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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Randy1 on September 05, 2013, 11:13:39 AM
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Ink suggested I change planes so this tour I am leaving the P38L in the hanger and taking out the P39Q. As I started to investigate the Q, the first thing that hit me is the PT bot has the same canon as the 39.
I figure on going the Russian load out with just the 37MM and the two 50s.
My late eye doctor flew the P39 during WW2. When he spoke of flying the 39, he had a note of regret in the tone of his voice. He must have taken a of kidding from the other pilots in the stangs and jugs.
Should be interesting.
Any tactical tips outside for the Q.
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Tactical tip: invest in silk, otherwise good luck this tour and have fun.
Muttman
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Once you get the hang of it, sniper de-acking with single shots from the 37 is fun.
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Ink suggested I change planes so this tour I am leaving the P38L in the hanger and taking out the P39Q. As I started to investigate the Q, the first thing that hit me is the PT bot has the same canon as the 39.
I figure on going the Russian load out with just the 37MM and the two 50s.
My late eye doctor flew the P39 during WW2. When he spoke of flying the 39, he had a note of regret in the tone of his voice. He must have taken a of kidding from the other pilots in the stangs and jugs.
Should be interesting.
Any tactical tips outside for the Q.
Well....it dives well but climbing is a joke. Don't go vert...it bleeds E like crazy. It can turn down low pretty well...be careful using flaps for too long. Cannon is much fun....I personally like it and feel it has a pretty flat trajectory for such a large cannon. Might want to consider doing some time in the DA with it...will give you some practice with the 37mm and clue you in on the plane's shortcomings when faced with massed Spitteens and Brewsters. :uhoh
It's a fun plane but as the previous post stated....invest in silk. ;)
Have fun! :aok :salute
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Any tactical tips outside for the Q.
Left turns only.
Unlike the 39D, the Q is a nice-flying and effective plane.
- oldman
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I think y'all nailed it.
Took out for a spell in offline practice and then the dueling arena. Not as quite bad as I expected. Had a few rounds with Simion in a F4u4. I almost got a shot on him but engine died from a previous hit. Lost several more to him but that is what I wanted, a good test.
Odd feeling in a turn with heavy elevator.
There are some terrible blind spots with the thick cockpit frames. I assume the thick frames were stiffeners to support the engine and prevent tongue bending. I figure the odd door came about as a result of needing those stiffeners running front to back. The drive system in the nose didn't help that I am sure.
I bet my hit percentage goes up. I don't think transitioning from a 47 with its massive ammo load would be a good idea because of the very limited ammo with the two 50s. The time in a P38 helped there especially since the canon fire was on a different trigger.
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Left turns only.
Unlike the 39D, the Q is a nice-flying and effective plane.
- oldman
:rofl Ill out fly your Q with The D20mm option all day. The D is far better just have to pick fights better and be around 10 to 15k
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Back in the days of Warbirds 2.77 I used to fly the AiraCobra with great effect in the ground attack role. However, I often found myself in low level furballs in which case she is painfully outmatched. However, if you take the time to climb, which is tough with no super-charger, the plane can hold its own in the hands of a seasoned pilot in a loose type of BnZ. I did this in Warbirds to good effect but only in the early war phases against lower performing planes. I actually survived and won a few HOs with gents in 190s and 109s. If you can become accurate with your 37mm you can be surprisingly deadly in a 39.
I have no idea why the powers that were chose to not supercharge the Allison V-1710-85 liquid-cooled V-12. I firmly believe if it had been then this plane would have been a war winner.
FYI, if AH ever adds the P-63 to the game, I will be getting comfy in it for sure. I love the concept of a big cannon at my disposal. :airplane:
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P-39Q is a great plane in this game. Better to fight without the gunpods. Without them it almost feels nimble in the verticle (using WEP), but it also has a very short ammo clip and a steep learning curve on that ammo. You'll find you don't get a lot of kills with 37mm until you really nail down the ballistics. I got to the point I could get kills (7 in one sortie, a few times), but I still wasn't a "master" and relied on the 50cals in the nose as much as the 37mm.
It will turn well if it has E, but it's not the tightest nor fastest turner. Use your E and keep an escape route if you need to dive away or run and reposition. Getting into massive furballs is bad becuse SA out the back is terrible (too hard to see!) and you will most likely be picked off or latched onto by another enemy you don't see.
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P-39Q is a great plane in this game. Better to fight without the gunpods. Without them it almost feels nimble in the verticle (using WEP), but it also has a very short ammo clip and a steep learning curve on that ammo. You'll find you don't get a lot of kills with 37mm until you really nail down the ballistics. I got to the point I could get kills (7 in one sortie, a few times), but I still wasn't a "master" and relied on the 50cals in the nose as much as the 37mm.
It will turn well if it has E, but it's not the tightest nor fastest turner. Use your E and keep an escape route if you need to dive away or run and reposition. Getting into massive furballs is bad becuse SA out the back is terrible (too hard to see!) and you will most likely be picked off or latched onto by another enemy you don't see.
Agreed on all points. You bring up a good point about the gunpods. I always fly with them so maybe my assessment of the vert for the Q is a little harsh. I tend to value volume of fire as I have always been a so-so (at best) shot.
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just dont dive to the deck and run for ack...like others who fly it and then use the excuse...im in a 39...... :rolleyes:
my suggestion was more along the lines of fight no matter what you fly......but if flying the 38 makes you avoid getting aggressive until you hold all the cards, then fly a fighter you feel more confident in.....
do you want to learn how to fight...or do you want to stay alive?
that is the question you should ask yourself.
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do you want to learn how to fight...or do you want to stay alive?
Ummmm....both?
I rarely disagree with you, bud. But I do not agree these are mutually exclusive questions.
Respectfully, it's about flying and fighting smart. That doesn't mean you run from a fight...but I don't agree the only way to learn is to throw oneself into a poor situation.
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Ummmm....both?
I rarely disagree with you, bud. But I do not agree these are mutually exclusive questions.
Respectfully, it's about flying and fighting smart. That doesn't mean you run from a fight...but I don't agree the only way to learn is to throw oneself into a poor situation.
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its not the only way to learn...but it is the best.
read or hear about it all you want, until you get out there and do it....nothing will sink in....muscle memory and all that jazz.
if this was the real world I would understand about being cautious......
seeings how its a game about combat I enjoy combat, with no care for my cartoon life.
flying to survive does one thing...... it makes you timid.
of course there are exceptions to every rule...Grizz flew to survive in the MA.......he and I butted heads over it....but he would go to DA and whoop some ass.
the self proclaimed masters of ACM....flying to survive.... like chalenge are a joke.
the less people are like that in the MA the better the MA is...more fighters=more fights=more fun.
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Thanks for all the input.
Krusty and Twinboom have it right. The plane has a lot of good characteristics. Lots of WEP. Can make a sharp reversal. Dives really well. Since it bleeds speed so quick you can get to the flaps at the top. The rudder is really good. The speed is good given time.
That canon though is tough to get the lead right as Krusty noted. I am use to conserving ammo so the low number of rounds is workable but as y'all know, you got to make that shot count.
The biggest difference between the 38 and 39 outside of the obvious? I live longer in the 39. The 38 size just says shoot me first. The 39 must be a hard target to hit.
I miss the 38 but the 39 needs it time.
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I wish people let guys fly how they want to. I guess it is to much to ask for.
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I play extremely little lately but I like to take the big guns, 30 or 37mm. With those every kill feels like you've won lottery when you see that puff on the enemy :D
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its not the only way to learn...but it is the best.
read or hear about it all you want, until you get out there and do it....nothing will sink in....muscle memory and all that jazz.
if this was the real world I would understand about being cautious......
seeings how its a game about combat I enjoy combat, with no care for my cartoon life.
flying to survive does one thing...... it makes you timid.
of course there are exceptions to every rule...Grizz flew to survive in the MA.......he and I butted heads over it....but he would go to DA and whoop some ass.
the self proclaimed masters of ACM....flying to survive.... like chalenge are a joke.
the less people are like that in the MA the better the MA is...more fighters=more fights=more fun.
Give it a rest, why don't you? Reminding us of your leet bravery every chance you get is really tiresome. If you were as courageous as you claim, you wouldn't fly such an EZ-mode plane. Go fly a P-39D into a horde - and on the deck - not dancing above the red guys. Do that every sortie for a few tours and then you would at least be practicing what you preach.
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Give it a rest, why don't you? Reminding us of your leet bravery every chance you get is really tiresome. If you were as courageous as you claim, you wouldn't fly such an EZ-mode plane. Go fly a P-39D into a horde - and on the deck - not dancing above the red guys. Do that every sortie for a few tours and then you would at least be practicing what you preach.
pfft...been there done that :rolleyes:
did I offend you .......................frigge n waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
if people actually fought in the MA....it would be a hell of a lot better....
and no I wont "give it a rest" so put my bellybutton on ignore. :aok
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Same ole same ole.. Ink if someone doesn't fly like you why do you go out of your way to either insult them or act big and tough talking about how you fight all time with your planes? Does it really bother you that guys want to save their E to use their advantage against yours? Before you say it, I for one am not timid while I played the game. It was very boring to me. But when I see guys who fly like that I don't let it bother me. They pay money just like you man. It isn't lame if they use their planes advantage over you.
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Same ole same ole.. Ink if someone doesn't fly like you why do you go out of your way to either insult them or act big and tough talking about how you fight all time with your planes? Does it really bother you that guys want to save their E to use their advantage against yours? Before you say it, I for one am not timid while I played the game. It was very boring to me. But when I see guys who fly like that I don't let it bother me. They pay money just like you man. It isn't lame if they use their planes advantage over you.
well for instance Randy started this thread with my name...so I have full right to say whatever the hell I want.....even if he didn't this is a discussion board about a combat game...I very much enjoy combat ingame...when most don't partake in that combat but have to run away to keep their cartoon life alive.... I most certainly can speak my mind and will...its not my problem people get their panties all wadded up because the truth hurts.
and ya same ol same ol...I am what I am..... that will never change.....
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My boxers aren't in a wad. You should accept that people will fly how they want too. No need to bash them for it. Just out fly them like I'm sure you do.
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My boxers aren't in a wad. You should accept that people will fly how they want too. No need to bash them for it. Just out fly them like I'm sure you do.
not saying Yours are..... :aok
sorry I will never accept that people "play" a combat game to avoid combat.....go friggen play off line if you don't want to get dirty.
and besides....I have had way to many people say thank you to me and ask me to help them learn how to fight....so no I will not rest my case, or give up trying to show people what the MA is really about.
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No no. Keep fighting the way you do. Keep teaching people its a really good thing. Learning all the ACM you possibly can is a great thing. What I am saying is you constantly bashing people isn't going to help at all.
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No no. Keep fighting the way you do. Keep teaching people its a really good thing. Learning all the ACM you possibly can is a great thing. What I am saying is you constantly bashing people isn't going to help at all.
I don't see it as bashing...I just don't...I see it as calling it the way it is.....I didn't "bash" Randy at all...the only ones I can say ....Ya I bash is chalenge flyinfin and krusty and they just straight up deserve it.
I am blunt and to the point I don't talk out the side of my mouth like some, I say what I feel and what I think.
we hijacked Randy's thread enough.... :salute
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I don't see it as bashing...I just don't...I see it as calling it the way it is.....I didn't "bash" Randy at all...the only ones I can say ....Ya I bash is chalenge flyinfin and krusty and they just straight up deserve it.
I am blunt and to the point I don't talk out the side of my mouth like some, I say what I feel and what I think.
we hijacked Randy's thread enough.... :salute
You don't bash anything Boy...... you get Bashed.
:rofl your a tard dropping my name all over ......must be envy. :rofl
Back on my leg again ....I just cant wait to be on Fins leg again... I ride it good with all my friends.... back on Fins leg again....
Really got under your skin huh? :rofl
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sorry koolaid boy...I put you on ignore :aok
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sorry koolaid boy...I put you on ignore :aok
Put my name on ignore to Glory Hole :aok
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Thanks for all the input.
Krusty and Twinboom have it right. The plane has a lot of good characteristics. Lots of WEP. Can make a sharp reversal. Dives really well. Since it bleeds speed so quick you can get to the flaps at the top. The rudder is really good. The speed is good given time.
That canon though is tough to get the lead right as Krusty noted. I am use to conserving ammo so the low number of rounds is workable but as y'all know, you got to make that shot count.
The biggest difference between the 38 and 39 outside of the obvious? I live longer in the 39. The 38 size just says shoot me first. The 39 must be a hard target to hit.
I miss the 38 but the 39 needs it time.
:salute for trying 1 of the harder planes ....sure beats the crap out of flying easy mode planes like the Ki84, spit 16 etc
:cheers:
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Randy, youre a fricken masochist :aok
Megafish, give it a rest, dude, some might confuse your head with your rear if youre beating your chest even more :bolt:
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Randy, youre a fricken masochist :aok
Megafish, give it a rest, dude, some might confuse your head with your rear if youre beating your chest even more :bolt:
Hey Go get your tweezers out and relieve your self ... I don't take crap from him or you either. You didn't need to comment, couldn't resist?
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Hey Go get your tweezers out and relieve your self ... I don't take crap from him or you either. You didn't need to comment, couldn't resist?
Sure it was unnecessery for me to comment. But it was absolutely needed for you to take comment and talk crap, like you ever do.
your turn, Mega...ehm... (edited) :D
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I don't see it as bashing...I just don't...I see it as calling it the way it is.....I didn't "bash" Randy at all...the only ones I can say ....Ya I bash is chalenge flyinfin and krusty and they just straight up deserve it.
I am blunt and to the point I don't talk out the side of my mouth like some, I say what I feel and what I think.
we hijacked Randy's thread enough.... :salute
I can't say anymore for I have tried to show you the right thing to do IMO.
:salute
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its not the only way to learn...but it is the best.
read or hear about it all you want, until you get out there and do it....nothing will sink in....muscle memory and all that jazz.
if this was the real world I would understand about being cautious......
flying to survive does one thing...... it makes you timid.
of course there are exceptions to every rule...Grizz flew to survive in the MA.......he and I butted heads over it....but he would go to DA and whoop some ass.
I won't touch on it being the "best" method...as I think that is a matter of indivdual preference...but i can see some of the advantages to your approach:
A. It is likely the quickest method to develop the muscle memory, relexive reactions and instinctive reactions as you tend to compress the time needed to gain the needed experience.
B. The "careless" attitude towards virtual death gives you an edge on someone in the MA who is flying to survive.
Over the years I have mentally cataloged various cartoon pilot types and given them labels. Two of those lables come to mind here:
1. The "Berserker"
2. The "Samauri"
II wasn't careful I would catalogue you as a "berserker" i.e.someone who throws themselves into combat careless of his virtual life...virtual death is his/her only aim and how it is dished out is of no concern. In your case , that wouldn't be the correct label. Your more of a "samauri" i.e. You share the disregard for your and others cartoon life with the "berserker", but you fight with skill, discipline and with what some would consider an honorable fashion (I.e. no or little HOing, etc). Both types I am wary of when confronting because their careless attitude towards survival makes them far more aggressive...willing to push a bad situation further than other, more cautious pilot types.*
I don't, however, think the word "timid" is fair either. I wholeheartedly agree there are "timid" MA pilots but many just fly with a more cautious approach because their ultimate aim is to land kills. There are several pilot labels I use for these, depending on their relative skill and experience:
1. The "Legionary" - lowest skill level / experience.
2. The "Centurion" - similar to above but more experience and skilled.
3. The "Caesar" - extermely experienced and skilled.
These types all fly with discipline, want to survive, land kills, etc. In my mind the vast majority of MA pilots fit in these three catagories. The truly timid pilots have a classification of their own....I label them as "Sheep" ;)
There are some other classifications I use I won't get into as I have already gotten way off topic. Sorry. :D
* I consider several current and former Muppets to be Samurai types. You, Changeup, Dodger, Redbull and (now) Pepprr come to mind. Based on what you describe, Grizz would be a Caesar. :aok
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I found the Q model lacked the torque in a duel situation. It is best to come into a fight with E to keep with a "superior" plane.
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I won't touch on it being the "best" method...as I think that is a matter of indivdual preference...but i can see some of the advantages to your approach:
A. It is likely the quickest method to develop the muscle memory, relexive reactions and instinctive reactions as you tend to compress the time needed to gain the needed experience.
B. The "careless" attitude towards virtual death gives you an edge on someone in the MA who is flying to survive.
Over the years I have mentally cataloged various cartoon pilot types and given them labels. Two of those lables come to mind here:
1. The "Berserker"
2. The "Samauri"
II wasn't careful I would catalogue you as a "berserker" i.e.someone who throws themselves into combat careless of his virtual life...virtual death is his/her only aim and how it is dished out is of no concern. In your case , that wouldn't be the correct label. Your more of a "samauri" i.e. You share the disregard for your and others cartoon life with the "berserker", but you fight with skill, discipline and with what some would consider an honorable fashion (I.e. no or little HOing, etc). Both types I am wary of when confronting because their careless attitude towards survival makes them far more aggressive...willing to push a bad situation further than other, more cautious pilot types.*
I don't, however, think the word "timid" is fair either. I wholeheartedly agree there are "timid" MA pilots but many just fly with a more cautious approach because their ultimate aim is to land kills. There are several pilot labels I use for these, depending on their relative skill and experience:
1. The "Legionary" - lowest skill level / experience.
2. The "Centurion" - similar to above but more experience and skilled.
3. The "Caesar" - extermely experienced and skilled.
These types all fly with discipline, want to survive, land kills, etc. In my mind the vast majority of MA pilots fit in these three catagories. The truly timid pilots have a classification of their own....I label them as "Sheep" ;)
There are some other classifications I use I won't get into as I have already gotten way off topic. Sorry. :D
* I consider several current and former Muppets to be Samurai types. You, Changeup, Dodger, Redbull and (now) Pepprr come to mind. Based on what you describe, Grizz would be a Caesar. :aok
nice Honest writeup....gotta respect that :aok
I have labels also.... :t
only 2.....fish and Sharks....
most of the MA are fish....some of those fish think they are Sharks....because they "stay alive" when in reality they are just fast fish. :D
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By the way, Paul only said: dont be a retard like NoChalenge - who is a retard, IMO. Now hes a real PoS indeed, and youre the defenders of faith for pumping it up like he would have bashed you all. Such a shame.
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By the way, Paul only said: dont be a retard like NoChalenge - who is a retard, IMO. Now hes a real PoS indeed, and youre the defenders of faith for pumping it up like he would have bashed you all. Such a shame.
If this is directed at me you are sadly mistaken deb. I am not a defender of faith. I do not agree with Chalenge's attitude towards discussions. However , bashing IMO is wrong. let them fly how they want lol. Is it that hard? You haven't bashed me at all since I do not fly like that.
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nice Honest writeup....gotta respect that :aok
I have labels also.... :t
only 2.....fish and Sharks....
most of the MA are fish....some of those fish think they are Sharks....because they "stay alive" when in reality they are just fast fish. :D
A somewhat overly simplistic classification system...you my friend are a black and white kinda guy. :aok
Be careful misjudging your opponent, lest the one you label a fish ends up being a piranha. :D
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BTW - Be thankful I didn't classify you as a "TonyRobbins". :D
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A somewhat overly simplistic classification system...you my friend are a black and white kinda guy. :aok
Be careful misjudging your opponent, lest the one you label a fish ends up being a piranha. :D
a piranha is a weak fish that needs to live in a pack to survive ;)
and besides I love a fight that I lose in...especially a 1vs1...those are the fighters I want to face.
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By the way, Paul only said: dont be a retard like NoChalenge - who is a retard, IMO. Now hes a real PoS indeed, and youre the defenders of faith for pumping it up like he would have bashed you all. Such a shame.
From your boy
"I didn't "bash" Randy at all...the only ones I can say ....Ya I bash is chalenge flyinfin and krusty and they just straight up deserve it."
Once again he doesn't have the Brain Power to speak correctly.... never mind bashing anyone...... neither do you.
Run-A-long,
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39 is a cool bird. If you learn nothing else from it, it will help you manage your E better since once it's gone, it ain't comin' back.
Therein lies the rub and I think how this style of fighting thing came up. You can fly smartly and still be aggressive. It's not easy because it requires correct and timely decision making, but it's certainly possible. The guys I regard as the very best in the game are able to do it. The guys who fly smartly but aren't aggressive are timid, and give heady flying a bad name. IMO, being smart and aggressive is the pinnacle of flying in AH. If everyone would strive to find that balance, our gameplay fussing would be greatly reduced.
That said, if you're gonna see it in black or white, I'd much rather a new guy or any guy (or a guy flying a new plane) just be hyper-aggressive and fling himself into the red swarm. That guy will learn to control his plane in a fight and if he ever learns how to be smart, he'll be really dangerous. The guy that flies for his life and has to be forced to engage is at a severe disadvantage and will likely take eons longer to learn the same things.
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If this is directed at me you are sadly mistaken deb. I am not a defender of faith. I do not agree with Chalenge's attitude towards discussions. However , bashing IMO is wrong. let them fly how they want lol. Is it that hard? You haven't bashed me at all since I do not fly like that.
NoChalenge has an attitude that is asking for being bashed. This is a combat game, but i never engage in combat, instead of that, i fly at 30k, pick and run with my tail between my legs, but you know noting about air combat, you suck, little lemming. Ink is something else, he is paying for this game to find a fight. Yes, hes a Samurai inside, or a Viking, or what ever - i might have some simmilarities with him. Yet he isnt asking for too much, only for not to run your spit like a lil beyotch when you see a ki84 at co-alt. And yea, there are many timid beyotches out there, usually those who have the biggest mouth. They might have any advantage, wont give you a fight (not a good fight, just a fight). We are only asking, not to be anything like them because this behaviour is ruining our fun we are paying for. It is that hard.
;)
Just for an example, seen F4U4s trying to endlessly BnZ a lone Dora, but crying cheater/haxxor, what ever when they got reversed and shot in the arse. Thats not because i am any good, but because they sucked that badly. Those encounters were no fun, nor for me and nor for them.
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pfft...been there done that :rolleyes:
did I offend you .......................frigge n waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
if people actually fought in the MA....it would be a hell of a lot better....
and no I wont "give it a rest" so put my bellybutton on ignore. :aok
No offense taken. Your bluster is full of hot air, though.
It would be a shock if you have even flown the P-39D in Late War twice, let alone fly it on the deck into the meelee for a whole tour. BS.
"Been there, done that". Yeah right. :rolleyes:
Since you refuse to budge off your high horse, I will take your advise and put you on ignore. Thanks. :aok
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From your boy
"I didn't "bash" Randy at all...the only ones I can say ....Ya I bash is chalenge flyinfin and krusty and they just straight up deserve it."
Once again he doesn't have the Brain Power to speak correctly.... never mind bashing anyone...... neither do you.
Run-A-long,
Listen, first time i seen you, was a Jug vs 190D fight. For some reason, i won. No, i had no E advantage. Was about to say GF <S> when you explained to my why and how do i suck. After that, what do you want?
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No offense taken. Your bluster is full of hot air, though.
It would be a shock if you have even flown the P-39D in Late War twice, let alone fly it on the deck into the meelee for a whole tour. BS.
"Been there, done that". Yeah right. :rolleyes:
Since you refuse to budge off your high horse, I will take your advise and put you on ignore. Thanks. :aok
I believe you see my 39D all the time
:cheers:
Edit :<----- talks to self ...try to be nice Fin
From Inks chart below
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/ink_zpsaeaa5b93.jpg) :rofl
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I won't touch on it being the "best" method...as I think that is a matter of indivdual preference...but i can see some of the advantages to your approach:
A. It is likely the quickest method to develop the muscle memory, relexive reactions and instinctive reactions as you tend to compress the time needed to gain the needed experience.
B. The "careless" attitude towards virtual death gives you an edge on someone in the MA who is flying to survive.
Over the years I have mentally cataloged various cartoon pilot types and given them labels. Two of those lables come to mind here:
1. The "Berserker"
2. The "Samauri"
II wasn't careful I would catalogue you as a "berserker" i.e.someone who throws themselves into combat careless of his virtual life...virtual death is his/her only aim and how it is dished out is of no concern. In your case , that wouldn't be the correct label. Your more of a "samauri" i.e. You share the disregard for your and others cartoon life with the "berserker", but you fight with skill, discipline and with what some would consider an honorable fashion (I.e. no or little HOing, etc). Both types I am wary of when confronting because their careless attitude towards survival makes them far more aggressive...willing to push a bad situation further than other, more cautious pilot types.*
I don't, however, think the word "timid" is fair either. I wholeheartedly agree there are "timid" MA pilots but many just fly with a more cautious approach because their ultimate aim is to land kills. There are several pilot labels I use for these, depending on their relative skill and experience:
1. The "Legionary" - lowest skill level / experience.
2. The "Centurion" - similar to above but more experience and skilled.
3. The "Caesar" - extermely experienced and skilled.
These types all fly with discipline, want to survive, land kills, etc. In my mind the vast majority of MA pilots fit in these three catagories. The truly timid pilots have a classification of their own....I label them as "Sheep" ;)
There are some other classifications I use I won't get into as I have already gotten way off topic. Sorry. :D
* I consider several current and former Muppets to be Samurai types. You, Changeup, Dodger, Redbull and (now) Pepprr come to mind. Based on what you describe, Grizz would be a Caesar. :aok
Aside from the chest thumping pissing matching going on.
I would humbly label myself as a Samurai Centurion :D
Tinkles
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No offense taken. Your bluster is full of hot air, though.
It would be a shock if you have even flown the P-39D in Late War twice, let alone fly it on the deck into the meelee for a whole tour. BS.
"Been there, done that". Yeah right. :rolleyes:
Since you refuse to budge off your high horse, I will take your advise and put you on ignore. Thanks. :aok
wooohooooo :aok
yup I only fly the Ki84... I am lieing.... I don't fly my fighters into the red hourde...I am full of hot air.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
ever since day one I flew into the hoard...live or die........does not matter to me...FACT.....yes I choose planes that have a fighting chance against the hoard...sorry I don't fly junk planes predominantly and then fly in a hoard of green to stay alive...and call other people out for their plane choice........ but wont back up my smack talk.....
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NoChalenge has an attitude that is asking for being bashed. This is a combat game, but i never engage in combat, instead of that, i fly at 30k, pick and run with my tail between my legs, but you know noting about air combat, you suck, little lemming. Ink is something else, he is paying for this game to find a fight. Yes, hes a Samurai inside, or a Viking, or what ever - i might have some simmilarities with him. Yet he isnt asking for too much, only for not to run your spit like a lil beyotch when you see a ki84 at co-alt. And yea, there are many timid beyotches out there, usually those who have the biggest mouth. They might have any advantage, wont give you a fight (not a good fight, just a fight). We are only asking, not to be anything like them because this behaviour is ruining our fun we are paying for. It is that hard.
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Just for an example, seen F4U4s trying to endlessly BnZ a lone Dora, but crying cheater/haxxor, what ever when they got reversed and shot in the arse. Thats not because i am any good, but because they sucked that badly. Those encounters were no fun, nor for me and nor for them.
So are you saying I suck and I'm a lemming?
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I believe you see my 39D all the time
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Edit :<----- talks to self ...try to be nice Fin
From the chart below
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2 kills? I thought you flew the P-39d. :headscratch:
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2 kills? I thought you flew the P-39d. :headscratch:
Thats Inks chart he just posted :rofl you were right :)
:lol you'll have to take him off ignore already ...damn!
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Thats Inks chart :rofl you were right :)
I knew it! :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Aside from the chest thumping pissing matching going on.
I would humbly label myself as a Samurai Centurion :D
Tinkles
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Nah. I have a label for someone who switches between those two styles: a "Spartan".
BTW - before anyone gets their panties in a wad....it's my system and it's admittedly flawed. Also, I've rarely met anyone who 100% fits in any one category. ("Sheep" and "TonyRobbins" types being the only exceptions.) Cartoon Pilots are a complex group!
Maybe one day I can work with someone to develop a written test that will help tell someone what style / personality they tend toward...a Myers Briggs test for AH pilots!
I can only imagine the resulting forum / ch200 holy wars the debates a test like that would generate.... :bolt:
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2 kills? I thought you flew the P-39d. :headscratch:
I was referring to flying less then great planes....into the hoard.
unlike koolaid I avoid the green gang as much as possible......would be pretty stupid flying a plane that is not capable fighting the hoard.
again I see you commenting koolaid boy....as you can see I haven't flown the P39 often....so lets go DA and we will fly the 39...see if you can actually fight?
or are you just all type......the time you have over me and the experience in the 39 should make me quite an easy kill.....not that I think you have the gonads, you will come up with some lame excuse as you always do. :rolleyes:
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Just to be clear on this, Ink did not mash my button. I must say Ink, every time I see a Ki, it is always first on my list to engage. :aok
Like some of the others though, using every means at your disposal to win is part of the game. The vox gets filled with criticism of a single plane hugging the ack with the red horde above but I give he or she every credit because they could just tower out to another base. I know, I have been there. K/D be damned.
The mustang has the ability to extend but people call it the runstang. Extending is like climbing in a Ki, you do it to win. The point is I want the fight on my planes terms not the other plane's terms. the 39 has limited terms so I will use what ever I can use.
There are times I have choose a less aggressive path. Ink is right about that albeit, it doesn't happen often. Jump on one of my comrades and I will knock you and others off the green guy.
Back to the thread.
I used the target in offline practice with the canon to get an idea of the drop. At 400 the drop is small but the travel time seems lengthy. This is going to be a though row to hoe.
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If you learn nothing else from it, it will help you manage your E better since once it's gone, it ain't comin' back.
Ain't that the truth and I agree. Much better to learn on than say the Yak3 which can recover E fast. Fly rides like that when someone first starts is both helpful and hurtful...helpful in that if they make a mistake they still have a chance to recover...hurtful because they might never realize the mistakes they continue to make if they stay with the ride too long.
Therein lies the rub and I think how this style of fighting thing came up. You can fly smartly and still be aggressive. It's not easy because it requires correct and timely decision making, but it's certainly possible. The guys I regard as the very best in the game are able to do it. The guys who fly smartly but aren't aggressive are timid, and give heady flying a bad name. IMO, being smart and aggressive is the pinnacle of flying in AH. If everyone would strive to find that balance, our gameplay fussing would be greatly reduced.
This. :aok
That said, if you're gonna see it in black or white, I'd much rather a new guy or any guy (or a guy flying a new plane) just be hyper-aggressive and fling himself into the red swarm. That guy will learn to control his plane in a fight and if he ever learns how to be smart, he'll be really dangerous. The guy that flies for his life and has to be forced to engage is at a severe disadvantage and will likely take eons longer to learn the same things.
I have to agree with this and I base it on my own personal experience. I flew far too conservatively for my first few years and I did not progress at the same pace as others I know who started around the same time. This was in large part due to the first cartoon pilots I flew with...who were extremely score conscious and flew very conservatively. This is what I think the biggest factor for success for the new guy: finding the right person or (better) squad to set that tone with a new pilot....help cultivate a fighting spirit....etc.
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I was referring to flying less then great planes....into the hoard.
unlike koolaid I avoid the green gang as much as possible......would be pretty stupid flying a plane that is not capable fighting the hoard.
again I see you commenting koolaid boy....as you can see I haven't flown the P39 often....so lets go DA and we will fly the 39...see if you can actually fight?
or are you just all type......the time you have over me and the experience in the 39 should make me quite an easy kill.....not that I think you have the gonads, you will come up with some lame excuse as you always do. :rolleyes:
Its like it went through one ear and out the other.
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Just to be clear on this, Ink did not mash my button. I must say Ink, every time I see a Ki, it is always first on my list to engage. :aok
Like some of the others though, using every means at your disposal to win is part of the game. The vox gets filled with criticism of a single plane hugging the ack with the red horde above but I give he or she every credit because they could just tower out to another base. I know, I have been there. K/D be damned.
The mustang has the ability to extend but people call it the runstang. Extending is like climbing in a Ki, you do it to win. The point is I want the fight on my planes terms not the other plane's terms. the 39 has limited terms so I will use what ever I can use.
There are times I have choose a less aggressive path. Ink is right about that albeit, it doesn't happen often. Jump on one of my comrades and I will knock you and others off the green guy.
Back to the thread.
I used the target in offline practice with the canon to get an idea of the drop. At 400 the drop is small but the travel time seems lengthy. This is going to be a though row to hoe.
thats good I am glad I didn't "mash your buttons" :lol as you said...I wasn't trying to insult you....
I know I am blunt and some take offense to that....or just don't understand not sugar coating something.
I do agree using your planes advantages to win..however I do not agree "anything" to "win"... you wont see me vulching(out of those 23,000 kills maybe 12 are vulches) or jumping on a con when he is engaged with multiples already(unless of course he attacks me then I will, and even then not always)
my squadies know if I am fighting I am OK no matter the number I am fighting...I wont be mad at them for not engaging. most times I would rather be left alone to die.
A 51 does not have to "extend" it fights awesome, just not a great slow turner, I will never give someone a hard time for using his planes strengths to fight...that is..... if......... he is Fighting :D
my whole point is if someone is playing a combat game....partake in the combat...if you are gonna run your mouth(not saying YOU are) you need to back that up....I don't mind someone smack talking.....hell it makes it more interesting....but smack talking and not backing it up by actually fighting...well you probably get the idea. :salute
good luck in your plane choice...... :O
woulda been better off if you don't want to take a monster...take the LA5 or spit 5....or 205......of course I suggest the Ki84 it is a fighting mans plane. :D
the 39's are junk....
Its like it went through one ear and out the other.
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and what I said to you went right over your head. :aok
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my whole point is if someone is playing a combat game....partake in the combat...
I don't mean to differ with your philosophy but I don't think the majority of players see combat as you do. I think for the most part they'd rather kill other players and not actually get killed themselves. In other words the combat is all well and good as long as they are doing it to other players.
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I don't mean to differ with your philosophy but I don't think the majority of players see combat as you do. I think for the most part they'd rather kill other players and not actually get killed themselves. In other words the combat is all well and good as long as they are doing it to other players.
I don't want to differ myself but I like the verbal combat on 200. :O
Dweebalos........where you be?.... :D
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I don't mean to differ with your philosophy but I don't think the majority of players see combat as you do. I think for the most part they'd rather kill other players and not actually get killed themselves. In other words the combat is all well and good as long as they are doing it to other players.
you are right of course....
it has to be sad as all hell knowing you were the 6/7th guy on one....or you run to ack every time you don't have advantage....or your opening move is the HO then your second move is call for help on country channel. :rofl :rofl :rofl
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When there's 300 guys on, thats 300 players breaking the unwritten rules of 299 other players. Hard to keep track of when its 299 different sets of rules and they are all right and all wrong. This will never change.
As for the 39, I stink in it (and many others) but its like shooting rifles at 1500 yards. After doping the wind and drops, and dealing with mirage at that range, 700 yards suddenly feels like a chip shot.
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There are no rules in the MA as it should be. Otherwise only the sharks would have any kind of fun having mastered the bleeding edges of the rules. The DA, AvA, and SEA are about rules based combat. I have no problem with someone being branded whatever by those in the DA if that person flakes on the DA rules to protect themselves from shame while in the DA, dueling. The same for the other rules based arenas if you break those rules. As someone famous once said" "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar"s........."
The only rule in the MA is: "No Rules"
I'm sure INK if asked can distribute the standard list of rules governing dueling in the "DA" for those interested in dueling in the DA with INK.
You need an environment where 80% of the paying customers can account for combat in any manner that's fun for them. Opposed to a constant peer shaming judgment of their standing as a person in the face of paying Hitech Creations Inc. their hard earned money for a good time. That $14.95 makes everyone equal in the MA. All the other outcomes from combat encounters, some people like in real life are more motivated than others. But, that doesn't make them any better of a human being than others. Just talented at going piu, piu, piu in a cartoon game.
If you need to constantly tell others that you are superior to them in the face of the obvious to your talents? What is your problem? Most players just want to get on with what they are paying $14.95 for and have "their" fun "their" way. Everyone knows you are there. If anyone wants to go at it with you they are very aware from the loud and constant insulting where to find you.
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There are no rules in the MA as it should be. Otherwise only the sharks would have any kind of fun having mastered the bleeding edges of the rules. The DA, AvA, and SEA are about rules based combat. I have no problem with someone being branded whatever by those in the DA if that person flakes on the DA rules to protect themselves from shame while in the DA, dueling. The same for the other rules based arenas if you break those rules. As someone famous once said" "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar"s........."
The only rule in the MA is: "No Rules"
I'm sure INK if asked can distribute the standard list of rules governing dueling in the "DA" for those interested in dueling in the DA with INK.
You need an environment where 80% of the paying customers can account for combat in any manner that's fun for them. Opposed to a constant peer shaming judgment of their standing as a person in the face of paying Hitech Creations Inc. their hard earned money for a good time. That $14.95 makes everyone equal in the MA. All the other outcomes from combat encounters, some people like in real life are more motivated than others. But, that doesn't make them any better of a human being than others. Just talented at going piu, piu, piu in a cartoon game.
If you need to constantly tell others that you are superior to them in the face of the obvious to your talents? What is your problem? Most players just want to get on with what they are paying $14.95 for and have "their" fun "their" way. Everyone knows you are there. If anyone wants to go at it with you they are very aware from the loud and constant insulting where to find you.
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you crack me up.....
post one quote from me where I say I am better then anyone. :rolleyes:
calling out lame game behavior is what it is.....seeings how you have to respond to just about everyone of my posts about lame game behavior I see what I say tweaks your nipples....
:rofl :rofl :rofl
truth hurt change your reality. :aok
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Can be a fun ride. Listen to Krusty and TB they have it right.
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you crack me up.....
post one quote from me where I say I am better then anyone. :rolleyes:
calling out lame game behavior is what it is.....seeings how you have to respond to just about everyone of my posts about lame game behavior I see what I say tweaks your nipples....
:rofl :rofl :rofl
truth hurt change your reality. :aok
If you need to constantly tell others that you are superior to them in the face of the obvious to your talents? What is your problem? Most players just want to get on with what they are paying $14.95 for and have "their" fun "their" way. Everyone knows you are there. If anyone wants to go at it with you they are very aware from the loud and constant insulting where to find you.
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If you need to constantly tell others that you are superior to them in the face of the obvious to your talents? What is your problem? Most players just want to get on with what they are paying $14.95 for and have "their" fun "their" way. Everyone knows you are there. If anyone wants to go at it with you they are very aware from the loud and constant insulting where to find you.
This
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If you need to constantly tell others that you are superior to them in the face of the obvious to your talents? What is your problem? Most players just want to get on with what they are paying $14.95 for and have "their" fun "their" way. Everyone knows you are there. If anyone wants to go at it with you they are very aware from the loud and constant insulting where to find you.
once again...I ask you to quote a post where I say I am superior :headscratch:
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So are you saying I suck and I'm a lemming?
Yes! :rofl
uhm, no.
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Personally, I think it's deplorable that Bustr forces his rules upon us as to how we can and cannot socially influence others. There are no rules against calling something lame. :old:
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you are right of course....
it has to be sad as all hell knowing you were the 6/7th guy on one....or you run to ack every time you don't have advantage....or your opening move is the HO then your second move is call for help on country channel. :rofl :rofl :rofl
I often used to wonder how one could get a feeling of achievement by doing those things. From their perspective they just want you dead by any means. In a ganging situation they probably have selective vision about the other green guys around them, at this point it's not beating you but rather beating the others in the gang to get you that becomes the challenge. The majority of players have basically paid their $15 to win, and winning goes on the scoreboard after all.
It gets more complicated with some of the very co-ordinated squads. They'll fight you one on one until the fight turns South for them and then call a wingman in to scrape you off. Smart? Probably, but rather unsporting.
Every now and again you meet the real thing though, often flying alone and a quiet one you might not have even heard about before, never or seldom see on the BBS. Real skill and guile in combat. Don't really care about the result as much as the fight. They are very rare though but the most rewarding to fight.
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Had a pretty good night in the MA last evening. Most of the time was spent on the deck in a base defense. The 39 held its own with Spits, 109s, mustangs and the like when I caught them slow.
I am slowly getting a handle on the canon slow fire rate.
On a hard roll reversal to left near stall on the deck. . . well, that didn't go well.
The wep on this plane is the real saving grace.
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Ink what program is that to obatain those statistics? I've never seen that before
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Ink what program is that to obatain those statistics? I've never seen that before
That's Spatulas' old Pilot Stats program.
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sorry I will never accept that people "play" a combat game to avoid combat.....go friggen play off line if you don't want to get dirty.
I'd have went with "go play online golf, at least they provide the balls."
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edit: and to stay on-topic, both the 39's are fun little rides - just work *with* it, it doesn't like to be forced.
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More than two P-39 kills by a "lame" substandard cartoon pilot:
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One tip on flying the 39 is to bleed the fuelin t he wings asb you will get a better turn with it.
I havebto laugh at this thread. I know Snuggie will do his damdest to kill no matter what he flies.
The same with Ink , what I cant stand is the constant jumping in on the AOM on this thread ... step back ladies INK is a big boy and he can clearly defend himself verbally. I am sure if he couldn't he would take his ball and go home.
I have yet to see a thread where there was so much chest thumping and self back patting.
I know I suck and will gladly admit it but who gives a f@#$, this is a game to relieve stress not add to it.
LawnDart
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One tip on flying the 39 is to bleed the fuelin t he wings asb you will get a better turn with it.
This is a very good tip. Especially since the P-39 only has wing tanks.
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This is a very good tip. Especially since the P-39 only has wing tanks.
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the P39Q without gunpods is very fun to fly and in the level it is decently fast I think at 15,500ft without wep I had it to 378mph without tail winds or stuff like that atleast that's what true speed indicated on the E6B get some stick time in it and you will find its very easy to handle even at low speeds
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Snailman has an LW arena total of 36 kills in both P-39's combined, all time.
In comparison, he had 228 kills in the Komet in the last tour alone.
That's what AH has come to... :( ... That guy should really grow some friggin ballz :bhead
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I'd have went with "go play online golf, at least they provide the balls."
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edit: and to stay on-topic, both the 39's are fun little rides - just work *with* it, it doesn't like to be forced.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
That's Spatulas' old Pilot Stats program.
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Ink what program is that to obatain those statistics? I've never seen that before
its a very cool program, has all kinds of stats....a good graph to show progress...you can break it down by individual aircraft or tour...or like in the screenies I posted that is all tours...
I would give it to ya, but he asks us not to and I told him I wouldn't........you can send him a PM here, I am sure you could get it :aok
I often used to wonder how one could get a feeling of achievement by doing those things. From their perspective they just want you dead by any means. In a ganging situation they probably have selective vision about the other green guys around them, at this point it's not beating you but rather beating the others in the gang to get you that becomes the challenge. The majority of players have basically paid their $15 to win, and winning goes on the scoreboard after all.
It gets more complicated with some of the very co-ordinated squads. They'll fight you one on one until the fight turns South for them and then call a wingman in to scrape you off. Smart? Probably, but rather unsporting.
Every now and again you meet the real thing though, often flying alone and a quiet one you might not have even heard about before, never or seldom see on the BBS. Real skill and guile in combat. Don't really care about the result as much as the fight. They are very rare though but the most rewarding to fight.
its a rare thing to find fighters in the MA...a know I am in the minority hard core but whatever....my bit#%ing about it has gotten a few to go to the darkside and fight no matter what...more then a few actually.
the more of those type players the better the MA will be....
FSO is the time to worry about your life...hell I ran away last night without a issue in FSO... :O I did get discoed after my first 47 kill.... :noid
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There are no rules against calling something lame. :old:
:aok The lame arse is absolutely correct. :D
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the P39Q without gunpods is very fun to fly and in the level it is decently fast I think at 15,500ft without wep I had it to 378mph without tail winds or stuff like that atleast that's what true speed indicated on the E6B get some stick time in it and you will find its very easy to handle even at low speeds
I had tried the P39Q in the past sometimes choosing it for base defense. The real reason I choose it for this tour is because of the late Doc Davis. I could never get it out of my mind how nearly embarrassed he was for having been assigned to a P39 squadron. He is gone now. I wished I would have found AH before he passed away.
I tell you what. The 39 can get on the tail of planes like 109s and La's and it can stay with them especially if they make any E bleeding mistakes. Had two La's on my tail and out turned them enough to make them break-off and run.
I have about got the canon under control. The two 50s do better than I expected. It is hard to take someone down but you can make them make mistakes with a few pings.
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All of this has been good advice. :aok
The P-39 in game has very benign departure characteristics. It doesn't snap roll in wing stalls, and is very controllable at very low speeds. It can kick the tail around better than the famous 109 move all the K4 jockies love because the plane has a lot of rudder. I tend to suck the faster planes into turn fights by progressively turning tighter, then make aggressive moves into rolling scissors. It's easy to get most late war birds into an overshoot, because of how well the P-39 slows down, and flies well slow [stable, good roll rate, lots of rudder]. This will generate slow crossing shots which are an ideal use for the 37mm because the range is close, and the plan view of the bandit provides the largest possible target to hit. If you miss the shot, you're toast as most bandits can extend quickly because the P-39 accelerates pretty poorly, and once the bandit is 600 and beyond, he's very tough to hit with the big gun. But alas these maneuvers leave you easy pickins for the second and third guy in, which is why my K/d in a P-39 was always around 1.0. In a furball do the opposite. Get high and dive through because the the P-39 is one of the best diving planes in the game. it'll do 550mph without compressing so it turns well at high speed for BnZ attacks. It won't however maintain it's E so get back to vertical as quick at possible, then climb out to regain the energy you lost and repeat your diving attack. I have landed 7 kills in this fashion on 1 ammo load. Good luck! :salute
The views are less of a problem with Trackir. The fixed view will leave a lot of blind area when looking backwards. there's no avoiding it with fixed views.
I've always found I can win 1v1 with most of the late war planes because the P-39 turns pretty well, but it will struggle against the better turning planes with better Power-to-weight ratios like zekes, spits, n1kis. The trajectory on the 37mm is something you can get used to, but the scatter on successive rounds is the problem. If the bandit is maneuvering, best to keep shots inside 200 yards. If he's flying straight and level, 400yrds is max.
The plane is a de-acking monster. you can de-ack almost any field on one ammo load with a little practice. to do this you have to practice lobbing 37mm at the guns from 1.5-1K out and breaking before the auto ack gets you because the P-39 is pretty vulnerable to auto ack fire and bursts into flame easily.
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Fine post, Vinkman :aok
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The graphics in the P39 cockpit are really well done and by themselves are worth a ride.. The glass lens on top of the gunsight is perfect.
Vinkman, a good post for sure. As you noted the 39 can turn with most planes albeit it is more of a break even instead of beat the best turners. I can't help but think the Russians used the 39 to beat the German planes by using the same tactic.
I noticed John Browning was the designer of the 37mm canon then Colt made them.
Pulling down the fast birds is the tactic I have been using with good success. I wonder if anyone has a translated Russian tactical training manual.
I had a good encounter with Knights I think they were after a NOE went bad. I ended up in the middle of a nest of them. The fight was brief but exciting as I put the 39 on the edge of stall turn reverses until they got me. I got several Salutes from those guys which I greatly appreciated.
The 39 should be no hanger queen, that is for sure.
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The graphics in the P39 cockpit are really well done and by themselves are worth a ride.. The glass lens on top of the gunsight is perfect.
Vinkman, a good post for sure. As you noted the 39 can turn with most planes albeit it is more of a break even instead of beat the best turners. I can't help but think the Russians used the 39 to beat the German planes by using the same tactic.
I noticed John Browning was the designer of the 37mm canon then Colt made them.
Pulling down the fast birds is the tactic I have been using with good success. I wonder if anyone has a translated Russian tactical training manual.
I had a good encounter with Knights I think they were after a NOE went bad. I ended up in the middle of a nest of them. The fight was brief but exciting as I put the 39 on the edge of stall turn reverses until they got me. I got several Salutes from those guys which I greatly appreciated.
The 39 should be no hanger queen, that is for sure.
that is the only reason Aces High is still installed on my comp....
the more you do that...the better you will get..it will sharpen your SA unlike anything else....when you start being able to kill 2 or3 and on a good day 6 or 7 attacking you...the adrenaline rush is like I got doing 145 down the highway in my Challenger...
except no one dies here :rock
I see
so far no one posted where I said I was "better" then everyone.... :rolleyes:
the difference is I fight no matter what and I have gotten good over the years I spent flying...I have gotten hundreds maybe more then hundreds and into the thousands of <S> "great flying" and the like...
but I know I am far from the best....I will give the best a fight I guarantee that..... and on a good day I can kill them....
but my aim is sub-par and you need great aim to be the best of the best.
glad to see you are getting it dirty :rock :salute
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One last interesting point about the P39 canon. You want see kills when you are pulling a hard lead. They just are gone.
Who ever wrote the Wiki had good guidance on the canon. Fire the canon in one to three shot burst but no more than three.