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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: MarineUS on February 09, 2013, 06:17:23 AM
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6e0_1360266647
Favorite thing about it? The part where he says "I'm a soldier" and the cop says "you're dealing with a Marine"
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:rofl :rofl "I'm completely done"
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This is a huge topic on a different forum I frequent. It comes down to who was the instigator, who deserved what, what was rightful in "use of force", and dealing with the situation on familiar term (grunt vs leatherneck with some posturing involved). Ultimately, the LEO stopped the situation with serving the soldier a bit a his own medicine. What it right while wearing the uniform of a COP against a civilian? The jury is out. I know the odds of me going that far that quickly are very slim, I'm more of a "hey, I'm here to help you so don't work against me" type of guy in those situations. I'm not a veteran so I wouldn't have a comeback to combat that (no pun intended), but I know enough about the happenings in the military to throw back at him something about respecting authority and as a soldier he know there are many things above him that he cant control, and now that I'm here the situation is no different but instead of him getting kp or latrine duty he'd go to jail for being an obstructionist. :D
Ultimately, I think was an alright move. The slap was a wake up call and nothing more. Notice how the hostile situation ended with the slap? While I certainly do not condone it, I can't condemn it either. The LEO made a judgement call to deal with it on the level he did and it worked.
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I don't blame that former Marine for taking offense when that guy got in his face and tried playing the I'm a US Solder card while not acting like a solder.
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This is a huge topic on a different forum I frequent. It comes down to who was the instigator, who deserved what, what was rightful in "use of force", and dealing with the situation on familiar term (grunt vs leatherneck with some posturing involved). Ultimately, the LEO stopped the situation with serving the soldier a bit a his own medicine. What it right while wearing the uniform of a COP against a civilian? The jury is out. I know the odds of me going that far that quickly are very slim, I'm more of a "hey, I'm here to help you so don't work against me" type of guy in those situations. I'm not a veteran so I wouldn't have a comeback to combat that (no pun intended), but I know enough about the happenings in the military to throw back at him something about respecting authority and as a soldier he know there are many things above him that he cant control, and now that I'm here the situation is no different but instead of him getting kp or latrine duty he'd go to jail for being an obstructionist. :D
Ultimately, I think was an alright move. The slap was a wake up call and nothing more. Notice how the hostile situation ended with the slap? While I certainly do not condone it, I can't condemn it either. The LEO made a judgement call to deal with it on the level he did and it worked.
I noticed how the cops were more interested in boosting up their ego instead of helping the guy who was a victim of an assault. His attitude was bad, granted but if a finnish LEO would have been there they would have helped this guy and apologized for being late instead of slapping him.
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I witnessed a friend arrested in a similar situation. I won't get into the details, but my friend was waving his cigarette in the officer's face, probably within 10 inches (25 cm). However, the officer then proceeded, very calmly, to wave a pair cuffs in my friends face. My friend immediately stopped complaining and allowed the officer to apply the handcuffs without using any force.
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I noticed how the cops were more interested in boosting up their ego instead of helping the guy who was a victim of an assault. His attitude was bad, granted but if a finnish LEO would have been there they would have helped this guy and apologized for being late instead of slapping him.
The soldier lost all credibility when he started swearing and squared up on the officer.....hes lucky a slap is all he got.
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Fat pig used excessive force. Absolutely unacceptable behavior.
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I pray the following:
1) The cops were fired.
2) The cops were prosecuted.
3) The cops were given 5 years hard time.
4) If any of them is actually a Marine, the Marines prosecute him for giving them a bad name.
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Talking hard to LEO is always a bad idea. That said, there will be someone quicker, bigger and stronger than that 'marine'. There was a little more going on than a slap, wasn't there...
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The slap, or the subsequent knee to the chest wasn't necessary IMO. A smarter man could've defused that situation without the use of force. Just like the rest of us, LEO's are human... There's good ones and bad ones.
Obviously, there's fault on both sides. That's just what happens when two idiots confront each other.
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The force may not have been necessary but that soldier woke up real quick when that happened. He needed to be reminded of the following:
1. He's a soldier, he needs to act like it.
2. Marines are simply better than soldiers, even when done with the military. ;)
You guys calling him a pig etc. need a reality check. I bet you condoned that 18 year old girl flipping off the judge.
(Also notice that the cop was incredibly friendly. He accepted his apology, explained why he did what he did. etc.)
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The force may not have been necessary but that soldier woke up real quick when that happened. He needed to be reminded of the following:
1. He's a soldier, he needs to act like it.
2. Marines are simply better than soldiers, even when done with the military. ;)
You guys calling him a pig etc. need a reality check. I bet you condoned that 18 year old girl flipping off the judge.
(Also notice that the cop was incredibly friendly. He accepted his apology, explained why he did what he did. etc.)
This ^^^^^^^^^ well done officer.
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Ahh..yeah. Like Jaeger said "..a smarter man.." plus, a LOT of those LEO's I know, who ARE smarter men, ARE Marines.
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That's just what happens when two idiots confront each other.
This.
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This.
yeah the one with the badge always wins.
midway
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yeah the one with the badge always wins.
midway
No, not always. You're going to get the name "Combzy Jr" if you keep it up.
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The force may not have been necessary but that soldier woke up real quick when that happened. He needed to be reminded of the following:
1. He's a soldier, he needs to act like it.
2. Marines are simply better than soldiers, even when done with the military. ;)
You guys calling him a pig etc. need a reality check. I bet you condoned that 18 year old girl flipping off the judge.
(Also notice that the cop was incredibly friendly. He accepted his apology, explained why he did what he did. etc.)
1. He's a civilian that called for police assistance (for a very valid claim).
2. That makes absolutely no sense. By making that statement, you've just proved your ignorance. I don't like to say that, because I usually agree with you. Bad form sir.
3. Just because you're a Marine dosen't give you carte blanche to roll over another person's rights.
4. The officer was completely unprofessional. I don't condone what the other moron did, but again... That's what you get when two idiots meet..
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Pretty much in a nutshell what is wrong with our society. Little punks disrespecting the Law and then much of the citizenry screaming for the POs job when all he did was put the punk, who threatened him, in his place. Then they wonder why all these creeps rob them, gang bang them, burgle them, destroy their property, and talk crap to them with no fear of the Law. And they then cry about all the crime.
If this is a jurisdiction that backs its officers over loud mouthed, ignorant little creeps I might just retire there. I work in a city that does the opposite and the result is the Homicide rate due to gangster punks is International news as they are more keen on putting the Police in jail then the criminals. This kid is clearly wrong. You cant gesticulate like that in front of a PO and NOT threaten him. From the beginning he was a whiney little punk. Even when down he showed no courage or honor, my God he even sniveled.
I fought a few Jarheads in my days in USAF. I did well but the thing is while they arent generally to bright when its on its on. And they will keep fighting even if they lose a leg. Hopefully soldier boy learned a lesson. Luckily he's a minority in the Army. I suppose all the services have the occasional whiney little disrespectful snot.
Boy, looking at your C/Os face thru jail bars, after he was called in from the Golf Course to sign your bail, is the last thing you ever want to see in your service years.
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I pray the following:
1) The cops were fired.
2) The cops were prosecuted.
3) The cops were given 5 years hard time.
4) If any of them is actually a Marine, the Marines prosecute him for giving them a bad name.
Which world do you live in??? The cop was well within his rights, the young guy was being a total idiot and failed the "attitude test" inside 30 seconds. Being a soldier does not give you any greater rights than a civilian, and less so when you start shouting about it expecting it to have a bearing on a given situation. The way he behaved was unsoldierly and the fact that he used being in the armed forces as a threat to the cop gives you some kind of indication as to what kind of a guy he is. \Instead of waiting for 45 minutes for the police to arrive and then start getting hard, he should have used the fact that he is a soldier to take his rage out on the guys that had allegedly attacked him? Instead he takes a little slap and lies on the floor crying like a girl.
The police were completely proportionate in their response to the guy and treated him with a whiole lot more respect than they themselves recieved. The only thing the cop did wrong was talk about himself in the Marines, which also had no bearing on the situation
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I went into the local hospital other month, sign on wall said "Anyone being abusive will be ejected from the premises"
Sign did not offend me, just the fact that it was needed :old:
If individuals are so retarded and cannot grasp reality they should be slapped until they do :)
Mouthing off to a policeman in the UK will also get you a slap in the face :)
I blame it on TV and Schools instilling a belief of worth in idiots :old:
"The Few" are not being singled out at all in these comments :old:
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The soldier lost all credibility when he started swearing and squared up on the officer.....hes lucky a slap is all he got.
He had every right for being upset after having to wait 45 minutes for assistance while being assaulted and robbed. It seems he had to call multiple times for the cops to even show up. The cop behaved agressively from the first second towards the victim instead of understanding that he had a good reason for being upset.
I wouldn't want to live in a state with that kind of cops.
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The Cop does not have too understand anything :)
That is it in a nutshell, its not equality thing, the police are a physical representation of the law.
Being upset implies that the individual has the right to express their feelings in what ever manner they choose :)
Freedom of speech and equality does not mean you can do what you like :rofl
Everyone's point of view is important :rofl
Gibberish :rofl
Lots of people are not fit to use a spoon never mind have a point of view :rofl
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The Cop does not have too understand anything :)
That is it in a nutshell, its not equality thing, the police are a physical representation of the law.
Being upset implies that the individual has the right to express their feelings in what ever manner they choose :)
Freedom of speech and equality does not mean you can do what you like :rofl
Everyone's point of view is important :rofl
Gibberish :rofl
Lots of people are not fit to use a spoon never mind have a point of view :rofl
So terror by state is a-ok. I'm glad I don't live down there :rock
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That looks like military housing.....cop did step at him first....marines on this bbs on retarded to think one soldiers actions reflect all the rest of the soldiers...
Plenty of sissies in the marine corps too
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Terror by state is slapping a irate tool?
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Slapping someone like that carries a maximum penalty of one year in prison in my country. Police violence is totally unacceptable unless used in response to violence or if a suspect resists arrest, but even then there are limits. I'm glad we don't have "law enforcement" like that here.
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Law enforcement in Nordic countries is so liberal its shameful :old:
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Neither person in that video used good judgement in my opinion. The soldier shamed his uniform by getting aggressive towards a police officer and expecting special treatment just because he is a soldier. The police officer shamed his uniform by resorting to physical violence too quickly in that situation. Still I can't condemn the Police Officer's actions, I just think he used poor judgement.
Then again I don't walk in his shoes. I think it was an unfortunate incident altogether and does nothing to promote a positive image on the US Army USMC or Law Enforcement.
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He had every right for being upset after having to wait 45 minutes for assistance while being assaulted and robbed. It seems he had to call multiple times for the cops to even show up. The cop behaved agressively from the first second towards the victim instead of understanding that he had a good reason for being upset.
I wouldn't want to live in a state with that kind of cops.
That tells me right there that you are completely de-tuned from the real world. The work load on the LAPD is enormous, and there are too many calls compared to the number of LEO's out there, trust me when I say that. Every call that comes in gets prioritized, and since this guy called in saying he *was* assaulted (but safe now) and he had stuff stolen is different than a shots fired, fatality, assault "in progress", child in danger, etc, etc. If it would have been a slow day then I bet the LEO's would have gotten their sooner, they do what they can do. They are human, not supermen.
There again, I understand the soldier for being upset about the wait but his demeanor and verbal assault towards the LEO was highly uncalled for. As the LEO said, he was not on his schedule (at this point another 10-15 words of explanation probably would have de-escalated the situation, I'm guessing). I'd be willing to bet that the LEO was on another call and as soon as he was able he went to the soldiers call. I've in those shoes before as well. While serving as a deputy ('01-'07) I had to answer a call about a person being detained for suspected shoplifting at a truck stop about 35-40 miles away. On a normal day that would have been a 20-25min trip at an average of 65-70 mph over 2 lane curvy blacktop roads through rural hills. This time however at 1 am in the morning, I was knee deep in the snow helping a wrecker driver hook up to a rolled vehicle as it lay 25 yards off the highway. Did I mention the fresh snow? It wasn't much but it was enough to keep me going less than 55 over hill and dale. Needless to say when I finally arrived almost an hour after the call came in I walked in and immediately was the brunt of the clerk, owner, bystander, and the perp for taking so long. After a stern warning about backing off and giving them 15 seconds worth an explanation all was well. I didn't feel threatened in any way but I did feel very disrespected and unappreciated. Needless to say after seeing the $4 in junk food the perp was accused of stealing (and after detaining the perp), I had a brief conversation with the owner about letting it go because the crime, the paperwork, the court, and all the BS involved wasn't worth it. I scolded the Hell out of the perp and threatened jail time. Instead, I fined the perp for criminal mischief and turned him loose with his date in court.
This thread is full of lots of people judging someone when they (again) do not know the entire story, not ever walked in their shoes, and forget the have the luxury of hindsight. Always remember those three things before passing judgement. Every seen a black COP treat a young black man from the inner city differently than he does a elderly white woman from a rural area? I have. The reason he did so was completely because of the demeanor of the person he was dealing with, and he could get away with it. I couldn't. This guy was awesome at how he could turn on the professional charm vs how he could turn on the inner city "in yo face" attitude when need be. Anyways, I do not believe in the cookie cutter response. Every situation is different and every situation needs certain remedies. The LEO was not out of line.
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I thought the cop was a little quick in resorting to the smack down, but I didn't feel too bad for the young punk either.
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That tells me right there that you are completely de-tuned from the real world.
Or a different country perhaps.
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The force may not have been necessary but that soldier woke up real quick when that happened. He needed to be reminded of the following:
1. He's a soldier, he needs to act like it.
2. Marines are simply better than soldiers, even when done with the military. ;)
You guys calling him a pig etc. need a reality check. I bet you condoned that 18 year old girl flipping off the judge.
(Also notice that the cop was incredibly friendly. He accepted his apology, explained why he did what he did. etc.)
Marines are not better than soldiers, they are just dumber and more poorly equipped.
The "soldier" if he was one, broke NO LAW, made no threats, did not act in a threating manner. The cop was on a power trip, and should be fired and prosecuted for assault.
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He was aggressive, waving a lit cigarette around. He was swearing and abusive, He mentioned his service as a threat rather than a statement " I'm a US soldier man, now you know who your talking yo!"
In UK I would have issued a public order warning for the first incidence of swearing, and then nicked him for the second. A slap or a push are routinely used to prevent a situation escalating. It comes under the 'ways and means act' and whilst the public watching a video in the cold light of day, may draw their own inferences, the way the officer reactedis a vital and oft usedtechnique.
Could the LEO have dealt with thisin a different way? Sure, maybe he could have talked him down, been more empathetic? Quite possibly, but it was his call at the time and resulted in a potentially aggressive little twerp being subdued and defused the the situation expeditiously.
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That tells me right there that you are completely de-tuned from the real world. The work load on the LAPD is enormous, and there are too many calls compared to the number of LEO's out there, trust me when I say that. Every call that comes in gets prioritized, and since this guy called in saying he *was* assaulted (but safe now) and he had stuff stolen is different than a shots fired, fatality, assault "in progress", child in danger, etc, etc. If it would have been a slow day then I bet the LEO's would have gotten their sooner, they do what they can do. They are human, not supermen.
In which way did his attitude help towards getting his job done i.e. responding to the assault/robbery call? He could have just followed by 'take me to the offenders' instead of showing attitude towards the caller. He was more interested in showing off his superiority than taking care of his assignment.
You're probably right about the work load and perhaps this kind of attitude is necessary for them to survive. Again, I feel that's a horrible thing and wouldn't want to live in a society that's so problematic that you can't consider a LEO your friend and helper but a wannabe assailant.
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He was aggressive, waving a lit cigarette around. He was swearing and abusive, He mentioned his service as a threat rather than a statement " I'm a US soldier man, now you know who your talking yo!"
In UK I would have issued a public order warning for the first incidence of swearing, and then nicked him for the second.
Only after the LEO put him off verbally and then approached him agressively. The guy was of course very dumb for mouthing off like that but the whole point is that the police treated HIM as the biggest criminal in the situation while his assaulters were having a party at the house. Very surreal situation.
In fact in http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,345321.0.html and the manifesto related to the thread... It's not hard to believe the points in the manifesto while watching this video and the abusive attitude of the LEOs in question. Its almost as if people were on a 'power high' and vented their anger on bystanders just because they gave a chance for it.
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I thought the cop was a little quick in resorting to the smack down, but I didn't feel too bad for the young punk either.
Theres stuff you didnt see either. I once had some drunken woman knock an unlit cigar out of my mouth showing the same kind of attitude. She caught a slap too. Ive had people spit on me, throw drinks at me. And for nothing. I had shown up to help them.
This kid obviously disrespected the Law. Which also means he disrespected all of you who work hard, pay your taxes, and respect both the Law and your neighbors. He was a snide little loudmouth waving his cigarette around and I wouldnt have taken it either. To his credit he ended up apologizing. I can pretty much figure out what happened, having been to these many times. He was living somewhere where he wasnt wanted anymore and he ended up getting in a fight over it. The Kid is obviously drunk and a Liar. No Police commander would tell him to "F" off on the phone so that makes me doubt the rest of his story as well.
His actions reflected poorly on the US Army, an honorable Institution. If USAF called me and said my kid had done the same I would smack him even harder then this PO did.
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The question isn't whether the kid was a dumbarse or not. He clearly was. The question is whether the LEO handled the situation properly or not. It's pretty clear that the situation didn't need to come to a physical conclusion at that point. A LEO assaulting anyone without warning, is unacceptable. He had MANY options to resolve or defuse the situation without resorting to a right hook. By turning a nonviolent situation into a violent situation without as much as a warning to "STEP BACK, SIR.", he definately is at fault.
I've asked a few LEO's that I know personally what they think about this video, and to the last, they all agreed that this could be handled much better.
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Regardless of whether the Cop was correct or not, this puffed up young punk represented an all to common piss poor lack of respect and common courtesy that is popular in today's tough guy gangsta mentality. He very much deserved the hard drive reboot that he received. The Cop just happened to be the guy willing and capable of doing the public service action.
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Regardless of whether the Cop was correct or not, this puffed up young punk represented an all to common piss poor lack of respect and common courtesy that is popular in today's tough guy gangsta mentality. He very much deserved the hard drive reboot that he received. The Cop just happened to be the guy willing and capable of doing the public service action.
Whether he deserved it or not is moot. The LEO should've handled the situation better than he did. It's not a public service if it's infringing on the rights of the public.
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:D
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Again, I feel that's a horrible thing and wouldn't want to live in a society that's so problematic that you can't consider a LEO your friend and helper but a wannabe assailant.
One would probably get a better response if he treated an LEO like a friend and helper or at least with a modicum of respect.
I still think the cop was a little quick on the draw, but I'm certainly not on the side of the punk.
In my dealings with cops they have responded quite nicely to being shown a little courtesy for a change.
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Cop needs to be fired.
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Cop slapped the wrong soldier (or maybe the right one). I'd still be in jail, but those two tubbies would remember me. ;) Still, I've never used "U.S. Soldier" as a status symbol in my own country. There was no need for that either.
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Theres stuff you didnt see either. I once had some drunken woman knock an unlit cigar out of my mouth showing the same kind of attitude. She caught a slap too. Ive had people spit on me, throw drinks at me. And for nothing. I had shown up to help them.
This kid obviously disrespected the Law. Which also means he disrespected all of you who work hard, pay your taxes, and respect both the Law and your neighbors. He was a snide little loudmouth waving his cigarette around and I wouldnt have taken it either. To his credit he ended up apologizing. I can pretty much figure out what happened, having been to these many times. He was living somewhere where he wasnt wanted anymore and he ended up getting in a fight over it. The Kid is obviously drunk and a Liar. No Police commander would tell him to "F" off on the phone so that makes me doubt the rest of his story as well.
His actions reflected poorly on the US Army, an honorable Institution. If USAF called me and said my kid had done the same I would smack him even harder then this PO did.
wow that is really professional, showing up with a cigarette in your mouth. I wish I could show up to see my customer's with a cigarette in my mouth.
midway
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Cops, in general, are VERY humorless people.>Folks need to remember that when the blue lights come on
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Cops, in general, are VERY humorless people.>Folks need to remember that when the blue lights come on
Red and blue. Yellow for the directional bars. ;)
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wow that is really professional, showing up with a cigarette in your mouth. I wish I could show up to see my customer's with a cigarette in my mouth.
midway
LOL, I thought the same thing, next time I need to interview a PO maybe I'll stroll into the station with an unlit cigar in my mouth and gauge the reaction:)
shamus
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wow that is really professional, showing up with a cigarette in your mouth. I wish I could show up to see my customer's with a cigarette in my mouth.
midway
Professional? He's unprofessional because he had an unlit cigarette in his mouth? Next time he should stick in his ear, this way it's not in his mouth and it's professional. Your posts are just incredible sometimes. By the way, I had NO idea that the "victim" was paying the Peace Officer. He should treat his customers better, sheesh.
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The LEO should've handled the situation better than he did.
Agree, but the young twerp was in need of a serious attitude adjustment. Fortunately, it was a COP who did it versus another punk with an attitude and his "nine".
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Professional? He's unprofessional because he had an unlit cigarette in his mouth? Next time he should stick in his ear, this way it's not in his mouth and it's professional. Your posts are just incredible sometimes. By the way, I had NO idea that the "victim" was paying the Peace Officer. He should treat his customers better, sheesh.
Who pays the cop's salary if not the public?
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Who pays the cop's salary if not the public?
He pays taxes too, unless you forgot? The government pays him, not the public.
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Well... He pays taxes on the salary he receives from taxes... So in your opinion he's not a public servant, but a state enforcer?
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He pays taxes too, unless you forgot? The government pays him, not the public.
if you have ever showed up to a job interview with a beer, you might be a redneck.
midway
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He pays taxes too, unless you forgot? The government pays him, not the public.
Hate to break the bad news to you be he's a civil servant his salary is paid by the states budget collected from the tax payers so in short its paid by the public .
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One would probably get a better response if he treated an LEO like a friend and helper or at least with a modicum of respect.
I still think the cop was a little quick on the draw, but I'm certainly not on the side of the punk.
In my dealings with cops they have responded quite nicely to being shown a little courtesy for a change.
Put yourself in the guys shoes. If you had multiple men stomping you and looting your stuff and having waited for 45 minutes to get help, would you feel just happy and dandy? I bet not. The victim had every reason for being upset so he should have been treated as a victim, not as a criminal that didn't obey orders and/or respect the officers. I'm sure this guy has a huge confidence in the government now, after being first beat up by robbers only to get punched in the face and strangled by the cops who didn't make a step towards arresting them. It's like them saying 'see? this is rule of the fittest now crawl punk!'. The next thing he's going to do is get a weapon to 'become fitter' and murder rates jump one notch.
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Cops, in general, are VERY humorless people.>Folks need to remember that when the blue lights come on
Probably because the people they meet every day are not requiring a humorous comment when they require the police :old:
The Police are not public servants they are the physical representation of law and order :old:
Your not equal and have no right to be :old:
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Probably because the people they meet every day are not requiring a humorous comment when they require the police :old:
The Police are not public servants they are the physical representation of law and order :old:
Your not equal and have no right to be :old:
:rofl
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:rofl
x2 :rofl
midway
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Ink wants a Photo of Danny in his uniform :old:
If Danny forwards it to me I will take a copy and pass it on to Ink :old:
Where's my $5000 Ink?
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That was unproffessional for a Police Officer.
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Dolby is a copper :old:
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Dolby is a copper :old:
No Dolby's a robber :old:
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wow that is really professional, showing up with a cigarette in your mouth. I wish I could show up to see my customer's with a cigarette in my mouth.
midway
I didnt show up anywheres. I just happened to be there. And where I work I was probably the only one without a blunt in my mouth. Besides this was about 25 years ago, probably when you were in diapers. The rules were different.
Honestly I dont know why I bother with these threads.
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I didnt show up anywheres. I just happened to be there. And where I work I was probably the only one without a blunt in my mouth. Besides this was about 25 years ago, probably when you were in diapers. The rules were different.
Honestly I dont know why I bother with these threads.
sorry but 25 years ago I was 24 years old not sure where you live but where I live I at that age we dont wear diapers and we sure as heck didnt show up anywhere with a cigarette hanging out of my mouth then come here beatch that a drunk broad pushed me around.
you are beginning to sound more like a redneck went into a bar joke.
midway
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1st off it was a cigar, 2nd she didnt push me around. Read the post imbecile.
Glad a few people here have sense but in general these kinda threads attract screwballs like you like a pile of crap attracts flys. Read my signature if you befuddled by any more lack of response.
sorry but 25 years ago I was 24 years old not sure where you live but where I live I at that age we dont wear diapers and we sure as heck didnt show up anywhere with a cigarette hanging out of my mouth then come here beatch that a drunk broad pushed me around.
you are beginning to sound more like a redneck went into a bar joke.
midway
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Cop needs to be fired.
You are entitled to your opinion. What I was impressed with most was the erudite and reasoned way in which you presented it. :bhead
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You are entitled to your opinion. What I was impressed with most was the erudite and reasoned way in which you presented it. :bhead
<3 you danny. The cop was totally in the wrong from what is on the tape... The soldier was very arrogant in his approach. 45 mins to get to a call like that is pretty long. Also, i thought it was funny when the cop said are you stepping up to me?? When in fact the cop stepped to him lol..
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1st off it was a cigar, 2nd she didnt push me around. Read the post imbecile.
Glad a few people here have sense but in general these kinda threads attract screwballs like you like a pile of crap attracts flys. Read my signature if you befuddled by any more lack of response.
If you lose your temper so easy in a bb, what about real life?
Midway
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Neither person in that video used good judgement in my opinion. The soldier shamed his uniform by getting aggressive towards a police officer and expecting special treatment just because he is a soldier. The police officer shamed his uniform by resorting to physical violence too quickly in that situation. Still I can't condemn the Police Officer's actions, I just think he used poor judgement.
Then again I don't walk in his shoes. I think it was an unfortunate incident altogether and does nothing to promote a positive image on the US Army USMC or Law Enforcement.
I'm going to have to mostly agree with this.
The kid had lost his military bearing well before he began his dialogue with the officer.
He began with an attitude, profanity and complaints. He then tried to claim that he was a soldier while posturing to look manly. Bad form.
The cop did step towards him, but he also lowered his voice as he got closer, reinforcing his claim that he got closer because he didn't want to yell.
The kid proceeded to square up on the officer and he got squeak-slapped which is exactly what he deserved. If he would have kept his military bearing and stayed where he was, the situation would have not gone any further.
As soon as the kid's attitude was diffused, the officer went right back to being polite.
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I'm going to have to mostly agree with this.
The kid had lost his military bearing well before he began his dialogue with the officer.
He began with an attitude, profanity and complaints. He then tried to claim that he was a soldier while posturing to look manly. Bad form.
The cop did step towards him, but he also lowered his voice as he got closer, reinforcing his claim that he got closer because he didn't want to yell.
The kid proceeded to square up on the officer and he got squeak-slapped which is exactly what he deserved. If he would have kept his military bearing and stayed where he was, the situation would have not gone any further.
As soon as the kid's attitude was diffused, the officer went right back to being polite.
at 5 steps you have to yell for people to hear you? I work at a steel mill where it is noisy we have to yell at that distance for people to hear us, but in the office we dont. the officer's claim is pure bs to justify walking up to the soldier. not that the soldier is right either. both were morons but it just happens that the bigger moron has a badge.
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That cop should get a medal and a promotion
And probably will! :aok
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Marines are not better than soldiers, they are just dumber and more poorly equipped.
(I think we just found us a soldier ladies and gents.)
Yet we fight better...with worse equipment. Means we're better fighters and use better tactics....which requires thought and planning.
Oh and the USMC REQUIRES a diploma, the Army doesn't. Being a better fighter doesn't make you less intelligent just like being spoiled with new gear doesn't make you better.
Why does the Army have a gang problem again? *shrug*
Lot's of hidden envy in your post.
if you have ever showed up to a job interview with a beer, you might be a redneck.
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Good thing he didn't say he was at an interview. :rolleyes: Pointless and obvious fail troll is epic fail.
Put yourself in the guys shoes. If you had multiple men stomping you and looting your stuff and having waited for 45 minutes to get help, would you feel just happy and dandy? I bet not. The victim had every reason for being upset so he should have been treated as a victim, not as a criminal that didn't obey orders and/or respect the officers. I'm sure this guy has a huge confidence in the government now, after being first beat up by robbers only to get punched in the face and strangled by the cops who didn't make a step towards arresting them. It's like them saying 'see? this is rule of the fittest now crawl punk!'. The next thing he's going to do is get a weapon to 'become fitter' and murder rates jump one notch.
*As a member of the United States armed forces you are EXPECTED to have (what someone mentioned earlier) military bearing. Look it up.
You are EXPECTED to handle situations better than your average civilian. It doesn't matter how unhappy you are.... Oh and if I had beaten up more than one guy, stopped them from taking my stuff and had them locked in my house, I'd be beaming. Why? Because I just smoked two punks, kept my stuff, and I'd have one heck of a story to tell the platoon.
sorry but 25 years ago I was 24 years old not sure where you live but where I live I at that age we dont wear diapers and we sure as heck didnt show up anywhere with a cigarette hanging out of my mouth then come here beatch that a drunk broad pushed me around.
you are beginning to sound more like a redneck went into a bar joke.
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Even after unblocking you, I see that you continue to be a terrible, terrible, and obvious troll. You seem to have a problem with anyone who doesn't act like they're trying to be a stereotypical rich Englishman in a velvet robe, smoking a pipe, listening to orchestral music while sipping on their chardonnay (I'd say scotch but you seem to be the kinda guy who can't stand decent, down to earth stuff. You enjoy those clouds on that high and mighty horse too much. I bet you think anyone who drinks whiskey is also a gun totin', people shootin', animal guttin', cowboy).
*re-adds to the ignore list*
EDIT: Oh! Oh! Oh! I GOT IT! I literally just pictured you as the nerdy neighbor with the square framed glasses, the sweater, and the side comb hairdo! The one who thinks all of his neighbors are despicable people who are disgusting, unintelligent, and not fit to breathe on their own who then moves to a "rich, white, neighborhood" to avoid "those people" because everything they do outside of your suburb is absolutely unworthy of your vision of what it is to be a human. :rofl
Oh man, I crack myself up.
Anyway, back on the list.
I'm going to have to mostly agree with this.
The kid had lost his military bearing well before he began his dialogue with the officer.
He began with an attitude, profanity and complaints. He then tried to claim that he was a soldier while posturing to look manly. Bad form.
The cop did step towards him, but he also lowered his voice as he got closer, reinforcing his claim that he got closer because he didn't want to yell.
The kid proceeded to square up on the officer and he got squeak-slapped which is exactly what he deserved. If he would have kept his military bearing and stayed where he was, the situation would have not gone any further.
As soon as the kid's attitude was diffused, the officer went right back to being polite.
Exactly. The officer stepped forward so he didn't have to speak so loudly. Not to mention all he really did was move to the front of the vehicle. Where I'm from we call that being close enough to converse in a normal manner. I'm not a fan of speaking to someone 6 arm lengths away.
Anyone who watched the video all the way through even hears it in the officer's voice. He speaks in a calm, low tone and even accepts the "soldier's" apology.
He pays taxes too, unless you forgot? The government pays him, not the public.
I saw where someone replied to this and said that the public taxes pay for him....but it's the same joke we have in the USMC. "We pay taxes on our check that comes from public taxes. We pay ourselves. The civilians just pay for our rides, weapons and ammo. They don't pay our checks. ;)" haha. *I wonder how many folks are gonna rage over that one?*
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What I'm getting from some of these people is that they are perfectly O.K. with some guy yelling at them, waving a lit cigarette in their face, and using his job as an excuse as to why they should listen to him and that's why he "deserves" special attention.
So, with that being understood I'm left with no other choice but to see how many people we have on this BBS who were bullied in high school and never said anything about it.
I am by no means a bully. I have always stood up for the little guy, but sometimes you have to stand up for yourself...and I just don't see some of you being able to do that.
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BTW: That is NOT base housing. That's a complex (me thinks). Civilian officer, soldier is a reservist, MP's don't take 45 minutes, civilian fire engine on scene. :aok
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(I think we just found us a soldier ladies and gents.)
Yet we fight better...with worse equipment. Means we're better fighters and use better tactics....which requires thought and planning.
Oh and the USMC REQUIRES a diploma, the Army doesn't. Being a better fighter doesn't make you less intelligent just like being spoiled with new gear doesn't make you better.
Why does the Army have a gang problem again? *shrug*
So ya sayin' ya wanna wrastle or what?
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So ya sayin' ya wanna wrastle or what?
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Lol. The direction this has taken is fantastic. Probably one of the best threads ever.
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So ya sayin' ya wanna wrastle or what?
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Good ol' branch to branch ribbin'. :aok
I can't say much though. My grandfather was in the Navy in WWII, cousin was an officer in the USAF, and my best friend is in the Army. Only thing I seem to be missing is a Coast Guard buddy.
(I have a friend in the NG but we don't talk much anymore).
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*As a member of the United States armed forces you are EXPECTED to have (what someone mentioned earlier) military bearing. Look it up.
You are EXPECTED to handle situations better than your average civilian. It doesn't matter how unhappy you are.... Oh and if I had beaten up more than one guy, stopped them from taking my stuff and had them locked in my house, I'd be beaming. Why? Because I just smoked two punks, kept my stuff, and I'd have one heck of a story to tell the platoon.
The trooper didn't know he was a soldier when he started giving him attitude. He would treat any regular citizen the same way. They victimized the guy instead of treating him as a victim. Pretty heartless way to approach the situation.
If I understood right the guy didn't beat these other guys, he got his bellybutton handed to him and that's why he called the cops. Only to be beaten up again by the cops minutes later. Kinda ironic.
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Only to be beaten up again by the cops minutes later. Kinda ironic.
He didn't get beaten up. He got his attitude adjusted. He wasn't ready to speak to the COP in a civilized manner until he was in a different plain of rotation.
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He didn't get beaten up. He got his attitude adjusted. He wasn't ready to speak to the COP in a civilized manner until he was in a different plain of rotation.
He got punched in the face and strangled with no reason whatsoever. If cops would act in this manner in Scandinavia they would get fired in the same instant.
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Id like to know what Aces highs Marine did in the corps....
Probably pog tanker or something....
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Id like to know what Aces highs Marine did in the corps....
Probably pog tanker or something....
Hey, whats wrong with tankers? :old:
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The trooper didn't know he was a soldier when he started giving him attitude. He would treat any regular citizen the same way. They victimized the guy instead of treating him as a victim. Pretty heartless way to approach the situation.
If I understood right the guy didn't beat these other guys, he got his bellybutton handed to him and that's why he called the cops. Only to be beaten up again by the cops minutes later. Kinda ironic.
So...
Did you watch a different video than I did?
I saw the cop walk up and ask the guy if he was injured.
He then asked what happened.
He then asked how many people were in the house.
The kid proceeded to wave a cigarette around and complain about how effing long it took them to get there. I'm sure the cop went to the scene as soon as dispatch told him to go and did not stop for coffee on the way. This is when the attitude started from the cop, as well it should have.
Again, bad form on the kid's part. To act like that and claim to be a soldier? Despicable and unbecoming from anyone that is a professional.
Bearing, Military
(1) The element of outward appearance of a serviceman (clean and correctly arranged uniform or clothing, properly worn and adjusted equipment, manner of behavior in and out of uniform) imparting a brisk military outward appearance to the individual and the entire detachment or others around him
He lost his...
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Is there no such requirement for professional conduct for the guy wearing the blue uniform?
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Is there no such requirement for professional conduct for the guy wearing the blue uniform?
Indeed, and there was plenty of professional conduct. Right up to the point where the kid stepped to the guy and squared off to him saying, "know who you are speaking to" and gave the false impression that he was a fully trained (and disciplined) soldier. The kid attempted to use this to intimidate/bully the PO. He failed miserably.
When a person steps up to another person, close enough to reach out and touch them (including being close enough to reach the cop's firearm) and says words similar to "know who you are talking to", it is an attempt at intimidation and a prelude to a potentially violent situation. The kid had a chance to step back and he didn't.
Some folks seem to think that cops are obliged to just suck up whatever abuse or threat some people decide to throw at them. It seems that this cop was able to handle the situation without losing control of it, able to handle some egotistical hothead without having to taze him or kill him. Isn't this what those against police brutality, argue? Living in Philly, I have seen this type of situation handled in a much less controlled fashion.
Afterwards, the cop continuously gave him the option to "start over" with a civil exchange, and honored that offer, the very second the kid accepted it.
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He got punched in the face and strangled with no reason whatsoever.
Yeah, he did, before the COPs got there. The COPs had nothing to do with that. This kid postured up, got aggressive toward the officer, then the officers controlled and diffused the situation.
Watch the video again and get the facts straight vs making up inaccurate fantasies to suit your view.
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He was aggressive, waving a lit cigarette around. He was swearing and abusive, He mentioned his service as a threat rather than a statement " I'm a US soldier man, now you know who your talking yo!"
In UK I would have issued a public order warning for the first incidence of swearing, and then nicked him for the second. A slap or a push are routinely used to prevent a situation escalating. It comes under the 'ways and means act' and whilst the public watching a video in the cold light of day, may draw their own inferences, the way the officer reactedis a vital and oft usedtechnique.
Could the LEO have dealt with thisin a different way? Sure, maybe he could have talked him down, been more empathetic? Quite possibly, but it was his call at the time and resulted in a potentially aggressive little twerp being subdued and defused the the situation expeditiously.
This ^
I laughed when he started panting and begging a few seconds later.
Did nobody even watch the second video on that page? The 'victim' is shown crying and shouting in rage about the situation in an interview. He is dressed like a teenager and appears to be wearing eye make-up also....
Obviously the incident did nothing to turn him away from being a self important beetch.
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This ^
I laughed when he started panting and begging a few seconds later.
Did nobody even watch the second video on that page? The 'victim' is shown crying and shouting in rage about the situation in an interview. He is dressed like a teenager and appears to be wearing eye make-up also....
Obviously the incident did nothing to turn him away from being a self important beetch.
I love the face hair and the eyeliner. Squared-away soldier for sure :rolleyes:
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I love the face hair and the eyeliner. Squared-away soldier for sure :rolleyes:
Perhaps the slap and semi-strangulation caused some minor brain damage. :old:
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Perhaps the slap and semi-strangulation caused some minor brain damage. :old:
I've been looking for that strangulation part...
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Perhaps the slap and semi-strangulation caused some minor brain damage. :old:
I've been looking for that strangulation part...
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I've been looking for that strangulation part...
Even double checked, didn't ya? :D
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Even double checked, didn't ya? :D
Of course.
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I couldn't find a better fitting word for 2 fat cops knees pressing on a guys chest :confused:
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I couldn't find a better fitting word for 2 fat cops knees pressing on a guys chest :confused:
pwnd
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pwnd
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I pretty much agree with what ya said on the situation.....
at least the cops didn't shoot the neighbors house on accident :uhoh
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Yeah, he did, before the COPs got there. The COPs had nothing to do with that. This kid postured up, got aggressive toward the officer, then the officers controlled and diffused the situation.
Watch the video again and get the facts straight vs making up inaccurate fantasies to suit your view.
I watched the video again and saw a LEO with a serious attitude problem bullying a victim. He didn't raise a finger to catch the crooks, he was more insterested in attacking the victim whose attitude he apparently didn't appreciate.
I wonder if they even made an attempt to catch the actual crooks and get this guys stuff back lol.
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I watched the video again and saw a LEO with a serious attitude problem bullying a victim. He didn't raise a finger to catch the crooks, he was more insterested in attacking the victim whose attitude he apparently didn't appreciate.
I wonder if they even made an attempt to catch the actual crooks and get this guys stuff back lol.
How do you know they were the actual crooks?
From the sterling example of the kid's attitude, his roommates probably chucked his crap in the lawn and tossed him out on his ear for being a pompous ass.
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I wouldn't want to live in a state with that kind of cops.
I would, and be damn appreciative to have such an officer keeping my community safe :aok
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I watched the video again and saw a LEO with a serious attitude problem bullying a victim. He didn't raise a finger to catch the crooks, he was more insterested in attacking the victim whose attitude he apparently didn't appreciate.
I wonder if they even made an attempt to catch the actual crooks and get this guys stuff back lol.
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"didnt raise a finger to catch the crooks". Seriously??? What should he have done instead? He got out, addressed the local contact, and we've all seen what ensued. This isn't Mayberry where Barney Fife fumbles with his six-shooter and marches off to track down the baddie. Trust me, the COP did not want to go hands on, there is a boat load of paperwork he has to fill out after doing so and no COP likes paperwork. He probably got the facts, and nothing but the facts regarding the case and then did a local search for the perpetrators. Be careful what you insinuate. Bullying the victim??? Seriously? Everything the COP did was a reaction to the soldier contact. The COP isnt going to just show up and start swinging.
Was a pacifist you are. :lol
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The trooper didn't know he was a soldier when he started giving him attitude. He would treat any regular citizen the same way. They victimized the guy instead of treating him as a victim. Pretty heartless way to approach the situation.
If I understood right the guy didn't beat these other guys, he got his bellybutton handed to him and that's why he called the cops. Only to be beaten up again by the cops minutes later. Kinda ironic.
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So...
Did you watch a different video than I did?
I saw the cop walk up and ask the guy if he was injured.
He then asked what happened.
He then asked how many people were in the house.
The kid proceeded to wave a cigarette around and complain about how effing long it took them to get there. I'm sure the cop went to the scene as soon as dispatch told him to go and did not stop for coffee on the way. This is when the attitude started from the cop, as well it should have.
Again, bad form on the kid's part. To act like that and claim to be a soldier? Despicable and unbecoming from anyone that is a professional.
Bearing, Military
(1) The element of outward appearance of a serviceman (clean and correctly arranged uniform or clothing, properly worn and adjusted equipment, manner of behavior in and out of uniform) imparting a brisk military outward appearance to the individual and the entire detachment or others around him
He lost his...
Id like to know what Aces highs Marine did in the corps....
Probably pog tanker or something....
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. We got a funny guy over here. /sarcasm
"POG Tanker" - I actually find that remark kinda stupid. (I'm not a "tanker" btw). If you're talking about a box kicker or something, sure. It's kinda like insulting the motor T guys that drive us where we need to be when we're not kicking rocks on our own.
Last I was over playing and building sand castles I noticed tanks getting hit and doing their fair share of the boom boom (as we called it).
Oh and sweetheart, just for you; my MOS: 0331
Just because I can type and my sentences don't look "lyk dis wen I tahlk errr I uh mean tipe" (jeez that was difficult....) doesn't mean I'm not an 03.
NOW to be fair, I was not ORIGINALLY an 03. I was originally a 3112 (was TMO, then became DMO, and is now handled mostly by civilians). I deployed, somehow ended up on convoy security which lead to me working with some grunt units (my MOS was not needed, so if you had my MOS you just floated around and went where you wanted in the beginning), got hurt, came home, got put in a reserve unit and became a full time 0331 though I spend most of my time teaching the new joins how to break down, maintain etc. the 240, 249, .50 and MK19 we have in the armory.
Sorry to disappoint.
Yut/Urrrr. All that jazz.
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He didn't raise a finger to catch the crooks, he was more interested in attacking the victim whose attitude he apparently didn't appreciate.
How could you possibly know that? All the video demonstrates is a COP maintaining control of an aggressive poser. There is absolutely nothing on the video that is telling about the officer's follow up with the other parties involved. Again, you make up a story to back up your victim mentality. You continue to demonstrate a gross lack of credibility.
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Was a pacifist you are. :lol
Crikey.
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Crikey.
Crikey :rofl
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Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. We got a funny guy over here. /sarcasm
"POG Tanker" - I actually find that remark kinda stupid. (I'm not a "tanker" btw). If you're talking about a box kicker or something, sure. It's kinda like insulting the motor T guys that drive us where we need to be when we're not kicking rocks on our own.
Last I was over playing and building sand castles I noticed tanks getting hit and doing their fair share of the boom boom (as we called it).
Oh and sweetheart, just for you; my MOS: 0331
Just because I can type and my sentences don't look "lyk dis wen I tahlk errr I uh mean tipe" (jeez that was difficult....) doesn't mean I'm not an 03.
NOW to be fair, I was not ORIGINALLY an 03. I was originally a 3112 (was TMO, then became DMO, and is now handled mostly by civilians). I deployed, somehow ended up on convoy security which lead to me working with some grunt units (my MOS was not needed, so if you had my MOS you just floated around and went where you wanted in the beginning), got hurt, came home, got put in a reserve unit and became a full time 0331 though I spend most of my time teaching the new joins how to break down, maintain etc. the 240, 249, .50 and MK19 we have in the armory.
Sorry to disappoint.
Yut/Urrrr. All that jazz.
"lyk dis wen I tahlk errr I uh mean tipe" (jeez that was difficult....): I love it, I'm using it from this day on. :D
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"lyk dis wen I tahlk errr I uh mean tipe" (jeez that was difficult....): I love it, I'm using it from this day on. :D
Haha good to go. :lol
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Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. We got a funny guy over here. /sarcasm
"POG Tanker" - I actually find that remark kinda stupid. (I'm not a "tanker" btw). If you're talking about a box kicker or something, sure. It's kinda like insulting the motor T guys that drive us where we need to be when we're not kicking rocks on our own.
Last I was over playing and building sand castles I noticed tanks getting hit and doing their fair share of the boom boom (as we called it).
Oh and sweetheart, just for you; my MOS: 0331
Just because I can type and my sentences don't look "lyk dis wen I tahlk errr I uh mean tipe" (jeez that was difficult....) doesn't mean I'm not an 03.
NOW to be fair, I was not ORIGINALLY an 03. I was originally a 3112 (was TMO, then became DMO, and is now handled mostly by civilians). I deployed, somehow ended up on convoy security which lead to me working with some grunt units (my MOS was not needed, so if you had my MOS you just floated around and went where you wanted in the beginning), got hurt, came home, got put in a reserve unit and became a full time 0331 though I spend most of my time teaching the new joins how to break down, maintain etc. the 240, 249, .50 and MK19 we have in the armory.
Sorry to disappoint.
Yut/Urrrr. All that jazz.
Take it easy on Junky. 10MD is a pretty tough unit. He is surrounded by real men, most of whom have earned their tabs. :D
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How could you possibly know that? All the video demonstrates is a COP maintaining control of an aggressive poser. There is absolutely nothing on the video that is telling about the officer's follow up with the other parties involved. Again, you make up a story to back up your victim mentality. You continue to demonstrate a gross lack of credibility.
The video shows the cop attacking the victim before even considering to do the job he was assigned to do. Let me repeat: If any european cop would behave in this manner they would get prosecuted and fired instantly. I couldn't believe my eyes and ears when I saw the cop punching the victim who he came to assist lol!
No wonder trust to cops is record high down here and not so high down there.
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The video shows the cop attacking the victim before even considering to do the job he was assigned to do. Let me repeat: If any european cop would behave in this manner they would get prosecuted and fired instantly. I couldn't believe my eyes and ears when I saw the cop punching the victim who he came to assist lol!
No wonder trust to cops is record high down here and not so high down there.
Again, you make up a version based what you think you see. The COP took the punk down to control him. You, I, nor anyone else can see exactly how it was accomplished because of the "soda straw" perspective of the video camera.
..and who cares how European COPs do it. That has nothing to do with this video nor does much of anything in Europe set an example for the rest of the world.
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Again, you make up a version based what you think you see. The COP took the punk down to control him. You, I, nor anyone else can see exactly how it was accomplished because of the "soda straw" perspective of the video camera.
..and who cares how European COPs do it. That has nothing to do with this video nor does much of anything in Europe set an example for the rest of the world.
The cop got in the soldiers face... not the other way around. You can see that. The soldier even says it lol. The cop should be prosecuted for doing this and probably will. You keep defending your honor Mr. Cops are soooooo perfect. He was in the wrong and you fail to see it.
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I agree that the cop stepped up to the guy first. But if that had been me he was stepping up to I certainly would not have stepped forward myself. That kid acted like a punk. Judge Dredd would have blown the perp's head off for less...
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I agree that the cop stepped up to the guy first. But if that had been me he was stepping up to I certainly would not have stepped forward myself. That kid acted like a punk. Judge Dredd would have blown the perp's head off for less...
Yeah maybe the biggest problem is that you folks have lost touch to reality and start to think a cartoon is a viable reference for behaviour... :huh
If it were a finnish cop in this situation the following would have happened:
The cop would have talked to the guy with a pleasant and relaxed manner (as trained) to assure the victim he was in good hands and help him help the officer. He would have disregarded any complaints about being late and focused on his mission i.e. catching the perps. If the victim would have complained more they would have _asked_ him to stick to the subject and forward them to the point of interest. If the victim would continue to give them lip they probably would then _tell_ him to shut up and point them to the attackers. If that wouldn't work they would suggest that he could end up in jail for the remainder of the day also to clear his head.
It would require the victim to physically assault the police before they would begin to _restrict_ the assailant. Only as a last resort (meaning the attacker cant be restrained) physical use of force such as punching, pepper spraying or tazing are used. If the assailant lacks a deadly weapon no leathal force is allowed, even in a form of threat.
The cops down there seem to have some serious attitude/self confidence problems judging from the stories of tazing elderly people for not complying etc :)
When cops approach an assault victim the victim could be in a confused state as a result of concussion or even brain hemorrhaging. That may make him act agressive and the last thing you want to do is punch him more at this point!
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Stereotypical Pog talking big for the corps, both services have them, example of army pog being the kid child in the video.
Cop is still wrong, he shouldn't escalate a situation.
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If it were a finnish cop in this situation the following would have happened:
You're far too civilised for this forum MrRiplEy. :salute
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Yeah maybe the biggest problem is that you folks have lost touch to reality and start to think a cartoon is a viable reference for behaviour... :huh
If it were a finnish cop in this situation the following would have happened:
The cop would have talked to the guy with a pleasant and relaxed manner (as trained) to assure the victim he was in good hands and help him help the officer. He would have disregarded any complaints about being late and focused on his mission i.e. catching the perps. If the victim would have complained more they would have _asked_ him to stick to the subject and forward them to the point of interest. If the victim would continue to give them lip they probably would then _tell_ him to shut up and point them to the attackers. If that wouldn't work they would suggest that he could end up in jail for the remainder of the day also to clear his head.
It would require the victim to physically assault the police before they would begin to _restrict_ the assailant. Only as a last resort (meaning the attacker cant be restrained) physical use of force such as punching, pepper spraying or tazing are used. If the assailant lacks a deadly weapon no leathal force is allowed, even in a form of threat.
The cops down there seem to have some serious attitude/self confidence problems judging from the stories of tazing elderly people for not complying etc :)
When cops approach an assault victim the victim could be in a confused state as a result of concussion or even brain hemorrhaging. That may make him act agressive and the last thing you want to do is punch him more at this point!
If you cant find a little humour in me relating the situation to Judge Dredd then I should probably not comment in serious discussions
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Take it easy on Junky. 10MD is a pretty tough unit. He is surrounded by real men, most of whom have earned their tabs. :D
I'm in the 25th now....my platoon sergeant has 2 tabs, pathfinder, air assault, airborne....
He is pretty intense....E-7 in 7
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Id like to know what Aces highs Marine did in the corps....
Probably pog tanker or something....
:rolleyes:
Here's a picture of my son. He was a 14 Kilo or POG Tanker. Two tours in Iraq. He earned a purple heart both tours. First tour a shoulder wound. What happened to him in the second tour is obvious in the photo. You don't need a Globe an Anchor or a Tab to fight and bleed.
(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/5633/thomas1q.jpg)
You two heros carry on now. :salute
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:rolleyes:
Here's a picture of my son. He was a 14 Kilo or POG Tanker. Two tours in Iraq. He earned a purple heart both tours. First tour a shoulder wound. What happened to him in the second tour is obvious in the photo. You don't need a Globe an Anchor or a Tab to fight and bleed.
(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/5633/thomas1q.jpg)
You two heros carry on now. :salute
That's a motivator you've got there. :salute
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The cop got in the soldiers face... not the other way around. You can see that. The soldier even says it lol. The cop should be prosecuted for doing this and probably will. You keep defending your honor Mr. Cops are soooooo perfect. He was in the wrong and you fail to see it.
So many experts, so few clues.
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:rolleyes:
Here's a picture of my son. He was a 14 Kilo or POG Tanker. Two tours in Iraq. He earned a purple heart both tours. First tour a shoulder wound. What happened to him in the second tour is obvious in the photo. You don't need a Globe an Anchor or a Tab to fight and bleed.
(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/5633/thomas1q.jpg)
You two heros carry on now. :salute
Shack lead! :aok :salute
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:rolleyes:
Here's a picture of my son. He was a 14 Kilo or POG Tanker. Two tours in Iraq. He earned a purple heart both tours. First tour a shoulder wound. What happened to him in the second tour is obvious in the photo. You don't need a Globe an Anchor or a Tab to fight and bleed.
(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/5633/thomas1q.jpg)
You two heros carry on now. :salute
:salute
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So many experts, so few clues.
I assume you still fail to see who is in the wrong here? Jeez glad you are not in his jury if there will be one..
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Shack lead! :aok :salute
Man it has been forever since I've seen or heard that term. :lol :aok
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:rolleyes:
Here's a picture of my son. He was a 14 Kilo or POG Tanker. Two tours in Iraq. He earned a purple heart both tours. First tour a shoulder wound. What happened to him in the second tour is obvious in the photo. You don't need a Globe an Anchor or a Tab to fight and bleed.
(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/5633/thomas1q.jpg)
You two heros carry on now. :salute
I know you understand that isn't where I was going with that.
I was just giving Junky a hard time.
I still think he looks more handsome in the wedding pics :aok
As always :salute
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I know you understand that isn't where I was going with that.
I was just giving Junky a hard time.
I still think he looks more handsome in the wedding pics :aok
As always :salute
I wan't aiming at you VM. Yes you're correct he's way better looking than his old man. Plus I've never made it any secret, if anybody is a POG its me. ;)
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I assume you still fail to see who is in the wrong here? Jeez glad you are not in his jury if there will be one..
Oh, of course, you are correct. You obviously see through the soda straw better than the rest of us.
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:rolleyes:
Here's a picture of my son. He was a 14 Kilo or POG Tanker. Two tours in Iraq. He earned a purple heart both tours. First tour a shoulder wound. What happened to him in the second tour is obvious in the photo. You don't need a Globe an Anchor or a Tab to fight and bleed.
(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/5633/thomas1q.jpg)
You two heros carry on now. :salute
Bad luck for sure. My Pog poke was just that, a poke...troll whatever you want to call it. I respect anyone who serves, vet or not. But more Pogs are found to be the guys with the fake valor stories.
Glad your sons doing good, my unit lost a Soldier who was an amputee early on in deployment just recently after being back for 6 months.
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Glad your sons doing good, my unit lost a Soldier who was an amputee early on in deployment just recently after being back for 6 months.
I'm sorry to hear that, may he RIP. Inter service rivalry has a long and glorious history. Its fun and its to be enjoyed. Most Americans are proud of each and every one of you guys. Uniforms and emblems don't keep the wolves away from the door. The warrior does. Luckily for us in America we have many types of warriors. Some more specialized and better trained in certain areas. However every one of you guys are a warrior. It doesn't matter if standing guard at a FOB, patrolling on foot or in a Humvee, kicking in the door of a known enemy lair, making a gun or bomb run in an A-10 or F-16, or flying your Blackhawk med evac in to an area to extract a wounded comrade. Even the guys that go through hostile areas to deliver the supplies needed by those who normally do the fighting. All you guys are all warriors. All of you deserve respect. :aok
By the way I get it too. I'm a 16 year Air Force Vet. My two oldest sons joined the Army and both went to Iraq. When they came home for the longest time I assumed POG was an Iraqi word for father. ;)