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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: nrshida on January 20, 2013, 07:25:04 PM
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I'm making a new thread to continue this:-
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,338341.165/topicseen.html
...'discussion', without derailing the original thread. Please other players do join in.
No. I read your post and decided you are still a noob. People created the term 'pick' for the reasons I described. Most of them come form the DA and bring the DA mentality to the war arena thinking everyone will agree with them. They have taken over the General Forum and anyone posting anything contrary to their DA views are immediately attacked in an attempt to silence and different views.
When you grow up and finally molt out of the DA mentality you may discover that the game has many different aspects and all of them can be fun. But it's your money to toss away to mindless-endless furballing if you want. I cannot see the logic in repeated long trips ending in death but if that's your cup of tea why would I even try to stop you?
Some people never do change because they do not care to learn. I think that's you.
So you say the game has lots of aspects all of them which can be fun, implying people can pursue their own activities and philosophies with mutual respect but your immediate response to me laughing at your flap comment is to go and look up my score?
No, players invented the derogatory term 'pick' to accurately describe that it involves less skill than actually earning your kill through ACM. In my experience all of the picker specialists have realised they can't do the ACM to a high level so do this instead. You can try to equate it all you like, but I'm never going to agree that picking is anywhere near on the same skill or merit level as ACM-based fighting and I don't think you will find many who are willing to agree with you either.
Your implication that I am somehow less evolved than you is rather unsophisticated and implies a natural linear progression which I do not see. If you really want to know, and I suspect not because we have irreconcilable philosophies and you more likely just want to devalue me and hence the value of my opinion, I'm actually less and less interested in any notion of 'surviving' or 'dying'. I just have my fun dogfighting in an air combat game. To be honest, that you take 'dying' and the 'War Arena' so seriously seems rather weird to me.
I reiterate my point, if everyone flew around at high energy states in super fast planes then you'd be out of business. Picking depends on other people engaging in dogfights in order to succeed.
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Picking =/= BnZing.
BnZing is when you're forced to use to it against a better plane or against large odds. Picking is when you have the choice to easily TnB but decides not to.
Example: A 190 is no way going to be able to turn with a Zero. If he continues to employ BnZ tactics in order to kill, then that is perfectly fine.
A Spitfire that continues to zoom in and out of a fight against something like a 109 or 110 is, IMO, a picker.
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This coming from chalenge? :rolleyes:
The guy who sits on concrete in a Tiger II, or is at 40k in a pony making vDALLAS look like the worlds best furballer in comparison?
shida I'd be more afraid of Raif in a 1v1 than this guy.
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picking is clearing someones 6. if you clear someone's 12, thats a kill steal.
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You two have completely different playing styles that is all. Chalenge plays as if he were flying for real and will avoid going into a situation where he's not in complete control. Nothing really wrong with that IMO, but most of us would find that style to be boring and less rewarding.
Now Shida on the other hand IMO...likes the excitement of close, fast in your face air combat which most of the player base enjoys. A death is really no big deal as you can up rinse and repeat.
It's just 2 different approaches to the game. Neither is right or wrong.
Picking is just a term people made up for explaining away their lack of SA or their target fixation.
If our lives were actually on the line, wouldn't we all be pickers? Yes I know...our lives are not actually in danger. And that's why I play the way I do. It's just a mindset or approach to game play.
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Picking =/= BnZing.
I agree, but since this guy's been trying to assert there is no such thing as picking, and then getting personal and insulting to players and their families when they won't concede, plus the other stuff people keep saying about him I'm going to stick with picker :D
No objection to BnZ, one of the best fights I've had recently was P-51D versus my Ki-84, believe it or not.
Clearing is something else Kvuo, I'm talking about picker specialists who cruise around waiting for a fight to break out.
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You two have completely different playing styles that is all.
Yup, I'm not trying to convince Captain Uber to take up dogfighting either, but since he used his criteria to try and devalue my opinion, he can have it, basically.
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Shida,
Why?
Changeup
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There's no use in wasting you breath with him. Chalenge flat out knows it all, he is right and everyone else is stupid and wrong.
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There's no use in wasting you breath with him. He flat out knows it all, he is right and everyone else is stupid and wrong.
Who me?
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... but your immediate response to me laughing at your flap comment is to go and look up my score?
... and then getting personal and insulting to players and their families when they won't concede...
Now you know Chalenge.
Invite him to the DA and tell me what happens. :rofl
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My friend, please, do yourself a favour and dont waste your time with someone who is worthless.
This coming from chalenge? :rolleyes:
The guy who sits on concrete in a Tiger II, or is at 40k in a pony making vDALLAS look like the worlds best furballer in comparison?
QFT
For Chalenge: if you are so good, come to the DA with me. See, im a newb, but in an aqual fight, i can and will kick your shiny awesome butt for calling my friend Shida a noob.
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Who me?
:lol no...you know better then that :rolleyes: :lol
There..fixed it so there wouldn't be further confusion :D
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:lol no...you know better then that :rolleyes: :lol
Egads. You know I'm starting to think I'm far too analogue for computer forums and the internet.
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:huh :huh :huh :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead
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It appears the pilots called pickers the most are flying the Dora. What else they expect them to do, I certainly don't know how to fly it, while dropping in I usually collide with something. For me the Dora is a death trap so far and I respect those who choose to fly it knowing their options are somewhat limited.
:salute
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These are the two definitions I was taught on the subject.
Picking - Diving in on an already engaged enemy. IE clearing 6.
Cherry Picking - Diving in on low E enemy aircraft that are fresh up from a base.
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These are the two definitions I was taught on the subject.
Picking - Diving in on an already engaged enemy. IE clearing 6.
Cherry Picking - Diving in on low E enemy aircraft that are fresh up from a base.
see, i agree theres a difference, but i'd call your "cherry picking", "vulching"
and i'm sure there are people who say it's not vulching unless the wheels are on the ground..
i think one common thing is all describe a guy with the advantage killing the guy at a disadvantage.
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The full name is picking and grinning. :D
The MA is not the DA. SA counts.
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The MA is not the DA. SA counts.
Why post if you're not going to give an opinion...
Very rarely do I not see the picker that picks me, so "SA counts" is not an opinion....
What's your opinion on those that always "pick"?
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Don't need alt to be a picker....anyone can be the 4th guy in on a single con.
SA doesn't matter...sometimes it's just bad cards
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Don't need alt to be a picker....anyone can be the 4th guy in on a single con.
SA doesn't matter...sometimes it's just bad cards
Some people are picked much more often than others so SA does matter. :aok
I should know being constantly picked and told my SA stinks. :old:
I think picking is good for SA practice. :)
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Some people are picked much more often than others so SA does matter. :aok
I should know being constantly picked and told my SA stinks. :old:
I think picking is good for SA practice. :)
It doesn't matter always....literally hundreds of sorties I could tell you about but your really not worth the time.
Sorry not sorry
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'Picking' is making your aircraft selection in the hangar.
Getting killed in a war arena is part of the game. Whining that you 'got picked'. . . classic yuk yuks.
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'Picking' is making your aircraft selection in the hangar.
Getting killed in a war arena is part of the game. Whining that you 'got picked'. . . classic yuk yuks.
Getting owned because you don't know any ACM....stay classy my friend.
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titanic you will never own anyone in anything. . .
The whole reason nrshida brought the argument in here is because this is where the DA crybabies hang out and he knows he can get support here. In reality his own ACM is about dirt poor and that is not up for argument.
Keep trying titanic. One day you may actually hit that tiger on the concrete. . . with your face probably.
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Picking - Diving in on an already engaged enemy. IE clearing 6.
Cherry Picking - Diving in on low E enemy aircraft that are fresh up from a base.
"Picking" and "Cherry Picking" means the same thing, over the years it's just been shortened to "pick" as its easier to type one word than two.
ack-ack
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titanic you will never own anyone in anything. . .
The whole reason nrshida brought the argument in here is because this is where the DA crybabies hang out and he knows he can get support here. In reality his own ACM is about dirt poor and that is not up for argument.
Keep trying titanic. One day you may actually hit that tiger on the concrete. . . with your face probably.
:lol
Not even going to bother with people like you. You think you can beat me? Do it in the MA or DA, until then, keep explaining your suckage. Talk the talk but can you walk the walk? ;)
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You guys are playing my favorite song!
"11 guuuuuuuuys on a spiiiiiit......11 guuuuuuuuuuuuuuys on a Spit....fiiiiiiiiiiire"
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"Picking" and "Cherry Picking" means the same thing, over the years it's just been shortened to "pick" as its easier to type one word than two.
ack-ack
The way I was told fits AH for specifics;
Cherrying Uppers
Picking Fighters
Some of the guys much newer than me have even more bizarre definitions; Vulching being engaging a con with low alt or E, that was my favourite.
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for me picking or not is a matter of objective:
'pickers' go into the fight for quantitative objectives, ie killing the most enemies and getting back to base in one piece
'ACM dudes' are there for qualitative objectives, ie get the best fight ever, the best reversal that only comes once in a while...
the 2nd line usually get the short end of the stick, getting killed by 'inferior' pilot in their opinion. I'm from the 1st group and get my thrill by trying to survive...I understand the frustration but I do have a plane icon like anyone.
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In my experience ( which is not as much as many here) Picking is killing a red guy who is already engaged with green guy. whether in a furball or you stumble across a 1v1. And anyone in the MA's is guilty of picking. But there are some that ONLY pick and run from the 1v1. in some cases even when they have the advantage. SA will help avoid getting killed by the picker. But not always.A lot of the time there is just nothing you can do to avoid it
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The whole reason nrshida brought the argument in here is because this is where the DA crybabies hang out and he knows he can get support here. In reality his own ACM is about dirt poor and that is not up for argument.
Nope, I started this thread to not derail the flap discussion so we could discuss picking, most especially your variety of picking: cruising around at altitude waiting for people to start fighting so you can 'kill' something with no risk to yourself. I think that's ghey, exploitative and gamey. It's not even very original.
You know nothing about my ACM and if you are inferring that from my score then you are even more unintelligent than you appear.
There's been no crying about anything, again an attempt on your part to devalue and shut people up who disagree with you. Perhaps you'd have more success insulting me personally or my family like you did with Ink. You're trying to convince this whole community there is no such thing as picking, because it's all you basically do, you know it and you don't like it.
I kind of like that you don't like it. :lol
I'm not entirely sure what the foundation is upon which you base your superiority complex. Everyone who mentions you says the same, you pick, you run, you camp and basically exploit other players activities to make your 'living' here. Why don't you fly a Spitfire Mark IX for a tour and show us a similar score. You can't and everybody knows it.
I note with interest that you don't actually address any of my points, you just try to scamper away without engaging. Interesting parallel. If you think in not discussing these points because you are simply 'above them' allows you to retain some kind of inarguable correctness about your position, then I'm afraid you are mistaken, it just makes you look arrogant and that you think you are above reproach and above most of the rest of the players. You are not.
Have you got anything else to bring to this argument besides your hollow and unfounded arrogance?
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Yes, nrshida, you hit the nail right n the head! A guy that has 28 kills out of 58 sorties knows more about acm then somoene with 153 kills and four deaths. Call the air force, navy and marine corps and let them know they have this ace thing all backwards!
You DA cry babies really take the cake.
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Yes, nrshida, you hit the nail right n the head! A guy that has 28 kills out of 58 sorties knows more about acm then somoene with 153 kills and four deaths. Call the air force, navy and marine corps and let them know they have this ace thing all backwards!
You DA cry babies really take the cake.
Anyone who has played this game for any length of time will remember hard, fair and enjoyable fights whenever they meet Shida in whatever arena. As for crying he is the last person you will ever get a moan from. His magnanimity and willingness to help are a credit to the community.
I doubt many remember or care about the last time they were picked from a challenging fight by some light speed Pony driver.
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I wonder if those who complain about picking are complaining because they are "picked" or just because they don't accept how others play.
If it is the first, then I'd suggest to improve their skills and learn how to deal with 1 vs 2-3. There are really hot sticks out there who are really difficult to get picked. They can fite 2-3 at the same time and they know how to deal with it. We all know who they are.
If it is the second reason, then I'd suggest let everyone fly the way they want.
1 vs 1 are fun
Picking is fun
Get picked is a chance to improve.
Not pretending a statement here, just sharing my thoughts...
:salute
Edit: Trying my best with english language.
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Yes, nrshida, you hit the nail right n the head! A guy that has 28 kills out of 58 sorties knows more about acm then somoene with 153 kills and four deaths. Call the air force, navy and marine corps and let them know they have this ace thing all backwards!
You DA cry babies really take the cake.
Again, no discussion of points, just an ad hominem personal attack.
Your score says far more about your ACM than mine does. But anytime you want to nut up and test our relative ACM, you let me know, picker :rofl
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If I get popped while chasing a red then it is not what is called a pickers fault, it is mine. Most of the time when that happens I have gotten greedy and pushed to close too long or failed the check my 6.
Fugitive pointed that out to me in another thread. I had pushed too long to close and he had to come in and try to break me free from a 38 that had closed on my six. I got me shoot down and him. Pickers fault? No, it was all my doing and I took Fugitive out too which was the worst of that situation.
Surely, you don't see Fugitive as a picker in this aforementioned situation?
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I wonder if those who complain about picking are complaining because they are "picked" or just because they don't accept how others play.
If it is the first, then I'd suggest to improve their skills and learn how to deal with 1 vs 2-3. There are really hot sticks out there who are really difficult to get picked. They can fite 2-3 at the same time and they know how to deal with it. We all know who they are.
If it is the second reason, then I'd suggest let everyone fly the way they want.
1 vs 1 are fun
Picking is fun
Get picked is a chance to improve.
Not pretending a statement here, just sharing my thoughts...
:salute
Edit: Trying my best with english language.
Not chalenge.........response to what is bolded in red :rofl :rofl
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In my experience ( which is not as much as many here) Picking is killing a red guy who is already engaged with green guy. whether in a furball or you stumble across a 1v1. And anyone in the MA's is guilty of picking. But there are some that ONLY pick and run from the 1v1. in some cases even when they have the advantage. SA will help avoid getting killed by the picker. But not always.A lot of the time there is just nothing you can do to avoid it
I would agree with that completely. I do think that the only thing that really distinguishes good vs mediocre vs poor in terms of that flying style is accuracy and a little SA (so you can see when your getting into trouble). Some of the guys who specialize in that style are good shots at high closing speeds and funky angles, but that's about all you have to work on.
I don't begrudge being popped while in a fight, especially a furball which is usually more about SA than ACM. It does suck to have a good fight ended that way (either you or oppenent) but we are all doing it in a furball to a greater or lesser extent anyway. It can get frustrating when you just can't get to a faster plane (name your plane...doesn't matter....51 series, 190 series etc.). You have to decide what you want to fly like and make a plane selection or possibly a compromise selection that would give you some speed for catching the higher speed rides along with some close in action.
I do agree with a previous poster on this who said you don't remember the last guy that "picked" you but you do remember the guys you got into a good "turny" fight with. I.E. I've only fought Nrshida three times...first couple days in the game a couple months ago...Ki vs Ki. I lost 2 out of 3. 's and "gf"s exchanged, no drama. I don't remember the last guy that "picked" me..or really any of them. I don't start any drama there either...it's part of the game (and it's on me to look around). I guess if I got mad about it I might but why let a game make you mad for any length of time at all?
I have flown both ways in the total time I have played the game (since about a year before AW shut down). The survivalist mentality is attractive for landing kills but really boring for me. If you never took the time and risk associated with learning how to fight 1 v 1 (or many..different set of skills) close in and amongst the crowd then you're missing out on a very sastifying part of the game. On the other hand while I find occasionally winning a 1 v 1 (or more) immensely satisfying, especially if your dodging others while doing it you certainly don't land as much. Choose your style of playing and go after it.
Score comparisons between the two styles are more than useless with the possible exception of hit percentage, that being the only thing they have in common.
I don't think arguements from either perspective will resolve anything. They usually have such wildly differing views that coming to any sort of agreement is impossible. It usually degrades into more of an exercise in comparitive male genitalia measurements.
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Not chalenge.........response to what is bolded in red :rofl :rofl
I'm sorry Ink, but I don't need to put names here to express what I wanted to say. :salute
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I'm sorry Ink, but I don't need to put names here to express what I wanted to say. :salute
....I was just pointing out the obvious :D
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I wonder if those who complain about picking are complaining because they are "picked" or just because they don't accept how others play.
I think this comes from both sides of the arguement. On top of that it's very difficult not to put a slant on a response post that doesn't favor the poster's style of play and belittle the other styles. Add to that the embellishments and extended definitions to vulching and picking, "inablity to ACM" accusations or the "score" thing and this quickly becomes more about cutting wit or insults. It's a player vs player game....this is to be expected to a certain degree I expect. :salute
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Score comparisons between the two styles are more than useless with the possible exception of hit percentage, that being the only thing they have in common.
I don't think arguements from either perspective will resolve anything. They usually have such wildly differing views that coming to any sort of agreement is impossible. It usually degrades into more of an exercise in comparitive male genitalia measurements.
I'd like to agree here:
Scores has nothing to do with 1 vs 1 neither picking.
Score is another independent area of the game that has "its own career". And it can be as fun as 1 vs 1 can be for other people of this game.
My thoughts :cheers:
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....I was just pointing out the obvious :D
He he Ink :D :salute
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The best dogfighting skills might show up in the KOTH, such both as SA and ACM, all together.
I would like to see Chalenge participating in a KOTH event :aok
Oh wait, he cant come from 40k there? :ahand
He cant run for more than 30 seconds there? :ahand
Not a surprise he never shows up there :rofl
little ego tard trying to belittle everyone based on the kill/death? after a certain level its all like a "coward-o-meter" :ahand
You can think what ever you want. But we can laugh as long as we would like to, too :neener:
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I think this comes from both sides of the arguement. On top of that it's very difficult not to put a slant on a response post that doesn't favor the poster's style of play and belittle the other styles. Add to that the embellishments and extended definitions to vulching and picking, "inablity to ACM" accusations or the "score" thing and this quickly becomes more about cutting wit or insults. It's a player vs player game....this is to be expected to a certain degree I expect. :salute
Yeah :salute
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I've seen everything as fair game. Whether it's picking, HOing, ganging... if you died in one of these scenerios it's because you failed to keep up your SA and got killed. I would know, I died these ways every day because of lack of SA. Why someone feels the need to jump in on a red guy who's already out numbered 4 to 1, I still have yet to understand this. Don't worry too much about pickers. If you see one diving in on your 1v1 they are either a bad pilot, a bad shot, or (usually) both. Just turn into his attack, force the overshoot, rolling back into him and fill him with led! :t
The less time you spend worrying about how "dweeby" someone else flies and the more time you spend on thinking how you can shoot them down, the better you will become. :aok :salute
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He he Ink :D :salute
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The best dogfighting skills might show up in the KOTH, such both as SA and ACM, all together.
I would like to see Chalenge participating in a KOTH event :aok
Oh wait, he cant come from 40k there? :ahand
He cant run for more than 30 seconds there? :ahand
Not a surprise he never shows up there :rofl
little ego tard
:ahand
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My take, for what it's worth....
First you have to "define" what a "pick" is. Picking to me is swooping in and popping someone who is already engaged in a fight. Now in a furball this is a "given" your doing it, they are doing it, it's what a furball is all about. It's what you expect to happen, the fun of the furball is to use your SA to survive as long as you can killing as many as you can be fore you finally get picked.
When fighting 1 vs 1, or 1 vs 2 then a pick is one step up from a HO. It still takes a bit of skill to time your pick right, but to me it is still a pretty classless move. Some people are saying that in a pony, or Dora that's the only way to fly those birds, well they are wrong. You can BnZ with them very well in a 1 on 1, or 1 on 2 situation. Yes and the "smart" pilot will will extend, or get out of dodge once he feels he has lost his advantages. That is "E" fighting and using the strengths of your ride. But blowing through a 2 on 1 for a cheap kill, thats just a dweeb move.
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Yes, nrshida, you hit the nail right n the head! A guy that has 28 kills out of 58 sorties knows more about acm then somoene with 153 kills and four deaths. Call the air force, navy and marine corps and let them know they have this ace thing all backwards!
You DA cry babies really take the cake.
I'd love to see all 153 kill films. My bet: horde, mission horde, hit and run, but certainly very little premeditated "fighting" and zero base defense. I need to spend some time searching out two guys: Chalenge and ManAtard. I suspect if they really had skills, we wouldn't be in here discussing their skills.
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for me picking or not is a matter of objective:
'pickers' go into the fight for quantitative objectives, ie killing the most enemies and getting back to base in one piece
'ACM dudes' are there for qualitative objectives, ie get the best fight ever, the best reversal that only comes once in a while...
the 2nd line usually get the short end of the stick, getting killed by 'inferior' pilot in their opinion. I'm from the 1st group and get my thrill by trying to survive...I understand the frustration but I do have a plane icon like anyone.
But I've seen you fight..when you get chased down, you fight, and do it nicely...just curious why you wouldn't do that more often.
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I'd love to see all 153 kill films. My bet: horde, mission horde, hit and run, but certainly very little premeditated "fighting" and zero base defense. I need to spend some time searching out two guys: Chalenge and ManAtard. I suspect if they really had skills, we wouldn't be in here discussing their skills.
every word out of his mouth can be categorized thusly.... illusions of grandeur....delusions.......l ies.
I put him with midway on ignore......
we all know he will not back up his smack talk....I kinda feel sad for people like that...if they wont have a backbone in a game...imagine what it must be like to be them in the RW.
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every word out of his mouth can be categorized thusly.... illusions of grandeur....delusions.......l ies.
I put him with midway on ignore......
we all know he will not back up his smack talk....I kinda feel sad for people like that...if they wont have a backbone in a game...imagine what it must be like to be them in the RW.
I backed it up by beating Debrody in the DA 100% of all duels last dueling session... same with TomG... same with others... can I beat everyone yet, no... but certainly 95%. So when you say I don't back it up, exactly whom is being delusional, huh? :huh
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With all due respect to everyone involved, these pissing matches serve no purpose.
You don't have to hang around these boards very long to learn the standard defensive arguments to justify whatever type of gameplay you prefer.
If you wanna play Johnny Realistic Pilot, there are plenty of special events going on to do it. If it's all about the fight, you have places and clubs to showcase your prowess. To me, the MA is where all that stuff comes together, for better or worse. Fussing about it does nothing but waste time you could be spending doing something else.
:salute
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I'd like to agree here:
Scores has nothing to do with 1 vs 1 neither picking.
Score is another independent area of the game that has "its own career". And it can be as fun as 1 vs 1 can be for other people of this game.
My thoughts :cheers:
Absolutely. There are many different facets to the game, all of them are fine. Attempting to improve score is just another one of them, and I have zero problem with those who do this. It's about what you like to do and your personal goals or what an individual finds fun. The problems occur when one group decides to defame/degrade another group using only the measure of success within their personal goals as a means of comparison to show why they are better than the other person (ingame or personally lol) with different goals/measures of success. It can't really be done except within very narrow parameters (hit percentage possibly as an example)...apples and oranges. :salute
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My opinion for the rest of the community for what it is worth.
Clearing a friendly is not objectionable to me, especially in a furball or when a friendly is outnumbered. Even I would engage and pick someone off under those circumstances. The measure is simple: did you opportunistically get an easy kill or were you helping a squaddie or team mate. I believe this is a question for the individual to contemplate themselves.
Neither do I think BnZ is lame, if this is your method or the strengths of your aeroplane then you would be foolish not to use these attributes and try to be successful, my gameplan is different and if yours defeats mine then you will usually get a salute from me for a good fight. I have previously mentioned one of my more memorable recent fights was against a P-51D who used his superior energy retention to fight in the vert. It was an excellent fight.
I do not believe I have complained on any channel including PM for as long as I remember about being picked. Most of my fights I'm outnumbered and out energied. This is my choice and I do not complain about it. I get my jollies from putting myself in those positions and trying to swim out of it. I don't look at my score very much if at all and don't really know how to interpret the data when I did after Chalenge's remarks. I'm sure it is absolutely terrible by normal player's standards but does not measure the fun I have in the virtual skies of Aces High. It is simply not my focus.
I have committed myself to the art of manoeuvring fights and have decreasing interest in measuring the outcome as some kind of indication of how well I have flown. Again this is internal to me. The art is in the path and not the destination.
I believe I am very tolerant about other people's chosen playing style. If you start trying to devalue my play style or criticising my activities to dismiss my opinion you are asking for full-on Prak mode. Basically leave me alone & I'll extend to you the same courtesy.
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I have committed myself to the art of manoeuvring fights and have decreasing interest in measuring the outcome as some kind of indication of how well I have flown. Again this is internal to me. The art is in the path and not the destination.
I believe I am very tolerant about other people's chosen playing style. If you start trying to devalue my play style or criticising my activities to dismiss my opinion you are asking for full-on Prak mode. Basically leave me alone & I'll extend to you the same courtesy.
You must stop doing this, their egos can't take it any longer, you must break and succumb to measuring yourself based off of score. :D j/k man good for you! :aok
:salute
Rot
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I'll throw my 2 cents in here.
Picking is when you are in a situation where you're clearly at an advantage whether its numbers or the ability to TnB better than the plane you're fighting, and all you do is take shots on an enemy when you're diving on them from 10k above. BnZ is when you're in the other guys shoes but have an alt advantage. Its like clearing out a horde. Now i'll admit to having picked/BnZ'd in my Typhoon, but do you really expect a Tiffy to start a turn fight with a Spitfire or even a Peeeeeeeeee51? Now iv'e noticed a lot of people will call out "Picktardzzzz!!!!1!!!111!!!!1oneoneone!!" on 200 when this is done in a Typhoon or even a P47. Would you really expect a plane with a huge turning disadvantage to turn against a Hurricane or even a Spitfire? I wouldn't. If I were in a turny plane getting "picked" (BnZ'd) by a P47 or a Tiffy I wouldn't cry about it. If I were getting picked/BnZ'd by a turny plane while I was in a P47 or Tiffy i'd probably call that guy out. If you can pull a turn and do it better than the plane you're fighting, but decide to dive on them from 20k instead, then you deserve to be called a picktard.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
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There is a big difference between BnZ and picking. BnZ is simply energy fighting and is to be expected from just about any aircraft in game. You come in with an energy advantage (speed or altitude) and use that to make the other guy stay in a defensive posture. So you Zoom in an make him bleed E till you can make him go Boom. It's not picking and is expected from certain types of planes.
Picking is simply taking advantage of an opponent who has little or no chance to defend themselves. A perfect example would be bouncing a lone con who is already engaged with two or more enemies. You're picking something that has no defense and also robbing the guy who did all the work to put that enemy in a disadvantaged position in the first place. If you're a picker, you are the guy in the group project that did nothing but still takes the credit.
Using the "it's the MA" excuse is simply that...an excuse to justify your laziness.
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I backed it up by beating Debrody in the DA 100% of all duels last dueling session... same with TomG... same with others... can I beat everyone yet, no... but certainly 95%. So when you say I don't back it up, exactly whom is being delusional, huh? :huh
:)
shhh, this is a grown up conversation.
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Yes, nrshida, you hit the nail right n the head! A guy that has 28 kills out of 58 sorties knows more about acm then somoene with 153 kills and four deaths. Call the air force, navy and marine corps and let them know they have this ace thing all backwards!
You DA cry babies really take the cake.
nice name, kind of symbolic... don't you think?
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If you wanna play Johnny Realistic Pilot, there are plenty of special events going on to do it. If it's all about the fight, you have places and clubs to showcase your prowess. To me, the MA is where all that stuff comes together, for better or worse. Fussing about it does nothing but waste time you could be spending doing something else.
:salute
This sums it up nicely, except it doesn't quite 'come together' so much as it occupies the same space. Any fair fight you have, you have to create for yourself and the rest of the arena may move in your direction at any time to horn in on your fight. I think that's the main source of the friction, is people are having a fair fight, then other people appear that affect that fair fight.
To me, the MA is for the most part the proving ground for the theory that 'Yes, superior numbers do in fact work.' Anybody who's playing Johnny Realistic Pilot or looking for a fair fight is incidental to the hording base taking. You can find both types of fight, but it's not the main thrust of the arena.
The Johnny Realistic Pilots just are affected less by it because they don't as often put themselves in a position where they'll be affected by a group of red dots moving into their area.
Wiley.
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Yes, nrshida, you hit the nail right n the head! A guy that has 28 kills out of 58 sorties knows more about acm then somoene with 153 kills and four deaths. Call the air force, navy and marine corps and let them know they have this ace thing all backwards!
You DA cry babies really take the cake.
From the scores alone I can tell you right now that nrshida knows more about ACM than you'll ever know. Why? Because he puts himself into situations where he has to actually fight someone. Anyone can fly with all the advantages (altitude, energy and element of surprise) and produce a big score number. Not so many can go into any situation at a disadvantage and walk away with kills.
Now that you've managed to post your score for all to see (again) and no one was impressed (again) move on to the local playground and try to impress the girls who taught you to run.
BTW, my invitation to the DA is still open if you want to prove your ubership but we all know what will happen with that.
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Anyone can fly with all the advantages (altitude, energy and element of surprise) and produce a big score number.
I can't agree here Sir.
Not so many can go into any situation at a disadvantage and walk away with kills.
I agree here
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I'm in agreement with ack-ack concerning the definition of picking and cherry picking, i have always known them to be the same thing. I don't see anything wrong with picking however, i've done it plenty over the years, but it does nontheless involve holding all the advantages.
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My friend, please, do yourself a favour and dont waste your time with someone who is worthless.QFT
For Chalenge: if you are so good, come to the DA with me. See, im a newb, but in an aqual fight, i can and will kick your shiny awesome butt for calling my friend Shida a noob.
I had the honor of having Chalenge coming to the DA with me once. His plane, his setup. At the time he was playing regularly in EW or MW, don't remember. Tried to find an equal fight but he would always be with the stars or if in trouble, run for sectors to safety or until a friend was close. :) So anyways, we go in the DA, P51D was the choice he made. We merge, turn a little, i'm on his six, i'm in pursuit for the lenght of the canyons..... darn, he's not turning. So i'm D800 behind. I start to shoot seeing he's not going to turn. Almost ran out of ammo lol. Eventually have enough hits and he goes "boom". He tells me my gunnery sux.. lmao He logged, never had a rematch.
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I had the honor of having Chalenge coming to the DA with me once. His plane, his setup. At the time he was playing regularly in EW or MW, don't remember. Tried to find an equal fight but he would always be with the stars or if in trouble, run for sectors to safety or until a friend was close. :) So anyways, we go in the DA, P51D was the choice he made. We merge, turn a little, i'm on his six, i'm in pursuit for the lenght of the canyons..... darn, he's not turning. So i'm D800 behind. I start to shoot seeing he's not going to turn. Almost ran out of ammo lol. Eventually have enough hits and he goes "boom". He tells me my gunnery sux.. lmao He logged, never had a rematch.
:lol
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I had the honor of having Chalenge coming to the DA with me once. His plane, his setup. At the time he was playing regularly in EW or MW, don't remember. Tried to find an equal fight but he would always be with the stars or if in trouble, run for sectors to safety or until a friend was close. :) So anyways, we go in the DA, P51D was the choice he made. We merge, turn a little, i'm on his six, i'm in pursuit for the lenght of the canyons..... darn, he's not turning. So i'm D800 behind. I start to shoot seeing he's not going to turn. Almost ran out of ammo lol. Eventually have enough hits and he goes "boom". He tells me my gunnery sux.. lmao He logged, never had a rematch.
:rofl
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I had the honor of having Chalenge coming to the DA with me once. His plane, his setup. At the time he was playing regularly in EW or MW, don't remember. Tried to find an equal fight but he would always be with the stars or if in trouble, run for sectors to safety or until a friend was close. :) So anyways, we go in the DA, P51D was the choice he made. We merge, turn a little, i'm on his six, i'm in pursuit for the lenght of the canyons..... darn, he's not turning. So i'm D800 behind. I start to shoot seeing he's not going to turn. Almost ran out of ammo lol. Eventually have enough hits and he goes "boom". He tells me my gunnery sux.. lmao He logged, never had a rematch.
(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/puddinpops.gif)
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I had the honor of having Chalenge coming to the DA with me once. His plane, his setup. At the time he was playing regularly in EW or MW, don't remember. Tried to find an equal fight but he would always be with the stars or if in trouble, run for sectors to safety or until a friend was close. :) So anyways, we go in the DA, P51D was the choice he made. We merge, turn a little, i'm on his six, i'm in pursuit for the lenght of the canyons..... darn, he's not turning. So i'm D800 behind. I start to shoot seeing he's not going to turn. Almost ran out of ammo lol. Eventually have enough hits and he goes "boom". He tells me my gunnery sux.. lmao He logged, never had a rematch.
:rofl Quick, call the Navy and inform them of this new piece of ACM which we shall call the Forrest Gump :banana:
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I had the honor of having Chalenge coming to the DA with me once. His plane, his setup. At the time he was playing regularly in EW or MW, don't remember. Tried to find an equal fight but he would always be with the stars or if in trouble, run for sectors to safety or until a friend was close. :) So anyways, we go in the DA, P51D was the choice he made. We merge, turn a little, i'm on his six, i'm in pursuit for the lenght of the canyons..... darn, he's not turning. So i'm D800 behind. I start to shoot seeing he's not going to turn. Almost ran out of ammo lol. Eventually have enough hits and he goes "boom". He tells me my gunnery sux.. lmao He logged, never had a rematch.
such a class act and an acm hero :rofl :rofl :rofl
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But I've seen you fight..when you get chased down, you fight, and do it nicely...just curious why you wouldn't do that more often.
we have different objectives :angel:
My goal is in the MA to get the most kills possible and if I can make it back in once piece its much better. So I will bnz/pick people and try to surprise as many as possible. Agressive when I can, Passive when I have to. I trained the basic ACM skills to have some arguments when cornered but it's only one of the tools in the shed as they say.
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we have different objectives :angel:
My goal is in the MA to get the most kills possible and if I can make it back in once piece its much better. So I will bnz/pick people and try to surprise as many as possible. Agressive when I can, Passive when I have to. I trained the basic ACM skills to have some arguments when cornered but it's only one of the tools in the shed as they say.
So, your objective is to milk the community as much as possible for score.... at least you own up to it. :aok No different than folks that only look for undefended bases to capture... its their right to do so... but they will get no respect from me. :aok
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Chalenge got his wife via mail order :old:
gfg
titanic you will never own anyone in anything. . .
The whole reason nrshida brought the argument in here...In reality his own ACM is about dirt poor and that is not up for argument.
:rofl
this is the guy that goes crazy whenever someone proposes a change to the ENY system in the Wishlist forum because he can't fly anything except a pony...
and he can only do that at ~30k ;---)
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This sums it up nicely, except it doesn't quite 'come together' so much as it occupies the same space. Any fair fight you have, you have to create for yourself and the rest of the arena may move in your direction at any time to horn in on your fight. I think that's the main source of the friction, is people are having a fair fight, then other people appear that affect that fair fight.
Well said and thank you. My wordsmithing sometimes leaves a lot to be desired.
Looking at the title of this thread got me to thinking. Being labeled a picker seems to be directly tied to whether or not someone could beat you in a traditional dogfight or not. Fester is the classic example for me. My AH infancy included the constant scourge of Fester zooming around in a 262 picking the ever-loving-hell out of anything and everything. I think I can count on one hand the times I saw Fester not in a 262. Yet, nobody seriously considered him a picker. I realize he's been around since Moby Dick was a minnow, and he certainly has a bit of an ACM master reputation, but does that make one immune from the label of "picker"?
I also remember a thread in which he posted his motivations were actually trying to live through every sortie, and that when he finally died, he kind of lost interest in the game. That's certainly different than the absolute warrior ethos many champion... but is it wrong?
These questions vex me. Also, I have almost nothing to do at work today. Sorry dudes.
:salute
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Looking at the title of this thread got me to thinking. Being labeled a picker seems to be directly tied to whether or not someone could beat you in a traditional dogfight or not. Fester is the classic example for me. My AH infancy included the constant scourge of Fester zooming around in a 262 picking the ever-loving-hell out of anything and everything. I think I can count on one hand the times I saw Fester not in a 262. Yet, nobody seriously considered him a picker. I realize he's been around since Moby Dick was a minnow, and he certainly has a bit of an ACM master reputation, but does that make one immune from the label of "picker"?
I also remember a thread in which he posted his motivations were actually trying to live through every sortie, and that when he finally died, he kind of lost interest in the game. That's certainly different than the absolute warrior ethos many champion... but is it wrong?
These questions vex me. Also, I have almost nothing to do at work today. Sorry dudes.
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That's a point that doesn't get brought up much, because from what I've seen very few guys who are top shelf duelists pick in the MA. Most of the people who whine about being picked usually do so because in their opinion that guy never would've beaten them in a fair fight. Then comes the DA challenge, then comes the forum thread whether the DA challenge happens or not.
Occasionally, you've got a guy like Fester who can take 99% of the people who talk crap at him.
Mentioning Fester does remind me of one time though that applies to the whole difference in goals mentioned in this thread.
I was in the MA and an enemy 262 was laying waste to a friendly conga line in between two bases. 'Enemy 262 in the area' is one of the fastest ways to get me to up a 262. A lot of people who run them don't dogfight terribly well on equal terms in them with some notable exceptions of course.
We found each other, with prop planes from both sides within icon range and started to fight. I figured out after about 2 turns this was one of those notable exception type guys. I knew from my trip over to the feeding 262 that there were a handful of friendly ponies headed that way grabbing. I had my hands full just staying away from the sharp end of his plane, never mind getting a firing solution on him, but I was having success not getting shot.
I changed my goal from killing him to bleeding his E and alt while keeping the fight more towards the friendlies than the red guys who were headed towards us. I had to evade a couple of passes from enemy aircraft during the fight, but eventually what wound up happening was a friendly pony managed to wound the 262, at that point I closed in and finished it, don't recall getting the kill or not though. Turned out it was Fester.
Now I can already hear the fair fight brigade sucking wind to berate me for not fighting fair. The way I look at the MA, that is an example of exactly the difference between a duel and an MA fight. Our sides were clashing, and I used the resources I had to kill him. My goal wasn't to have a Marquis of Queensbury duel with the other guy in the jet, it was to get him to stop inhibiting my side's control over that airspace. I succeeded in that instance.
I don't think much of people that fly around exclusively looking for people to pick, and only ever pick, but it is one of the tools in the box that does help your side control airspace effectively.
Wiley.
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So, your objective is to milk the community as much as possible for score.... at least you own up to it. :aok No different than folks that only look for undefended bases to capture... its their right to do so... but they will get no respect from me. :aok
I like the term "milking the community" :lol but nowadays its most the bish most precisely :D
When I go shoot planes down I score as fighter and when I carry bombs I score as attacker it's that simple. But a double digit name in lights is always enjoyable to me :aok
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The way I was told fits AH for specifics;
Cherrying Uppers
Picking Fighters
Some of the guys much newer than me have even more bizarre definitions; Vulching being engaging a con with low alt or E, that was my favourite.
Unfortunately, the way you were told is incorrect. "Cherry picking" has always been defined in the online flight sim community as previously mentioned in my other post, it's just been shortened to "picking" for ease of use, not to change the meaning. Just because people come up with their own definition doesn't change the original definition. It's like vulching, it's always meant to engage someone that is in the process of taking off or landing and not the popular misconception of enagaging a plane low and slow on the deck.
ack-ack
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Yes, nrshida, you hit the nail right n the head! A guy that has 28 kills out of 58 sorties knows more about acm then somoene with 153 kills and four deaths. Call the air force, navy and marine corps and let them know they have this ace thing all backwards!
Your "153 kills vs. 4 deaths" doesn't indicate any knowledge, let alone prowess in ACM. It just means you're a rather timid player that strives not to get himself into positions where anything other than bouncing or picking the enemy is required. When caught in a 1v1 or in a situation where you have to fight your way out of, you're pretty much clueless if you can't nose over and dive and runaway because you've come to the realization that fighting is a serious part of the game you lack, so you resort to timid tactics to make up for your short comings.
ack-ack
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Chalenge got his wife via mail order :old:
gfg
:rofl
this is the guy that goes crazy whenever someone proposes a change to the ENY system in the Wishlist forum because he can't fly anything except a pony...
and he can only do that at ~30k ;---)
C'mon now Combz. No matter how much you don't like a guy in the game, family matters or personal business shouldn't be brought up here man. Yeah, he said some out of line things about Ink, but still, 2 wrongs don't make a right. :salute
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Chalenge brought it up himself in another thread, I'm not mentioning anything that isn't already a known fact ;o
And hey, I didn't insult his family like he did to ink :old:
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It's like vulching, it's always meant to engage someone that is in the process of taking off or landing and not the popular misconception of enagaging a plane low and slow on the deck.
Assuming a vulture is the tag for someone vulching other players, "the ground" seems to extend to above 5k these days...
(http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7849/vulturem.jpg)
(And no, it wasn't a 'pick' either, there were no other cons around at all ;) )
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Assuming a vulture is the tag for someone vulching other players, "the ground" seems to extend to above 5k these days...
(http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7849/vulturem.jpg)
(And no, it wasn't a 'pick' either, there were no other cons around at all ;) )
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There's no use in wasting you breath with him. Chalenge flat out knows it all, he is right and everyone else is stupid and wrong.
Quoted for absolute truth :banana:
100 on Titan vs NoChalengeVoss
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I get picks, I give picks, but it's the 12 v Me that I just gotta gripe about sometimes - in this situation, would it be moraly correct to call the now-baker's-dozen a picknit basket on 200?
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Quoted for absolute truth :banana:
100 on Titan vs NoChalengeVoss
Only 100? I'm offended. :old:
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Only 100? I'm offended. :old:
He is trying to support a family in FL as well as having blown a chunk of change on some new guns. Be happy he's prying the 100 out!
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I get picks, I give picks, but it's the 12 v Me that I just gotta gripe about sometimes - in this situation, would it be moraly correct to call the now-baker's-dozen a picknit basket on 200?
yes.
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This thread is so full of awesome aces! :P
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I am with SirNuke. Seems to me we can cherry pick, gulch, bnz, or mix it in some sort of suicidal death wish frenzy as we wish
We just choose what ever takes our fancy at the time......... There ain't no rulz...... There ain't no etiquette ......
Unless the individual wishes to apply it to himself......any assumption to expect it of others or indeed lobby for it here is really an attempt to make others do as one would have them do........ Better just to do as we would have others do to us IMO.
The beauty of the MA is that we should expect nothing from our opponents ............... Anything goes......
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I've seen everything as fair game. Whether it's picking, HOing, ganging... if you died in one of these scenerios it's because you failed to keep up your SA and got killed. I would know, I died these ways every day because of lack of SA. Why someone feels the need to jump in on a red guy who's already out numbered 4 to 1, I still have yet to understand this. Don't worry too much about pickers. If you see one diving in on your 1v1 they are either a bad pilot, a bad shot, or (usually) both. Just turn into his attack, force the overshoot, rolling back into him and fill him with led!
The less time you spend worrying about how "dweeby" someone else flies and the more time you spend on thinking how you can shoot them down, the better you will become.
Gets my vote for best reply to this thread. It truly explains my attitude towards these things.
I don't understand sending an angry pm to other players that don't fly the way you want them to. Any way you cut it, in the end it's your own darn fault.
Caveat. Words cannot express the hatred I have for the pony that HOs and then extends to 7k or runs to ack. I will send this person an angry pm once they've bled out from that 800yrd ping I gave them on the reversal.
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I am with SirNuke.
Thats one thing. An other is, Nuke never ever insults anyone about what a newb they are and how do they suck. Also, in fact, he knows how to handle a co-E, same planes 1v1 other than the instant ackrunning.
What i wanted to say. Nuke isnt one of my favourites - betcha its working vice versa too. But he isnt generating instad hatred from everyone.
If that means something.
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I remember when I pressed Nuke about his picking of my fight with someone, he gladly took up the DA offer.
More pickers need that built into their characters :old:
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I remember when I pressed Nuke about his picking of my fight with someone, he gladly took up the DA offer.
More pickers need that built into their characters :old:
So a picker that is known to both handle is airplane well in a traditional dogfight AND accepts DA challenges by aggrieved pilots is more palatable and actually accepted over the same activity by someone who does not.
I was right!
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Is this thread about picking or about how some would like to define "nice soldiers"........
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Is this thread about picking or about how some would like to define "nice soldiers"........
I am afraid one of us couldnt get the OPs main point.
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You two have completely different playing styles that is all. Chalenge plays as if he were flying for real and will avoid going into a situation where he's not in complete control. Nothing really wrong with that IMO, but most of us would find that style to be boring and less rewarding.
Now Shida on the other hand IMO...likes the excitement of close, fast in your face air combat which most of the player base enjoys. A death is really no big deal as you can up rinse and repeat.
It's just 2 different approaches to the game. Neither is right or wrong.
Picking is just a term people made up for explaining away their lack of SA or their target fixation.
If our lives were actually on the line, wouldn't we all be pickers? Yes I know...our lives are not actually in danger. And that's why I play the way I do. It's just a mindset or approach to game play.
This statement…
Picking is just a term people made up for explaining away their lack of SA or their target fixation.
…stirred me to a response. So here it is.
“Picking” – Definition: To engage a bandit who is engaged with a friendly for the purpose of getting an easy kill, without being asked by friendly for assistance, and not having asked the friendly if it was OK.
“Picker” – Definition: Someone who gets 30% or more of their kills by “picking”.
This is not to be confused with…
“Clearing” – Definition: Killing a bandit engaged with a friendly at the request of the friendly.
“Furballing” – Definition: Engaged in a multi-bandit, multi-friendly dog fight with too many targets for a pilot to track and react to. Hence every plane is a potential threat, to everyone.
“Ganging” – Definition: When the Friendly vs. Bandit is equal to or greater than 2:1
“Defending” – Definition: All combat in the act of preserving a map resource. I.E. a field, CV, Port, Town, V-Base, etc...
The other acts as described are not “picking”. They may seem the same (shooting a pilot when engaged with another), but circumstances determine how the act is defined. In all other acts, shooting an engaged bandit is perfectly acceptable. Note: It’s never “Picking”, if you kill someone who is “ganging”. Ganging is never perfectly fine, but that’s a different discussion.
Picking, as defined here, is always lame. It’s unsportsmanlike to your team mates, as well as your competitors. If you want a kill, you should earn it like your team is trying do. If you fail to respect your team mates and your competitors, you are rightfully mocked as a tool. Yes, you paid your $15.00, but so did the two people whose fight you ruined. Nothing in the MA prevents bad behavior, only you can do that. Pretending that it’s not bad behavior is “rationalization”, or the act of convincing yourself that you are not a tool. Some Pickers are those dysfunctional types that psychotically enjoy other people’s unhappiness. Many are just clueless and wrapped up the moment. They see a bad guy and they are programmed to kill it, so they do. But there are some who find it the only way to compete. They are driven by the frustration of their lack of Dog fighting success, and since they feel no sense of mercy from anyone in the MA, they extend none. Everyone falls into situations where they pick someone. I’ve done it. I try to avoid it, because I respect the right of my teammates to fight their own fights. I don’t gripe about every pick. The MA is a helter-skelter kind of place, stuff happens.
I do have little respect for the career pickers. You know the ones. 90% of their kills are picks. They cruise around the map at alt in a Pony, Dora, or Perk ride, looking for distracted targets they can steal from their teammates. If anyone turns toward them, they run. These folks are parasites, adding nothing to the game for anyone. They fail the golden rule test. The Golden Rule: “If everyone played like me, would the game be better or worse?” Imagine how terrible this game would be, if everyone spent all their time trying to climb to higher alt than everyone else, and then running away from anyone that was co-alt or higher? After you spent two nights burning tank after tank of virtual gas, only to land time after time with all your bullets, you would quit and find a fun game to play. Career pickers should be called out for their lameness, because the game is only as good as the quality of its players. Career pickers, are not quality players.
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Is this thread about picking or about how some would like to define "nice soldiers"........
Yes.
No, players invented the derogatory term 'pick' to accurately describe that it involves less skill than actually earning your kill through ACM. In my experience all of the picker specialists have realised they can't do the ACM to a high level so do this instead. You can try to equate it all you like, but I'm never going to agree that picking is anywhere near on the same skill or merit level as ACM-based fighting and I don't think you will find many who are willing to agree with you either.
The above is the generally accepted opinion held by the community if we were to simply say the word "picker". Most of those who get that label primarily use picking/wingman tactics ("loose deuce" flying strongly encourages picking) to get their kills. What I have noticed in my short stay on these boards, is that there are those members who fly in an almost identical fashion to the "pickers" yet get no such label.
Lack of ACM accreditation seems to be the qualifier. I think it's entirely relevant to the discussion. Do you like to pick? Hate that ugly name? Study, practice, obtain accreditation, and keep flying the same way. Done.
:salute
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This, is, without a doubt, a pick. :aok
http://www.mediafire.com/?j3xkixdceu37h76
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This, is, without a doubt, a pick. :aok
http://www.mediafire.com/?j3xkixdceu37h76
lolz.... yuppers! :aok
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Thats one thing. An other is, Nuke never ever insults anyone about what a newb they are and how do they suck. Also, in fact, he knows how to handle a co-E, same planes 1v1 other than the instant ackrunning.
What i wanted to say. Nuke isnt one of my favourites - betcha its working vice versa too. But he isnt generating instad hatred from everyone.
If that means something.
lol thanks debrody I appreciate the gesture, I have nothing against you since you put some water in your whine ;)
I remember when I pressed Nuke about his picking of my fight with someone, he gladly took up the DA offer.
More pickers need that built into their characters :old:
I remember that, was coming from a month break and got my booty spanked, great dust shake that was.
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I do have little respect for the career pickers. You know the ones. 90% of their kills are picks. They cruise around the map at alt in a Pony, Dora, or Perk ride, looking for distracted targets they can steal from their teammates. If anyone turns toward them, they run. These folks are parasites, adding nothing to the game for anyone. They fail the golden rule test. The Golden Rule: “If everyone played like me, would the game be better or worse?” Imagine how terrible this game would be, if everyone spent all their time trying to climb to higher alt than everyone else, and then running away from anyone that was co-alt or higher? After you spent two nights burning tank after tank of virtual gas, only to land time after time with all your bullets, you would quit and find a fun game to play. Career pickers should be called out for their lameness, because the game is only as good as the quality of its players. Career pickers, are not quality players.
Thanks for taking the time to type this out, it is exactly the way I feel and why I typed "milking the community" to sir nuke earlier in this thread... I've said the exact same thing to squaddies just recently after watching/chasing several of these types and trying to engage them...
quick story- one night me and some squaddies were getting harassed by a cowardly picking pony that would never engage until we had a few on us and if you climbed up to meet him he would fly out of sight like he's leaving only to come back when you got engaged and do a one pass and run like hell. So 2 of us upped -4hogs and climbed out to meet him... we flew in 2 directions to cutoff his escape, he must have saw us on dar and slight nose down dove out for almost 2 sectors deep into his country... my squaddie got bored an rtb'd... I climbed up to see if he would try to come back with alt, a couple of times he did, but when he saw I was higher(even before icon range) he dove back to friendly territory... I finally gave up... just as lame as any gaming experience could get... mind you that when we were engaged he was very aggressive and not a bad shot, so it wasn't a newb... So I told a squaddie that I didn't recognize the guy's name and asked if he was new, they told me he was not new and that he was a trainer.... WTF??? Training others to play this way????
To be clear, I don't mind someone occasionally playing this way, as I believe in mixing up your gaming experience... but the ones that always play this way are on the bottom of the barrel in my opinion. I have more respect for midHOwhotwit than these types, at least he puts himself in the fight. :aok
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I have more respect for midHOwhotwit than these types, at least he puts himself in the fight. :aok
Never, ever, ever say this out loud again. This is a thought that should never be articulated in any way, not ever :D
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Thanks for taking the time to type this out, it is exactly the way I feel and why I typed "milking the community" to sir nuke earlier in this thread... I've said the exact same thing to squaddies just recently after watching/chasing several of these types and trying to engage them...
quick story- one night me and some squaddies were getting harassed by a cowardly picking pony that would never engage until we had a few on us and if you climbed up to meet him he would fly out of sight like he's leaving only to come back when you got engaged and do a one pass and run like hell. So 2 of us upped -4hogs and climbed out to meet him... we flew in 2 directions to cutoff his escape, he must have saw us on dar and slight nose down dove out for almost 2 sectors deep into his country... my squaddie got bored an rtb'd... I climbed up to see if he would try to come back with alt, a couple of times he did, but when he saw I was higher(even before icon range) he dove back to friendly territory... I finally gave up... just as lame as any gaming experience could get... mind you that when we were engaged he was very aggressive and not a bad shot, so it wasn't a newb... So I told a squaddie that I didn't recognize the guy's name and asked if he was new, they told me he was not new and that he was a trainer.... WTF??? Training others to play this way????
To be clear, I don't mind someone occasionally playing this way, as I believe in mixing up your gaming experience... but the ones that always play this way are on the bottom of the barrel in my opinion. I have more respect for midHOwhotwit than these types, at least he puts himself in the fight. :aok
pfft
thats one guy being a tard
I was in TT in my Ki headed to a bish field...I am about 9 k I see some dots down low....... 6 of them so I drop nose and go to check them out...it is 5 cons on 1 green guy...as I get to them (I still had about 2K on them) the green guy dies.......im not kidding dude as one they dropped their noses and hit the deck..made their way to the base ack.......5 cons running from 1 KI
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I only ever pick or steal bad guys from squad mates, but that's a culture RTHolmes has tried to foster, because there's nothing quite like a squad mate rant on the squad channel to make everyone giggle. Krusty hasn't flown for a while but DaPacman is quickly taking over the role of chief ranter. I have been known to show indignation at B2B or Holmes stealing yet another kill from me that I've filled with 50% of my BB load.
Anyone else does that to me though and I'll log and yell at the kids and kick the cat and then get evil drunk and fall asleep on the toilet. I'm tired of people calling AH a game. This is serious stuff, man!
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Well said Vink!!! My vote for post of the year.
SkyRock. Two names instantly popped in my head as I read your example.
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This, is, without a doubt, a pick. :aok
http://www.mediafire.com/?j3xkixdceu37h76
what!? thats a pick? why? seems like the guy had plenty of time to take a look back. guess i better start flying tanks then. bc i dream of those shots.
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Well said Vink!!! My vote for post of the year.
SkyRock. Two names instantly popped in my head as I read your example.
(tips hat) Mak :D :salute
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Well said Vink!!! My vote for post of the year.
SkyRock. Two names instantly popped in my head as I read your example.
bet i know those names...... word scramble.....yrkco....is one, ...ierrap... is the other. big chickens
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bet i know those names...... word scramble.....yrkco....is one, ...ierrap... is the other. big chickens
Lol Al!!! You got one. The other is a Rook though.
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Lol Al!!! You got one. The other is a Rook though.
haha bet i know that one too. if hes around the area im in. i go somewhere else, bc he will wait for you to do all the work, and then like a true hero, drop in and steal your kill. but at least he will tell you to chck your guns. several of those guys on my team.
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Picking is just a term people made up for explaining away their lack of SA or their target fixation.
98.4% of the time when I die, I blame myself in some way, shape, or form.
A couple weeks ago, I was having a wonderful little running fight with a couple of the 80th guys. I was mostly (completely?) getting my arse handed to me, but in the spirit of the prevailing wisdom of this BBS I was seeking out these guys who have mastered the 38. I was looking for the honorable fight, even if I was outnumbered most of the time. There was an interloper or two throughout this series of fights, but I successfully avoided most of them. Then... BAM. Tower. I see a familiar name. Now I know he wasn't one of the 38's... where the hell did he come from? How did I not see him? :headscratch: OMG, I'm such an idiot. :bhead A PM to the pilot confirmed that he had come from outside of the fight. Instead of hateful, "You picked me you f*%#@^g tool", I instead blamed my poor SA for not knowing he was there. Had I got vis on him before he killed me, I doubt I would have felt much different.
Differences in worldview, I suppose.
:cheers:
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Triton posts like that smother the flames of drama in threads like this one. So please in the future try not to be so self-centered and inconsiderate.
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pfft
thats one guy being a tard
I was in TT in my Ki headed to a bish field...I am about 9 k I see some dots down low....... 6 of them so I drop nose and go to check them out...it is 5 cons on 1 green guy...as I get to them (I still had about 2K on them) the green guy dies.......im not kidding dude as one they dropped their noses and hit the deck..made their way to the base ack.......5 cons running from 1 KI
That's because Ki-84's are "teh sCaRy!" :lol
P.S. I think I got my controller issues worked out....I'll yell at ya next time I see ya online for some 1 v 1 training time..thanks :salute
Zaphod
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Triton posts like that smother the flames of drama in threads like this one. So please in the future try not to be so self-centered and inconsiderate.
:rofl
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Ya Triton, these threads are not for self reflection, they are for ego inflating blame spewing....get with the program. ;)
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That's because Ki-84's are "teh sCaRy!" :lol
P.S. I think I got my controller issues worked out....I'll yell at ya next time I see ya online for some 1 v 1 training time..thanks :salute
Zaphod
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cc that....thats cool stick issues suk :(
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A couple weeks ago, I was having a wonderful little running fight with a couple of the 80th guys. I was mostly (completely?) getting my arse handed to me, but in the spirit of the prevailing wisdom of this BBS I was seeking out these guys who have mastered the 38. I was looking for the honorable fight, even if I was outnumbered most of the time. There was an interloper or two throughout this series of fights, but I successfully avoided most of them. Then... BAM. Tower. I see a familiar name. Now I know he wasn't one of the 38's... where the hell did he come from? How did I not see him? :headscratch: OMG, I'm such an idiot. :bhead A PM to the pilot confirmed that he had come from outside of the fight. Instead of hateful, "You picked me you f*%#@^g tool", I instead blamed my poor SA for not knowing he was there. Had I got vis on him before he killed me, I doubt I would have felt much different.
Well, what is your opinion of that guy... the one that jumped in an already outnumbered fight for the red guy to steal the kill... the OP wanted you to discuss picking.... please don't say "it was my own fault"... we'd rather know how you really feel about what that guy did and what you think of that type of play... 'I see a familiar name' you say, so you know he's not new, and I sense you know he is known for doing this... what is your opinion on a vet who always seeks out that type of engagement?
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Picking. BnZing. Taking a pass and running.
It's all the same. It's a way to engage a person without putting yourself at risk.
If you don't like it, go to the dueling arena, and stay there. Because obviously the scary possibility that someone might work at preserving their aircraft, and give you as little chance to respond is one that you don't like.
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blah blah blah, I support lame gameplay!
fixed! :aok
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Because obviously the scary possibility that someone might work at preserving their aircraft, and give you as little chance to respond is one that you don't like.
Preserving their virtual aircraft is of course a very important aspect of keeping these old historical aircraft flying, it's not like they grow on trees in Aces High after all.
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I have a question that maybe the experts can answer about picking.
If your nose is on strike would you pick it?
:salute
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Preserving their virtual aircraft is of course a very important aspect of keeping these old historical aircraft flying, it's not like they grow on trees in Aces High after all.
:rofl
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98.4% of the time when I die, I blame myself in some way, shape, or form.
A couple weeks ago, I was having a wonderful little running fight with a couple of the 80th guys. I was mostly (completely?) getting my arse handed to me, but in the spirit of the prevailing wisdom of this BBS I was seeking out these guys who have mastered the 38. I was looking for the honorable fight, even if I was outnumbered most of the time. There was an interloper or two throughout this series of fights, but I successfully avoided most of them. Then... BAM. Tower. I see a familiar name. Now I know he wasn't one of the 38's... where the hell did he come from? How did I not see him? :headscratch: OMG, I'm such an idiot. :bhead A PM to the pilot confirmed that he had come from outside of the fight. Instead of hateful, "You picked me you f*%#@^g tool", I instead blamed my poor SA for not knowing he was there. Had I got vis on him before he killed me, I doubt I would have felt much different.
Differences in worldview, I suppose.
:cheers:
Triton ALWAYS fights :aok :salute
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Without going through all of the "you don't play like I want you to play whines" AGAIN, as this horse has been ground to dust already...
the bottom line is, this game has a several different ways to enjoy the game. You can pick and choose any one of them at will. You don't have to fly in the MA or near the busiest bases were the odds of getting picked go up 10000%.
I loved almost every one of the different "fighting styles" in this game. They all provide and demand different skill sets. I have been in 3, 4, and 5v1's and come out on top in every imaginable scenario and died in the same scenarios 98% of the time. Only I didn't complain when I died. As some of the wisest here have already said, I blamed myself.
If all of you 1v1 tards got your way in the MA, this game would be dead. There would be no Levi, or Grizz to aspire to become. It would be so diddlying boring that no one would ever come back to it.
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2 v 1 where both cons fully engage....fun
2 v 1 where one con engages and the other sits high waiting for easy shots...not fun.
I'm a 1 v 1 tard....i guess...but it's about actually fighting. In the second example 2 out of 3 are fighting...the high con not fighting will most likely get the kill....
Is it starting to make sense...."It's about the fight" doesn't have a secret 1 v 1 meaning behind it...if your only they for the kill...you are missing the combat portion of this game.
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Wah, Wah, people are using their altitude advantage they have against me!
People are so picky in this game.
"Oh, you can use an altitude advantage you have... BUT! You can ONLY use it like this, and ONLY this specific situation, and ONLY with these aircraft! Otherwise you HAVE to come down and turn fight! You're not allowed to do anything else!"
BnZing, Picking, whatever. It's the same damn thing.
It's using an altitude advantage you have over someone else to give the hostile the least chance to hit you back.
Don't like that? Go to the DA and you'll never have to worry about someone having 5k feet on ya ever again.
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Don't like that? Go to the DA and you'll never have to worry about someone having 5k feet on ya ever again.
This statement is about as true as midway being in the top 2%.
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BnZing, Picking, whatever. It's the same damn thing.
It's using an altitude advantage you have over someone else to give the hostile the least chance to hit you back.
Umm... no, it's not the same.
You don't need an alt advantage to pick. You only have to go after enemies that are already engaged thereby posing no threat to you.
B'n'Zing on the other hand can be honorable sport. The only problem is so few know how to use it to press an attack without running. A good B'n'Zer will beat any plane in the game on repeated passes without extending more than 2.0-3.0K.
These two things are worlds apart.
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People are so picky in this game.
"Oh, you can use an altitude advantage you have... BUT! You can ONLY use it like this, and ONLY this specific situation, and ONLY with these aircraft! Otherwise you HAVE to come down and turn fight! You're not allowed to do anything else!"
BnZing, Picking, whatever. It's the same damn thing.
It's using an altitude advantage you have over someone else to give the hostile the least chance to hit you back.
Don't like that? Go to the DA and you'll never have to worry about someone having 5k feet on ya ever again.
you haven't read the thread have you? nobody said don't use your altitude advantage, altitude has nothing to do with picking.... get it? So, your "go to DA" hard talk is off point. The thread is about picking. :aok
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Umm... no, it's not the same.
You don't need an alt advantage to pick. You only have to go after enemies that are already engaged thereby posing no threat to you.
B'n'Zing on the other hand can be honorable sport. The only problem is so few know how to use it to press an attack without running. A good B'n'Zer will beat any plane in the game on repeated passes without extending more than 2.0-3.0K.
These two things are worlds apart.
QFT! :aok
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The thread is about picking. :aok
http://www.frogview.com/show5.php?file=8561
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titanic you will never own anyone in anything. . .
The whole reason nrshida brought the argument in here is because this is where the DA crybabies hang out and he knows he can get support here. In reality his own ACM is about dirt poor and that is not up for argument.
Keep trying titanic. One day you may actually hit that tiger on the concrete. . . with your face probably.
This is shocking to bring up Shidas ACM :old:
He IS trying to improve but he finds it very hard due to his obsession with Bruce Springsteen :old:
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This is shocking to bring up Shidas ACM :old:
He IS trying to improve but he finds it very hard due to his obsession with Bruce Springsteen :old:
Shut it Zack, I can nearly take off unassisted now :old:
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http://www.frogview.com/show5.php?file=8561
Wow, those lemons are beautiful! :banana:
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I didn't see any lemons :headscratch:
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you haven't read the thread have you? nobody said don't use your altitude advantage, altitude has nothing to do with picking.... get it? So, your "go to DA" hard talk is off point. The thread is about picking. :aok
Bloody hell. I've been trying to follow the thread, but I've picked up at least 3 different ideas of what 'Picking' is. I had to pick one and go with it.
Okay, so it's 'Picking off someone who is already engaged'? Then the DA comment is still valid. Only this time, it's not altitude advantage, but numeral advantage.
If the idea of there being more than one con wanting to kill you, then the DA is for you. Not the MA.
Heck, how do you know that you've been 'picked'? The pilots could have been communicating, and you just got taken by pilot acting as Bait and Drag. Or is using a tactic like Bait and Drag, and setting you up for the other pilot to easily kill, 'unsportsman' like?
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Heck, how do you know that you've been 'picked'?
Some of us have played this game a bloody hell long time.... and we bloody hell know what a pick is, and we bloody hell know who does it exclusively.... we have stated that we bloody hell think those that only cherry pick furballs and outnumbered cons are bloody hell lame...
and by the bloody hell way, you sound like you just want to bloody hell argue... :devil
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Bloody hell. I've been trying to follow the thread, but I've picked up at least 3 different ideas of what 'Picking' is. I had to pick one and go with it.
Okay, so it's 'Picking off someone who is already engaged'? Then the DA comment is still valid. Only this time, it's not altitude advantage, but numeral advantage.
If the idea of there being more than one con wanting to kill you, then the DA is for you. Not the MA.
Heck, how do you know that you've been 'picked'? The pilots could have been communicating, and you just got taken by pilot acting as Bait and Drag. Or is using a tactic like Bait and Drag, and setting you up for the other pilot to easily kill, 'unsportsman' like?
You are either insanely stupid, or never been in the DA.
I DO pick. I DO BnZ. But when there is a fight between more or less equal planes, i wont run to my ack, i wont ask my countrymen to jump in and ruin my fun - the fight.
If you have to dog pile, tag team, what ever someone, thats like shouting out loudly: I AM WAY INFERIOR TO THIS GUY, ALSO I DONT HAVE BALLS FOR A FAIR FIGHT, NOR WILLING TO IMPROVE. Way to go.
Of course, in a 10v10 furball, i wont try to fight 1v1s, i will even drag a spit, but never when its a more or less equal 1v1. Because sometimes those happen too. And that puts a smile on my face.
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Shida still uses the Stall Limiter :old:
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Shida still uses the Stall Limiter :old:
Ssssh. Stop giving away my fuel conservation secrets. :old:
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Well, what is your opinion of that guy... the one that jumped in an already outnumbered fight for the red guy to steal the kill... the OP wanted you to discuss picking.... please don't say "it was my own fault"... we'd rather know how you really feel about what that guy did and what you think of that type of play... 'I see a familiar name' you say, so you know he's not new, and I sense you know he is known for doing this... what is your opinion on a vet who always seeks out that type of engagement?
He's a good stick. He can and has beat me 1 v 1, so no, I don't think he necessarily has to pick to get kills. Even though his plane choice is sometimes associated with something other than turn fighting, I doubt very seriously he has a reputation of picking with anyone. Quite the opposite, actually. That was kind of my point in some of my earlier posts. The definition of a "picker" is different for many who've posted. Known ACM knowledge, percentage of kills gotten through picking, etc. are just some of the qualifiers. To me that doesn't matter. A pick is a pick. If you despise the act, why does it matter who's doing it?
Given that I can't control the actions of others (and as we've discussed, sometimes 'picking' is totally in bounds), I think it's on me to develop the skills to counter the numbskullery I'll no doubt encounter. The flying of a few pilots I've seen in my limited time support this. There are those who are so hard to pick as to be nearly impossible. If you so choose to pick them, your timing and angle had better be pretty much perfect. I see no reason why I can't develop my SA/plane control to something that resembles that.
That said, I'm not above rage kicking a puppy when stupid stuff happens. What I've noticed though, is I'm kicking the puppy because I wasn't smarter than the other guy. When I feel like I did everything I could to avoid death but still got towered, I feel remarkably serene. My puppy is then safe. :D
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