that everyone talks about and dislikes...
"No icons are realistic, they're accurate, you suck if you don't like them, they make you a better more realistic pile-it!" <-- all of these comments keep coming up and have been proven wrong by so many people that know so much more than the folks plugging their ears and humming.
I get the idea of trying something new. Like say F3 mode in the AvA. Like an arena with stall limiter forced on, etc. It's good once in a while but the pretentious part is the airs you put on about these "no icons" settings. You're just stroking your own egoes and nobody wants to play with you when you get like this. One thing that would get me into the AvA a bit more* (and I've been burned many times) is a bit more humility in those running the place.
Filth was quite on the nose with his reply in the other thread. Very well said and articulated, Filth!
EDIT: * = icons or no
I love this guy.....he calls all of us pretentious? Talk about lack of humility...what a joke. Classic case of being here toooo long...."Ive seen, heard, done, been a part of" all that before and its wrong. Nice...lmao. Save us from ourselves oh Krusty....save us please.
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LOL he tries to bring it back to "technically more accurate and historical" -- lol!
It's been proven mathematically, with real world examples, with optical discussions, that flying without icons is a vastly reduced level of details compared to what the human eyeball can make out in real life. Pretending you are being "realistic" is a shout in the face of what you see every day.
Sorry, you guys all lost that argument so many times that folks stopped telling you how wrong you were when you kept saying "nuh-uh!!" -- and it keeps creeping back into these AvA threads. It's that "attitude" that everyone talks about and dislikes...
"No icons are realistic, they're accurate, you suck if you don't like them, they make you a better more realistic pile-it!" <-- all of these comments keep coming up and have been proven wrong by so many people that know so much more than the folks plugging their ears and humming.
I get the idea of trying something new. Like say F3 mode in the AvA. Like an arena with stall limiter forced on, etc. It's good once in a while but the pretentious part is the airs you put on about these "no icons" settings. You're just stroking your own egoes and nobody wants to play with you when you get like this. One thing that would get me into the AvA a bit more* (and I've been burned many times) is a bit more humility in those running the place.
Filth was quite on the nose with his reply in the other thread. Very well said and articulated, Filth!
EDIT: * = icons or no
i was in there again last night, playing around with blowing stuff up.
i saw nothing but friendly banter on open channel. no nasty attitudes, no "i'm uber and u suck" stuff. nothing.
i saw guys switching to even out sides, guys saluting each other for good fights, and guys generally having fun.
this is 2 for 2 now in the plus column.
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LOL, still trying to incorporate the horse comment into this discussion. :headscratch: Therein lies the old problem and attitude with the AVA to begin with. Well it's not for you... The truth is, it is for every paying subscriber, so why not at least respond to the the information that Captain1MA asked for. The response I received was, well it's probably not for you. This sounds an awful lot like the personal playground we had before. Let me say this, I am in no way impuning Capt or yourself, just discussing here Shuff. I will continue to try it off and on, but I feel that adding icons would improve it. Having enemy icons was not the reason it was a ghost town, nor is it totally responsible for it's revival. It is the people and their behavior.
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Way
You read alot of your feeling into what I was posting.
Let me put it this way....
You either like the room or you don't Some of you have posted you go there because you like it but then you complain about it and want it to change. Why go to a room that you don't like and say you like it then try to change it?
That is like a woman getting married to a guy who treats her like crap because she thinks he will change.
I don't care for the WWI arena. Went there to check it out a few times when new. I don't care for it so guess what.... I no longer go there.
As for making it my room.... no... I fly in it as it is... you on the other hand are trying to change it to more resemble what YOU want.
As for horses..... we have lots of horses here in Texas. I'm just postin the way I'd tell you if you were here.
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Why go to a room that you don't like and say you like it then try to change it?
Hello Shuffler,
I never said I don't like it Shuffler. It's actually new and different, therefore a cool new challenge. Please page all the way to the top of this thread. The part where Captain1MA is asking our thoughts on the AVA.
Questions:
1. what would it take for you or your squad to frequent the AVA 1 night or more a week?
2. what do you like about the AVA, if anything? (Please speak from experience)
3. what do you dislike about the AVA, if anything? (again, please speak from experience)
I am answering his questions directly, and you seem to view at as my wanting a change. It is simply honest feedback. Do I expect the change or I'll take my football and leave? No. I was in the AVA the last few nights running. Enjoyed myself thouroughly.
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Way
PS-I would have got the horse thing if you converted to alligators as we have a lot of them here in Florida! :lol
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Flew in AvA last night as well.
Loved it.
I really liked the No Icon, made it very tough to see targets on the deck. In fact I think I was stall fighting someone [Rammey?] and lost sight of him only to find him 2 minutes later, on my six, shooting me down. When approaching a furball, you weren't sure who was friendly and who was enemy. Which raises a question....would the next evolution be to get rid of friendly icons completely as well? Id love to try that too...
"Hey...guy in 109..check six! No not you ...the other guy....flying SW of my position at [Boom!]...oh never mind."
And to Krusty's point I would say realism comes in many forms. Even accepting the point that it's harder to see a plane in the game [without icons] than real life, think about communicaton between pilots, SA, and how difficult that was when everyone's name wasn't floating above their heads in neon green lights. The disipline of formation flying was, in part, to know where your teamates were because you couldn't just look out the window and know that was Joe Blow a mile off in the distance. You had to dedicate a lot of resources to keeping track of who was who. Something you're freed up from having to do with icons. My personal opinion is that is a greater influence on game play than the optical resolusional differences are.
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Hello Shuffler,
I never said I don't like it Shuffler. It's actually new and different, therefore a cool new challenge. Please page all the way to the top of this thread. The part where Captain1MA is asking our thoughts on the AVA. I am answering his questions directly, and you seem to view at as my wanting a change. It is simply honest feedback. Do I expect the change or I'll take my football and leave? No. I was in the AVA the last few nights running. Enjoyed myself thouroughly.
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Way
PS-I would have got the horse thing if you converted to alligators as we have a lot of them here in Florida! :lol
Baaah alligators are hard to ride. :P
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and ornery because they have big teeth..that's what mama says
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The question is what will it take to get more folks in the AvA. The problem I see with the AvA is the planes sets and the historial aspect of it. I mentioned in another thread about how adding the full plane set would be a good idea. And I still stand behind that statement....to a degree. I don't mean having Ki61s or nikis at the BoB or 109s at Midway, but rather the full plane set for that respective country in the battle.
It's great that the AvA staff want to keep everything historically correct, but why not have the historical stuff as special events and have the players allowed to choose their own Axis or Allied ride at other times in there.
The arena is just too restrictive. It's like ENY hell in there. People complain about the ENY in the MAs. Does anyone really believe they will go to the AvA and fly a B5N when they're tired of the ENY somewhere else?
I say make it a true AvA arena and let the 2 sides duke it out. Historical battles are awesome but as I said before, make them a special event...not the norm. Do away with ENY, caps and all the other stuff the players come to the boards to complain about, and lets see what happens. Yeah it might flop, but what if it works out? I think most of us can agree that the way things stand in there now, it's not attracting players. try something different.
And Slash if you're reading this, I'm not trying to step on any toes here man. I'm just wanting to share my thoughts on the AvA and what can be done to make it a better arena for us all to enjoy. The maps are the best in the game IMO and most people don't even see them because they log on to see 5 in the arena and don't even bother checking it out. I know you guys work hard to keep it going but if you want folks to get in there and play, you have to come up with something different then what we have now. :salute
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sorry didnt see this post until it was too late. heres my reply to you.
1 when was the last time you flew in the AVA?
2 where were you last week and the week before when there were 20-30 people in there every night, with the AVA's "crappy" planeset?
3. why do you presume to know so much about an arena you either don't, or won't have anything to do with?
to be honest we have alot of stuff going on in there. that arena isn't for everyone, but the ones that go in there, enjoy it. we do have full setups with the late war planes, but each setup is unique. thats the beauty of it, not flying uber planes all the time. it forces people to learn planes they normally don't fly. not your cup of tea? no problem. to each his own.
maybe you should get involved with the AVA just a bit more, before beating it up. :salute
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Ok fair enough. But why post a question about what peoples opinion are about the AvA in the general discussion forum if you don't want opinions as to why some won't fly in there? You asked the questions and I replyed. You don't like my reply so now you're insulted.
1. Last time i was in the AvA for this BIG mission you advertised, it was to escort bombers with 51b. I get on the runway with everyone else and low and behold your PonyAce buddy has the only D model in the crowd WTF is up with that? That pretty much did it for me and your private arena.
2. 20 or 30 people!!!!!! woot! and laaaadeee friggin daaaaaa. what is that 10 or 15 to a side.! woot it's a party! Sounds like a busy nite in early war to me.
3. True enough I don't go in there anymore for the reasons I've already stated. As far as me only flying uber planes? Lets see, this weekend I flew a P40E, P39, 38s J&L, P47d11,51b as well as the D. I can't remember the last time i used perk points. So I really don't need to be forced to fly anything. But I do want that choice to be mine and not yours.
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The question is what will it take to get more folks in the AvA. The problem I see with the AvA is the planes sets and the historial aspect of it. I mentioned in another thread about how adding the full plane set would be a good idea. And I still stand behind that statement....to a degree. I don't mean having Ki61s or nikis at the BoB or 109s at Midway, but rather the full plane set for that respective country in the battle.
It's great that the AvA staff want to keep everything historically correct, but why not have the historical stuff as special events and have the players allowed to choose their own Axis or Allied ride at other times in there.
The arena is just too restrictive. It's like ENY hell in there. People complain about the ENY in the MAs. Does anyone really believe they will go to the AvA and fly a B5N when they're tired of the ENY somewhere else?
I say make it a true AvA arena and let the 2 sides duke it out. Historical battles are awesome but as I said before, make them a special event...not the norm. Do away with ENY, caps and all the other stuff the players come to the boards to complain about, and lets see what happens. Yeah it might flop, but what if it works out? I think most of us can agree that the way things stand in there now, it's not attracting players. try something different.
And Slash if you're reading this, I'm not trying to step on any toes here man. I'm just wanting to share my thoughts on the AvA and what can be done to make it a better arena for us all to enjoy. The maps are the best in the game IMO and most people don't even see them because they log on to see 5 in the arena and don't even bother checking it out. I know you guys work hard to keep it going but if you want folks to get in there and play, you have to come up with something different then what we have now. :salute
i understand what you're trying to say. but as for eny......one of my squaddies made a comment about eny the other night. it was too high to get a 38j or l(i think...i saw this on squad channel, as i was in a different arena). he didn't complain though, he just said he'd take a "G" instead.
i believe that the majority of the players that complain about eny are those that are only willing to fly the "top shelf" aircraft, and possibly have never flown the lower capability aircraft. i know there will be exceptions to this.
look at imadot.......the dude flys spit1 and hurri1, and schools guys in 190's and mustangs. and he has a friggin blast doing it. i haven't seen him in quite awhile, but there was 1duke1.......in a p-40 schooling AND out turning guys in spitfires.
i was somewhat afraid to try the ava, as i don't get much flight time. i thought i was gonna go in there, and find zero fun, thus wasting my time. rangers map, plus the talking about it here lured me in there. it was/is a welcome break from the arcade style play that is developing in the main arenas. i mean....c'mon.......i friggin hate spitfires(flying em that is), and feel like i need a toxic shower to wash the spitfire off of me every time i do fly one(which technically i do when there's a cv vs base battle, as i fly the seafire from the cv).
yet, i flew the spit5 friday night, and had fun in it. i flew a couple in the hurri2 also.........and i jumped a guy trying to raid one of our bases. that was fun, 'cause here i am a little above him, trying to set up the perfect "pounce", without giving my presence away. stalking so to speak. i got him, although i missed on my first burst.
i know that it's not for everyone.....and i don't see myself flying in there exclusively. it's just another way to have a different kind of fun, mixed in with a little more immersion. it's also where i got the storylines i used in those other posts i did.
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Do I need to start posting again? Seems all the AvA lovers were on vacation last week :rofl
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Thanks for being civil Cap :salute What gets me about the AvA staff is that they post a thread on what can they do to get folks interested in the AvA then they turn around in the same breath and say "well it may not be your cup of tea" or "to each his own". I make a comment or two and Captain1ma and Slash get offended and act as if I've never stepped foot in the place or I'm wanting everyone to play my way.
I just looked and there is 0 in the arena right now. Wtf is up with that? Is it not open? Is it closed until Captain1ma decides we can play? If the arena is so so great then why is it empty? It seems to me I'm not the only one that don't like their "cup of tea". But they don't want to hear that. They want us to believe that the 20 or 30 guys in there on occasion are right and the other 2500 or so of us are the ones that have it all wrong. But hey they must be right. They're "AvA STAFF".
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actually i checked first, you haven't been in there in atleast 9 months. so ill ask the question, what what it take to get you or your squad in there more then once a week if at all? if your only thing is not having all the planes turned on, then I'm very sorry to disappoint you but it won't happen.
Maybe some day you will change your mind and give it a try. i hope to see you in there sometime. :salute
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The question is what will it take to get more folks in the AvA. The problem I see with the AvA is the planes sets and the historial aspect of it. I mentioned in another thread about how adding the full plane set would be a good idea. And I still stand behind that statement....to a degree. I don't mean having Ki61s or nikis at the BoB or 109s at Midway, but rather the full plane set for that respective country in the battle.
Thanks for your interest, Uptown. This particular problem may be insoluable. If you have, for example, the entire Japanese plane set against the entire US plane set, you can hardly call the match historic in any real sense of the word. Niks didn't fly in the Battle of Britain, and they didn't fly at Midway, either. On the other hand you are clearly correct that many people won't fly AvA because they can't always fly their favorite planes. The nature of the arena will always be self-limiting in that sense.
We've actually tried all-Axis v all-Allied on a few occasions. It holds peoples' attention for a night, sometimes two, but not for very long thereafter. Couldn't tell you why, really, although I've heard very second-hand that Warbirds had a problem with this as well. Just wanted you to know that your idea wasn't one that the staff hadn't given thought to.
Keep 'em coming, though, please!
- oldman
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I can understand Uptowns desire to have more plane choices. I'm just not sure if people would choose AvA over MA just because they can fly any plane from that countries inventory, you would still be restricted to one side or the other.
I once toyed with the idea of a spit map, say ETO on one side and PTO on the other.
I even played with the terrain editor and built a 30,000 foot wall of water down the center.
I then set a downdraft wind layer at 28,000 feet and there was no way to fly over the wall.
That would keep Zero's away from Berlin and it would give 4 different plane sets and two scenarios for people to try.
Even if we could get such a map approved, would that draw anyone? or would it just further split an already small population.
Plus with only 3 chess pieces, it would be pretty hard to tell from the roster who was flying on what side of the map.
It was a fun idea to think about though.
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I haven't been to the AvA for quite some time. Went there last night and had fun for the most part. Takes a lot of getting used to when there are no enemy icons - man you take your eye of him for a second and you won't see him again until he's tearing off your tail.
One thing I see as a potential problem is even though you get a chance to fly under new rules with planes you might not normally fly, you can't get away from the MA mentality of some guys that show up. You can change everything except people...
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Thanks for being civil Cap :salute What gets me about the AvA staff is that they post a thread on what can they do to get folks interested in the AvA then they turn around in the same breath and say "well it may not be your cup of tea" or "to each his own". I make a comment or two and Captain1ma and Slash get offended and act as if I've never stepped foot in the place or I'm wanting everyone to play my way.
I just looked and there is 0 in the arena right now. Wtf is up with that? Is it not open? Is it closed until Captain1ma decides we can play? If the arena is so so great then why is it empty? It seems to me I'm not the only one that don't like their "cup of tea". But they don't want to hear that. They want us to believe that the 20 or 30 guys in there on occasion are right and the other 2500 or so of us are the ones that have it all wrong. But hey they must be right. They're "AvA STAFF".
I can't in my own mind be anything but civil to ya sir. you've never given me a reason not to me. :aok
i think that more than anything, they're asking for everyone to give it a chance. i don't interpret them as saying you all are wrong, although i could be wrong.
when i went in there friday night, there were 0 in there. i went in, and was gonna teach myself to bomb using the manual calibration that's necessary in there. but lo and behold, some others logged in. granted, it was only 4 or 5 of us.....but in the small area, it was some quick fun.
that being said, i flew there for a bit, logged out, did some chores around the house, ate, then logged into mw. :salute
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actually i checked first, you haven't been in there in atleast 9 months. so ill ask the question, what what it take to get you or your squad in there more then once a week if at all? if your only thing is not having all the planes turned on, then I'm very sorry to disappoint you but it won't happen.
Maybe some day you will change your mind and give it a try. i hope to see you in there sometime. :salute
capt....here's a question/idea......
i saw the ww1 thread. they had the idea of a ww1 arena night. what if you combined their idea with uptowns? 1 night a week, enable the plane set as uptown suggests?
just a thought.........
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capt....here's a question/idea......
i saw the ww1 thread. they had the idea of a ww1 arena night. what if you combined their idea with uptowns? 1 night a week, enable the plane set as uptown suggests?
just a thought.........
:aok :aok :aok
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I haven't been to the AvA for quite some time. Went there last night and had fun for the most part. Takes a lot of getting used to when there are no enemy icons - man you take your eye of him for a second and you won't see him again until he's tearing off your tail.
One thing I see as a potential problem is even though you get a chance to fly under new rules with planes you might not normally fly, you can't get away from the MA mentality of some guys that show up. You can change everything except people...
know what's funny? in the 38, when i go up, trying to rope a con......i almost always lose sight for a second. in ma, i got the icon to help me re-acquire him. not so here.,......it kilt me once or twice. :rofl :aok
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capt....here's a question/idea......
i saw the ww1 thread. they had the idea of a ww1 arena night. what if you combined their idea with uptowns? 1 night a week, enable the plane set as uptown suggests?
just a thought.........
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know what's funny? in the 38, when i go up, trying to rope a con......i almost always lose sight for a second. in ma, i got the icon to help me re-acquire him. not so here.,......it kilt me once or twice. :rofl :aok
get eye surgery? :headscratch: i never seem to have a problem with no icons unless the enemy is right on the deck speeding at 400mph
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get eye surgery? :headscratch: i never seem to have a problem with no icons unless the enemy is right on the deck speeding at 400mph
nah....it was on my first time in there. the booms ca block your view, and the couple times i lost sight, when i went and looked where i expected to see them, they weren't there.
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I've always had a great interest in a AvA arena. Hell I got into this game because I thought CT was going to happen. The plane set doesn't really bother me. What keeps me away, and probably most others, is the low numbers in there. 20 or 30 players logged on in the AvA may be good by the AvAs standards but it's pretty sparse when most players are use to flying with 2, 3 or 400 people on any given night.
I wish I had the answer that was acceptable to everyone to get folks in there. Because I really do believe there's more fun to be had in there as opposed to the mains. I think adding more planes is the answer to attract more people. Can't the arena be setup like the TA with different sectors, except divided into time periods and have 2,3 or 4 different battles going on at once? 40-41 in one corner, 42-43 in another and 44-45 in the other?
I know it sounds nutty but surely there must be some way to get the full plane set available to the players. Once you get people in there that might peak their interest into the other lesser known planes and find out they're just as fun. And they might learn a little something about history while they're at it.
I heard a guy the other night crying about how the 3 country setup sucks. I suggested he go to the AvA, his reply was "they don't have LA7s". Personally I think if you want people to log in there you're going to have to offer something they want to fly and be competitive in. Add the big guns and fast planes and people will come. Folks flock to the orange arena because that's where the big fights are. Big fights are there because it offers something for everyone, not because there's 3 sides instead of 2.
The historical aspect of the arena is great but sometimes history can be ....well boring. :salute
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Can't the arena be setup like the TA with different sectors, except divided into time periods and have 2,3 or 4 different battles going on at once? 40-41 in one corner, 42-43 in another and 44-45 in the other?
Well, to have separate sectors would require new maps much like the one I described.
I once toyed with the idea of a spit map, say ETO on one side and PTO on the other.
I even played with the terrain editor and built a 30,000 foot wall of water down the center.
I then set a downdraft wind layer at 28,000 feet and there was no way to fly over the wall.
That would keep Zero's away from Berlin and it would give 4 different plane sets and two scenarios for people to try.
Even if we could get such a map approved, would that draw anyone? or would it just further split an already small population.
Plus with only 3 chess pieces, it would be pretty hard to tell from the roster who was flying on what side of the map.
It was a fun idea to think about though.
It is theoretically possible to have walled off sections like I described, but would HTC ever approve such maps and would there be enough people to fly a 2,3 or 4 arena in one set up?
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You're still separating players - what difference is it whether it's by a map or an arena? 40 people in one corner of a map not being able to affect any other players anywhere else on the map is no better than an arena just for them. Why would you encourage 150 people into an arena only to limit where they can fly in it?
I'd be willing to bet there would be some that bring their favorite LW uber-bird across the map, refuel and then wreak havoc in a section where they aren't supposed to be.
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You're still separating players - what difference is it whether it's by a map or an arena? 40 people in one corner of a map not being able to affect any other players anywhere else on the map is no better than an arena just for them.
That's true, it would basically be like separate arenas.
I'd be willing to bet there would be some that bring their favorite LW uber-bird across the map, refuel and then wreak havoc in a section where they aren't supposed to be.
If you had walls like I built on my test terrain, no one could bring their planes to a different area.
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll149/jimsom88/wall2.jpg)
It is an interesting idea, I just don't think you could draw enough players to populate the different sectors of the map.
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Can't the arena be setup like the TA with different sectors, except divided into time periods and have 2,3 or 4 different battles going on at once?
We did this once, too, for a week. Had an early war set between two bases on one edge of the map, a mid-war setup in the center, late war on the other side. Wish I could remember, almost think it was the Burma map. Like other new ideas, it received a lot of attention for a couple of nights, then people stopped coming. Oddly enough everyone kept to the spirit of things, so there were no grab-a-Ki84-and-fly-it-to-the-early-war-side types.
Part of the retention problem was map related, because some of the bases were (for once) too close together, so that you were taking off into the other base's ack. The value of the idea is that it brings people into the AvA and, once there, they occasionally switch time periods. It's something that we might try again sometime, I think.
If the history part gets boring: hey, that comes with the territory. There was a day when the history part was the big draw, and it remains the core of the arena's personality.
- oldman
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i know this isn't the basic topic of htis thread..........but oh well.......
i went into the ava tonight....there were only 2 or 3 others when i logged in. i wanted to do some ground attack, so i flew a hurri to a v-base. friggin grumpy that sneaky bastage! popped me a half dozen times from one of the manned guns. i dunno how, 'cause i can't hit anything from them, but he added challenge to that.
finally got em all down, so i went north, and grabbed a p-40. first off....what a friggin WRECK!!! squeaky flaps, no power, chipped paint...sheesh. i think i got spoiled in my pee38 o doom.
anyway, ended up about 10 of us in between 4 bases. now, before you all say that's nothing......this map is small. a couple sectors would only take a couple of minutes. it was constant fighting. twizzty broke my creaky ole p-40, so with (REVENGE...REVENGE.....REVENGG GGGGGGEEEEEEEE) running through my head, i headed back out, flapping hard as i could, and kinda sorta almost might've picked him outta his fight with panos. :noid :devil
got into a fight with longbow<<S>>.....friggin EXCELLENT 109 driver...probably some of the best i've seen....... got rammed by rammy, who promptly apologized...and i told him to not sweat it, 'cause he had "E" on me, so i cut my turn early, and misjudged...so it was as much my own fault as his......i saw pangea in there, but didn't get to fight him....which was prolly good for me ego, as we all know he's one of the best 109 drivers out there too.
there was puma44, 78thboom, and some other good guys too.
it was really a good night.
i forgot to add a few things.......puma44...i think i ho'd ya once........and i do apologize for that. it wasn't delibret......i couldn't tell which way you were going.
longbow........i just watched the film of our fight.....i can't believe you were moving that 109 like that, with oil and blood all over the windscreen. that single fight made the night sir. <<S>>
and twizzty......i'm kinda almost sorry for picking you......sorta.
definitly a great bunch o guys to fly with. :aok
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i know this isn't the basic topic of htis thread..........but oh well.......
i went into the ava tonight....there were only 2 or 3 others when i logged in. i wanted to do some ground attack, so i flew a hurri to a v-base. friggin grumpy that sneaky bastage! popped me a half dozen times from one of the manned guns. i dunno how, 'cause i can't hit anything from them, but he added challenge to that.
finally got em all down, so i went north, and grabbed a p-40. first off....what a friggin WRECK!!! squeaky flaps, no power, chipped paint...sheesh. i think i got spoiled in my pee38 o doom.
anyway, ended up about 10 of us in between 4 bases. now, before you all say that's nothing......this map is small. a couple sectors would only take a couple of minutes. it was constant fighting. twizzty broke my creaky ole p-40, so with (REVENGE...REVENGE.....REVENGG GGGGGGEEEEEEEE) running through my head, i headed back out, flapping hard as i could, and kinda sorta almost might've picked him outta his fight with panos. :noid :devil
got into a fight with longbow<<S>>.....friggin EXCELLENT 109 driver...probably some of the best i've seen....... got rammed by rammy, who promptly apologized...and i told him to not sweat it, 'cause he had "E" on me, so i cut my turn early, and misjudged...so it was as much my own fault as his......i saw pangea in there, but didn't get to fight him....which was prolly good for me ego, as we all know he's one of the best 109 drivers out there too.
there was puma44, 78thboom, and some other good guys too.
it was really a good night.
i forgot to add a few things.......puma44...i think i ho'd ya once........and i do apologize for that. it wasn't delibret......i couldn't tell which way you were going.
longbow........i just watched the film of our fight.....i can't believe you were moving that 109 like that, with oil and blood all over the windscreen. that single fight made the night sir. <<S>>
and twizzty......i'm kinda almost sorry for picking you......sorta.
definitly a great bunch o guys to fly with. :aok
I know, I am going to be the bad guy again for stating the obvious, but do you see the problem with the AvA?
In summary, you went into an arena with 2 or 3 guys and:
You shot at buildings,
Got killed by maned ack,
You picked someone involved in a fight,
Had a great collision,
But at list you did it realistically since there were no icons :aok
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I know, I am going to be the bad guy again for stating the obvious, but do you see the problem with the AvA?
In summary, you went into an arena with 2 or 3 guys and:
You shot at buildings,
Got killed by maned ack,
You picked someone involved in a fight,
Had a great collision,
But at list you did it realistically since there were no icons :aok
Ah, thanks for clearing this up for me. I've been in the AvA a few times before, and spent the last couple of evenings there. I thought it was an arena to do what you wanted, within the arena settings and planesets provided. According to you, it sounds like there should only be airspawns with no ground or bases. It should be set up so only 2 guys can be in the arena (or at least a sector) at any one time (and on opposite sides) so they can private duel all night long.
Rgr that.
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you missed the point dedalos, there were only a few guys, then because there were a few guys in there, a few more came in. the numbers rise because he actually went into the AVA and played, and this helped other people see that there actually were people in there.
all you need is a small population and other people will come, because there are people in there. so he went in and he had, what was his idea of fun, and it became more fun, because more people came.
so to that respect, to those of you that are curious about the AVA, go in and try it out, fly around, blow up buildings, dog fight and have fun. its like a field of dreams, build it and they will come. populate it and more people will come.
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Ah, thanks for clearing this up for me. I've been in the AvA a few times before, and spent the last couple of evenings there. I thought it was an arena to do what you wanted, within the arena settings and planesets provided. According to you, it sounds like there should only be airspawns with no ground or bases. It should be set up so only 2 guys can be in the arena (or at least a sector) at any one time (and on opposite sides) so they can private duel all night long.
Rgr that.
I m glad we understand each other :rofl
You can do what you want, but if you fight buildings and pick when 3 or 4 guys are there, do not expect the arena to have any numbers. We can get that in the MA. What exactly is it that makes it special? Oh, I forgot, no icons == easier to pick :aok
And why is it empty again? I understand it is because people don;t go there so others don;t follow, but why people that go there don't stay?
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you missed the point dedalos, there were only a few guys, then because there were a few guys in there, a few more came in. the numbers rise because he actually went into the AVA and played, and this helped other people see that there actually were people in there.
all you need is a small population and other people will come, because there are people in there. so he went in and he had, what was his idea of fun, and it became more fun, because more people came.
so to that respect, to those of you that are curious about the AVA, go in and try it out, fly around, blow up buildings, dog fight and have fun. its like a field of dreams, build it and they will come. populate it and more people will come.
Roger that.
It's a good way to get something started.
Sometimes I go in alone and start practicing some ground attack stuff or bombing and it's not long before I have a few guys to fight with.
You need practice dive bombing? Skip the TA, go in AvA, grab an unfamiliar plane and have some fun!
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I know, I am going to be the bad guy again for stating the obvious, but do you see the problem with the AvA?
In summary, you went into an arena with 2 or 3 guys and:
You shot at buildings,
Got killed by maned ack,
You picked someone involved in a fight,
Had a great collision,
But at list you did it realistically since there were no icons :aok
you missed the point. that was the beginning. the night ended in great battles on evenly matched sides.
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Kind of like poking a stick in a hornets nest eh cap?
I'm looking forward to tonights ruckus :D
Win, lose, or draw, I know I'm going to laugh and learn a few things that will come in handy in the future. <S>
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Would it be possible to give an annoucement in the MAs to let folks know you have some action about to happen in there? You know like when a special event or KOTH is about to start up. That too might help in getting poeple over there that otherwise wouldn't know about it. Maybe some from the boards here that complain about the hoardes, caps and ENY in the late war arenas might want to check it out too.
I'll see if I can round some guys up for the weekend. :salute
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I m glad we understand each other :rofl
You can do what you want, but if you fight buildings and pick when 3 or 4 guys are there, do not expect the arena to have any numbers. We can get that in the MA. What exactly is it that makes it special? Oh, I forgot, no icons == easier to pick :aok
And why is it empty again? I understand it is because people don;t go there so others don;t follow, but why people that go there don't stay?
be advised......i only picked twizzty for 2 reasons. 1) because i got in trouble with my cartoon crewchief, for letting him break my squeaky old p-40, and 2) because right now, that's the only way i can beat him. :devil
oh yea....and 3) because i could. :rofl
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Would it be possible to give an annoucement in the MAs to let folks know you have some action about to happen in there? You know like when a special event or KOTH is about to start up. That too might help in getting poeple over there that otherwise wouldn't know about it. Maybe some from the boards here that complain about the hoardes, caps and ENY in the late war arenas might want to check it out too.
I'll see if I can round some guys up for the weekend. :salute
thats a great idea uptown! ill try it sometime and see what happens.
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Roger that.
It's a good way to get something started.
Sometimes I go in alone and start practicing some ground attack stuff or bombing and it's not long before I have a few guys to fight with.
You need practice dive bombing? Skip the TA, go in AvA, grab an unfamiliar plane and have some fun!
the ta has its place.,.......but you are right. this place is a hundred times better for practicing, as you get the full effect.
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Would it be possible to give an annoucement in the MAs to let folks know you have some action about to happen in there? You know like when a special event or KOTH is about to start up. That too might help in getting poeple over there that otherwise wouldn't know about it. Maybe some from the boards here that complain about the hoardes, caps and ENY in the late war arenas might want to check it out too.
I'll see if I can round some guys up for the weekend. :salute
that is actually a very good idea.
also, i put forth the idea of the 80th invading this arena one night. i've gotten a couple of positive responses.........could you possibly let us know when the next time pee38's will be in the rotation, so i can inform them?
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be advised......i only picked twizzty for 2 reasons. 1) because i got in trouble with my cartoon crewchief, for letting him break my squeaky old p-40, and 2) because right now, that's the only way i can beat him. :devil
oh yea....and 3) because i could. :rofl
All good reasons that promoted good fights and a lot of learning on your part.
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you missed the point dedalos, there were only a few guys, then because there were a few guys in there, a few more came in. the numbers rise because he actually went into the AVA and played, and this helped other people see that there actually were people in there.
I agree, but if I log in because I see 4 or 5 guys in the arena and I see them practicing ack killing, I may get the wrong impression and log off.
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be advised......i only picked twizzty for 2 reasons. 1) because i got in trouble with my cartoon crewchief, for letting him break my squeaky old p-40, and 2) because right now, that's the only way i can beat him. :devil
oh yea....and 3) because i could. :rofl
Well let me say that Twizzty is a buddy of mine. Since we have that out of the way, you better kill the dude anyway you can. He is hell to fight no matter what he is in when you run into him. Me and twizzty have killed eachother in some many different ways over the last few years, it almost always results in some sort of joke around PMing back and forth. Ain't that the way it should be all the time?
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All good reasons that promoted good fights and a lot of learning on your part.
the learning came later against the likes of twizzty in his 110 again, longbow in his 109, puma and grumpy in their 109's..........and to be honest, yes, i DID learn a LOT fighting against those guys. they're all great sticks.
when i logged out, i intended to go to bed, but instead, watched the film against longbow....and i'm gonna watch it again tonight. that was the most fun fight i've had in ages.
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I agree, but if I log in because I see 4 or 5 guys in the arena and I see them practicing ack killing, I may get the wrong impression and log off.
from what i know of you, i think you're not being serious here.
when i logged in, i was the only one doing ack killing. once more came in, i joined into the fight, and we all had a great night of dogfighting.
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Well let me say that Twizzty is a buddy of mine. Since we have that out of the way, you better kill the dude anyway you can. He is hell to fight no matter what he is in when you run into him. Me and twizzty have killed eachother in some many different ways over the last few years, it almost always results in some sort of joke around PMing back and forth. Ain't that the way it should be all the time?
yea i know.
i merged with him for my last fight of the night. him 110, me p40. i thought....."heh...110...easy kill".. :rofl :rofl pretty friggin stupid of me. we ended up on the deck in a knife fight, and the only reason he didn't kill me, is because he stalled into the dirt before i did. it was pure luck. had the fight gone on for another few seconds, he'd have schooled me again.
like i keep trying to say......all fun fights, and much much more respectful than i expected, and than in the main arenas. :aok
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All good reasons that promoted good fights and a lot of learning on your part.
instead of your incessant whining about how bad it is in there, why dont you go in and teach guys like cap1 how to fight using "ACM" instead of picking! Or atleast try to help them get better at ACM.you're always good to throw a comment, how about putting your money where you mouth is!? you always sound like a girl with a broken fingernail. sheesh!
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from what i know of you, i think you're not being serious here.
when i logged in, i was the only one doing ack killing. once more came in, i joined into the fight, and we all had a great night of dogfighting.
check pm
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Dedalos, someone might listen to what you have to say if there was any content higher than too dumb for words included...it's not happening now. You're an arcade xbox wannabe ace fighter pile-it, enjoy yourself, nobody is telling you not to. Those that want to do something different to get away from the arcade fly the super uber duper red icon horde vacuum are doing so in the AvA.
So what if there aren't 3 or 4 hundred other clowns in there? More than 1 person who piped in on this discussion have whined elsewhere about things like arena caps, hordes, gang bangs, ENY, and what they think isn't realistic about getting 1 shot to the tower from some dweeb several thousand feet away in whatever it was. The AvA offers exactly what it should, historical setups with limited plane sets, and as much realistic aerial combat simulation as the programming code and computer technology allows without costing each person $100,000 for a home simulation system.
There has always been a low number of people interested in the AvA, and doing things the way a few in this discussion mentioned didn't increase the numbers of regulars. But the no enemy icons and a new map created specifically for the AvA has brought about more interest. Before the change to no enemy icons there was much less interest, more suitable maps will help improve the setups and therefore increase the numbers. It's not supposed to be like the main arenas.
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instead of your incessant whining about how bad it is in there, why dont you go in and teach guys like cap1 how to fight using "ACM" instead of picking! Or atleast try to help them get better at ACM.you're always good to throw a comment, how about putting your money where you mouth is!? you always sound like a girl with a broken fingernail. sheesh!
Bahahaha, I do. I like the place but I don;t like some of the settings (icons) and the MA mentality. Think of it this way. With icons on, I can keep teaching them repeatedly since if I do see them coming they will die (learning of course :rofl). I think it takes away from their learning experience when they can come back looking to pick you after you kill them. Give them a chance to learn :lol See? All the things I do for you guys and I never get a thank you :cry
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Dedalos, someone might listen to what you have to say if there was any content higher than too dumb for words included...it's not happening now. You're an arcade xbox wannabe ace fighter pile-it, enjoy yourself, nobody is telling you not to. Those that want to do something different to get away from the arcade fly the super uber duper red icon horde vacuum are doing so in the AvA.
And you can get away from the arcade by killing ack and picking people that never had a chance to see you coming, due to some misconception that a dead rising to seek revenge should not be seen?
:aok
So, why is the place empty again? We had a week with steady 20 guys and then last week nothing. Maybe I m missing the crowds since I log in around 9pm central? :lol
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1 More Axis v Allies Challenge Senario's
2 more aircraft vairients ( as the last time i was in it was a North African Map and o spits as i believe theSpit mk3 or 4 was in North Africa. )
3 I dont realy dislike it apart from the lack of players :)
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Bahahaha, I do. I like the place but I don;t like some of the settings (icons) and the MA mentality. Think of it this way. With icons on, I can keep teaching them repeatedly since if I do see them coming they will die (learning of course :rofl). I think it takes away from their learning experience when they can come back looking to pick you after you kill them. Give them a chance to learn :lol See? All the things I do for you guys and I never get a thank you :cry
ok......here's one of the biggest things i'm finally learning.
i'm not watching the distance tick off to decide when to take a shot. i'm learning to judge that by the profile i see. i'm learning to better keep my eye on the bad guy. in the ma's i tend to let them out of my sight for a split second sometimes, 'cause i have that big red banner that makes it crazy easy to re-acquire them.
i'm learning(in the fights last night) better rudder control, and better observation of what the bad guy is about to do, and doing better at predicting. i'm learning better low speed control of my aircraft, and better energy management.
so yes, there is quite a bit of learning going on. and there were 1-1's, 3-3's, and just great fights.
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i'm learning to better keep my eye on the bad guy. in the ma's i tend to let them out of my sight for a split second sometimes, 'cause i have that big red banner that makes it crazy easy to re-acquire them.
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and doing better at predicting.
These two are linked. I'm getting better at predicting, too, simply because if I don't I will lose sight.
- oldman
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And you can get away from the arcade by killing ack and picking people that never had a chance to see you coming, due to some misconception that a dead rising to seek revenge should not be seen?
You must be talking about someone else, I don't kill ack unless someone has decided to try and take a base and if you need assistance with your situational awareness, don't blame someone for successfully sneaking up on you. I'm not as 1337 as you are but I don't have a problem seeing someone trying to pounce on me, even when I'm trying to shoot someone else down.
So, why is the place empty again? We had a week with steady 20 guys and then last week nothing. Maybe I m missing the crowds since I log in around 9pm central? :lol
Setups have a lot to do with people deciding to fly in the AvA. If you have a valid recommendation on a historical setup you would like to see done in the AvA, feel free to post it in the AvA forum.
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These two are linked. I'm getting better at predicting, too, simply because if I don't I will lose sight.
- oldman
agreed. same here. it's amazing how easily you can lose a con below you in the background. i kind of wonder if it was like that in r/l too.
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ok......here's one of the biggest things i'm finally learning.
i'm not watching the distance tick off to decide when to take a shot. i'm learning to judge that by the profile i see. i'm learning to better keep my eye on the bad guy. in the ma's i tend to let them out of my sight for a split second sometimes, 'cause i have that big red banner that makes it crazy easy to re-acquire them.
i'm learning(in the fights last night) better rudder control, and better observation of what the bad guy is about to do, and doing better at predicting. i'm learning better low speed control of my aircraft, and better energy management.
so yes, there is quite a bit of learning going on. and there were 1-1's, 3-3's, and just great fights.
Who said I lose site of the guy I am fighting or that I need the icon to tell me when to shoot? You have seen the shots I take. There is no time to read any icons. The problem starts when he starts crying for help and two or more of his bodies come hiding in the terrain. With icons on, I can see the red and prepare for the gang bang and they can learn in the process of kill shooting them selves or crashing or extending lol. Thats all I am looking for, a chance to see that they are coming.
That also allows me to fly a p40 or other under powered planes. We want that right? More variety? We can pump this place all we want. The reality is that if you get in to a p40 and engage a 109F, you have your hands full. Being able to see his 3 buddies in the 190s coming in spraying from every angle makes the game more playable. We can post all we want about how great the fights are, but the reality is what I just described. The only time the fights are good is when you find 1 or 2 guys that you have seen and you end up fighting it out with no interference. That is what made it a great fight. I don;t think anyone is coming in here bragging about a great fight after he got gang picked.
Again, being able to see the enemy can lead to a fight. Being able to hide only leads to a good pick. I do understand why some may like it. It either that or vulching for many players, but I learned through engaging and dieing. I never learned anything from picking any one already having his hands full.
You fought some of the guys posting in defense of the no icons settings. How long do you think someone like gyrene81 would last in a fight? I am sure he does really well if you don;t know he is there :rofl
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Setups have a lot to do with people deciding to fly in the AvA. If you have a valid recommendation on a historical setup you would like to see done in the AvA, feel free to post it in the AvA forum.
Here is an idea for a setup. Turn icons back on :O
I would post in the AvA forum but apparently, since no one is even in the forum you guys keep posting here. :aok
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Here is an idea for a setup. Turn icons back on :O
I would post in the AvA forum but apparently, since no one is even in the forum you guys keep posting here. :aok
Amazing, you surpass this for crap load...
(http://www.betterlifestylesinc.com/images/pictures/HomeToiletImage2.jpg)
You weren't flying in the AvA when the icons were on, must have been a good excuse then too. I suppose if I had the SA problems you have, I would be whining about icons too. You're probably going to reply with something like you play on a 15 inch laptop with a junky graphics card and can't see things that well...
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Xb-6yxwuo0xZFM:http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/pspauld/tinyviolin.jpg&t=1)
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Here is an idea for a setup. Turn icons back on :O
I would post in the AvA forum but apparently, since no one is even in the forum you guys keep posting here. :aok
this is another aspect i forgot to mention. friendly icons are on, but only for 2.5k.
last night, at around 7,000 feet, i see a con flying along, minding his own business.....so i feel the need to disrupt his peaceful flight. start setting up the perfect attack.......barreling in on him......and suddenly, i see 78boom.......i was setting up to attack a friendly.
i got a good laugh out of that.
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next time, check your radar first! :D
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next time, check your radar first! :D
yea, i know........
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Here is an idea for a setup. Turn icons back on :O
I would post in the AvA forum but apparently, since no one is even in the forum you guys keep posting here. :aok
you still crying over that icon thing! id hate to see what happens if we turned off the friendly icons too. as it is, they're at 2.5k as proven with the post from Cap1. your insidious whine would be the shot heard around the forum! they'd be able to hear you in the EW. maybe you'd like to ask for the sheep back while you're at it?(which by the way, im all for!) boy wheres storch when you need him!
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they'd be able to hear you in the EW.
Yep, because there are people there to hear me bahahahahah :rofl
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Yep, because there are people there to hear me bahahahahah :rofl
Must be talking about the 3 milk runners that won't fight...sounds like it's the perfect arena for you.
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Amazing, you surpass this for crap load...
(http://www.betterlifestylesinc.com/images/pictures/HomeToiletImage2.jpg)
You weren't flying in the AvA when the icons were on, must have been a good excuse then too. I suppose if I had the SA problems you have, I would be whining about icons too. You're probably going to reply with something like you play on a 15 inch laptop with a junky graphics card and can't see things that well...
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Xb-6yxwuo0xZFM:http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/pspauld/tinyviolin.jpg&t=1)
Ohhh I was there. I ve taken a break from the game for 6 months and then another for almost a year but over all, I've been there a lot longer than you and will be there a lot longer than you. However, if I don;t like something I will say it. Wana try your luck some time (assuming I see you coming?) :neener:
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Ohhh I was there. I ve taken a break from the game for 6 months and then another for almost a year but over all, I've been there a lot longer than you and will be there a lot longer than you. However, if I don;t like something I will say it. Wana try your luck some time (assuming I see you coming?) :neener:
Lol you would massacre gyrene 20 times in a row.
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Lol you would massacre gyrene 20 times in a row.
You're right, I can't snap roll a K4 at 300+ without blacking out like some people...and I don't stick stir.
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You're right, I can't snap roll a K4 at 300+ without blacking out like some people...and I don't stick stir.
Wha?
I'm just sayin, dedalos would wipe the floor with you in any kind of engagement you chose. slow on deck, fast at 10k, you at 20k him on the deck, him in a b17 you in a hurri, etc. You'd get smacked.. hard.
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sometimes, it's not sa. i was hammering the snot outta a 109 last night..i was warned that another 109 was saddling up on me. i ignored the warning...figuring i got this guy, i ain't lettin him go. well.....it cost me a rusty ole squeaky p40.
i've noticed a couple of other things too. i had a close pass in one fight. i'd say less than 20 yards. i friggin ducked again. was pretty funny.
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sometimes, it's not sa. i was hammering the snot outta a 109 last night..i was warned that another 109 was saddling up on me. i ignored the warning...figuring i got this guy, i ain't lettin him go. well.....it cost me a rusty ole squeaky p40.
i've noticed a couple of other things too. i had a close pass in one fight. i'd say less than 20 yards. i friggin ducked again. was pretty funny.
Your SA must be outta quack. :P
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You're right, I can't snap roll a K4 at 300+ without blacking out like some people...and I don't stick stir.
We finally agree on something. Grizz does use stick steering to get on your six. You have proven your understanding of the game. I apologize for questioning it :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Wha?
I'm just sayin, dedalos would wipe the floor with you in any kind of engagement you chose. slow on deck, fast at 10k, you at 20k him on the deck, him in a b17 you in a hurri, etc. You'd get smacked.. hard.
yep...
(http://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/cute-puppy-pictures-fall-asleep-on-phone.jpg)
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yep...
(http://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/cute-puppy-pictures-fall-asleep-on-phone.jpg)
Nothing to be afraid of. I wont have icons to calculate my shots and I wont be in a stick steering K4. What do you say? :rofl
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all i know, is that you kicked my bellybutton in mw in those figfhts bee38 vs bee38. i think i gotcha once....but i caught ya right after you finished off that dood in the 109..........
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Man, one lame challenge and you run away? Come on gyrene81, you can do it! :lol
Love your signature btw. Explains a lot :lol
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Man, one lame challenge and you run away? Come on gyrene81, you can do it! :lol
Love your signature btw. Explains a lot :lol
what if you were in a ju88? :D
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you still crying over that icon thing! id hate to see what happens if we turned off the friendly icons too. as it is, they're at 2.5k as proven with the post from Cap1. your insidious whine would be the shot heard around the forum! they'd be able to hear you in the EW. maybe you'd like to ask for the sheep back while you're at it?(which by the way, im all for!) boy wheres storch when you need him!
remember that one time that we turned off all the icons, I think it was the 2nd night of no icons. :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
just had to be there
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Man, one lame challenge and you run away? Come on gyrene81, you can do it! :lol
Love your signature btw. Explains a lot :lol
I'm surprised he didn't issue a counter challenge to see who could cut down the most forum users by adhering to the rules expressed in the ancient Scrolls of Snob. You certainly would stand no chance in such a battle.
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remember that one time that we turned off all the icons, I think it was the 2nd night of no icons. :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
just had to be there
how many kill shot themselves?
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how many kill shot themselves?
not many, but a lot of people ended up on friendlies sixes, and a con shot both down.
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not many, but a lot of people ended up on friendlies sixes, and a con shot both down.
now THAT's funny!! :rofl :noid :neener:
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:noid :neener: :noid
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I'm surprised he didn't issue a counter challenge to see who could cut down the most forum users by adhering to the rules expressed in the ancient Scrolls of Snob. You certainly would stand no chance in such a battle.
I think he is historically extending into another thread or BBS :rofl
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I think he is historically extending into another thread or BBS :rofl
know what i keep forgetting to mention?
there's WIND in the ava. and GUSTS. now that changes things too.
one thing i'm curious about, is if you're near a mountain, if you get the possible downdraft as the wind comes across it?
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know what i keep forgetting to mention?
there's WIND in the ava. and GUSTS. now that changes things too.
one thing i'm curious about, is if you're near a mountain, if you get the possible downdraft as the wind comes across it?
Can we also get some rain and night? I mean, sometimes I am able to see and fight others. That is historically unacceptable!!!! lol We all know most pilots died from someone they never saw so lets make sure this arena is 100% historic please :lol
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I just came from the AvA and I'll tell ya what, it is extremely difficult. I had fun though and will be back.
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You weren't flying in the AvA when the icons were on, must have been a good excuse then too. I suppose if I had the SA problems you have, I would be whining about icons too. You're probably going to reply with something like you play on a 15 inch laptop with a junky graphics card and can't see things that well...
:rofl
You'll need a decade to fill in the time Diealot flew in AvA. I know, because I was there. He killed guys like you whenever he wanted to, icons or not.
Heck, he'd spank me til I was bleeding, and I was no easy kill. :old:
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You'll need a decade to fill in the time Diealot flew in AvA. I know, because I was there. He killed guys like you whenever he wanted to, icons or not.
Heck, he'd spank me til I was bleeding, and I was no easy kill. :old:
:uhoh ummmm, err . . . . . that was a different kind of spanking old one. We are talking about cartoon planes fighting here. Don;t remember ever spanking you in that. The other stuff was fun though. mmmmm the memories :O :O :bolt:
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:uhoh ummmm, err . . . . . that was a different kind of spanking old one. We are talking about cartoon planes fighting here. Don;t remember ever spanking you in that. The other stuff was fun though. mmmmm the memories :O :O :bolt:
:rofl
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See rule 4
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i spent hours in AvA last night and had an absolute blast. the no icon thing is very fun when u get the hang of it. i was flying below treetop level sneaking up on guys and blasting them, only to disappear into the trees again :noid great fun :aok
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Better watch our Irish, some will call you a timid picker. :D
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i spent hours in AvA last night and had an absolute blast. the no icon thing is very fun when u get the hang of it. i was flying below treetop level sneaking up on guys and blasting them, only to disappear into the trees again :noid great fun :aok
it's funny you say this.
in midwar, i tend to like to be above my opponent. it's the best place to be in a pee38. i don't mean bnz the guy. i mean, that i try to establish an alt advantage right off the merge.
in here, i do that, and look down, and can't see the dood. :rofl now, i try to keep them slightly above me, or co-alt, so i can see the bastages. :devil
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i spent hours in AvA last night and had an absolute blast. the no icon thing is very fun when u get the hang of it. i was flying below treetop level sneaking up on guys and blasting them, only to disappear into the trees again :noid great fun :aok
What happened to our plan to take over the Purple arena?? :confused:
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i think it got side-tracked?
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See rule 4 just for the quote
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You and dweebalos....
Corrected.
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Corrected.
I hear they serve pancakes in the AvA this week
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next tuesday night at 930pm EST, we'll be serving pancakes with a side of BACON!
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next tuesday night at 930pm EST, we'll be serving pancakes with a side of BACON!
that sucks.....i'm gonna be up on mcfuire afb..............
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See rule 4
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Nevermind. Not even worth it.
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See rule 4 for quote
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wait??? this is a game????????
:uhoh
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You're right, I can't snap roll a K4 at 300+ without blacking out like some people...and I don't stick stir.
I need clarification. What are you inferring with this statement?
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:uhoh
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LoL, this is the forum for a cartoon game after all what were you expecting? Maybe you should work more on devolping some 1337 skillz and less on being a forum sweetheart. But it's gonna take a lot of practice, Grizz and Dedalos are a lot tougher kills than say, baby seals, or household pets.
At list I can be a kill. I am not sure Grizz has any memories of being shot down :rofl
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At list I can be a kill. I am not sure Grizz has any memories of being shot down :rofl
Nah, I got him in the DA once. He cut my K4 in half and as what was left of my fuselage was cartwheeling through the air I managed to tater him as he flew past. I was all like "pwnt n00b".
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I need clarification. What are you inferring with this statement?
Guess I'm not going to get an answer... typical.
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Guess I'm not going to get an answer... typical.
It seemed rather obvious within the context to which it was written but since you insist, I'll attempt to shed some light. The inference was that unlike some of the "great sticks" around here, I don't stick stir...loss of control is visibly different than stick stirring...therefore I am an easy kill. As well as the fact that some "great sticks" seem to be able to pull some really magical stuff on a consistent basis while everyone else, including some people considered to be of equal caliber, sits around scratching their testicles wondering how it's possible...again, I can't do anything magical therefore I'm an easy kill.
Clear enough?
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It seemed rather obvious within the context to which it was written but since you insist, I'll attempt to shed some light. The inference was that unlike some of the "great sticks" around here, I don't stick stir...loss of control is visibly different than stick stirring...therefore I am an easy kill. As well as the fact that some "great sticks" seem to be able to pull some really magical stuff on a consistent basis while everyone else, including some people considered to be of equal caliber, sits around scratching their testicles wondering how it's possible...again, I can't do anything magical therefore I'm an easy kill.
Clear enough?
sometimes scratching ones testicles juuuussst right, can feel pretty good :noid
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It seemed rather obvious within the context to which it was written but since you insist, I'll attempt to shed some light. The inference was that unlike some of the "great sticks" around here, I don't stick stir...loss of control is visibly different than stick stirring...therefore I am an easy kill. As well as the fact that some "great sticks" seem to be able to pull some really magical stuff on a consistent basis while everyone else, including some people considered to be of equal caliber, sits around scratching their testicles wondering how it's possible...again, I can't do anything magical therefore I'm an easy kill.
Clear enough?
That wasn't clear at all. In fact, it made absolutely no sense.
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If your whole post was a jab at grizz... I'm sorry he uses the torque of his chosen ac well, especially at low speed in the vert. I don't think I've ever seen/heard of grizz do the 109 falling leaf or the more famous 190 -g pushover into the land trout. He just doesn't do it.
I think you need to get over the fact that in life people are going to be better than you. Guess what jar head, Grizz is the better cartoon pilot that is a fact. He is also better than 99% of the player population. So unless you got film of grizz flipping around like a land trout, your accusations are BS.
Gyrene here is a thought instead of being a clueless condescending arse why not ask how the move was done and practice it. I know it will be a monumental task ( putting that enormous ego aside not the practice) but all worthwhile thing are.
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That wasn't clear at all. In fact, it made absolutely no sense.
Perhaps paying more attention in school would have helped...
Bronk, who said anything about Grizz? Every day that passes here I find myself astounded at the less than average intellect, perhaps a recap for those who has a problem with reading comprehension...
Wana try your luck some time (assuming I see you coming?) :neener:
Lol you would massacre gyrene 20 times in a row.
You're right, I can't snap roll a K4 at 300+ without blacking out like some people...and I don't stick stir.
I must be blind, I don't see any mention of anyone specific...you asked a question and I answered it, no specifics on anyone in particular, I could have been talking about dweebalos or you. In case you haven't noticed, there are a lot of "good sticks" who fly a K4, at least periodically if not all the time. Some flop around like a fish when a noob like myself is on them, others pull some incredible stunts that cause people to verbally question on vox, but again I didn't mention any one individual. Since you brought it up, I don't waste time or system resources recording every encounter I have in this hobby, which in case you missed it is not life. I don't care enough to waste the effort recording and reviewing, it's an inexpensive hobby that provides some measure of entertainment when I want such diversion. Like any other gamer on the arenas, Grizz gets no more and no less courtesy from me than I would give anyone else. That applies to whether we are on the same side or on opposite sides. He's no more of a hero to me than anyone else who plays this game, so forgive me if I don't bow down and lick his boots as you infer I should. Perhaps you should follow your own condescending advice.
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So asking for help is boot licking. I recognize the mentality... from the arrogant ignorant, it fits you like a glove.
And yes dedalot would kill you easy also.
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So asking for help is boot licking. I recognize the mentality... from the arrogant ignorant, it fits you like a glove.
Pot calling the kettle black again. I ask for help from whom and when I desire, not based on your little black book of heroes. I know the extent of my own capabilities, the capacity of the equipment I use and my level of committment to being an ace toon pile-it is far less than what someone like yourself values as life long skills.
And yes dedalot would kill you easy also.
If you say so...if/when he does get the opportunity and is successful, I'll open the text buffer and type in .s dedalos and hit enter, just like I would for anyone else. If I found myself on the same side, I would do everything possible to keep him from getting picked and give him check six calls just like I would for anyone else.
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So asking for help is boot licking. I recognize the mentality... from the arrogant ignorant, it fits you like a glove.
And yes dedalot would kill you easy also.
dedalos(i ain't earned the right to call him mean or sarcastic names yet) has handed my arse to me very very easily many times over......so much so, that it hurt to sit down for a week. :uhoh