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General Forums => Films and Screenshots => Topic started by: LCADolby on May 31, 2014, 06:50:40 AM
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A 3am bit of fun for me against Skyyr.
These were good, fair, co-E, co-alt and friendly duels, which turned into a training session of sorts.
Here is the film from my perspective. No music so it can act as a training aid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTHQsXhS_7k
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no doubt he will be along shortly to critique your flying.
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Well he didn't shy away from going there at least. My suggestion to Skyyr would be to duel in something very turny and fragile, such as the Spit5, which is probably one of the best dueling planes. It forces you to stay in close, be aggressive, and really learn angles and energy fighting in close, where mistakes mean a quick death. If you are getting beaten very badly in this regard, dump the cannon beforehand so that the duel lasts longer and you can hopefully pick up more before being towered. If you prefer the Luftwaffe stuff, the 109F4 is a great substitute. Don't be discouraged about getting your butt handed to you at first. You will be humbled, and it is a process all must go through if they want to become relatively proficient at dueling. I did it by dueling and losing to Kazaa, Grizz, Batfink, Dedalos, Bighorn, and countless others hundreds if not thousands of times until I could at least win a few here and there.
While the dueling style fighting is obviously not the only aspect of MA flying, it is a very important one. Learning how to angles and energy fight will increase your effectiveness as a BnZer 10 fold. No longer will you have to extend 3k before turning around and hoping that he is engaged so you can catch him off guard. Rather you can keep it in closer than 1k, maintain your E advantage, and get a shot opportunity quickly all by yourself. While dueling, or 1v1 may not be your natural style, it will greatly enhance your overall flying and any specific style that you may adhere to.
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Nice application of basic principles of ACM. :aok
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We had some fun with them in the TA last night :banana:
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A 3am bit of fun for me against Skyyr.
These were good, fair, co-E, co-alt and friendly duels, which turned into a training session of sorts.
Here is the film from my perspective. No music so it can act as a training aid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTHQsXhS_7k
Training session, eh?
And you were PMing me repeatedly trying to convince me otherwise. I told you that wasn't his usual flight style. The jig is up. Epic fail. :lol
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After the Dora rounds, I felt bad and gave him some tips and hints :)
Feel free to cheer lead him into having another go Vraciu. The more training materials the better.
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After the Dora rounds, I felt bad and gave him some tips and hints :)
Feel free to cheer lead him into having another go Vraciu. The more training materials the better.
I have fought him 1000 times He doesn't fly like that. I told you so. Now you fess up before you get exposed. CYA time. Lmao! :rofl
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I have fought him 1000 times He doesn't fly like that. I told you so. Now you fess up before you get exposed. CYA time. Lmao! :rofl
So, then why would he not fly as you say he usually does? :headscratch:
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So, then why would he not fly as you say he usually does? :headscratch:
Hes used to having a 5000ft alt advantage and a wingman to cover his arse every time he makes a mistake in game or on the forums.
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Skyyr gave his all against me in those Dora rounds, after that in the 109s I watched him fly, I gave him tips, hints etc. to try to help improve his fight.
Your cheer leading is going to damage yours and Skyyr's relationship if you wont stop acting the foo'.
And so you know I have all of the AHfilms saved if you want to continue this "no way Dolby beat Skyyr, that's not Skyyr" silliness of yours.
As a side note, what am I supposed to be "fess"ing up to? That it was early morning my time, I had half my concentration level but still managed to fight, observe and pass on knowledge and help at the same time?
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*yawn*
1/10.
We all know what is going on here, pal.
Here's a shovel. Keep digging.
(And stop raping my inbox and buffer in the MA with your unwelcome messages, stalker.)
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See Rule #4
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I don't get it, Vraciu is Skyyr? He so vigilant and protective, I can only assume their the same person. the BBS warriors at their finest I supposed.
<S> nice fights Cargnico, this video gave me a good perspective on 1v1 Duels and how to approach the merge.
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And so you know I have all of the AHfilms saved if you want to continue this "no way Dolby beat Skyyr, that's not Skyyr" silliness of yours.
No need to argue. Just post a film.
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Vraciu, outside of your silly cheer leading, the only person that knows what is going on here is you, but you wont say what that is.
So please, rather than continue with your bile, just say it out in plain no-frills English.
As for not flying as he usually does, that has been pointed out;
Hes used to having a 5000ft alt advantage and a wingman to cover his arse every time he makes a mistake in game or on the forums.
In this film, Skyyr flys with no alt or E advantage, it's pure pilots and planes, relying solely on his own current ability.
I'll happily duel him again without resorting to feeling bad and helping him out if you like, so you can't push a daft agendum I suspect you are trying to push. Your agendum seems that it might be to say that your hero, Skyyr, wasn't fighting, and only playing around in training, that is a fallacy considering the 200 banter leading up to my DA of Skyyr, which you were even apart of.
I assure you that my duels in the Dora's were most definitely without the thought of training being involved.
It was only after how easily I could see how easily he was being felled that I started giving him tips and hints.
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No need to argue. Just post a film.
He has finally accepted it is Skyyr. Even viewing some of it himself, according to him. So I'm cool with that, even though he has switched to another argument just as ridiculous.. "Even when you win, you can't win" :rolleyes:
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Have you tried using padlock in films?
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See Rule #4
Have you tried using padlock in films?
Padlock?
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Tab to select the bandit's icon. F11 to padlock. It will track the bandit, keeping it centered in the monitor, while you watch or convert the film.
From the cockpit view it looks like TIR and makes playback smoother.
It also works with F3 and F4 but in F3 your aircraft typically blocks the view of the bandit.
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I think padlock would give the wrong impression as to where and what I am looking at in the seat. ( also can block looks at manifold, flaps, trim etc.)
Not only that having just done a brief test, it feels disorientating, at least to me.
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This is gonna get rule 4ed...
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Why does he keep shutting down his engine?
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I think padlock would give the wrong impression as to where and what I am looking at in the seat. ( also can block looks at manifold, flaps, trim etc.)
Not only that having just done a brief test, it feels disorientating, at least to me.
If you're used to hat views it probably feels like hat views do to everyone not using them. It's a personal preference, not saying it's better, just wondered if you'd tried it. For training films you can always add text so it's obvious , one notch flaps, reduced power, added wep etc. In the MA you need to look around more but dueling you can focus just on the one bandit.
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Why does he keep shutting down his engine?
its supposed to reduce torque pull from the engine, but in my experience working the throttle is much more convenient and has the same effect.
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If Skyyr had been more pragmatic, he'd have won.
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I have fought him 1000 times He doesn't fly like that. I told you so. Now you fess up before you get exposed. CYA time. Lmao! :rofl
Only one person got exposed, shame you can't see it.
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I told you that wasn't his usual flight style.
I don't know which skyyr you're talking about, but that was EXACTLY the kind of flight style, the skyyr I know of uses... straight for the ceiling after the merge.
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The best style to know is all of them :old:
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The best style to know is all of them :old:
How do you do that? You can't learn anything in this game unless you survive.
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Only one person got exposed, shame you can't see it.
:rofl
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its supposed to reduce torque pull from the engine, but in my experience working the throttle is much more convenient and has the same effect.
Yeah seems a little lame to me.
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its supposed to reduce torque pull from the engine, but in my experience working the throttle is much more convenient and has the same effect.
You are indeed correct but cutting the engine is pretty stupid even when avoiding an overshoot.
Also using throttle could be problematic when working with torque as well because you are risking a lot of e by cutting throttle.
You gotta learn to work with your trim and minimal throttle when it comes to torque. Now when scissoring, that is a whole
new situation.
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How do you do that? You can't learn anything in this game unless you survive.
Not true, the best teacher is experience. Which sometimes can be failure or not succeeding.
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I know guys that have flown in this game for years and still make the same mistakes. Depends on the person - I am of the opinion you you have to buck human nature and be willing to learn.
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And yet... he kills. :headscratch:
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And yet... he kills. :headscratch:
Skyyr and his group are pretty good at BmZ/Efighting, and they are the kind of guys who make you suffer for not paying attention to the high 190 Icons. However id like to explain I scenario I was apart of a few days ago on the crater map.
I came off from a further back field in a heavy p47N looking to drop a hangar, as I was climbing out it became clear the base take wasn't gonna happen so I punched my ords and looked around for the nearest furball. A sqaudy than informs me of a 152 which has an 15k or so alt cap over our base. I decide to head over there at about 20k or so and see if I can knock him out.
When I make contact with the 152 I dive in for his six and he evades my attack, as I zoom up, I see the 152 diving out so I go right back in on him and begin peppering him from 600-800 out. When I see the 152 is diving in the direction of friendlies I pull up and watch what he does. The two friendly planes he had dove in the direction of were a tempest, and another 152(friendly). Since he had dove away from me, the enemy 152 had now become co alt with the temp and friendly 152, the tempest is able to get him to turn, and the friendly 152 gains his six and shoots him down and Skyyrs name appears in my chat bar as an assist.
Now of course he was out numbered and at an E disadvantage when I showed up, but it was far from a hopeless situation for him. In hind sight, his best option would have been to hold his ground and fight it out with me. The two lower friendlies would have had to work their way up from around 7 or 8k to 15k to make the engagement a 3v1. If he was able to neutralize my E advantage and push/shoot me down he would have retained his Alt cap on the area. By diving out he turned what was a 1 on 1 with an E disadvantage into a 3 on 1 with a still present E disadvantage.
To be honest, I'm sure he would have rather me be the one killing him in a 1v1 than the person who ended up doing it but that's besides the point. The point is engaging from the initial disadvantage was actually his best move, but avoiding a unfavorable confrontation ended up putting him into an even worse situation. I'm not one to say he whether or not he's good in a defensive or co-E fight, but its pretty clear from the duels that his ability as a TnB fighter is no where near the same as the his ability as a BmZ/E fighter.
Please don't look at this as some sort of attack on the skyyr or his group, its just an observation I wanted to share. He's a good at what he does and to be honest, when we are both in the same furball, He sends me to the tower more times than I do him.
Just better hope I don't come in at your alt ;)
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Please don't look at this as some sort of attack on the skyyr or his group, its just an observation I wanted to share.
I honestly don't look at any of these posts as being an attack on The Damned. I just find some of the posts as curious. Not yours, which was well-reasoned and phrased in a polite manner. So :salute sir...I knew there was a reason I liked you. :)
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And yet... he kills. :headscratch:
But not in a fair duel against Dolby. Which I'm guessing was the point. To be fair, you won't duel at your best without experience and recent practice.
If you only practice dueling then BnZ is not difficult but the reverse is not true.
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Why does he keep shutting down his engine?
It's an old gamey trick that has been around in AH for many years. Some do it in co-Energy engagements thinking that by turning their engine off, they can bleed enough E to get inside of the of their (now faster) opponent in a turn fight. Hblair made use of this famous when he used to play. Some others think that it will help them mitigate the torque effects, which like the other reason is just a fallacy and any benefits are solely in the mind of the beholder.
ack-ack
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You actually bleed speed more quickly if you just throttle all the way back and leave the engine on from what I can tell. I personally think that if someone shuts down their engine in flight, it should take the appropriate amount of time to start it back up (ie: going through the whole start up procedure).
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Skyyr? Where art the damned Skyyr?
No comments?
Vraciu trying to do it for ya don't count.
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See Rule #4
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This one's headed for he lock box as well. IN.
For the record, I got shot down by Skyyr's 152 the other day. He had a high cap going over the base and BnZed me after some brief attempts, on my part, to force an overshoot. I don't believe this makes him an irredeemable bastage, though i was mildly annoyed at myself for letting it happen. It's always so tempting to up at a capped base... after all, there is no waiting for combat.
I think its just a matter of what you want from the game; the flying/fighting style you choose. For example, I was trying the F4u-1 briefly last week, just for laughs and to see how it feels. I was tip-stalling a lot and it felt like a pig. OTOH, the six view was a little better - or at least easier, imj. It takes more pilot than i, I fear, to win with that thing.
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See Rule #4
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Vraciu. if I pressed play on the film, picked up the screen and threw it at you, you'd still not realise the truth hit you.
Skyyr wont refute anything I have said because he'd have to lie about it, and a rematch of the 190D rounds would end in the same manner.
Now go. shoo!
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Can you feel the love?
(http://hqwide.com/wallpapers/m/29/pokemon_pikachu_raichu_m28844.jpg)
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Can you feel the love?
(http://hqwide.com/wallpapers/m/29/pokemon_pikachu_raichu_m28844.jpg)
Now I have my least favoite Elton John song running through my head. Thanks for that! Damn you, sir... Damn you. :lol
Dollby: I'm not going to get into the background stuff... I was not there and don't care. Respectfully, losing to you is hardly a stain on one's skills. I've been here 10+ years and would be lucky to win one out of ten matches against you. I would be remiss if I didn't point out Skyyr has been here 6 months and came a lot closer than I would in similar circumstances. ;)
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Keep with the squad motto and "don't give a damn
:old:
Excellent advice sir. :) :salute
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Least favorite Elton John song? :uhoh
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Least favorite Elton John song? :uhoh
There are some good ones.. Like... Um..... Ah... :bolt:
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Skyyr has been here 6 months
He has been around online WW2 combat sims for much longer than that, longer than I infact.
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He has been around online WW2 combat sims for much longer than that, longer than I infact.
Indeed he has, or I for that matter. But we both play other Sims.... So you and I both know while ACM remains the same across flight Sims the modeling of Flight characteristics, gunnery and other factors do not. AH modeling is some of the most difficult I've ever encountered.... Takes time to get used to.
Just sayin', mon ami. :) :salute
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This game models induced drag differently (read: horribly). So, while we have played Sims for a long time, we haven't played *this* one for long and we are still learning physics of this one. We haven't lived in this environment for nearly as long as most people here.
That being said, this is an interesting video of a "duel" turned into training session, I'd really like to see the original film file, with chat log included and the dates when these "duels" happened. Because they were so conveniently missing from the YouTube video.
I would really love to see the context in which these were taken,so we can all learn from this valuable training session.
Could you please provide them so I can study them?
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What would the chat logs have to do with any of this? The vid speaks for itself. I haven't seen him come by to refute any of this which also speaks volumes.
You had a guy that was clearly without a clue as to what to do at the merge and consistently so. He didn't have an energy advantage in these duels to where he could just toss away angles as he did and that cost him time and again. In the one fight where he did get at least a shot at Dolby, it was a last ditch attempt to get him as he had clearly roped himself but didn't recognise it. Skyrr got schooled here by one of the better sticks in the game nuff said. But I don't think that was the point (I hope! :angel:). The point I hope was--what not to do on the merge.
If the '"style" is: if I don't lose the other guy can't win-- that's not much of a style. Extending from 1v1 fights isn't a style. And it's no way to gain any respect here--not that I think that matters to you. Which is a shame speaking as long time member of the Damned. This is not the way that squad ever rolled. We fought well and won and lost well. We were active in events. We were trainers. It truely saddens me to see them represented with this kind. All good I guess as I'm not longer with them. TC's got his work cut out for him.
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The context in which these took place had everything to do with it,
If I pull you in the DA under the pretense of "training" or friendly discourse and say "try this" then shoot you down then post a video a couple of months later to prove how much better I am, context is everything. Original AH films please, as I said.
I want to learn from this training experience.
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The context in which these took place had everything to do with it,
If I pull you in the DA under the pretense of "training" or friendly discourse and say "try this" then shoot you down then post a video a couple of months later to prove how much better I am, context is everything. Original AH films please, as I said.
I want to learn from this training experience.
:)
I'm pretty sure Dolby didn't tell Skyyr, "Hey dude, come to the DA with me so I can beat the brakes off you, expose you as all hat and no cattle, film it, and post it on the BBS." That's probably the only only scenario where you wouldn't pull an Ahhh Haaa and judge the entire film void because Skyyr wasn't properly informed of the circumstances.
All of this "Skyyr has only been flying for _______ months you loosers!" is getting old too. If he/you/you guys haven't been flying that long and don't know the lay of the land, you should probably do more flying and less typing.
:salute
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Just to make things clear, I have attached the lead up to the DA session to this post.
There is no mention or intention of any training in the lead up as I have stated.
(yes this is much shortened to get around the 6000kb limit that wont allow a 5Mb film file upload :rolleyes: )
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I'm not asking for the lead up to DA heh, I am asking for the fights of the "duels". you can put the files in Google drive or drop box..I can set up the account for you if you'd like.
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Set it up. I'll upload the folder containing each and every film.
I expect Skyyr's films will also be uploaded as well to corroborate Skyyrs side, Vraciu and yourself are pushing as all training.
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:)
I'm pretty sure Dolby didn't tell Skyyr, "Hey dude, come to the DA with me so I can beat the brakes off you, expose you as all hat and no cattle, film it, and post it on the BBS." That's probably the only only scenario where you wouldn't pull an Ahhh Haaa and judge the entire film void because Skyyr wasn't properly informed of the circumstances.
All of this "Skyyr has only been flying for _______ months you loosers!" is getting old too. If he/you/you guys haven't been flying that long and don't know the lay of the land, you should probably do more flying and less typing.
:salute
I'm not following the logic of your first paragraph, but again I don't honestly care about the circumstances. I'll let you all figure that stuff out.
As for the 2nd, here's a challenge for you. Take all that skill and experience with AH ...all that ACM over to War Blunder for a month. I'm sure you will do fine, Triton...but as fine as you do here in similar circumstances? After a month I'm willing to bet you will still be doing pretty damn good! But again, as good as you do here?
By the end of the first month, you've worked through most of the low hanging fruit.* Interface differences etc. But flight model changes? "Man, my vaunted B38 just doesn't fly quite right here?" "You mean I have to manually trim?" "My B38 flaps don't deploy at the same speeds nor does it turn / climb / dive the same!" "What the heck is up with the clouds?" What does X do this instead of Y like it does in AH, yada yada yada. You get the picture. Over time you will get it, until you are eventually as good as you are here!
Or, in my case, as bad.... :frown:
Not an excuse, simply a observation based on experience. :) :salute
* Actually this is doubtful given the horror that is War Blunder...but work with me here.... ;)
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I'm not following the logic of your first paragraph, but again I don't honestly care about the circumstances. I'll let you all figure that stuff out.
As for the 2nd, here's a challenge for you. Take all that skill and experience with AH ...all that ACM over to War Blunder for a month. I'm sure you will do fine, Triton...but as fine as you do here in similar circumstances? After a month I'm willing to bet you will still be doing pretty damn good! But again, as good as you do here?
By the end of the first month, you've worked through most of the low hanging fruit.* Interface differences etc. But flight model changes? "Man, my vaunted B38 just doesn't fly quite right here?" "You mean I have to manually trim?" "My B38 flaps don't deploy at the same speeds nor does it turn / climb / dive the same!" "What the heck is up with the clouds?" What does X do this instead of Y like it does in AH, yada yada yada. You get the picture. Over time you will get it, until you are eventually as good as you are here!
Or, in my case, as bad.... :frown:
Not an excuse, simply a observation based on experience. :) :salute
* Actually this is doubtful given the horror that is War Blunder...but work with me here.... ;)
Sure. Makes sense. What doesn't make sense is for all of that to happen and I still come to the War Thunder forum or their global in-game chat and tell everyone how good I am. Unless I just want to look like a fool.
It's not hard. If you like to talk trash then you had better be good at what you're doing or prepared to take the consequences when people find out you're not. There is a third option, but that involves following the path set forth by Midway.
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Sure. Makes sense. What doesn't make sense is for all of that to happen and I still come to the War Thunder forum or their global in-game chat and tell everyone how good I am. Unless I just want to look like a fool.
It's not hard. If you like to talk trash then you had better be good at what you're doing or prepared to take the consequences when people find out you're not. There is a third option, but that involves following the path set forth by Midway.
Who is / What happened to Midway? I only started playing in October of 2013.
Sorry if this is a derail
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I understand you are trying to put across that adapting is difficult, but the fundamentals of BFM and ACM are the same across all the games I have played.
In my experience there isn't too much of a difference between AH and those others out there. The difference in the way the individual aircraft handle can be overcome in a matter of hours.
Skyyr came from Fighter Ace, there are many FA refugees in AcesHigh, and all of them that had the reputation for being good carried it over to AcesHigh.
2 ARS guys spring to mind and one Brit.
These are the games I have collected in the WW2 combat flight sim genre;
AcesHigh
Wings of Prey
IL2 Sturmovik (1946)
IL2 CloD
War Thunder
If I get 100% out of myself in AH, I get 95% out of the others until I adapt within a few hours. Except the gunnery, I've always been poo on the guns :cry
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Who is / What happened to Midway? I only started playing in October of 2013.
Sorry if this is a derail
He got axed for being a troll. A pretty skillful troll, I might add.
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Sure. Makes sense. What doesn't make sense is for all of that to happen and I still come to the War Thunder forum or their global in-game chat and tell everyone how good I am. Unless I just want to look like a fool.
It's not hard. If you like to talk trash then you had better be good at what you're doing or prepared to take the consequences when people find out you're not. There is a third option, but that involves following the path set forth by Midway.
I don't think that is the question here. If this is a witch hunt, then by all means let's call it that and move forward!
We can use this formula:
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/3132664832/hF5973F61/)
We need Skyyr to step on the scale....and can someone find a duck please!
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I understand you are trying to put across that adapting is difficult, but the fundamentals of BFM and ACM are the same across all the games I have played.
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Except the gunnery, I've always been poo on the guns :cry
Agreed with BFM and ACM. And yes I agree, you can pick the rest up but I disagree with the speed to get used to the changes...especially if you only fly two or three rides and want to transition to the new game, but we can agree to disagree. :salute
Same here with the gunnery....AH gunnery is easily the hardest I've encountered for a WWII sim.
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I don't think that is the question here. If this is a witch hunt, then by all means let's call it that and move forward!
We can use this formula:
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/3132664832/hF5973F61/)
We need Skyyr to step on the scale....and can someone find a duck please!
lol... don't strawman this. Skyyr isn't being "hunted" because people don't like the cut of his jib.
How many people with Skyyr level of ability are flying in the MA these days? Just from what I've seen of his flying I'd say many, many dozens. Why aren't there similar threads about them?
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If you only practice dueling then BnZ is not difficult but the reverse is not true.
Now FLS, surely you realize it isn't quite as simple as that. "Saddling up" until the prey go down is by far the easiest way to kill a plane *if* one is flying a plane that actually CAN saddle up and turn with the prey until it goes down in the first place.
If this were not the case then turny fighters slow fighters wouldn't be ever be used in the MA. Killing something you can't possibly turn with in your own plane necessarily involves better planning and far harder gun solutions at worse angle. For instance, in my direct experience, killing a Spit 1v1 is FAR easier in an Fm2 than a P-51.
In real world ACM aren't energy tactics generally considered to be more demanding of experience to pull off? One thinks of the trouble the maneuverable little Mig Frescos gave F4 pilots in Vietnam until they pilots were trained in methods to counter such turn demons.
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Now FLS, surely you realize it isn't quite as simple as that. "Saddling up" until the prey go down is by far the easiest way to kill a plane *if* one is flying a plane that actually CAN saddle up and turn with the prey until it goes down in the first place.
If this were not the case then turny fighters slow fighters wouldn't be ever be used in the MA. Killing something you can't possibly turn with in your own plane necessarily involves better planning and far harder gun solutions at worse angle. For instance, in my direct experience, killing a Spit 1v1 is FAR easier in an Fm2 than a P-51.
In real world ACM aren't energy tactics generally considered to be more demanding of experience to pull off? One thinks of the trouble the maneuverable little Mig Frescos gave F4 pilots in Vietnam until they pilots were trained in methods to counter such turn demons.
I'm with you on this. It took me years how to figure out the prudent way to use the vertical with the g14 - planning is exactly what it takes, and, in order to be able to make an effective plan, you need a feel for the quickest way to get the bird vertical and rolled to the right orientation.
I believe that is also why we call Mr. Spitty "easy mode".
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As for this thread, I'll tell you why by demonstration.
.. as if nobody sees the damn elephant on the couch.
<ahem>
"Hey guys. I spawn-camped and got 104 kills of THE EMMAKNEE last night. I am KING TURD, BEHOLD MY FECAL MAJESTY and WORSHIP MY *GODLIKE* SKILL LEVEL :banana: :banana: :banana:"
Otherwise, I find the whole thing pretty humorous.
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As for this thread, I'll tell you why by demonstration.
.. as if nobody sees the damn elephant on the couch.
<ahem>
"Hey guys. I spawn-camped and got 104 kills of THE EMMAKNEE last night. I am KING TURD, BEHOLD MY FECAL MAJESTY and WORSHIP MY *GODLIKE* SKILL LEVEL :banana: :banana: :banana:"
Otherwise, I find the whole thing pretty humorous.
Yes, bartender! I'll have what he's drinking.
I don't know what thread you are reading but what I see is a clash of egos. The ego attached to the more skilled pilot won.
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Fundamentals of ACM and BFM are the same, as you stated. But I think you are missing the point.
It’s like saying you use ACM/BFM in AH in the same manner as using ACM/BFM in AH Underwater or in AH Space Combat, the physics aren’t the same therefore your MANEUVERING within the limits of physics is not the same (Example: the Energy Egg). Scissors in Air Combat MANUEVERING is completely dependent on physics, you are full of yourself if you think you are going to undo thousands of hours of muscle memory and decision making with the AH physics domain in a few hours after going to another game.
To us it feels like we are flying underwater in this game.
I do not doubt the kills you had were on Skyyr nor do I doubt that the premise of the first few duels (2-3?) were duels. The other 6 duels, especially when he is flying a 109F or E I forget which it was. We never..ever… fly those, unless we are…messing around or training or testing something. I think you took these out of context to try and make yourself feel better? Or prove something to someone else? accentuate the score? You made them public(not that anybody begged you to keep them private) because you think it was going to make us back off?
But the facts are these:
- 2/3s of the duels are probably out of context, jukd t like you quoted me out of context a the end of the vides to his K/D, the post actually said 2-1 KD against the entire AoM squad. You posted it like I said 2/1 KD in general. You should be a politician you spin so good.
- Again considering these films are probably 2 months+ old (Please do correct me if I am wrong as this would make a major premise of my argument invalid and I will GLADLY shut up). It means we were in the very infancy of learning the nuances of the physics of the game.
- You took the opportunity of finding 2 month old film and put them in the context of the recent debate(DeBrody’s post, last week) we are having in the present. Again, trying to validate yourself vs someone who is playing your game differently and obviously making an impact (negative or positive) on people. The worst part is that this person has been playing your game for a fraction of the time you have been playing it. I get it, it would frustrate me too.
There is no point in having Skyyr reply, people here seem not to follow objective logic and would demonize him anyway.
If you are talking about ARS Nish (awesome guy), and Bruv, they know who Shadow/Skyyr was in FA, Bruv might not admit it because he thought himself as better than Shadow/Skyyr (the 3 of us were all in The Damned in FA). No one could deny that Shadow was legend in FA, if they do it’s because they hated him for it. Just as they are beginning to hate him here for starting to establish himself and our squad.
Yep, he is a cocky son-of-a-@#$%h, old habits die hard or not at all in his case, lol. But being confident is part of being an iAce (just as many people are confident here).
I'll set up the account when I get home tonight I'm sending this from my phone.and on a side note I did take a look at your videos on YouTube and I loved the Emil fight in the theme of Kill Bill it was good camera work
Edit: I just realized that I did incorrectly, clump you in with AoM, in my thread on Debrody's post, my apologies lol. So it was 1.9 KD vs the AOM squad I underlined it so you can quote me correctly on your next video :)
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lol... don't strawman this. Skyyr isn't being "hunted" because people don't like the cut of his jib.
How many people with Skyyr level of ability are flying in the MA these days? Just from what I've seen of his flying I'd say many, many dozens. Why aren't there similar threads about them?
Strawman? Not at all! And there have been many witch threads over the years... Too many to count! Some deserved, others maybe not. So why all the fuss? If you or others have an issue take it to the DA or be done with it and zip it. So far in the past few days I've received PMs from some individuals about this subject. One called me a "scumbag" for defending someone they felt was 'of the worse kind“, yet that person hasn't played the game in six months and has never engaged or even met him! Wow... Paging Captain Prejudgement! It's not required.. Take it to the DA or don't and drop it.
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I have always said that AcesHigh feel like flying through soup, (almost like saying underwater). But that has always made AcesHigh very much easier for me over the others, less adjustments and more "feel".
Kruel, also, wasn't it you that added me to the AoM squad list to "fix" a 2:1 K/D.
In that list I show twice, were you not implying a 2:1 K/D, was my quote of a 2:1K/D inaccurate, please explain.
With that in mind, it was you cooking the books as it were.
Fights are from the 25th April 2014. If you believe that a Duel now today would change the results I'm ready for more fights, it's why I fly AcesHigh.
(Kill Emil was a lot of fun to make. The other pilot was a great opponent and one of the wisest sticks around, helping very much with the action. I wish I could go back and remake it, as I have learned a lot since about filming and editing.)
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I can't even get Skyyr to go to the DA with me. :cry
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I think if you aren't going to argue Dolby down in this thread about his "fighting" skills against Skyyr
you should go to the Dueling Arena and attempt to shut Dolby up. Thread just going to keep going on
and on and on. I understand everyone is attempting to defend their squad-mates here. Your squaddie lost,
not much you can do about that except accept it OR you can try and avenge your squaddie but that would
more than likely just end up in more embarrassment.
I have seen The Damned boys around but never really got around to fighting many of them besides Kruel.
Hell, I even gave Kruel some tips when he first come to AH. He is doing better, as I have fought him in his
F4U a few times. Seems humble, this thread is starting to speak louder. Vraciu, I have never even seen
you land kills let alone seen you in the arena. I see you more on the bbs than I do on the game and I have
been flying a lot lately. Skyyr has made a reputation for himself, whether it be good or bad its his fault.
Everyone knows him as AKAK but in a Dora.
I guess all I am trying to say is, shut up or fly? Is that hard? :joystick:
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I will DA anybody, I suck though. :(
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You make a good point, I shall say no more or have this take up anymore of my time.
The Damned know where to find me and the DA is always open.
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Yes, bartender! I'll have what he's drinking.
I don't know what thread you are reading but what I see is a clash of egos. The ego attached to the more skilled pilot won.
I see that as well. My opinion though:the only reason Skyyr draws fire is the banter and trash-talking. He's otherwise no worse, and probably better skill-wise, than many. People generally don't like to lose but it's a hell of a lot easier to swallow if you're not getting your nose rubbed in it. Egos react to egos -and maybe they should.
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I see that as well. My opinion though:the only reason Skyyr draws fire is the banter and trash-talking. He's otherwise no worse, and probably better skill-wise, than many. People generally don't like to lose but it's a hell of a lot easier to swallow if you're not getting your nose rubbed in it. Egos react to egos -and maybe they should.
And I agree with you on this. Maybe I don't get it because I'm more humble than most of the player base. The chest thumping and ego fluffing is why I detuned from 200 in the first place, it just gets old after a while. I wouldn't say that Skyyr is the worst with this (that would probably have to go to Tosh), but a little bit of humility is never a bad thing in anyone and would help make him seem like less of a dick. A lot of players in the game have a ego attached to them and this cases some to get verbal when the lose. I have more respect for the guys that hold their tongue, whether they won or lost, and conduct themselves in a respectable manor. There are also a few other players that fit into this category and a few of them I'm sure most of us are familiar with.
I get PMs from butt hurt players all the time after I kill them but rather than trash talk with them, I just respond with a smiley face and go on about my business.
As for the original video, I think that Skyyr got what was coming to him. Now he seems to have taken the fight to heard because I've heard that he refuses to accept any more DA challenges. It seems to have left a permanent scar on his ego. Don't get me wrong, I think that he's great at BnZ and energy conservation, but ACM wise, he's got a lot to learn. Hell, I've been playing for 5 years and I only recently started getting the hang of it.
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Now FLS, surely you realize it isn't quite as simple as that...
Actually I am positive it is that simple. Either you can win a fair fight against the same aircraft or you can't. Picking the low hanging fruit is also a skill but it won't help you in a fair fight.
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Maybe I don't get it because I'm more humble than most of the player base.
Oh the irony with this statement. :) I've always found you to be a humble and skilled pilot in our few encounters, but I just thought it was funny. My Grandpa once wore a button that said "I'm Humble."
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You make a good point, I shall say no more or have this take up anymore of my time.
;)
The Damned know where to find me and the DA is always open.
:)
Excellent sir. And always happy to have fun in the DA. You can usually find me in the lake swarmed by Rowdy Ones Brewteens at least part of the night. Bring Deadstik! He's always a good chap and fun to smack around...tho’ I admit the last part has become more difficult in recent months due to your teaching. :joystick: :lol :salute
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Strawman? Not at all! And there have been many witch threads over the years... Too many to count! Some deserved, others maybe not. So why all the fuss? If you or others have an issue take it to the DA or be done with it and zip it. So far in the past few days I've received PMs from some individuals about this subject. One called me a "scumbag" for defending someone they felt was 'of the worse kind“, yet that person hasn't played the game in six months and has never engaged or even met him! Wow... Paging Captain Prejudgement! It's not required.. Take it to the DA or don't and drop it.
lol... this thread started because it was taken to the DA.
You're fencing with me because it's your squaddie, and that's commendable and all, but the fact remains that talented pilots who don't talk unwarranted trash don't get threads like this made about them. Mediocre pilots who brag about picking and and being pragmatic do. You know this already.
You have a new responsibility Fulcrum. You must pass on your wisdom in AH matters before your squad mates cross the Rubicon. There is still time if you act quickly.
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Excellent sir. And always happy to have fun in the DA. You can usually find me in the lake swarmed by Rowdy Ones Brewteens at least part of the night. Bring Deadstik! He's always a good chap and fun to smack around...tho’ I admit the last part has become more difficult in recent months due to your teaching. :joystick: :lol :salute
I haven't done any teaching with Dead for a while. I think he has taken the Latrobe approach to learning recently which has helped him. He's even dragged me head long into many cons in a 5k or less Hurri mk1 :eek:
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lol... this thread started because it was taken to the DA.
You're fencing with me because it's your squaddie, and that's commendable and all, but the fact remains that talented pilots who don't talk unwarranted trash don't get threads like this made about them. Mediocre pilots who brag about picking and and being pragmatic do. You know this already.
You have a new responsibility Fulcrum. You must pass on your wisdom in AH matters before your squad mates cross the Rubicon. There is still time if you act quickly.
This thread got started because the OP wants to use someone else, along with some truth fudging, to make a name for himself. :aok
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This thread got started because the OP wants to use someone else, along with some truth fudging, to make a name for himself. :aok
:rofl
Forget Damned; The Deluded
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:rofl
Forget Damned; The Deluded
can we say.......bingo
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As for the original video, I think that Skyyr got what was coming to him. Now he seems to have taken the fight to heard because I've heard that he refuses to accept any more DA challenges.
That's a pity, both for him and for those further down the ladder who could conceivably learn from him.
Contempt prior to investigation damns people to ignorance. Humility allows the owner to concede the point that self-improvement is possible.
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That's a pity, both for him and for those further down the ladder who could conceivably learn from him.
Contempt prior to investigation damns people to ignorance. Humility allows the owner to concede the point that self-improvement is possible.
If your point is to denigrate the guy (Skyyr) you are attacking the wrong person. He has a ton of knowledge that he offers willingly to anyone who asks, spending as much time, and with as much patience necessary, to insure it is learned. Others on here post out of context videos to "prove" their manhood for self-aggrandizement. See the OP for Exhibit A.
Dolby was about to get caught in a lie. He has made an effort to get ahead of it. The groupie cheerleading squad is attempting to diffuse it through volume over substance.
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I have seen The Damned boys around but never really got around to fighting many of them besides Kruel.
Hell, I even gave Kruel some tips when he first come to AH. He is doing better, as I have fought him in his
F4U a few times. Seems humble, this thread is starting to speak louder.
Yeah I fought you in a K4 right?, good fights, TBH that was like the 3rd time I flew the F4(i mainly fly LA7 or Dora, only because i rolled from the CV. I am humble, but I am also a very objective person. I like things to be clear and in-line with the truth. Believe me, if this was legit I wouldn't be speaking.
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This thread got started because the OP wants to use someone else, along with some truth fudging, to make a name for himself. :aok
He "made a name for himself" long before you or your buddy even thought of playing here. He is a very skilled player of this game unlike a few others in this thread. :P But hey keep at it you might convince someone other than your self you have it right.
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He "made a name for himself" long before you or your buddy even thought of playing here. He is a very skilled player of this game unlike a few others in this thread. :P But hey keep at it you might convince someone other than your self you have it right.
He made a name for himself all right. Was mocked and ridiculed repeatedly on country and on 200 to the point he PMed me to ask why. At the time I gave him the benefit of the doubt and tried to reassure him. He even started a thread over it. Boy was I a poor judge of things at the time...
I have it right. I also note that you sh-t on every thread you are in. :aok (People don't like you much better than him, tbqh.)
Too bad this post will get squelched. The truth needs to come out.
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If your point is to denigrate the guy (Skyyr) you are attacking the wrong person. He has a ton of knowledge that he offers willingly to anyone who asks, spending as much time, and with as much patience necessary, to insure it is learned. Others on here post out of context videos to "prove" their manhood for self-aggrandizement. See the OP for Exhibit A.
Dolby was about to get caught in a lie. He has made an effort to get ahead of it. The groupie cheerleading squad is attempting to diffuse it through volume over substance.
No. My point is that, if the statement is true ( he no longer accepts da challenges) then it is a loss to both him and us. I have heard corroboration to your story regarding his helpfulness. I've read, and made use of, at east one of his posts regarding the merge. If the statement regarding da challenges isn't true, either have Skyyr refute it or speak for him now.
As for your second para, please, no more beating around the bush. Explain. Enlighten me. What was the lie to which you allude? Enough of this smokescreen. Just give me some truth. You can pm it if you don't want to state it here.
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No. My point is that, if the statement is true ( he no longer accepts da challenges) then it is a loss to both him and us. I have heard corroboration to your story regarding his helpfulness. I've read, and made use of, at east one of his posts regarding the merge. If the statement regarding da challenges isn't true, either have Skyyr refute it or speak for him now.
As for your second para, please, no more beating around the bush. Explain. Enlighten me. What was the lie to which you allude? Enough of this smokescreen. Just give me some truth.
I see. Got ya. My mistake. :salute :cheers:
I will PM it because it will get Rule 4'ed--again.
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Actually I am positive it is that simple. Either you can win a fair fight against the same aircraft or you can't. Picking the low hanging fruit is also a skill but it won't help you in a fair fight.
Picking unaware bandits at opportunity is clearly not what I was talking about. You deleted the part of my post which would made that quite clear when you quoted me. I am speaking about learning to use energy tactics to kill more maneuverable fighters, which I think is generally quite a bit more difficult than applying angles tactics in aircraft which can match or exceed the maneuvering ability of the bandit.
For example, encountering your typical Spit, N1K, or Corsair pilot 1v1 in the Fm2, it almost feels like I can put my brain in idle and still kill them easily most of the time. In the P-51D, against the same average quality of pilot, it is much, much more complicated, much harder to get a lethal shot in. As a further example, engaging a Brew or Zeke in my Fm2 is always a hairy proposition, one in which I cannot guarantee victory if the opponent manages their throttle and geometry well. Moreover, against my P-51D *most* 190-D9s, which are significantly superior in engine power but significantly inferior in turn, seem to end up dying or bugging. You get my point. I've been doing this since 2006, and experience has convinced me that when two fighter planes go at it, it takes less pilot skill to win in the one that turns better, the "angles fighter", than in the "energy fighter". Especially if said "energy fighter" isn't superior in climb/acceleration performance, but only has a top speed advantage to work with. So I don't quite understand what people mean when they say BNZ/energy fighting is "easy".
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Picking unaware bandits at opportunity is clearly not what I was talking about. You deleted the part of my post which would made that quite clear when you quoted me. I am speaking about learning to use energy tactics to kill more maneuverable fighters, which I think is generally quite a bit more difficult than applying angles tactics in aircraft which can match or exceed the maneuvering ability of the bandit.
For example, encountering your typical Spit, N1K, or Corsair pilot 1v1 in the Fm2, it almost feels like I can put my brain in idle and still kill them most of the time. In the P-51D, against the same average quality of pilot, it is much, much more complicated, much harder to get a lethal shot in. As a further example, engaging a Brew or Zeke in my Fm2 is always a hairy proposition, one in which I cannot guarantee victory if the opponent manages their throttle and geometry well. Moreover, against my P-51D *most* 190-D9s, which are significantly superior in engine power but significantly inferior in turn, seem to end up dying or bugging. You get my point. I've been doing this since 2006, and experience has convinced me that when two fighter planes go at it, it takes less pilot skill to win in the one that turns better, the "angles fighter", than in the "energy fighter". Especially if said "energy fighter" isn't superior in climb/acceleration performance, but only has a top speed advantage to work with. So I don't quite understand what people mean when they say BNZ/energy fighting is "easy".
it is easy because you do not have to worry about getting slow for other cons coming in to pick....you need AIM a fast plane and some SA....
I do agree that it is harder in a 1vs1 for the BnZer against a good turner....
but in the MA...the TnB plane will have the harder time surviving just due to the gang mentality...most TnBers are not fast so they need to fight their way out...
you need AIM...SA....timing....ability to judge the nme's E state....knowledge of ACM and BFM....
while a BnZer can just nose down and run at the first sign he is getting into trouble.
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:rofl
Forget Damned; The Deluded
Dolby, I PMed you the user/pass for the gmail account to upload the films. Once they are uploaded you can make them public and link folks directly to them so they can download em if they so wish.
Vraciu is not far from the truth although it can be expanded upon a little bit.
Once again the Facts:
- We killed you in the MA a few times, probably under "unfair" terms which is the way we like it! :devil I remember that night because I *think* you had recently changed your name to Cargnico from Dolby, and we were wondering who you were because you were flying skillfully.
- On April 25th (which you admitted to in this thread), I believe the same day as the previous fact (not quite 2 months, but about a month and a half ago) You challenged/invited Skyyr to DA to fight Dora Vs Dora (at the time we had been playing for ~4 months), We to this day are still working merges/judging energy states/torque rolls :joystick: ect ect, week by week progress is exponential for us, but I digress. )
- I would say the first 2-3 duels were legit, but the terms/context in which they were had were not the same in the terms as they exist today. By which I mean that before DeBrody's post the animosity level between the involved parties wasn't nearly as high as it is now, in the present, when you posted the film in question. You beat him a few times in the Dora, then proposed to "show" him how the energy tactics in AH in a plane he never flies (109 E or F, I can't recall but its one of those). The important point here is: Skyyr didn't perceive you as an enemy, nor did you perceive him as an enemy. This was more Competitive Curiosity turned "Training". I will bet my last penny that had the circumstances been the same as they were today, you wouldn't be saying it was 0-9, Maybe 0-3 for the Doral duels, it wouldn't have been a deck merge duel(more like 3-5k) and he wouldn't have had done those types of horizontal turns. This is where we have the issue.
- I mistakenly group you with the AoM squad on Debrody's post to prove a point about how Skyyr nearly has twice as many kills on them than they do on him. (removing you from that equation doesn't really change the validity of my statement). In retaliation? For that you post you beat Skyyr 0-9, blatantly and conveniently leaving out the fact that the duels were done nearly 2 months ago, and the context in which the duels took place. Why did you post them to the general public? To show everyone how you beat him, since they don't know the circumstances in which manner you did, to them it becomes the truth, when in reality its not how it went down at all.
Should it be made known to all pilots who would accept training from you to be made aware that you might one day in the distant future use the material from that training to try to discredit them in the future?
I disagree with Vraciu, you already made a name for yourself, everyone knows you are a good pilot. But you dug deep in the bag of half truths and put them together in order to try and place yourself in an even better light with those who would respect you as a pilot. I will always give someone props when deserved, no matter how much I disagree or dislike them, this is not one of those times.
Deluded? Name one point above that is a blatant lie, or half truth as your initiation of this thread was without giving the full story.
I will await the films as you said you would send them. If there is anything else to bring to light (be it if it helps my argument or disproves it) I will report it here.
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it is easy because you do not have to worry about getting slow for other cons coming in to pick....you need AIM a fast plane and some SA....
Unless you are in a 7 ton dump truck, which never seems to hold any of it's E on the pull out.
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it is easy because you do not have to worry about getting slow for other cons coming in to pick....you need AIM a fast plane and some SA....
Spoken as if these last two are not skills that take much time and effort to acquire...
you need AIM...SA....timing....ability to judge the nme's E state....knowledge of ACM and BFM....
I know for a fact that you can make do with less in the way of aim if your plane possesses the ability to "saddle up" for a tracking shot...Zazen (remember him?) once pointed out that gunnery skills were a primary requirement for success in an energy fighter, and that frustration at lack thereof had driven many to stay in turnier fighters.
As for the timing, judgement, knowledge of maneuvers, all of that and more is required if you expect to kill even an average Spit pilot in a P-51 or 190. Whereas winning in the Fm2 or other superior turn fighter quite frankly often seems to take little more than pulling on the pole and managing the throttle.
while a BnZer can just nose down and run at the first sign he is getting into trouble.
In an arena full of high P-51s, 190s, Las etc, this is often NOT the case, and there are always turny planes scavenging what the fast planes run down. Often the best thing a really fast plane can hope for from running is to get the pack down to only one or two fast planes before one has to begin defensive maneuvering. Moreover, this is not real fighting, a situation in which one's top priority is to never die, not even once, thereby making speed king. We can "die" many times in this game and come back for vengeance...we are more concerned with killing than not dying. Therefore, turning ability and the accompanying ease in killing is at least as desirable in this game as the speed to bug out.
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BnZs you are changing the subject and misquoting me and your apparent point is irrelevant to dueling the same aircraft in a fair fight. When you want to compare two pilots ability to dogfight you limit the variables. If the result is 5 - 4 that tells you something. When the result is 9 - 0 that tells you something else.
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BnZs you are changing the subject and misquoting me and your apparent point is irrelevant to dueling the same aircraft in a fair fight. When you want to compare two pilots ability to dogfight you limit the variables. If the result is 5 - 4 that tells you something. When the result is 9 - 0 that tells you something else.
It tells you something within context, sir.
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Well yes, what I'm I'm discussing is indeed tangential to this thread. I was merely questioning this:
If you only practice dueling then BnZ is not difficult but the reverse is not true.
Which I do not find to be true. It believe it eminently possible to be good at the formal matched plane duel but have trouble in dissimilar plane energy fighting or multiple bandit situations, as well as vis versa. For example, early on in my career I joined a good squad, the now defunct ~Air Raiders, and we scrimmaged constantly in the DA. It didn't take much of that practice before I found I would usually win a "fair" similar plane fight against the average pilot encountered one-on-one in the MA. But my dueling skills weren't nearly as useful in other situations, such as many-on-many fights, the sort quick defensive ACM against sudden attack you need in the MA, or most especially when it came to killing more maneuverable fighters with energy tactics. The venerable Zazen also wrote something on that subject once, mentioning a pilot he knew who was brilliant at 1v1 ACM but had real trouble being even average in the chaotic MA, and thus was extremely frustrated. I was something like that pilot Zazen spoke of at this stage of my career, and it was indeed frustrating to get killed when I knew I could have trounced all or most of the bandits in a "fair fight". I think such frustration is behind a lot of the hostility that gets traded on these boards. On a historical note I am reminded of how, IIRC, the best Japanese pilots of WWII were probably without peer in a 1v1 dogfight because that is what there training emphasized. However, they eventually suffered terrible attrition because the American fighter pilots learned to hit and run against the more maneuverable Japanese fighters, and work as a team.
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This thread is a most curious thing.
Obviously he's aware of it, but doesn't comment.
Thingies that make u go hmmmmm.
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BnZs I'm fine with you disagreeing with my opinion however I see nothing in your response that addresses my opinion other than the statement that you disagree.
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You know what Kruel, after reading your "facts", I take exception the insinuation that training with me will lead to humiliation in public. So, you can have Skyyr put his films on that account of yours. If you want to bring anything to light other than your bs, the ball is in his court.
It wasn't strictly just training (as proved by the banter leading up to it) or just Dora's to begin with. I always allow my called out opponent to pick the first aircraft, along with downed man picks next. And as I always have, requested the deck merge guns cold first merge. Something everyone knows that has accepted a call out from me. We ended up in 109s on his request also.
As far as I am concerned they are all legit, the fact I call it the 109s a training of sorts is because I was giving out hints, and he doesn't usually tool around the MA in a 109; I'm extending a courtesy by calling it such.
When I give out tips and hints to someone to beat me/fight better, wouldn't it defeat the point if they suddenly decided not to try and fly for the kill.
I try out different things all the time in duels, what of it? Should I tell the people I have duelled that their victory over me doesn't count because I was trying something different, no of course not, so don't press such a bloody stupid point.
It could be said that in my eyes, I never felt that he was ever trying to kill me with his Dora flying anyway, which is why I started giving away a few hints and telling him of pilots to go for training from.
It became public because of yourself and the cheer leader, I made a training aid, 2 birds 1 film.
If you think a rematch is in order, I accept.
If the result should change, so be it.
I've seen his youtube, should he win, I know it will be on there.
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We to this day are still working merges/judging energy states/torque rolls :joystick: ect ect, week by week progress is exponential for us, but I digress.
Skyyr didn't perceive you as an enemy, nor did you perceive him as an enemy. This was more Competitive Curiosity turned "Training".
For that you post you beat Skyyr 0-9, blatantly and conveniently leaving out the fact that the duels were done nearly 2 months ago, and the context in which the duels took place.
Deluded? Name one point above that is a blatant lie, or half truth as your initiation of this thread was without giving the full story.
Dolby stated clearly in the op "friendly training."
Your claim that context is missing is delusional.
But the real delusion that everyone sees except your squad is evident in your statement...
You think because those duels assumed some kind of "friendliness" that changes the outcome.
Many players in this game fly for the fun of it and don't take it too seriously. Others enjoy impossible odds and willingly take on hopeless situations.
So you can safely assume the majority aren't out their equating death in the game to death in real life like skyy seems to.
The fact is, dolby boasting about duel wins in an assumed "friendly fight" is no lower than skyy claiming god like status for killing a population of people who's top priority isn't "zero death game stats."
As a matter of fact, both are one and the same, only dolby seems to be parodying skyy, your people seem to actually believe perfecting the most timid and skilless style makes you superior.
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Well yes, what I'm I'm discussing is indeed tangential to this thread. I was merely questioning this:
Which I do not find to be true. It believe it eminently possible to be good at the formal matched plane duel but have trouble in dissimilar plane energy fighting or multiple bandit situations, as well as vis versa. For example, early on in my career I joined a good squad, the now defunct ~Air Raiders, and we scrimmaged constantly in the DA. It didn't take much of that practice before I found I would usually win a "fair" similar plane fight against the average pilot encountered one-on-one in the MA. But my dueling skills weren't nearly as useful in other situations, such as many-on-many fights, the sort quick defensive ACM against sudden attack you need in the MA, or most especially when it came to killing more maneuverable fighters with energy tactics. The venerable Zazen also wrote something on that subject once, mentioning a pilot he knew who was brilliant at 1v1 ACM but had real trouble being even average in the chaotic MA, and thus was extremely frustrated. I was something like that pilot Zazen spoke of at this stage of my career, and it was indeed frustrating to get killed when I knew I could have trounced all or most of the bandits in a "fair fight". I think such frustration is behind a lot of the hostility that gets traded on these boards. On a historical note I am reminded of how, IIRC, the best Japanese pilots of WWII were probably without peer in a 1v1 dogfight because that is what there training emphasized. However, they eventually suffered terrible attrition because the American fighter pilots learned to hit and run against the more maneuverable Japanese fighters, and work as a team.
ok I am not gonna argue the point with you....what I am gonna do is point to where in your own words....confirm what I am saying.
BnZ is easier to stay alive ingame and in TRW....that is what I am saying.
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Dude...
your CO got killed in every single fair fight he accepted yet you come here, agressively bragging about Dolby being such a bad guy? Isnt the youtube full of your CO's vids of him being awesome in uneven conditions?
Hypocricy meter is blinking like mofo everywhere you step.
Well i might be a bit rude here:
you dudes know NOTHING about air combat. All you can do is pick then beat your chest. Noone approves this behaviour? Well then everyone sucks! Keep going, vraciu, the ban hammer might be close by.
One more note: while Dolby flyes the E4 very well, he isnt top notch in the D9 as it is not his main ride. Still, he won in 2-3 turns every single time. Furthermore, several 2-3 turns deaths are a clear sign of huge differences in the duelist's skill level, ergo Dolby easily PWNED your CO in "his own ride" every time he couldnt run away. Your fail is awesome :lol
Still trying to spoof the suckage with agressive posts, eh? Go for it!
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You know what Kruel, after reading your "facts", I take exception the insinuation that training with me will lead to humiliation in public. So, you can have Skyyr put his films on that account of yours. If you want to bring anything to light other than your bs, the ball is in his court.
It wasn't strictly just training (as proved by the banter leading up to it) or just Dora's to begin with. I always allow my called out opponent to pick the first aircraft, along with downed man picks next. And as I always have, requested the deck merge guns cold first merge. Something everyone knows that has accepted a call out from me. We ended up in 109s on his request also.
As far as I am concerned they are all legit, the fact I call it the 109s a training of sorts is because I was giving out hints, and he doesn't usually tool around the MA in a 109; I'm extending a courtesy by calling it such.
When I give out tips and hints to someone to beat me/fight better, wouldn't it defeat the point if they suddenly decided not to try and fly for the kill.
I try out different things all the time in duels, what of it? Should I tell the people I have duelled that their victory over me doesn't count because I was trying something different, no of course not, so don't press such a bloody stupid point.
It could be said that in my eyes, I never felt that he was ever trying to kill me with his Dora flying anyway, which is why I started giving away a few hints and telling him of pilots to go for training from.
It became public because of yourself and the cheer leader, I made a training aid, 2 birds 1 film.
If you think a rematch is in order, I accept.
If the result should change, so be it.
I've seen his youtube, should he win, I know it will be on there.
Training aids aren't generally scored.
So the dog ate your films?
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Training aids aren't generally scored.
So the dog ate your films?
:)
An interesting and insightful observation.
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Training aids aren't generally scored.
So the dog ate your films?
The smack talk from Skyyr prior made the duel, me being who I am couldn't help but not help.
Duels I turned into a training aid, because that style of getting shot down I train out of people.
These duels are the best examples I have, and they fix Kruels bad statistics, as I said; 2 birds 1 stone.
It doesn't matter if I produce my films or Skyyr produces his films.
They are proclaiming Skyyr wasn't trying, they can prove it.
Just for his cheer leaders, every time I see Skyyr online, I'll ask him into the DA as chance for him to get even. Can't say fairer than that.
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BnZ is easier to stay alive ingame and in TRW....that is what I am saying.
Ah yes. AH's very own versions of the 'Original Sin'. :lol
So consider the following two scenarios:
1. Sitting off a base on a 3-5K perch in a P47, P51 or Dora waiting on uppers to take off and killing them as they do so, low on E and unable to fight back. As more planes take off the attacker zoom climbs back to his perch to maintain separation and E superiority over the enemy (call this 'vulching').
2. Setting off a base on a 3-5K perch in a 109K or Ki84 watching as uppers lift off and attempt to climb to engage. The attacker kills each in turn as they close, starved of E and helpless. As more planes take off the attacker uses the superior climbing characteristics of his/her plane to maintain separation and E superiority over the enemy (call this 'roping').
Based off these two scenarios, please answer the following questions:
1.) Which is the more effective killing technique? Please explain your reasoning.
2.) Which technique is more fair to the base defenders i. e. Given both attackers start with an advantage, which technique provides the defenders a better chance of neutralizing the advantage.
3.) Which technique provides the attacker the best opportunity to extend and escape as the attackers advantages dwindle (assume the attacker would want to do so).
4.) Which technique requires greater skill of the attacker to maintain his/her advantage? Please explain your reasoning.
5.) Which technique is more 'honorable' to employ and why?
6.) Similar to question 2, but putting yourself in the shoes of the base defenders, which technique will be perceived by the defender as being more fair?
Thanks... I look forward to your answers.
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Ah yes. AH's very own versions of the 'Original Sin'. :lol
So consider the following two scenarios:
1. Sitting off a base on a 3-5K perch in a P47, P51 or Dora waiting on uppers to take off and killing them as they do so, low on E and unable to fight back. As more planes take off the attacker zoom climbs back to his perch to maintain separation and E superiority over the enemy (call this 'vulching').
2. Setting off a base on a 3-5K perch in a 109K or Ki84 watching as uppers lift off and attempt to climb to engage. The attacker kills each in turn as they close, starved of E and helpless. As more planes take off the attacker uses the superior climbing characteristics of his/her plane to maintain separation and E superiority over the enemy (call this 'roping').
Based off these two scenarios, please answer the following questions:
1.) Which is the more effective killing technique? Please explain your reasoning.
2.) Which technique is more fair to the base defenders i. e. Given both attackers start with an advantage, which technique provides the defenders a better chance of neutralizing the advantage.
3.) Which technique provides the attacker the best opportunity to extend and escape as the attackers advantages dwindle (assume the attacker would want to do so).
4.) Which technique requires greater skill of the attacker to maintain his/her advantage? Please explain your reasoning.
5.) Which technique is more 'honorable' to employ and why?
6.) Similar to question 2, but putting yourself in the shoes of the base defenders, which technique will be perceived by the defender as being more fair?
Thanks... I look forward to your answers.
In the context of this thread, I fail to see how any of this is relevant.
I'm not sure the point you are trying to make, Dolby didn't use any of the tactics you stated, he met Skyrr in a co-alt, co-E merge and then repeatedly killed him. :headscratch:
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Fulcrum, Vulching is killing an aircraft with it wheels still on the runway. You're describing cherry picking.
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Okay, I'll be brave and volunteer an answer, since I have approximately zero rep to protect.
Not that I would know, having never engaged in these despicable acts, but, I'd venture that roping is generally more difficult because, while it can be done outside the flak umbrella (the sole offset, in this case), it does allow the enemy some time and latitude. I.e., if the flak umbrella extends to 5k and you wait for uppers to reach that approximate alt before shoving a chunk of exploding steel down their gullets, you've also given then all the opportunities that go with 5k - an alt which can be converted into considerable escape speed or a variety of maneuvers. I'd also say the rope requires more skill in terms of planning, estimation of the enemy's e-state in general cases (doesn't completely obtain in this one, since you could possibly know the entire sortie history for your prospective kill), and maneuver - since the vulch is a fairly simple dive-zoom-repeat with perhaps some high-speed evasive thrown in for the benefit of the flak chuckers.
As for the perception by the enemy, I don't think either is going to be perceived as anything but what it is: a stacked deck - aka, the kind of situation I, er, some awful people, like.
And your point is..?
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Fulcrum, Vulching is killing an aircraft with it wheels still on the runway. You're describing cherry picking.
The term vulching is rather elastic these days, but you are correct. :)
You are also correct it's not relevant to this thread. I'll go post a new one! :old:
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He made a name for himself all right. Was mocked and ridiculed repeatedly on country and on 200 to the point he PMed me to ask why. At the time I gave him the benefit of the doubt and tried to reassure him. He even started a thread over it. Boy was I a poor judge of things at the time...
I have it right. I also note that you sh-t on every thread you are in. :aok (People don't like you much better than him, tbqh.)
Too bad this post will get squelched. The truth needs to come out.
Call it anyway you want. I'd much rather have the name he has made for himself over the years he has been here than the one your making for yourself in the MONTHS you have been here.
As nobody likes me and you have hurt my little feelings I think I will move on.
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http://sockpuppettheatre.com/ (http://sockpuppettheatre.com/)
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I am just an honest seeker of truth and enlightenment, Godzilla-san. :D
Well reasoned response. Thanks!
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Call it anyway you want. I'd much rather have the name he has made for himself over the years he has been here than the one your making for yourself in the MONTHS you have been here.
As nobody likes me and you have hurt my little feelings I think I will move on.
You just pulled the "lesser of 2 evils" card... I don't like that :cry
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Flying like a little girl or vDALLAS - your 15 bucks, but if you dont take off, you surely wont be shot down.
Constant attempts to publically legitimate the timid suckyness - what ever, but allright.
Posing like the kings of AH - well, you might look like an idiot but its still your choice.
But trying to troll, attack or belittle those who fight, also trying to make this duel seem like Dolby was the evil bad willing guy - now youre way off the line.
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but if you dont take off, you surely wont be shot down.
Truer words have never been typed!
By the way...have you done so yet?
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Truer words have never been typed!
By the way...have you done so yet?
Well, Cindy, ask anyone, they might tell you how i was flying. Until then, stop poking Dolby and being in your miserable CO's bottom up to the bone. Cuz it makes you all... smell funny.
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We had a guy like Skyyr in this game once.
His name was MANaWAR. :)
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We had a guy like Skyyr in this game once.
His name was MANaWAR. :)
That is a low, low blow...well below the belt. The comparison, even if performed in jest, is non sequitur and inappropriate. I've never seen Skyyr do more than talk smack. MANaWAR was banned from the game for committing several out of line and vulgar actions.
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THat's terrible. Tell me more. I remember that Klown.
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The smack talk from Skyyr prior made the duel, me being who I am couldn't help but not help.
So, what you are saying here, is that you offered to help during the duel, seems less like a duel after the first 3 and more like you offering your advice for the last 6. In which case the last 6 aren't really duels are they? My case in point is that you are trying to play the honest trainer all the while implying by posting all 9 videos that you owned him....I mean make up your mind.
Quit arguing the FACT, that these duels are old, not in the context that you want to put them in.
Duels I turned into a training aid, because that style of getting shot down I train out of people.
These duels are the best examples I have.
Ohhh, so you weren't telling Skyyr not to go vertical, or discussing E tactics, or yourself trying to "train" him out of it, while shooting him down, then almost 2 months later posting the videos as a declaration of your Dominance. I see now...
and they fix Kruels bad statistics, as I said; 2 birds 1 stone.
It doesn't matter if I produce my films or Skyyr produces his films.
They are proclaiming Skyyr wasn't trying, they can prove it.
Just for his cheer leaders, every time I see Skyyr online, I'll ask him into the DA as chance for him to get even. Can't say fairer than that.
Which statistics are we talking about? Where I said he holds 2:1 vs the AoM squad(still held true at the time even removing you from the equation.) Or the fact that you used film that took place almost 2 months BEFORE I made any statistical claims. You just knew the future man, you probably would've found OJs glove 2 months before he killed Nicole.
No, what I'm saying is that had this fight taken place AFTER we had discussion on the DeBrody's forum post none of this would be in question. Yet you posted old film to try and prove a new point. I don't think even saved his films you still have the originals which I'm still waiting for.
I sent you the credentials for the gmail account as you asked I'm still waiting for the films. Like FLS said, did the dog eat the films?
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ok I am not gonna argue the point with you....what I am gonna do is point to where in your own words....confirm what I am saying.
BnZ is easier to stay alive ingame and in TRW....that is what I am saying.
We are talking about the game. So in this game staying alive is the gold standard of winning and "easy"? Not things like the *ratio* of kills to deaths, the number of kills you get per sortie, the number of kills you get per hour, that sort of thing? :D
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BnZs I'm fine with you disagreeing with my opinion however I see nothing in your response that addresses my opinion other than the statement that you disagree.
Really? There is this:
It believe it eminently possible to be good at the formal matched plane duel but have trouble in dissimilar plane energy fighting or multiple bandit situations, as well as vis versa.
Followed by me citing examples from my own 8 years of experience that seem to back this up. My own experience is that energy fighting is generally harder and that dueling alone does not adequately prepare all of the variables present in the MA. Does your experience conflict with this?
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He probably didn't even save the films because he didn't think that two months later he would have to defend himself against your claims stating that they were all legit duels. That is my point.
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Kruel has a valid point.
We all know that the very best among us don't really try hard to win a duel versus another player unless they know up front that the duels will be filmed for later viewing. It takes that clicky click click click of the film spools spinning to draw that competitive fire out of the very best.
Also, the fact that Skyyr lost badly in angles fighting is no reflection of his awesomeness as a mentor and teacher. As a matter of fact, he's the most awesome teacher that didn't know the flight/drag/energy/planeset model who's ever come to this game.
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He probably didn't even save the films because he didn't think that two months later he would have to defend himself against your claims stating that they were all legit duels. That is my point.
He isn't here defending himself, as usual, his cheer leaders are.
Vraciu quiet catagorically told me he has seen the text lines in the films from Skyyr, so the films must've been in existance when and after I started this thread.
We seem to be going around in circles.
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I disagree with Kruel's point this post was definitely not made to assert his "dominance" Dolby stated earlier in this thread that he posted the vid because of Vraciu's "cheerleading".
He even stated this before this thread was made.
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Ahh Triton, you only serve to solidify my argument.
You are right, we don't have a total understanding of the flight model, which is why Skyyr accepted Dolby's friendly duel/training at THAT point in time. Only to have it surface nearly 2 months later presented AFTER tensions rose between them. Dolby uploaded them at a time when things were not so friendly anymore. (Out of context).
Dolby originally PM'ed me the videos, knowing the time frame and context of when they took place, I really didn't give them that much attention. But after he made them public, to people who don't know the full story, such as yourself, the it becomes a little bit of a fallacy.
You should have left it at:
"Kruel has a valid point'
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You are right, we don't have a total understanding of the flight model, which is why Skyyr accepted Dolby's friendly duel/training at THAT point in time. Only to have it surface nearly 2 months later presented AFTER tensions rose between them. Dolby uploaded them at a time when things were not so friendly anymore. (Out of context).
It wasn't an offer of any training to begin with. Film of the DA challenge has been posted.
I'll have to go back and check but I'm pretty sure after the ease of the 1st round, I questioned his style, to which I was ignored.
Things weren't friendly at the time of the Duel, he was boasting of 3 kills or something when infact he had only scored 1 and assists.
Smack talking his way into the DA after he tried to cherry me off the runway. It was early morning and I bet he thought I would be a walk over.
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He isn't here defending himself, as usual, his cheer leaders are.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Pom_poms_(4760624040).jpg)
Lol... Someone stole one of my poms.
It's typical for both teams to have cheerleader teams present. :rofl
Our human pyramid is better! :banana:
Wow... Triton shaved his legs! :old:
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ok I am not gonna argue the point with you....what I am gonna do is point to where in your own words....confirm what I am saying.
BnZ is easier to stay alive ingame and in TRW....that is what I am saying.
Just checked some stats :D So may I assume you flew the Ki-84 for 100% of your kills last tour because you consider the Hayabusa is inferior as a fighterto things like P-51Ds and Doras and you wanted a challenge?
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You are right we are going around in circles, so end it... upload the films like you said you would.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Pom_poms_(4760624040).jpg)
Lol... Someone stole one of my poms.
It's typical for both teams to have cheerleader teams present. :rofl
Our human pyramid is better! :banana:
Wow... Triton shaved his legs! :old:
I don't see your candy van? Is it parked around the corner? :lol
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I don't see your candy van? Is it parked around the corner? :lol
:lol
Sure is! Looking for some? :rofl
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:lol
Sure is! Looking for some? :rofl
Not for the same reason you are. I just have a sweet tooth.
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According to him, skyr was flying the d9 for a very long time. Considering that, theese 2 months will surely make a drastical difference :rofl
Another one trying to justify the suckage, eh?
squad of compensaters.
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Not for the same reason you are. I just have a sweet tooth.
I thought you wanted it for other reason, Bear. I here it gets lonely up there! :lol
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Don't bite the pink flump :banana:
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I thought you wanted it for other reason, Bear. I here it gets lonely up there! :lol
After what you used it for? BTW, nice sig, but I know you better than that. I'm sure this will trigger another episode of your PM spam. :lol
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According to him, skyr was flying the d9 for a very long time. Considering that, theese 2 months will surely make a drastical difference :rofl
Another one trying to justify the suckage, eh?
squad of compensaters.
That's us! :aok
Hey, you flying yet Deb? Or are these little strolls down memory lane meant to remind you of what you once were? I mean golly, you can't expect to stay on top forever... Everyone crumbles and falls at some point. We all understand. :salute
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After what you used it for? BTW, nice sig, but I know you better than that. I'm sure this will trigger another episode of your PM spam. :lol
:rofl Yep!, probably!
You guys are always enjoyable, and predictable too!
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Ahh Triton, you only serve to solidify my argument.
You are right, we don't have a total understanding of the flight model, which is why Skyyr accepted Dolby's friendly duel/training at THAT point in time. Only to have it surface nearly 2 months later presented AFTER tensions rose between them. Dolby uploaded them at a time when things were not so friendly anymore. (Out of context).
Dolby originally PM'ed me the videos, knowing the time frame and context of when they took place, I really didn't give them that much attention. But after he made them public, to people who don't know the full story, such as yourself, the it becomes a little bit of a fallacy.
You should have left it at:
"Kruel has a valid point'
Oh ok. I get it. Skyyr holds a 2:1 ratio over AoM (including Dolby and Copprhead) in the MA (where every engagement is on equal terms... lol) and the numbers don't lie.
Dolby turns Skyyr into a teaching aide of what not to do in a 1v1 and suddenly the numbers are lying because the duel took place before Skyyr knew that so many are hunting him as a "witch".
There's one thing we need to get straight. Are you guys God's gift to online combat flight simulation or are you noobs who barely know what you're doing? I can kick it through either goal post, but you gotta stop moving them around bro.
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:rofl Yep!, probably!
You guys are always enjoyable, and predictable too!
Can't be that enjoyable, your PM's sound like a little girl crying, but they are fun. ;)
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Just checked some stats :D So may I assume you flew the Ki-84 for 100% of your kills last tour because you consider the Hayabusa is inferior as a fighterto things like P-51Ds and Doras and you wanted a challenge?
I fly the Ki because she is a beast and takes a beating....it is great for lasting against the hoard. :aok
and it is far above the 51 and Dora as "fighters" :rolleyes:
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and it is far above the 51 and Dora as "fighters" :rolleyes:
I'm going to have to correct you here, it is far below the 51 and Dora... because it's trying to climb up them :banana:
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Hey, you flying yet Deb? Or are these little strolls down memory lane meant to remind you of what you once were? I mean golly, you can't expect to stay on top forever... Everyone crumbles and falls at some point. We all understand.
You wanna confuse me with that? rofl.
To fall, you have to rise first. Good luck with the first step.
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I'm going to have to correct you here, it is far below the 51 and Dora... because it's trying to climb up them :banana:
:rofl
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Can't be that enjoyable, your PM's sound like a little girl crying, but they are fun. ;)
I'm sure they are for you. :lol
Stay sweet, Beary poo! *smooch* Say hi to the gang for me! :rofl
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You wanna confuse me with that? rofl.
To fall, you have to rise first. Good luck with the first step.
Its OK, Deb. We all understand. Keep on touch... Let us know when you feel up to coming back. We miss you!
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Cuz i am...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8U8gjFx9Vk
The perfect gentlemen might get their deserved present soon enough.
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Dolby, did you upload the films yet? There are several side conversations going on, are you going to upload them or not? Let's stop going in circles as you said.
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I'm sure they are for you. :lol
Stay sweet, Beary poo! *smooch* Say hi to the gang for me! :rofl
ok cupcake. I should apologize for the girl comment. Pepper would take that as an insult to women. ;)
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Stay on topic guys :), we are waiting for Dolby to post the films.
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Stay on topic guys :), we are waiting for Dolby to post the films.
He did it with the OP. Any more questions?
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Topic was Dolby smacking, er Vs Skyrr and that film was in the first post.
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I fly the Ki because she is a beast and takes a beating....it is great for lasting against the hoard. :aok
and it is far above the 51 and Dora as "fighters" :rolleyes:
Oh, so it is a *superior* fighter aircraft, one might even say *easier* to win an engagement with than a Pony or Dora, due to superior climb and turn?
You can't have it both ways, simultaneously claiming that your beloved Hayabusa is a superior fighter and then claiming it takes less skill to employ a P-51, Dora, or other unmaneuverable fast plane as a fighter. The two ideas are mutually exclusive.
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Will the film change the numbers? Film doesn't have the power, does it? :headscratch:
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Correction: out of context, video with out chat logs in the first post, I am still waiting for the AH film file that Dolby so graciously said he would upload for me, I'm still waiting...
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Will the film change the numbers? Film doesn't have the power, does it? :headscratch:
Nope it won't change the numbers but it will give insight to the context of the duels, I can use them as "training aids". Please upload, thanks.
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I expect Skyyr's films will also be uploaded as well to corroborate Skyyrs side, Vraciu and yourself are pushing as all training.
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I'm going to have to correct you here, it is far below the 51 and Dora... because it's trying to climb up them :banana:
Actually Ink's typical modus operandi from what I've seen is to come in high on the furball and use the Ki's formidable climb to stay just out of reach of the bandit cloud, and that plane's formidable turn to seal the kill on anything foolish enough to lose speed trying to climb/maneuver with the Ki. I can hardly blame him for it, it is the smart way to fly and does require skill. IMO, no more skill than it takes to energy checkmate the average Spit pilot 1v1 while flying a P-51 or the like, but who can say? Flying what amounts to a Japanese Spixteen to it's strengths though, I don't think that qualifies one for any sort of pedestal upon which to stand.
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Really? There is this:
Followed by me citing examples from my own 8 years of experience that seem to back this up. My own experience is that energy fighting is generally harder and that dueling alone does not adequately prepare all of the variables present in the MA. Does your experience conflict with this?
You are comparing dueling to flying in the MA. I was talking about learning ACM. Energy fighting is a part of ACM. Duels can be energy fights, the difference being you start equal and work for the advantage.
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Stay on topic guys :), we are waiting for Dolby to post the films.
Its OK Kruel. I was just reminiscing with old friends to pass the time while we wait!
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Nope it won't change the numbers but it will give insight to the context of the duels, I can use them as "training aids". Please upload, thanks.
Can we have film of Skyyr applying his pwnage to us so we can see the context of his victories? We like to train to.
Thanks.
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Actually Ink's typical modus operandi from what I've seen is to come in high on the furball and use the Ki's formidable climb to stay just out of reach of the bandit cloud, and that plane's formidable turn to seal the kill on anything foolish enough to lose speed trying to climb/maneuver with the Ki. I can hardly blame him for it, it is the smart way to fly and does require skill. IMO, no more skill than it takes to energy checkmate the average Spit pilot 1v1 while flying a P-51 or the like, but who can say? Flying what amounts to a Japanese Spixteen to it's strengths though, I don't think that qualifies one for any sort of pedestal upon which to stand.
You should take him to the DA and test your theory. Having fought him hundreds of times I can pretty well predict the outcome.
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Oh, so it is a *superior* fighter aircraft, one might even say *easier* to win an engagement with than a Pony or Dora, due to superior climb and turn?
You can't have it both ways, simultaneously claiming that your beloved Hayabusa is a superior fighter and then claiming it takes less skill to employ a P-51, Dora, or other unmaneuverable fast plane as a fighter. The two ideas are mutually exclusive.
do you seriously think about what you type :headscratch:
here ill lay it out for you nice and easy.....
"tactics" and "plane ability" are what.....can you even think of what they are?????
2 entirely different subjects.... :rolleyes:
for you to seriously think BnZ is harder to accomplish in the MA then you need a serious game check....I would say reality check....but it is a game we are talking about after all....
and if BnZ were so much Harder to do...the whole of the MA would be fighters in turny birds....
but yet what we see is a huge over abundance of BnZers flying around staying out of the fight picking those already engaged. (thats not to say there are NOT those that fight in those type planes because yes there are some that fight even in the Dora or 51)
Higheye for example....he is one fighting MFer...
he tries to fight in that 51 and I give him major props for it.....I am not sure he has ever gotten me 1vs1....but that is because the KI's performance as a FIGHTER is better then the 51s as a fighter.
he could easily get away and run to safety if he wanted to....
what a minute...I just realized your name is BnZ....
no wonder you are trying to say it is more difficult :rofl
here is a clue that will help in game and in life in general....
just because you "think" something is true don't make it so.
and no matter how much you want me to believe your crap sandwich is roast beef....
the fact remains the same...it is a crap sandwich.
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Actually Ink's typical modus operandi from what I've seen is to come in high on the furball and use the Ki's formidable climb to stay just out of reach of the bandit cloud, and that plane's formidable turn to seal the kill on anything foolish enough to lose speed trying to climb/maneuver with the Ki. I can hardly blame him for it, it is the smart way to fly and does require skill. IMO, no more skill than it takes to energy checkmate the average Spit pilot 1v1 while flying a P-51 or the like, but who can say? Flying what amounts to a Japanese Spixteen to it's strengths though, I don't think that qualifies one for any sort of pedestal upon which to stand.
lol
well you are "almost" right
I come in high to the enemy and fight them....I don't go to "furballs"
if you know me so well you would know I hate flying around green guys...
and if you want to check out stats....count my assists to kills against anyone else's
I will bet money 99.99% of people have a far higher assists ratio then I will.
can you even understand what that means :headscratch:
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His name is B&Zs. What did you expect Ink? :)
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His name is B&Zs. What did you expect Ink? :)
haha I realized that half way through my response. :o
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You should take him to the DA and test your theory. Having fought him hundreds of times I can pretty well predict the outcome.
I should take him to the DA to test my "theory" (actually observed fact) that when flying in the Main Arena he frequently brings his Ki-84 in just above the furball and use it's strong climbing ability to suck the energy out of suckers before using it's strong turning ability to kill them (not that there is anything wrong with that)? Tell me, exactly how would that prove or disprove my statement?
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Why so serious?
I think I stated this before, ... But I will again. If you have a problem with Skyyr then take it to the DA. The DA is that way, as you guys say, right?
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Why would you need to have this corroborated? Doesn't your film show both view points anyway? Didn't I say 3 of the duels were legit? Are you afraid to upload the original AH film?
This is your chance to show the context of the film doesn't matter, please shut me up, I will make sure no other Damned member ever questions these films or their context again. I will be damned sure to let Skyyr hear it as well.
You have the credentials to the account...I am waiting.
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Why so serious?
I think I stated this before, ... But I will again. If you have a problem with Skyyr then take it to the DA. The DA is that way, as you guys say, right?
They're saying he won't go now. :cry
Dolby rurnt it for us. :cry
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I should take him to the DA to test my "theory" (actually observed fact) that when flying in the Main Arena he frequently brings his Ki-84 in just above the furball and use it's strong climbing ability to suck the energy out of suckers before using it's strong turning ability to kill them (not that there is anything wrong with that)? Tell me, exactly how would that prove or disprove my statement?
You implied he wasn't that good a pilot, "I don't think that qualifies one for any sort of pedestal upon which to stand." In the MA he doesn't run from a fight or HO everyone like 99% of the P51 and Dora pilots in the MA do now. He'll fight numerous cons at the same time and usually win.
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Guys take this to PMs or general, this is about films and screenshots.
Speaking of which, Dolby got those AH films yet buddy? We are waiting, they will be made public so everyone can discuss the contents.
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They're saying he won't go now. :cry
Dolby rurnt it for us. :cry
Did YOU ask?
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You implied he wasn't that good a pilot, "I don't think that qualifies one for any sort of pedestal upon which to stand." In the MA he doesn't run from a fight or HO everyone like 99% of the P51 and Dora pilots in the MA do now. He'll fight numerous cons at the same time and usually win.
Please post the film of Ink fighting as you describe. After I interrogate the film, I will retrieve Ink's numbers and ascertain as to whether the film and the numbers are truthful, or if one or the other is in fact, lying.*
*note - Results are fixed to my predisposition. Only time spent doing mental gymnastics to justify my conclusion will vary.
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I don't think he did, but I am asking for films! Should show 9 fights, beautiful, glorious films that Dolby promised to upload for me.
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Please post the film of Ink fighting as you describe. After I interrogate the film, I will retrieve Ink's numbers and ascertain as to whether the film and the numbers are truthful, or if one or the other is in fact, lying.*
*note - Results are fixed to my predisposition. Only time spent doing mental gymnastics to justify my conclusion will vary.
I may be able to help you out with this! :old:
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Guys take this to PMs or general, this is about films and screenshots.
Speaking of which, Dolby got those AH films yet buddy? We are waiting, they will be made public so everyone can discuss the contents.
What exactly do you think people will discuss? The butt kicking is in the first post, no one's going to care about excuses. I'm jealous Dolby got him to actually duel. He wouldn't even get in a plane when we went there.
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As someone with no vested interest in the outcome of this thread, I for one don't need to see any more film. It's quite apparent to me who was better in the duel. IMO all fights were lost at the merge, regardless of plane. Kruel, I have heard several statements ie: "He doesn't fly that way.", "It was training." "Post the raw AH film showing it was training." "The Physics are different in this game than in the last game we flew." "The films posted were from two months ago."
Quite frankly, after 13 or so pages, everything starts to sound like an excuse. I believe that you have done nothing to improve Skyyr's reputation amongst the followers of this thread, only probably damaged it.
Having flown against Dolby, I have to say hes an excellent fight, any alt, any E state, any amount of enemy, he'll fight. Skyyr not so much!
<S>
Carer
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Did YOU ask?
I haven't yet, no.
Tell ya what. If Skyyr makes a special exception just for me I'll go, but you're gonna be my secretary and fill out all the forms that Kruel would no doubt require to be filled out.
I refuse to go to the DA without proper context. :old:
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Please post the film of Ink fighting as you describe. After I interrogate the film, I will retrieve Ink's numbers and ascertain as to whether the film and the numbers are truthful, or if one or the other is in fact, lying.*
*note - Results are fixed to my predisposition. Only time spent doing mental gymnastics to justify my conclusion will vary.
Immitation is a form of flattery, thanks, even if it was satirical.
The nice thing about truth is that it can be proven to be absolute, no amount of mental gymnastics, or predispositions can change the absolute truth.
Party of that truth is that Dolby DID kill Skyyr in the video, but it is not the WHOLE truth.
The film holds the whole truth, if I am wrong I will apologize to everyone, Dolby, already said that he would upload the film, I am just waiting.
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You implied he wasn't that good a pilot, "I don't think that qualifies one for any sort of pedestal upon which to stand." In the MA he doesn't run from a fight or HO everyone like 99% of the P51 and Dora pilots in the MA do now. He'll fight numerous cons at the same time and usually win.
I can see why you'd write that, but I don't think anyone is questioning Ink's ability or his guts. I think BnZs is simply stating that everyone in the MA, yes, even pilots who stand on their honor, seek to have an advantage at the outset. To fail to do so would be kind of silly. We know that Skyyr does this as well.
This brings me back to the main point of differentiation, and the thing that might just be biting the man: not everyone self-promotes about it.
Frankly, I think all this heat is a sign of life in a game that, sadly, appears to be dying.
I also take BnZs point about energy fighting - and let's make a clear distinction between that and boom and zooming.
Consider the following case: Pilot A in a Dora versus Pilot B in a Spit, any Mark... at Co-E. Who wins, if Pilot A and Pilot B are of equal ability?
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Immitation is a form of flattery, thanks, even if it was satirical.
The nice thing about truth is that it can be proven to be absolute, no amount of mental gymnastics, or predispositions can change the absolute truth.
Party of that truth is that Dolby DID kill Skyyr in the video, but it is not the WHOLE truth.
The film holds the whole truth, if I am wrong I will apologize to everyone, Dolby, already said that he would upload the film, I am just waiting.
See, what you don't understand about this community? The results are all that matter, period. If you guys were smart you should have just let it lie. Somehow I don't think that will happen.
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Immitation is a form of flattery, thanks, even if it was satirical.
The nice thing about truth is that it can be proven to be absolute, no amount of mental gymnastics, or predispositions can change the absolute truth.
Party of that truth is that Dolby DID kill Skyyr in the video, but it is not the WHOLE truth.
The film holds the whole truth, if I am wrong I will apologize to everyone, Dolby, already said that he would upload the film, I am just waiting.
So film holds the whole truth in Dolby v. Skyyr, but raw numbers from HTC's website are all that's needed to obtain whole truth status in AoM and Friends v. Skyyr?
Just what is your official stance on numbers and their truth telling?
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for you to seriously think BnZ is harder to accomplish in the MA then you need a serious game check....I would say reality check....but it is a game we are talking about after all....
and if BnZ were so much Harder to do...the whole of the MA would be fighters in turny birds....
The two most commonly flown aircraft in the MA are the P-51 (a boom and zoomer to be sure) and various marks of Spitfires, which is to say, turny birds :D Other turny-birds which enjoy great popularity include N1Ks, Brews, and Hurris. Now we both know that people will naturally gravitate to planes that are easy for them to be effective in. If turning ability is not advantageous, how do turny birds manage to stay so popular, especially with newer pilots who need all the help they can get?
but yet what we see is a huge over abundance of BnZers flying around staying out of the fight picking those already engaged. (thats not to say there are NOT those that fight in those type planes because yes there are some that fight even in the Dora or 51)
Actually pickers fly the gamut of planes. Especially common is turny-birds following fast friendly planes about to make an easy kill of fast but poor-turning planes the friendlies chase down. Well, damn them I say, damn them for not realizing the rule of the MA is when five friendly pilots meet five enemy pilots they should all square off into five individual duels. Wait...that's not a rule in the MA at all, and when I suggested it be made one, literally no one voted in favor of it. :devil
he tries to fight in that 51 and I give him major props for it.....I am not sure he has ever gotten me 1vs1....but that is because the KI's performance as a FIGHTER is better then the 51s as a fighter.
he could easily get away and run to safety if he wanted to....
So the performance of the KI is better as a fighter, but the P-51 is easier to fly as a fighter? Dear Ink, please choose one. The cognitive dissonance is grating.
You commend him for dying to you instead of extending when you kill him in plane with all the advantages in a dogfight? You giving, noble soul you. I also suggested that "no running" be made a rule, and that was voted down by the community as well. Yet half the community claims about running constantly...it's a bit schizophrenic. *Shrug*
here is a clue that will help in game and in life in general....
just because you "think" something is true don't make it so.
and no matter how much you want me to believe your crap sandwich is roast beef....
the fact remains the same...it is a crap sandwich.
This is the sort of advice you could have used when you were telling me once, with absolutely conviction, that a P-51 pulling 6gs at 300mph would out-turn other planes pulling 6gs at 300mph. A third party had to inform you that unfortunately this violated the laws of physics. But how certain you were of your rightness! :) As certain as you seem now that flying an "energy fighter" is far and away easier than flying an "angles" fighter, in spite of the popularity of flying "angles" fighters in the MA. I guess those all those guys in Spits, N1Ks, and Brews found P-51s too easy and switched for the challenge of it, not because it helped them get kills in any way..
lol
well you are "almost" right
I come in high to the enemy and fight them....I don't go to "furballs"
if you know me so well you would know I hate flying around green guys...
and if you want to check out stats....
So you DO fly a plane that is fairly strong (if under-rated by most) to its strengths (not that there is anything wrong with that)? Good, glad we could establish that. Now, my own statistics for last tour indicate that my k/d ratio in the P-51D, the quintessential boom and zoomer, is almost exactly the same as my k/d ratio in the Fm2, the quintessential turny-bird. Same pilot, same objective (kill some bad guys), completely opposite ends of the performance spectrum, yet the same essential results. How is this possible, if the P-51D is massively easier to get kills in? You'll have to take my word on it that I didn't deliberately pork my P-51D results in order to make a point in a debate which I didn't know I was going to be in. :D
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You implied he wasn't that good a pilot, "I don't think that qualifies one for any sort of pedestal upon which to stand." In the MA he doesn't run from a fight or HO everyone like 99% of the P51 and Dora pilots in the MA do now. He'll fight numerous cons at the same time and usually win.
I absolutely do not imply he is a bad pilot. I think he is a very good pilot who commonly flies a very good plane to its strengths. The last part is what deprives him of any grounds upon which to look down on other player's plane choice or tactics.
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What exactly do you think people will discuss? The butt kicking is in the first post, no one's going to care about excuses. I'm jealous Dolby got him to actually duel. He wouldn't even get in a plane when we went there.
You mean you actually showed up? How odd... He claimed you wouldn't agree to fight. Hmm.
We can fight in if you like! Happy to do so. I'm sure you can crush me like a bug in your Bearpaw but I'm happy to try to oblige you. Once. Again.
I understand if you don't want to fight a guy with, what was it? , Ah yes... Nuts as small as marbles?
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I absolutely do not imply he is a bad pilot. I think he is a very good pilot who commonly flies a very good plane to its strengths. The last part is what deprives him of any grounds upon which to look down on other player's plane choice or tactics.
Isn't that exactly what you're doing?
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I haven't yet, no.
Tell ya what. If Skyyr makes a special exception just for me I'll go, but you're gonna be my secretary and fill out all the forms that Kruel would no doubt require to be filled out.
I refuse to go to the DA without proper context. :old:
Lol, the difference here is that we already know we don't like other here, the context was set AFTER Debrody's post, both players involved know what's up. It's fair game.
I love how you are generalizing this specific instance, as if it had been this way forever. I have 20 or so total posts in 6 months, most of them here in this thread and in Debrody's post, you see, even here the numbers don't lie. I operate within the confines of the truth, I need to see the films to know the whole truth,
Dolby, I am still waiting..it's starting to feel like you don't want to upload them now?
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I should take him to the DA to test my "theory" (actually observed fact) that when flying in the Main Arena he frequently brings his Ki-84 in just above the furball and use it's strong climbing ability to suck the energy out of suckers before using it's strong turning ability to kill them (not that there is anything wrong with that)? Tell me, exactly how would that prove or disprove my statement?
your whole assumption of me going to "furballs" as the "way" I fly is erroneous.
thats not to say I haven't done that, if that is the only place for red guys...and I cant switch because some stupid rule....then yup you got me I go to the "furball"
the "way" I fly is to attack the nme...NOT a furball....
I avoid green guys as much as I can...and have been doing so for years....
10 years actually...and with around 50-70 sorties in bombers/GVs in those 10 years, and flying in Fighter mode only.....for most of that time....
I think I know what is easy or not as far as fighters go in the MA.
so please give it a rest, you really should know what you are talking about before you spend your 2$
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So film holds the whole truth in Dolby v. Skyyr, but raw numbers from HTC's website are all that's needed to obtain whole truth status in AoM and Friends v. Skyyr?
Just what is your official stance on numbers and their truth telling?
We can discuss this in another thread or pms, this is about film, film that Dolby promised to upload.
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You mean you actually showed up? How odd... He claimed you wouldn't agree to fight. Hmm.
We can fight in if you like! Happy to do so. I'm sure you can crush me like a bug in your Bearpaw but I'm happy to try to oblige you. Once. Again.
I understand if you don't want to fight a guy with, what was it? , Ah yes... Nuts as small as marbles?
Well, he claims he saved the film. I flew out from 23 to the middle and when he realized the fight wouldn't be at 5000 feet he refused and left and never even got in a plane. Marbles, yes I was being gracious. See me on just PM me, you know how to do that from experience.
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Kruel, you're taking fencing lessons from Fulcrum, aren't you? :P
What is your official stance on numbers and how much truth they contain in a dynamic open world sandbox video game?
Then tell us your opinion of the weight of numbers in a more static environment where certain variables are agreed upon and adhered to.
I await your reply.
:salute
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Well, he claims he saved the film. I flew out from 23 to the middle and when he realized the fight wouldn't be at 5000 feet he refused and left and never even got in a plane. Marbles, yes I was being gracious. See me on just PM me, you know how to do that from experience.
Given this is the third attempt by me to set this up, you PM me when you have time and feel up to it. I wouldn't want to bother you with any further PMs on the subject.
I should be on Thursday or Friday evenings this week.
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Isn't that exactly what you're doing?
No. I am demonstrating the hypocrisy and inaccuracies common in the Aces High community and making fun of those things. I'm not mocking any humans on the basis of how they play the game. All's fair.
EDIT: I will give you an example of what I'm talking about. I find that when I encounter the typical MA pilot in a Spit of some sort while flying an Fm2, it usually goes like this: I avoid the HO, apply simple angles tactics, real them in when they attempt to turn with me, and shoot them to pieces with simple close range tracking shots. Very little in the way of thinking or gunnery is required in most cases. And they aren't too hard to avoid and reverse in an Fm2 if I see them diving in with advantage and have a bit of energy left. Seem reasonable?
When I encounter the same average level of Spit pilot while flying a P-51D, I typically (if I want a better than even chance of winning) have to have a higher E state. I have to continuously judge whether I have enough energy at any given moment to pull a vertical maneuver against their horizontal evasive and out-zoom them if they follow me. I have to pull maneuvers which are more complex than simple in-plane turns to remain behind their 3-9 line, carefully balance the need to be slow enough to take a shot against the need to maintain an E overhead, and I have to deal with worse gun solutions, lower percentage snapshots, because I cannot simply follow the bandit around and around in a circle nailing him. And if the Spit pilot is of approximately the same skill level as me, he'll manage to reverse the advantage force extension or death about half the time, I'd say. Moreover, if I encounter this same Spit co-alt co-e in a Mustang, I have no real performance advantage to use and it doesn't really take high level skill for him to beat. If a Spit is diving on my Mustang from above with energy, I'm going to have a much harder time avoiding him in a P-51D than in an Fm2. Again, does all of this seem reasonable?
Yet, over and over again on this board, I hear bnz/energy planes and tactics called "easy mode" and turn-and-burn planes and tactics called "hard". My own experience with both sides of the coin causes me to question this. Make sense?
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Kruel, you're taking fencing lessons from Fulcrum, aren't you? :P
What is your official stance on numbers and how much truth they contain in a dynamic open world sandbox video game?
Then tell us your opinion of the weight of numbers in a more static environment where certain variables are agreed upon and adhered to.
I await your reply.
:salute
I am fine on my own, just met Fulcrum a few weeks ago. Again, we can discuss this somewhere else, this is Films and screenshots, waiting on Dolby to upload the films he said he would.
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I am fine on my own, just met Fulcrum a few weeks ago. Again, we can discuss this somewhere else, this is Films and screenshots, waiting on Dolby to upload th offset films
lol
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lol
I'm starting to lol as well! This lack of uploaded films is becoming suspect.
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Given this is the third attempt by me to set this up, you PM me when you have time and feel up to it. I wouldn't want to bother you with any further PMs on the subject.
I should be on Thursday or Friday evenings this week.
No you never tried to set anything up, you just said you would and dropped it. Friday's good for me. That'll give you a couple days to work on your head.
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I'm starting to lol as well! This lack of uploaded films is becoming suspect.
Yep. Because Dolby not being johnny on your film spot is the most hilarious revelation in this thread. :)
See ya in the MA dude. Make sure to track the numbers!
:salute
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No you never tried to set anything up, you just said you would and dropped it. Friday's good for me. That'll give you a couple days to work on your head.
Dolby said he would upload films to a Gmail account I set up, I think he dropped it or his dog ate the films. Still waiting.
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Nooo my phone is dying, I hope I don't miss when Dolby uploads the films he said he would.
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The two most commonly flown aircraft in the MA are the P-51 (a boom and zoomer to be sure) and various marks of Spitfires, which is to say, turny birds :D Other turny-birds which enjoy great popularity include N1Ks, Brews, and Hurris. Now we both know that people will naturally gravitate to planes that are easy for them to be effective in. If turning ability is not advantageous, how do turny birds manage to stay so popular, especially with newer pilots who need all the help they can get?
Actually pickers fly the gamut of planes. Especially common is turny-birds following fast friendly planes about to make an easy kill of fast but poor-turning planes the friendlies chase down. Well, damn them I say, damn them for not realizing the rule of the MA is when five friendly pilots meet five enemy pilots they should all square off into five individual duels. Wait...that's not a rule in the MA at all, and when I suggested it be made one, literally no one voted in favor of it. :devil
So the performance of the KI is better as a fighter, but the P-51 is easier to fly as a fighter? Dear Ink, please choose one. The cognitive dissonance is grating.
You commend him for dying to you instead of extending when you kill him in plane with all the advantages in a dogfight? You giving, noble soul you. I also suggested that "no running" be made a rule, and that was voted down by the community as well. Yet half the community claims about running constantly...it's a bit schizophrenic. *Shrug*
This is the sort of advice you could have used when you were telling me once, with absolutely conviction, that a P-51 pulling 6gs at 300mph would out-turn other planes pulling 6gs at 300mph. A third party had to inform you that unfortunately this violated the laws of physics. But how certain you were of your rightness! :) As certain as you seem now that flying an "energy fighter" is far and away easier than flying an "angles" fighter, in spite of the popularity of flying "angles" fighters in the MA. I guess those all those guys in Spits, N1Ks, and Brews found P-51s too easy and switched for the challenge of it, not because it helped them get kills in any way..
So you DO fly a plane that is fairly strong (if under-rated by most) to its strengths (not that there is anything wrong with that)? Good, glad we could establish that. Now, my own statistics for last tour indicate that my k/d ratio in the P-51D, the quintessential boom and zoomer, is almost exactly the same as my k/d ratio in the Fm2, the quintessential turny-bird. Same pilot, same objective (kill some bad guys), completely opposite ends of the performance spectrum, yet the same essential results. How is this possible, if the P-51D is massively easier to get kills in? You'll have to take my word on it that I didn't deliberately pork my P-51D results in order to make a point in a debate which I didn't know I was going to be in. :D
ok.....
I will continue this with you just because you are alright...and not normally an idiot.
im just gonna respond to the pertinent parts
A...Spits are BOTH TnBers and BnZers.
B....the N1k has massive cannons and LOTS of them...(nope they wont be popular)
C....Hurri2C massive fire power coupled with GREAT turning ability make it a formidable plane....that most can just fly away from....(on the Hurri2C if you know me...you know that was my plane for many years long before the KI..I still have many more kills in the Hurri2 then I have in the Ki)
D.....EDIT....
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I wonder how many times I have been called a cheater....
to say 100 times is a very conservative number....I would say 100's of times....I have gotten THOUSANDS of complements on how I fight....but yet I have died over 14,000 times.....
why is that?
my hit % at best is around 6 and normal is 4-5%
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wait wait wait......
I just got a thought.....
maybe we are not reading what each others is saying...
this is my stance/believe/thoughts on BnZ vs TnB
it is "easier" to stay alive in the BnZ role....but no I don't believe it is inherently "easier" to get kills in the BnZ roll....
in the right plane I would say it is easier to "kill" in the TnB roll.
to get Killz in the BnZ roll you must have good Aim...good timing....good SA
to get killz in the TnB roll you dont need good AIM (I am a perfect example)
to stay "alive" in the BnZ roll you must stay fast....hit fast.....don't commit....
but NONE of this matters....
because all you have to do is fly around a bunch of green guys and fly a early war plane and think you are awesome because you fly the P40
or you can fly around in a 190(insert other top speed demon) at top speed picking ones already engaged and think you are awesome because you stay "alive"
or you can fight All comers.....All fights(no matter what you are flying) and be known as a fighter.
what are you?
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No you never tried to set anything up, you just said you would and dropped it. Friday's good for me. That'll give you a couple days to work on your head.
Thats incorrect, but why quibble? I look forward to my drubbing! I have no need to work on my head. It's just a game after all!
See you in that virtual blue sky!
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Thats incorrect, but why quibble? I look forward to my drubbing! I have no need to work on my head. It's just a game after all!
See you in that virtual blue sky!
Now that I think of it your right, you kept quitting and disappearing. Lol, I know what it's doing to your head. I've read the PM's.
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Now you are admitting that there other attributes, such as turn and firepower, that may make a plane "easier" in the game in some respects, tacitly backing off the assertion that boom and zoom planes and tactics are, without qualification, the easier choice in the game. I'm satisfied with that.
what are you?
Someone who honestly enjoys aerial chess. And someone who realizes that,in the Main Arena, myself and the nearest red plane are not the *only* pieces on the board. Thus I generally find it more satisfying to look for something to do about the tactics used by the opposition than complain about them.
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:huh
:headscratch:
Films?
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Now you are admitting that there other attributes, such as turn and firepower, that may make a plane "easier" in the game in some respects, tacitly backing off the assertion that boom and zoom planes and tactics are, without qualification, the easier choice in the game. I'm satisfied with that.
Someone who honestly enjoys aerial chess. And someone who realizes that,in the Main Arena, myself and the nearest red plane are not the *only* pieces on the board. Thus I generally find it more satisfying to look for something do do about the tactics used by the opposition than complain about them.
I would say it depends on what plane you were in whether or NOT one is truly easier...
obviously it is MUCH easier to TnB in a Hurri than a 51.
staying "alive" in the MA is easier in the roll of BnZ then TnB.
so no I haven't back off my point.
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and I don't care how one flies...its ones ATTITUDE that I take into consideration.
his attitude when he lives....
his attitude when he dies.....
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Set it up. I'll upload the folder containing each and every film.
I expect Skyyr's films will also be uploaded as well to corroborate Skyyrs side, Vraciu and yourself are pushing as all training.
I am waiting for this still Dolby, not sure why you are asking why Skyyr's films should be uploaded, if all films should show the same result?
The account has been set up as you requested.
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I would say it depends on what plane you were in whether or NOT one is truly easier...
obviously it is MUCH easier to TnB in a Hurri than a 51.
staying "alive" in the MA is easier in the roll of BnZ then TnB.
so no I haven't back off my point.
Purely staying alive is easiest achieved by never flying anywhere near a red dar bar. Thus, AFAIK very few people try to purely stay alive in the MA.
Most people are trying to shoot down as many planes as possible while getting shot down as little as possible. Apparently there is no one plane or tactic that is easiest for that in all situations, because a wide variety of fighters continue to be flown.
and I don't care how one flies...its ones ATTITUDE that I take into consideration.
his attitude when he lives....
his attitude when he dies.....
Behold my attitude towards "living" and "dying" in the MA:
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Behold my attitude towards "living" and "dying" in the MA:
bout the same as mine. :aok
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I cant recall you ever being a tard on 200.....IE whining or making excuses...
so I never thought of you as one of those guys....just so you know. :aok
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Exactly Kruel, the films are the same, so it doesn't matter who uploads them. Pester Skyyr, who filmed them, and Vraciu, who has seen the contents of them.
:D
Could this turn into a MOAT?
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I am waiting for this still Dolby, not sure why you are asking why Skyyr's films should be uploaded, if all films should show the same result?
The account has been set up as you requested.
He's probably flying Aces High, where kills are the only thing that matters.
Except in the DA. Then we need to put everything in context.
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Could this turn into a MOAT?
If this thread gets more posts than the current MOAT, then MOAT you shall have. If not, sorry about your luck.
Number of posts do not lie. :old:
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:uhoh statistics ... :cry
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I cant recall you ever being a tard on 200.....IE whining or making excuses...
There are no excuses. If he had alt on me, well I am allowed to grab alt also. If he had an easier plane, that same plane is available to me. If he brought superior numbers, well one nearly always has countrymen on one's own side to coordinate with if one wishes to do so, and the MA *IS* a team sport, whether one likes it or not.
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There are no excuses. If he had alt on me, well I am allowed to grab alt also. If he had an easier plane, that same plane is available to me. If he brought superior numbers, well one nearly always has countrymen on one's own side to coordinate with if one wishes to do so, and the MA *IS* a team sport, whether one likes it or not.
"team sport" only if you want it to be. ;)
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If one does not wish to play a team sport there is little reason to fly in the MA, one can simply go to the DA and get thrilling one on one fights with no fuss no muss. OTOH, I think many-on-many tactics also offer fascinating variables and challenges. For instance top speed, by itself not very advantageous in one-on-one can with skill and teamwork be very useful in a many-on-many melee.
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Now that I think of it your right, you kept quitting and disappearing. Lol, I know what it's doing to your head. I've read the PM's.
I'll be on around 11 ET.
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If one does not wish to play a team sport there is little reason to fly in the MA, one can simply go to the DA and get thrilling one on one fights with no fuss no muss. OTOH, I think many-on-many tactics also offer fascinating variables and challenges. For instance top speed, by itself not very advantageous in one-on-one can with skill and teamwork be very useful in a many-on-many melee.
see you don't read at all what is said. :rolleyes:
c'mon man....please tell me when I ever said I want 1vs1 in the MA....
this is the crap that gets me.... :headscratch:
I said I attack the biggest red dars there is...have always said that....
how do you get from what I type.....I want 1vs1 fights?
and the MA is a game about COMBAT more then it is a game about "team tactics"
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see you don't read at all what is said. :rolleyes:
c'mon man....please tell me when I ever said I want 1vs1 in the MA....
this is the crap that gets me.... :headscratch:
I said I attack the biggest red dars there is...have always said that....
how do you get from what I type.....I want 1vs1 fights?
and the MA is a game about COMBAT more then it is a game about "team tactics"
....but "team tactics" generate combat.......... unless that team hides behind NOEs .... attacks undefended out of the way bases....... :noid
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If one does not wish to play a team sport there is little reason to fly in the MA, one can simply go to the DA and get thrilling one on one fights with no fuss no muss. OTOH, I think many-on-many tactics also offer fascinating variables and challenges. For instance top speed, by itself not very advantageous in one-on-one can with skill and teamwork be very useful in a many-on-many melee.
Or fly Knights...
Once a tour they all have a powwow and decide on this eve, we will take the map. You have to know the secret code.
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I love team tactics! So long as my team stays out of it and let's me fight them all alone. :devil
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Anyhow..judging by Dolby's silence in regards to the films he proposed to upload, is it safe to assume that something on there might prove my point. This has been pretty derailed as it is. So I will leave it at that.
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Exactly Kruel, the films are the same, so it doesn't matter who uploads them. Pester Skyyr, who filmed them, and Vraciu, who has seen the contents of them.
:D
Could this turn into a MOAT?
You uploaded the video, I haven't spoken to Vraciu in regards to the video that he saw, Skyyr says he is unsure if he has the film. Why Pester them, when I *know* you have them. I can't control what Vraciu says or doesn't say, not sure which video he says he saw and considering your disposition to take things out of context...I want the film from the source of all this(you)....but I haven't seen the film that you already said you would upload..would you keep your commitment or at least state that you wont upload them and back out of it.
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Set it up. I'll upload the folder containing each and every film.
Its already been set up..its waiting for you to upload. According to you, there is nothing for you to lose, nothing will change if you show me the films, why the hesitation now? Hiding something? Afraid something in the films might prove my point? I mean I have already said if there is nothing in the films, I will completely apologize to you publicly. Your hesitation is indicating that I might be right..I think you would just rather not upload them and prove me right and leave the folks that don't know the story believing your half-truth.
In the end, deep down,you and I know the truth, this was a cheap shot, nothing more.
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see you don't read at all what is said. :rolleyes:
c'mon man....please tell me when I ever said I want 1vs1 in the MA....
this is the crap that gets me.... :headscratch:
I said I attack the biggest red dars there is...have always said that....
how do you get from what I type.....I want 1vs1 fights?
and the MA is a game about COMBAT more then it is a game about "team tactics"
There are different ways of reading. Here are three.
1. What does this mean? The popular default mode of reading.
2. How is this wrong? The preferred reading mode for winning the internet.
3. How is this correct? A rare mode conducive to teaching and learning.
:D
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Oh, Kruel, you are amazing. Your mechanics are terrible, just like Vraciu.
The full quote is this
Set it up. I'll upload the folder containing each and every film.
I expect Skyyr's films will also be uploaded as well to corroborate Skyyrs side, Vraciu and yourself are pushing as all training.
I know the truth, have typed the truth and am waiting for the deluded to accept the truth.
Not uploading them because of my initial post (see right above) is of great satisfaction to me because I am enjoying your dancing around.
Skyyr must have the films, how did Vraciu see what was in the text buffer, was it a false claim?
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Dolby you said that you had the films and you would post them.
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Dolby you said that you had the films and you would post them.
This.
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They're on a dropbox;
https://www.dropbox.com/s/z4yw3vntvjtslaj/Skyyr%20DA.rar
The sad thing is, now I have to admit that I had been flying through the night and actually flying at 7-8am and not 3am.
:o my brain was so fried it thought it was 3am and made my recollection of it 3am :o
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Why can't Skyyr speak for himself? He has done so just fine in many threads and all over 200.
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Oh, Kruel, you are amazing. Your mechanics are terrible, just like Vraciu.
I can't speak for Kruel's but my mechanics are awesome. They are the best in the industry. Good guys.
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I can't speak for Kruel's but my mechanics are awesome. They are the best in the industry. Good guys.
Is this some kind of joke.
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Is this some kind of joke.
:headscratch:
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I'll be on around 11 ET.
See ya Friday.
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see you don't read at all what is said. :rolleyes:
c'mon man....please tell me when I ever said I want 1vs1 in the MA....
this is the crap that gets me.... :headscratch:
I said I attack the biggest red dars there is...have always said that....
how do you get from what I type.....I want 1vs1 fights?
So you are basically looking to get attacked by a gang, presumably because you no longer find fighting just one person challenging? That's fine. But if you do that while simultaneously denigrating people for daring to attack with superior numbers ("gangtarding"), the cognitive dissonance approaches mental illness. :devil
and the MA is a game about COMBAT more then it is a game about "team tactics"
Robert Shaw literally wrote the book on fighter combat, unsurprisingly titled "Fighter Combat". Literally half the book is devoted to flying a fighter as part of a team with other fighters, against other fighters in groups. That is generally how fighters have tended to encounter each other in war, singleton operations and 1v1 "duels" being the exception. When two opposing groups of fighters encounter one another, the side which communicates and coordinates better has an enormous advantage. In the MA, one can also generally expect to meet the enemy in groups. Now, one has a few options here. One may fly as a singleton and try to do one's best. One may avoid the MA altogether and simply duel, if that is one's preference. One may try to work with the green guys as a team as best one can, for better results against the red guys. This seems like the most logical thing to do to me, and as a bonus it encourages the study of multiple fighter engagements, which is a whole other world of tactics in addition to the various tactics of 1v1 encounters.
Or one may constantly complain, in-game and on the boards, that the opposition is not fighting fairly in some way. This option seems to me the least proactive and least satisfying, yet it enjoys surprising popularity year after year.
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So you are basically looking to get attacked by a gang, presumably because you no longer find fighting just one person challenging? That's fine. But if you do that while simultaneously denigrating people for daring to attack with superior numbers ("gangtarding"), the cognitive dissonance approaches mental illness. :devil
Robert Shaw literally wrote the book on fighter combat, unsurprisingly titled "Fighter Combat". Literally half the book is devoted to flying a fighter as part of a team with other fighters, against other fighters in groups. That is generally how fighters have tended to encounter each other in war, singleton operations and 1v1 "duels" being the exception. When two opposing groups of fighters encounter one another, the side which communicates and coordinates better has an enormous advantage. In the MA, one can also generally expect to meet the enemy in groups. Now, one has a few options here. One may fly as a singleton and try to do one's best. One may avoid the MA altogether and simply duel, if that is one's preference. One may try to work with the green guys as a team as best one can, for better results against the red guys. This seems like the most logical thing to do to me, and as a bonus it encourages the study of multiple fighter engagements, which is a whole other world of tactics in addition to the various tactics of 1v1 encounters.
Or one may constantly complain, in-game and on the boards, that the opposition is not fighting fairly in some way. This option seems to me the least proactive and least satisfying, yet it enjoys surprising popularity year after year.
This is true, but the greatest aces hunted alone, Guynemer, Ball, Mannock, Rickenbacker, Buerling et al.
They all had a reputation as loners, and all went looking for kills without help, often attacking large enemy formations single handedly.
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They're on a dropbox;
https://www.dropbox.com/s/z4yw3vntvjtslaj/Skyyr%20DA.rar
The sad thing is, now I have to admit that I had been flying through the night and actually flying at 7-8am and not 3am.
:o my brain was so fried it thought it was 3am and made my recollection of it 3am :o
Thank you FLS, I viewed all them last night, and transcribed them so we can all look at/read what happened. I will post my final thoughts on this when I get home tonight.
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You think that know all FLS had anything to do with my posting, they'd been uploaded 13 hours prior :lol.
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You think that know all FLS had anything to do with my posting, they'd been uploaded 13 hours prior :lol.
Oh I saw when they were uploaded, but I'm thanking him for asking for the film as well..
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You think that know all FLS had anything to do with my posting, they'd been uploaded 13 hours prior :lol.
Thanks for posting those Dolby.
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I can't wait to see the context. :x
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Would be nice to organize a larger scale duel though, all the fighters vs all of the runners. I would bet, numerical superiority wont help ya at all.
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Would be nice to organize a larger scale duel though, all the fighters vs all of the runners. I would bet, numerical superiority wont help ya at all.
The sheer scope of the film would make this completely unworkable. Imagine all the text before, during, and after that would have to be analyzed to ensure proper context.
Just thinking of it makes me shudder.
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The sheer scope of the film would make this completely unworkable. Imagine all the text before, during, and after that would have to be analyzed to ensure proper context.
Just thinking of it makes me shudder.
Theese tiny little problems :lol .squelch all :aok
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The sheer scope of the film would make this completely unworkable. Imagine all the text before, during, and after that would have to be analyzed to ensure proper context.
Just thinking of it makes me shudder.
:lol
Yep. We sure we're running in the lake last night. Did you guys get light headed up there at 15? :lol
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Theese tiny little problems :lol .squelch all :aok
There you are! Are you back flying again? :lol
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:lol
Yep. We sure we're running in the lake last night. Did you guys get light headed up there at 15? :lol
Are you sure you want to go down this road? I mean, like, really sure?
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Are you sure you want to go down this road? I mean, like, really sure?
:rofl whatever. Enjoy the high road.
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:rofl whatever. Enjoy the high road.
That's what I thought.
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That's what I thought.
Ok, I'll bite. What are you implying?
Edit: on second thought... Nevermind. What does it matter? We are "without honor' so our words are meaningless... And all this is just meant to distract from the question at hand, any facts of which will be ignored anyway so whatever.
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So you are basically looking to get attacked by a gang, presumably because you no longer find fighting just one person challenging? That's fine. But if you do that while simultaneously denigrating people for daring to attack with superior numbers ("gangtarding"), the cognitive dissonance approaches mental illness. :devil
Robert Shaw literally wrote the book on fighter combat, unsurprisingly titled "Fighter Combat". Literally half the book is devoted to flying a fighter as part of a team with other fighters, against other fighters in groups. That is generally how fighters have tended to encounter each other in war, singleton operations and 1v1 "duels" being the exception. When two opposing groups of fighters encounter one another, the side which communicates and coordinates better has an enormous advantage. In the MA, one can also generally expect to meet the enemy in groups. Now, one has a few options here. One may fly as a singleton and try to do one's best. One may avoid the MA altogether and simply duel, if that is one's preference. One may try to work with the green guys as a team as best one can, for better results against the red guys. This seems like the most logical thing to do to me, and as a bonus it encourages the study of multiple fighter engagements, which is a whole other world of tactics in addition to the various tactics of 1v1 encounters.
Or one may constantly complain, in-game and on the boards, that the opposition is not fighting fairly in some way. This option seems to me the least proactive and least satisfying, yet it enjoys surprising popularity year after year.
are you pulling crap out of your rear end :headscratch:
I laugh at the way people fly...I laugh at the fact people play a combat game and avoid combat....
now I am laughing at you...for comparing a game to real life...but seeing how you went there.
do you know who "the one man army" is?
ill let you figure it out. :rolleyes:
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Ok, I'll bite. What are you implying?
Edit: on second thought... Nevermind. What does it matter? We are "without honor' so our words are meaningless... And all this is just meant to distract from the question at hand, any facts of which will be ignored anyway so whatever.
lol... I knew you'd figure it out. :aok
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lol... I knew you'd figure it out. :aok
Figure it out? Seriously? Do you honestly think I don't know ALL of this is meaningless BS?
Go through the health issues and problems I've dealt with this past year, am STILL dealing with, and it puts it all in perspective....
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Figure it out? Seriously? Do you honestly think I don't know ALL of this is meaningless BS?
Go through the health issues and problems I've dealt with this past year, am STILL dealing with, and it puts it all in perspective....
If it's all meaningless BS you shouldn't have created your 5th forum account to participate in it.
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If it's all meaningless BS you shouldn't have created your 5th forum account to participate in it.
Its my third. And no I shouldn't have... But I am also stubborn and dislike bullies. What's your excuse?
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Its my third. And no I shouldn't have... But I am also stubborn and dislike bullies. What's your excuse?
For starting and maintaining my one and only account? Uhhh... keep abreast of community topics I reckon.
Bullies? For real? How exactly is anything you've said or done thus far saving anyone from a bully? And who the hell is bullying you anyway? lol
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For starting and maintaining my one and only account? Uhhh... keep abreast of community topics I reckon.
Bullies? For real? How exactly is anything you've said or done thus far saving anyone from a bully? And who the hell is bullying you anyway? lol
Bullying me? Why no one... Or if they are I'm just choosing to ignore it because it really doesn't matter. But others? What, exactly, started all this? Did someone's feelings get hurt because Skyyr shot them down? Maybe because he did so in a way unapproved of by the Clique?
Do you really want to go there, Triton. Seriously? Why do you think the Muppets are disliked, have the reputation they have. Oh, for sure part of it is the skill of some of the players... No one disputes that. But that doesn't account for it all... And you know exactly what I mean. Don't be coy, don't be shy....
But let's not get the thread locked... Then Kruel would have to go and create a new one. Besides... I'm interested to see what information he found, which will of course be ignored but that's OK as well!
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Bullying me? Why no one... Or if they are I'm just choosing to ignore it because it really doesn't matter. But others? What, exactly, started all this? Did someone's feelings get hurt because Skyyr shot them down? Maybe because he did so in a way unapproved of by the Clique?
Do you really want to go there, Triton. Seriously? Why do you think the Muppets are disliked, have the reputation they have. Oh, for sure part of it is the skill of some of the players... No one disputes that. But that doesn't account for it all... And you know exactly what I mean. Don't be coy, don't be shy....
But let's not get the thread locked... Then Kruel would have to go and create a new one. Besides... I'm interested to see what information he found, which will of course be ignored but that's OK as well!
Right. Skyyr was just keeping to himself flying his plane and the mean ol' Muppets just started being mean because A) that's what they do, and B) Skyyr flies differently than us. lol... revisionist history.
People don't like the Muppets? Who said? You? lol
Wonder why? :)
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Zerstorer. If I may be so bold sir.
I fly with JG11. The CO is Stampf.
Members of our squad, up to and including the CO, conduct themselves in a manner that never needs defending by anyone else in the squad.
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There you are! Are you back flying again? :lol
Are you a fricken turd still? How is your candy van, cindy?
rofl.
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:rofl
that is some funny stuff there fulcrum.....
oh no....,..people dont like me...what shall I do :rolleyes:
only you are so insecure, that it matters what people "think" of you....
and trust me far more people respect and "like" the muppets....then your delusional self believes :aok
you and midway are probably the same person....the more I read what you say the more I believe that.
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Zerstorer. If I may be so bold sir.
I fly with JG11. The CO is Stampf.
Members of our squad, up to and including the CO, conduct themselves in a manner that never needs defending by anyone else in the squad.
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I'm well aware of this sir. :salute
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:rofl
that is some funny stuff there fulcrum.....
oh no....,..people dont like me...what shall I do :rolleyes:
only you are so insecure, that it matters what people "think" of you....
and trust me far more people respect and "like" the muppets....then your delusional self believes :aok
you and midway are probably the same person....the more I read what you say the more I believe that.
I'm sure a lot of people do, Ink. I did as well believe it or not. But there are those who do not like how some of you rip people apart, and yes its noticed. Some of the things go Waaaaay outside the bounds of "ribbing" or competitive smack talk.
Are you a fricken turd still? How is your candy van, cindy?
rofl.
I
Take this for example. Would you like me to go through all the Candy Van posts? Would you like me to discuss how my son read them, how I had to discuss with him why someone would accuse his father of having a Candy Van and all that implies? Do you really want to go there, Paul? And yes, I'm aware the person who started it was not at the time a member of the Muppets, but who continues to use it? Who asks about it on 200? All for what, for simply and respectfully pointing out to Grizz that some dont like the idea of the 12-hour rule change... And heck, I even AGREE with the idea! For the sin of pointing out Grizz MIGHT want to consider seeking a compromise we get pages of threads that end up devolving into a difficult discussion with my son. Sweet and thank you guys for that.
So you want a clue why I said what I recently said about some in your squad? Want a clue why I threw my hat in the ring? There is the poster child for you. I ribbed Debrody to start flying... I get a Candy van reference. It's like using a tactical nuke to kill a guy with a BB gun... SOME of you don't know where to draw the line.
Btw.. I've never claimed Skyyr is a saint. Lord knows I'm not and don't claim to be. But there are limits. Respect then and maybe you would be surprised by the results.
Amazing.....
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Truth hurt........... change your reality.
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Truth hurt........... change your reality.
Quoted for The Damned motto.
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Truth hurt........... change your reality.
Like talking to a wall.
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Dont forget to clean that brown stuff off your toungue.
I might be a bit harsh but just cannot approve your behaviour. Sorry.
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I apologize for coming to this thread late. I've worked odd hours and have not really been on the forums much over the last week.
First off, I'm flattered that Dolby felt the need to post films from what I thought, rather - we both admitted - were friendly interactions. Our "duels" started off when I killed him in the MA, I was flying a D9 and he was flying an F4U-1. He made a snarky comment, I responded in kind, and he mentioned something to the effect of "You can't do that in a 1v1" (referring to the way I was going vertical). We exchanged competitive but friendly banter, and nothing more. He then, in the same tone, asked if I wanted to go to the DA.
The flight model here is different, in that the drag and acceleration modeling doesn't behave like other sims (or aircraft, for that matter, including C-12 turboprops I have actual time in) when transitioning from the horizontal to the vertical. At the time, I'd been flying for ~4 months and was interested in how to transition in the vertical from a neutral 1v1 position, same plane. Curious about his comments, and wanting to competitively see if what he said was true, I agreed to go to the DA.
We had one or two "fights" (where I tested my going vertical versus his wide sweeping turns), but all of the subsequent fights were simply adopting and testing variations of Cargnico's tactics for the first time, trying horizontal variations instead of going vertical. That's it, that's all. There were no hard feelings and I actually mentioned that I'd like to go again, if he had time later and after I adopted what was relevant from the session (I don't remember if this was in the film or later, in-game). To summarize Dolby directly during our fights, "The jerk part is just an act [...] I enjoy training." We parted ways, and that was it.
Six weeks later, I find this post, via a PM from Dolby stating that he had posted our "training session." Again, I'm more puzzled than anything. I did not right-out challenge Dolby, nor have I ever implied that either of us were inferior to the other. In fact, I went into it as a 4-month player to learn vertical merging tactics from someone who has played for years. I knew going into it that he had routinely offered help to train new players, and I took his offer as an opportunity to do the same.
I did select to save the films in-game (I always fly with auto-record on), but I saved them using periods in them (for "vs.") and they don't seem to have actually saved, for whatever reason.
That said, I'll still thank Dolby for his time; however, I would warn current and future players to ignore his facade of a presenting training opportunities as he obviously performs them with ulterior motives.
And to the person who said it, nothing I've done needs defending (nor, for that matter have I ever asked anyone to defend me in this game or any other).
Lastly, it's quite sad that this thread is now nearly 20 pages long, with the majority of it being one person dodging posting the original films; with another 7 pages being dedicated to a gaggle of internet gamers arguing against the clearly-established fundamentals and merits of actual air combat tactics. With all of the effort that is put into posting, you could have completely debunked the "game is dying argument" multiple times over. But no, you'd rather debate that here. I guess that's what I thought squad forums were for. Well, if you have one and have access to it, that is.
That is all I have to say on the topic.
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Quoted for The Damned motto.
Keep in mind that The Damned from FA is far different than The Damned from here. The Damned that's been in AH for a long time were guys from The Damned squadrons in AW and WB and were and still are good people and were always known for putting up a good fight.
ack-ack
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I can't believe we waited nearly a week for that. :(
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Dont forget to clean that brown stuff off your toungue.
I might be a bit harsh but just cannot approve your behaviour. Sorry.
Actually, making a crack like that is completely acceptable to me. It's not over that line I was talking about. I even got a chuckle out of it! Maybe there is hope for some of you yet...
See you in the skies, Debby. :D
(see what I did there?)
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It's unfortunate if this was misrepresented. Another set of duels, not on the deck, would be instructive.
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I can't believe we waited nearly a week for that. :(
It's all, (think the BBS corrects the word I'm looking for is) "roadkill" and excuses.
You can even see and hear that it's not actually until the 4th fight I mention that I offer training. :lol
Keep in mind that The Damned from FA is far different than The Damned from here. The Damned that's been in AH for a long time were guys from The Damned squadrons in AW and WB and were and still are good people and were always known for putting up a good fight.
ack-ack
Can we have them back?
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ok....I am friggin done.
if I posted a pm I got from a certain member of this forum.....screw it....
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/pm1_zpse683e7b8.png) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/fieldsofink/media/pm1_zpse683e7b8.png.html)
you would all see the mental diffeciency at work...this particular PM is so far off the chart....
I just cant explain....
and then when I try to respond I get this
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/fulcrumhahawhatheadscratch_zps53bcc74f.png) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/fieldsofink/media/fulcrumhahawhatheadscratch_zps53bcc74f.png.html)
wow....seriously.....
you need help bro.
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It's unfortunate if this was misrepresented. Another set of duels, not on the deck, would be instructive.
It would be. It would also be nice of a few reserved judgement until watching all the films.... But as I stated before, all of this is pointless... Some won't care. Cuts against the agenda talking points.
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Personally i find the context argument a bit weird i got into every fight training or not and fly to the best of my abilities why would you fly softer because its training :headscratch:
EatG
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Personally i find the context argument a bit weird i got into every fight training or not and fly to the best of my abilities why would you fly softer because its training :headscratch:
EatG
You wouldn't, it's just an excuse.
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I recently went toe to toe with Bruv, and even though I wanted to train and expose holes in my fight, if he said the of the 40+ rounds he won 35+, I wouldn't argue or make excuses, (my shooting aside). Even though I was trying to find weaknesses and trying other things including sitting in a spit9 for a number of fights, fact of the matter is that at every opportunity I tried to kill him.
With Bruv I did mention training when I got him to duel, whereas with Skyyr there was smack talking leading up to it and I didn't mention anything about my offering training until fight 4.
Not to mention I fought Skyyr after nearly 24 hours or so of being awake, with Bruv it was in my timezones peak, he spanked me at my maximum alertness.
Slapshot said something in HiTechs' sig.
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Alright I'm home, and just in time it seems! First off let me express my final thoughts on this matter:
First: You won the duels, fair and square. You won them all, convincingly so.
Second: In the second duel, you already started mentioning how you train people out of Skyyr's Flight style.
Third: Your tone of speaking is not one in which he would've felt threatened or felt like he would have to defend himself against his mistakes (of course 2 months later). Yet during the course of the duel you are typing to your squad mates and laughing it up, all the while talking to Skyyr in a cordial manner. That is two faced, and cowardly. If and when you are defeated by anyone of us in a duel, we will be sure to let you know to your face instead of behind your back. After all, if this was prompted by DA smack talk, shouldn't have this been a little bit more...blunt? Now that the animosity is at its peak level, no need to be cordial anymore. The Read Me file attached to the .rar you uploaded is a testament to your two faced hypocrisy calling it the Demolition of Skyyr (dated 6/3/2014) while on (04/25/2014 - the date such demolition took place.) you said he was a good fight and could be molded into a lethal pilot.
Fourth: As I originally stated, at the time of these recordings, the animosity that exists towards Skyyr was not nearly at the level that it is now. You saved these films for nearly 2 months to make yourself look better, or to make Skyyr look bad, or both. Had you posted these films on April 26th, I wouldn't have a leg to stand on in this argument. You painted yourself as a friendly/competitive/mentoring person then burned him for it later when you felt the need to do it.
Fifth: What was said in between duels was not recorded and we can only speculate what was said, but by the sounds/looks of it in the films you probably discussed tactics a bit more in a cordial manner. Further buttering Skyyr up and leading him to experiment more to get your critique (cutting engine to attempt to cause overshoot or drop speed).
Finally: You honestly seem like a good/knowledgeable guy in the film, its sad that you took these films as a cheap-shot instead of doing it in the present day. All of this to "stop" our cheerleading? or Feel better about yourself, meh, only you can answer that.
Side note: Why are you firing off 75% of your ammo at the start? Is this actually modeled? Bullet weight? How much does it really help? Was Skyyr, whom you considered a noob that needed training, made aware of this?
Below is the transcription from all the films as best my DragonNS would pick it up and I could correct it, when someone 'says' something its over voice chat, 'types' is obviously in chat, if any other party is in the film I X'ed their names out.:
Duel 1:
Dolby says "Right on I'm on the runway, I'm just spooling up, let me know when you are ready to roll, roger that rolling"
Skyyr types: "Rolling"
Dolby says "This should actually be quiet interesting you seem like an E fighting type of fellow, so I can pretty much guess that your first merge is going to be exactly what I expect it to be"
Dolby says "Ah unlucky Sky, that was good effort"
Duel 2:
Dolby says: "Rolling"
Dolby says: "I have to admit, I kind of train people out of doing how you fight cause it kind of, it kind of gets you killed, you are automatically forcing yourself to fly on the defensive."
Dolby says: "Do you not find that in MA quite often though when you come up 1 on 1 with nobody else around, they kind of get angles on you and you are suddenly of flying around defensively looking for the rope, which you know, people can get around."
Dolby says: "Ah unlucky Sky, I saw you go a bit more.." // Audio cuts off as recording ends.
Duel 3:
Dolby says: "You're a good fight though. Rolling"
Dolby says: "Ah unlucky Sky, not a bad fight at all Mr. Sky in the D9"
Skyyr types: "gf - your plane?"
Duel 4:
Dolby says: "Alright ready on the runway, ready to roll, roger that rolling".
Skyyr types: "Rolling".
Dolby says: "Oh just so you know, um, I well in the, uh, general forum I've got a thing in the training section,services. Stuff, training stuff, so if you want to tighten those mergers and whatever a little bit and start getting a bit more on the attack, I'm quite happy to uh help, hints things, its up to you..its open."
Dolby says: "You'd have to answer this question in text after this fight, do you use a keyboard or something because you keep switching your engine off, that trick only works in Fighter Ace if memory serves me correct.
Dolby: "Ahh not at this altitude Skyyr! Ahh no, ahh unlucky, its a trick you want to try in.." // Audio cuts off as recording ends.
Duel 5
Dolby: "I've gone back into the tower, I have no idea who that is, not going to say anything on the all channel."
Dolby: "Hang on I'm in the tower, Ohh he's gone. Right OK Do you want to start up again, Sorry about that, I don't know who it was it might be XXXXX"
Dolby: "Roger that right uh, ready to roll aaand"
Dolby: "Ahh Skyyr, you're a good fighter I wont doubt you that, a little bit of work on your aggressi..." // Audio cuts off as recording ends.
Duel 6:
Dolby: "On the runway in the dreaded plane"
Dolby: "Roger that! Rolling!"
Dolby types in squad chat:"Yeah 6-0"
XXXXX types in squad chat:"Hahaha nice"
Dolby types in squad chat:]
Skyyr types in chat: "been flying sims for years - the energy modeling here is weird - no other sim do you burn energy like her"
Skyyr types in chat: "*here"
Dolby says: "Yeah I know what you mean, I came from IL2 1946 and you have to fly that with nice smooth movements and all that and you come to Aces High,
"and uh and i think they've done it for game play reasons more than anything, because you can shoot really easily in Aces High, its like flying in soup, the air in this place, you've got to be really really you know.... on it"
Skyyr types in chat: I'm still trying to find that balance. I can turn fight, but im trying to find how to maintain E. Coming close, buts its still off
Dolby says:" Yeah its a balancing act, specially in Aces High its almost critical in a duel you have to chose one thing early on whether its angles fight or e fight, you can counter act both // Audio is not understandable as recording muffled by engine noise.
Dolby says: "Ahh unlucky Sky"
Skyyr types: gf
Duel 7:
Dolby: "Trying to think,On the runway, annnd rolling, There's a guy called BatFink and that guy is insane, I mean he plays with me like I am a toy, he can fly the K4 at like 20-30 miles an hour, at least it seems that way when you fly against him, you should try and hook up with him for some kind of little tips with,uh, balancing act with the merge, he'd turn you into a lethal pilot because you've got the energy ability already."
Skyyr types: will do
Dolby types in squad(red) chat: 7-0
Dolby: "Ahh Skyyr if you had just done that over the loop"
Duel 8:
Dolby types: let me and skyyr have out fight then you can have it
xxxxx types: heading west
Dolby Says: "I'm going to come out anyway, if he just gets into the fight, just brings more tough luck i suppose, I'm sure he wont"
Dolby types: rgr cheers chap :)
Dolby says: "Dangit typing to him I forgot to bring my gear up almost smacked the bloody thing off"
xxxxx Types: cheeers :) enjoy
Dolby says: "Unlucky Sky, I kind of, I kind of..well...." // Audio cuts off as recording ends.
Duel 9:
Skyyr types: ok
Skyyr types: rolling
Skyyr types: xxxxxx is in front
Dolby says: "Oh god not XXXXX"
Dolby types: I see you XXXXX
Dolby types: cheeky
XXXXX types: o.o
XXXXX types: FREE CARGNICO
Dolby says: "Ohh almost didn't expect to make that"
Skyyr types: gf
Doulby says: "Ahh Unlucky Sky, in the.." // Audio cuts off as recording ends.
As I said, you seem like a good guy but by hiding your true intentions about how you felt in the duel makes you look like a coward. Waiting 2 months to post the duels makes you an opportunist. We might be new to the game but we aren't new to competitive gaming, we have seen these things before, and we will see these things again, I'm sure.
=S=
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The shooting of ammo before a duel is enough to make me :headscratch:
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Kruel, my tone is like that at all times. When I got 2cmex in the DA after the same sort of smack talking between us, I greeted him with joy and happiness like a friend.
This animosity you keep talking about, you are aware of all the swords I've crossed with people over the years that fly like that right? And prior to these Duels crossed swords with Skyyr on 200 about it. I mean I feel the same way about that silly fighting style as I did with cmex, with Pand, Rocky, the list goes on. It's not worse now than then, it's no worse than when Skyyr was trying to claim 3 kills on me when it was 1 and gangband assists.
I know you are playing propaganda minister for Skyyr, and making excuses for him, but have you gone completely mad going that far of the edge?
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Did you post videos of all those people you fought?
I'm not talking about your tone alone, I am talking about the whole encounter. Surely, I beat such a smack talker like Skyyr and decided to post a video of it (albeit nearly 2 months later, :bhead) you'd think you would have smack talked him during the duel(and right after) to give him some humble pie. I think you are in denial about your course of action, maybe I am ignorant about how smack talk is perceived in this community? Is it the community maybe? Sorry, like I said we are new does Smack talk = friendly banter? Judging by the smack talk in this thread who needs enemies when we have friends like each other :cheers:?
Come to think of it, why didn't you post the videos right away? Maybe that's the question I should have led off with.
I don't know you or your duel history, I do know cheapshots when I see them, I simply called you out on it.
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The shooting of ammo before a duel is enough to make me :headscratch:
Seeking advantage through weight reduction. Only thing I can see it used for. In WBs I saw it used by guys pursued while RTB--they would fire off ammo in order to fly faster and outrun their pursuit. The E6B shows weight reduced when ammo fired so it must be modeled in here, why track it otherwise?
My guess is it lightens the plane. So, in an engagement (duel) where all variables are expected to be near equal at the merge, firing off ammo is dirty pool if not briefed prior to the encounter.
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Are you a fricken turd still? How is your candy van, cindy?
rofl.
Deb,... I've got to say, your commentary always causes me to break into a s***-eating grin, but, geez, Cindy? I've got to hear the backstory on that name.
A diplomat you're not, but I'm still chuckling.
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(see what I did there?)
Why, what you did there? Getting curious.
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Deb,... I've got to say, your commentary always causes me to break into a s***-eating grin, but, geez, Cindy? I've got to hear the backstory on that name.
A diplomat you're not, but I'm still chuckling.
Well, exuse me, after an amount of crap, i cannot resist to send the individual to some better climate. Since im not english, nor an expert in the lingual niceties, had to do this straight.
Ask fulcrum about that name. It was actually him telling me some story in PM, crying like a beyotch about someone else and threatening me with bannage. rofl.
(check PMs) :rofl
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Did you post videos of all those people you fought?
I'm not talking about your tone alone, I am talking about the whole encounter. Surely, I beat such a smack talker like Skyyr and decided to post a video of it (albeit nearly 2 months later, :bhead) you'd think you would have smack talked him during the duel(and right after) to give him some humble pie. I think you are in denial about your course of action, maybe I am ignorant about how smack talk is perceived in this community? Is it the community maybe? Sorry, like I said we are new does Smack talk = friendly banter? Judging by the smack talk in this thread who needs enemies when we have friends like each other :cheers:?
Come to think of it, why didn't you post the videos right away? Maybe that's the question I should have led off with.
I don't know you or your duel history, I do know cheapshots when I see them, I simply called you out on it.
Check my youtube and see if there are duels with any of those people.
I've never smack talked during a duel, I need controlled aggression not a pre-occupied mind. Not only that, it's just not me.
No, I'm fine with my course of action, posting right away wouldn't allow enough digging for the pay off.
For instance;
Duel 8, watch the film, listen to what I say and watch the gear snap off.
Here is what you have typed Kruel;
Dolby Says: "I'm going to come out anyway, if he just gets into the fight, just brings more tough luck i suppose, I'm sure he wont"
Dolby says: "Dangit typing to him I forgot to bring my gear up almost smacked the bloody thing off"
Here is reality;
"if he just gets into the fight, just sods law and tough luck I suppose"
and
"damn it typing to him I forgot to bring my gear up I snapped the bloody thing off".
Obvious editing is obvious.
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Well, I guess this is one way to start a day...
1. I haven't defended anyone other than getting in the mix when I saw your post on the forum about a guy you've never fought, met or even talked far as we can tell.
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So let me make this as clear as I possibly can, and please feel free to share this with your squadmates: This ends NOW. If you, or any of your equally eloquent squad members, sends me one more message I will take whatever measures are required, up to and including calling HTC personally, to make certain it will be the last time. I'm done with this. It's a game... No one has died, no one has been assaulted. Leave me alone. Got it?
Dude, it turns out that its actually you PM abusing my squadmates then instantly blocking them?
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-F0VFZ4N8mHU/T1EIa9MZfSI/AAAAAAAAAFo/2I53O_5xof4/s1600/crybaby.jpg)
So what are we talking about?
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That is all I have to say on the topic.
Still trying to explain the results? Well, keep going :aok
About this thread, it were YOUR puppets who started to agressively "counter-attack" Dolby. So what are you talking about? Hypocricy again, nothing else.
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Still trying to explain the results? Well, keep going :aok
About this thread, it were YOUR puppets who started to agressively "counter-attack" Dolby. So what are you talking about? Hypocricy again, nothing else.
Shut your pie hole, armchair fighter pilot wannabe (retired). Lol
Dolby has questionable ethics, at BEST. WELL KNOWN, to boot. Documented in small part here by Kruel.
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Dolby has questionable ethics, at BEST.
Mirror mirror on the wall, whos the sickest one of all,
mirror mirror split in two, look at me - who are you?
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I don't see how people can be cowards over a Video Game :headscratch:. At the end of the day this is all just a game.
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:bolt:
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:bolt:
Thanks Poison, I was looking for mine.
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Mirror mirror on the wall, whos the sickest one of all,
mirror mirror split in two, look at me - who are you?
If by this pathetic post you infer my ethics are questionable, please post specific examples. Otherwise, kindly stuff your inferior superior in your posterior.
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I don't see how people can be cowards over a Video Game :headscratch:. At the end of the day this is all just a game.
Perhaps another post that pulls me into the camp that doesn't think ur a dbag. Well said.
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If by this pathetic post you infer my ethics are questionable, please post specific examples. Otherwise, kindly stuff your inferior superior in your posterior.
Specific example quoted.
My extraordinarily pathetic post was the reference to a song. Helloween, The Dark Ride album.
However, you (plural) get the Perfect Gentleman:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8U8gjFx9Vk
However, you make me angry again, in my darkest hour would show ya the skin of my teeth and 99 ways to die in hangar 18, cuz killing is my business ,and yea business is good. So respect, walk.
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I don't see how people can be cowards over a Video Game :headscratch:. At the end of the day this is all just a game.
Being afraid of a virtual death is cowardice, or what... hehe
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Specific example quoted.
My extraordinarily pathetic post was the reference to a song. Helloween, The Dark Ride album.
However, you (plural) get the Perfect Gentleman:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8U8gjFx9Vk
Epic fail. Per par. 1/10.
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Epic fail. Per par. 1/10.
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Well, exuse me, after an amount of crap, i cannot resist to send the individual to some better climate. Since im not english, nor an expert in the lingual niceties, had to do this straight.
Ask fulcrum about that name. It was actually him telling me some story in PM, crying like a beyotch about someone else and threatening me with bannage. rofl.
(check PMs) :rofl
Actually I'm not sure the exact reference, but no one threatened me. Indeed, little man, you cannot threaten me at all. I believe, Debby, the reference is from my saying I'm tired of receiving the profanity laced tirades of you and your equally eloquent kindred. Problem solved!
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You will note I do not reference any other PM's you sent to me, which had rather personal information in them, to ridicule you. Remember that line I keep talking about?
I think this thread has gone on more than enough. Farwell, friends... To the battlefield.... I grow bored with the hair band crowds.
(thinking the lock won't long now)
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I'm tired of receiving the profanity laced tirades of you and your equally eloquent kindred
Actually it was you PMing Ink and Peppr. oops, fail
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Actually it was you PMing Ink and Peppr. oops, fail
(http://www.cherrybombed.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/1297635013.jpg)
As I referenced previously.. ..
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This wont change the fact that you were PMing Ink and Peppr yet youre the one being butthurt :rofl
By the way, considering that im on your igorelist, youre answering quite quickly.
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This wont change the fact that you were PMing Ink and Peppr yet youre the one being butthurt :rofl
By the way, considering that im on your igorelist, youre answering quite quickly.
Ignore is juuuusst for your PMs.
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*smooch*
Stay sweet! Say hi to the WT crowd for me! I gotta go do some work. Tootles!
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Ignore is juuuusst for your PMs.
uhm, no.
Being arrogant still wont change the truth though.
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Zowie. I got Rule 14'ed for some quotations yesterday - and it was appropriate, arguably.
I think Skuzzy is taking the Hockey Ref approach on this one... let 'em get it out of their systems.
This is like Ross the Boss versus Doug Glatt. I wish I had Lusche's Popcorn emoticon.
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Check my youtube and see if there are duels with any of those people.
I've never smack talked during a duel, I need controlled aggression not a pre-occupied mind. Not only that, it's just not me.
No, I'm fine with my course of action, posting right away wouldn't allow enough digging for the pay off.
For instance;
Duel 8, watch the film, listen to what I say and watch the gear snap off.
Here is what you have typed Kruel;
Here is reality;
"if he just gets into the fight, just sods law and tough luck I suppose"
and
"damn it typing to him I forgot to bring my gear up I snapped the bloody thing off".
Obvious editing is obvious.
Digging for which pay off? If this was a friendly duel, which pay off are you referring to? Please, Please don't say that you planned this all along! You are a maniacal genius! /sarcasm.
I did look through your YouTube channel remember me giving you props on 'Kill Emil'? The only video that I noticed that said Dolby vs. Xxxxx was the one vs Skyyr, maybe the others are private?
Are you saying that because of your accent(nothing wrong with it), engine noise, and bad sound quality over in game comms, that I messed up on two sentences, irrelevant to the main point of this argument, that it's was edited? Lol I mean the video is there for all to see and interpret for themselves.
Dolby, quit while you are still a bit behind, you're reaching now.
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irrelevant to the main point of this argument, that it's was edited?
Jeez really?! I can't determine what the "main point" of your argument is unless you just slipped up here. Do you think the films were edited in some way in order to alter the outcome? That's the vibe I've been getting. If so just own that and say it rather than painting around the edges.
Look. Your boy got beat. Bad. No denying that either by you or him. He ran his mouth, as he'll do, and found out the hard way. The circumstance of it didn't change the outcome. What happened clearly happened. If you think your boy held back then say that--or better yet--let HIM say that. Then head back over to the DA and prove it. Filed under nut up or shut up. That's how it's done, not hiding behind some circumstance as an excuse. I don't see the "point" of pursuing this any further. It's only making YOU (and your squad) look worse, if possible. As a long time ,but now former, member of the Damned I implore you to please stop dragging such a historically great squad's name into the mud. Dolby's been part of this community for quite a long time. He's done plenty for this community. Hehe although he's got a rep of being a bit abrasive at times. You've been here about 20 minutes and think you're somehow gonna drag him down. It's laughable. No one here, if you haven't noticed, is coming to your defense outside of your squaddies who have an obvious slant on things.
It's OK man. He only died a VIRTUAL death. He's not really dead. No really. Get over it already. Sheesh.
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Jeez really?! I can't determine what the "main point" of your argument is unless you just slipped up here. Do you think the films were edited in some way in order to alter the outcome? That's the vibe I've been getting. If so just own that and say it rather than painting around the edges.
Look. Your boy got beat. Bad. No denying that either by you or him. He ran his mouth, as he'll do, and found out the hard way. The circumstance of it didn't change the outcome. What happened clearly happened. If you think your boy held back then say that--or better yet--let HIM say that. Then head back over to the DA and prove it. Filed under nut up or shut up. That's how it's done, not hiding behind some circumstance as an excuse. I don't see the "point" of pursuing this any further. It's only making YOU (and your squad) look worse, if possible. As a long time ,but now former, member of the Damned I implore you to please stop dragging such a historically great squad's name into the mud. Dolby's been part of this community for quite a long time. He's done plenty for this community. Hehe although he's got a rep of being a bit abrasive at times. You've been here about 20 minutes and think you're somehow gonna drag him down. It's laughable. No one here, if you haven't noticed, is coming to your defense outside of your squaddies who have an obvious slant on things.
It's OK man. He only died a VIRTUAL death. He's not really dead. No really. Get over it already. Sheesh.
If you don't see my argument, I would suggest you go back and read this entire thread again, my point has been proven, end of story, nothing really to get over.
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The fact that this has 22 pages :lol
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If you don't see my argument, I would suggest you go back and read this entire thread again, my point has been proven, end of story, nothing really to get over.
I've kept up with it. All I've seen from you is a lot of dancing around. So I'll ask you again. Do you think Dolby doctored the films or not?
I'd also ask you to re-read my last post and take some to heart.
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I don't see how people can be cowards over a Video Game :headscratch:. At the end of the day this is all just a game.
Bullseye.
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Bullseye.
Ah, but BnZs, you know that there are bullseyes and there are bullseyes. It's clearly so much more than "just a game". But the statements require some qualification - yours and mine both.
It's like I say, Sports is drama for men. Viva la drama!!!
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I've kept up with it. All I've seen from you is a lot of dancing around. So I'll ask you again. Do you think Dolby doctored the films or not?
I'd also ask you to re-read my last post and take some to heart.
Not very well then, If you read the posts you would see that I already state that Dolby won the duels. The point was that the duels were nearly 2 months ago under different pretenses,The point is that Dolby presented the fights like they happened yesterday, then refused/delayed to upload the original films so we could all see what's was said/typed instead of a YouTube video. He didn't doctor the films, he doctored his timing and context of the films when he released the YouTube video.
Again, my point is proven. This thread now going around in circles, the films were posted and transcribed for all to see, those who are non partial (maybe FLS?) Maybe provide an even keeled judgement. Other than that, my work here is done.
:salute
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This thread is slowly moving into my top 5 favorites of all time.
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Yes Kruel your work here is done, anymore nails in the coffin of your and The (new) Damned's credibility and we'll be calling you icepac.
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:rofl
After all this you said:
credibility
:rofl
Dolby preaching to me about credibility,
:rofl
Perfect ending!
:rofl
One more thing: :rofl wait, wait, wait :gasping for air:..... Credibility! Pfffft! :rofl :rofl
Dolby, offering training and credibility lessons for those whom he thinks needs them......
Then throws them under the bus when he's threatened or needs an epeen boost.
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You're actually so pathetic I feel as bad as I did after the 3rd duel against Skyyr.
Walk overs are depressing when they are too easy.
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... Sports is drama for men. Viva la drama!!!
Drama is sport for boys. :devil
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Credit Diane Arbus
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<S> Dolby
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:rofl
After all this you said:
:rofl
Dolby preaching to me about credibility,
:rofl
Perfect ending!
:rofl
One more thing: :rofl wait, wait, wait :gasping for air:..... Credibility! Pfffft! :rofl :rofl
Dolby, offering training and credibility lessons for those whom he thinks needs them......
Then throws them under the bus when he's threatened or needs an epeen boost.
:rofl :cheers:
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You're actually so pathetic I feel as bad as I did after the 3rd duel against Skyyr.
Walk overs are depressing when they are too easy.
There you go, that's the honesty I was looking for, finally, 2 months too late.
:aok
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are you pulling crap out of your rear end :headscratch:
Is that your term for logic? You said you like to fight superior numbers of enemies, I presume for the challenge of the thing. But if people did not attack you in superior numbers ("gangtarding") you wouldn't get to enjoy this challenge. So if you denigrate people for gangtarding, (I don't know whether you do or not, truly), then you would be denigrating people for handing you the sort of play you say you enjoy. And IMO, that would be a bit mental. But hey, I'm not a doctor or anything.
I laugh at the way people fly...I laugh at the fact people play a combat game and avoid combat....
I rarely have trouble finding people who try shoot me down. Often I find players going out of their way to attack me. And often they succeed! :D If players really are avoiding tangling with you, there could be several reasons. Maybe they don't like their chances against what amounts to a Japanese Spixteen in performance and maneuverability, especially if it is above them :devil You could try flying something less intimidating to draw them in. This would work especially well if it was something really fast, such as a P-51D or 190D so that you could also run them down if they attempt to flee. These planes are rather worse in turning dogfight performance than a Ki-84, but that shouldn't matter with all your skillz, right Tiger?
now I am laughing at you...for comparing a game to real life...
I hate to keep bringing this up, but I clearly remember you "laughing" at me when I pointed out that all aircraft have the same turn performance at the same airspeed and G-loading. A notion you found laughable but which turned out to be exactly in accordance with the laws of physics. What I"m saying is, my data indicates that there seems to be a direct correlation between you "laughing" at something I type on this forum and what I type turning out to be absolutely correct. :devil
This is a game that has been built to simulate flight physics and fighter combat with a great deal of fidelity. Logically then, there is much cross-over between what works for real fighters and and what works in Aces High. In the Aces High Main Arena, the situation usually involves groups of planes fighting with other groups of planes. Therefore, studying and applying wingman and section tactics to win these sorts of fights is just as logical as studying such aspects of real world fighter combat that apply to 1v1 fights in here, such as merges and pursuit courses. If you do not find multi-vs-multi tactics interesting and only find 1v1 combat to your taste, that is just fine but you can't blame your fellow players if they disagree with you on that.
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sky got owned, that is all :)
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sky got owned, that is all :)
^^^ Cannot read for comprehension. :rolleyes:
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Is that your term for logic? You said you like to fight superior numbers of enemies, I presume for the challenge of the thing. But if people did not attack you in superior numbers ("gangtarding") you wouldn't get to enjoy this challenge. So if you denigrate people for gangtarding, (I don't know whether you do or not, truly), then you would be denigrating people for handing you the sort of play you say you enjoy. And IMO, that would be a bit mental. But hey, I'm not a doctor or anything.
I rarely have trouble finding people who try shoot me down. Often I find players going out of their way to attack me. And often they succeed! :D If players really are avoiding tangling with you, there could be several reasons. Maybe they don't like their chances against what amounts to a Japanese Spixteen in performance and maneuverability, especially if it is above them :devil You could try flying something less intimidating to draw them in. This would work especially well if it was something really fast, such as a P-51D or 190D so that you could also run them down if they attempt to flee. These planes are rather worse in turning dogfight performance than a Ki-84, but that shouldn't matter with all your skillz, right Tiger?
I hate to keep bringing this up, but I clearly remember you "laughing" at me when I pointed out that all aircraft have the same turn performance at the same airspeed and G-loading. A notion you found laughable but which turned out to be exactly in accordance with the laws of physics. What I"m saying is, my data indicates that there seems to be a direct correlation between you "laughing" at something I type on this forum and what I type turning out to be absolutely correct. :devil
This is a game that has been built to simulate flight physics and fighter combat with a great deal of fidelity. Logically then, there is much cross-over between what works for real fighters and and what works in Aces High. In the Aces High Main Arena, the situation usually involves groups of planes fighting with other groups of planes. Therefore, studying and applying wingman and section tactics to win these sorts of fights is just as logical as studying such aspects of real world fighter combat that apply to 1v1 fights in here, such as merges and pursuit courses. If you do not find multi-vs-multi tactics interesting and only find 1v1 combat to your taste, that is just fine but you can't blame your fellow players if they disagree with you on that.
sorry man didnt bother reading...already said I am done...includes with you.... :aok
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sorry man didnt bother reading...already said I am done...includes with you.... :aok
The old saw about playing chess with a pigeon comes to mind.
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^^^ Cannot read for comprehension. :rolleyes:
IDK i just watched the film and saw him get clubbed like a baby seal.
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It really needs repeating.
Look. Your boy got beat. Bad. No denying that either by you or him. He ran his mouth, as he'll do, and found out the hard way. The circumstance of it didn't change the outcome. What happened clearly happened. If you think your boy held back then say that--or better yet--let HIM say that. Then head back over to the DA and prove it. Filed under nut up or shut up. That's how it's done, not hiding behind some circumstance as an excuse. I don't see the "point" of pursuing this any further. It's only making YOU (and your squad) look worse, if possible. As a long time ,but now former, member of the Damned I implore you to please stop dragging such a historically great squad's name into the mud. Dolby's been part of this community for quite a long time. He's done plenty for this community. Hehe although he's got a rep of being a bit abrasive at times. You've been here about 20 minutes and think you're somehow gonna drag him down. It's laughable. No one here, if you haven't noticed, is coming to your defense outside of your squaddies who have an obvious slant on things.
It's OK man. He only died a VIRTUAL death. He's not really dead. No really. Get over it already. Sheesh.
I expect not to have to post in this thread again, or anyone else for that matter.
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IDK i just watched the film and saw him get clubbed like a baby seal.
^^^ Can't read. As previously noted.
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Last word: mofogasmic...
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^^^ Can't read. As previously noted.
Speaking of reading let's revisit your signature quote.
We don't care about established false conceptions of honorable tactics, fair chances, or flying for fun. We're here to kill. But if we lose forget everything I just said.
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Speaking of reading let's revisit your signature quote.
We don't care about established false conceptions of honorable tactics, fair chances, or flying for fun. We're here to kill. But if we lose forget everything I just said.
:rofl
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Speaking of reading let's revisit your signature quote.
We don't care about established false conceptions of honorable tactics, fair chances, or flying for fun. We're here to kill. But if we lose forget everything I just said.
:rofl :aok
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What is there left to say?
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Speaking of reading let's revisit your signature quote.
We don't care about established false conceptions of honorable tactics, fair chances, or flying for fun. We're here to kill. But if we lose forget everything I just said.
:rofl :aok
:rofl
My sig is quite clearly a reference to fights in the MA and not an arranged duel or training. Nice try. :rolleyes:
(Too many logical fallacies to address. Context is everything. An obvious challenge for you three.)
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What is there left to say?
As Mr. Peabody would say, "Quiet you."
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My sig is quite clearly a reference to fights in the MA and not an arranged duel or training. Nice try. :rolleyes:
(Too many logical fallacies to address. Context is everything. An obvious challenge for you three.)
It wasn't a refutation, it was just funny to see it as a tag line to all your posts in this thread. :D
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It wasn't a refutation, it was just funny to see it as a tag line to all your posts in this thread. :D
Guess I need to add more clarification brackets then......
:salute
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It wasn't a refutation, it was just funny to see it as a tag line to all your posts in this thread. :D
Hes still not PNGed, has to keep moving as long as he can :banana:
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Hes still not PNGed, has to keep moving as long as he can :banana:
1/10. Europe is so screwed.
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Pure luck that youre not on this screwed continent :aok
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A few things right now, maybe more later...after being up all damn morning after a couple of hours trying to have some "friendly furballing down in the canyons fighting" between my Damned squad and at my request, against the AOM!
I sincerely want to thank the AOM for helping me trying to give it ago... Had some fun fights AOM ( SkyRock, iko, violator and others ). A heart felt :<§>
Then, I logged and had a damn nearly 2 to 3 hr 3-way phone call this morning to discuss some important squad specific details ranging from PTERO ( PT ) our founding member of The Damned, back in Oct. 1987 through AW, WB, my starting the first ever Damned wing in FA pre 1.0 version and getting The Damned started there all while we were participating in damn near every flightsim, MMORPG, etc, with over 300+ members around the world...
Then, I have this thread brought to my attention... After reading through over 300+ post... I'm to ill and to damned tired to comment further...
I am the Damned AcesHigh CAG/CO .... and we are still here since AH beta '99 ....
Fulcrum, either put "Damned if we do, No fun if we don't!" or. "Teamwork Triumphs" as our Damned
squad motto's... or nothing else... «---- this goes for every other Damned squad member as well...
I need to sleep, got a scenario frame I got to fly in very shortly.... I might address this thread some more, maybe not...
I appreciative of your neutral non-biased posts, FLS .... Also thanks AkAk for your reply, sir!
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TC
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TC.
I have changed the motto. My appologes for the mistake as my sig was based on what I understood to be the squad motto. Changing it isn't a concern for me as I clearly do give a damn about a lot of things....my squadmates are one thing.. even though Ive only known them for a short time.
I also wish to apologize for landing kills during the canyon fight last night. It was disrespectful and I knew it. I was angry at the time...still angry..but this to shall pass. I should not have done it, however, and for that I am sorry.
My thanks to AOM for an entertaining and instructive evening. I enjoyed the fights and the lessons taught....tho I don't think they will have the effect you intended.
Congrats to Bear for his win over me after we were able to work through the ˝ndersandings˝. I admit I was initially very confused and nonplused at the RoEs not being those i remember from the various dueling ladders and one off 1v1s ive :salute particpated in in the past i.e. your initially being off my base and engaging my plane rift after take off, having a good number of your squad present flying around me during our engagement and your initial refusal to change to the plane I specified after I lost the first round.
I'm sure having your entire squad present during the initial attempts to engage in our duel was thrilling and will be considered instructive for others who wish to duel you and your fine squad in the future. That said, once w :salutee were able to work through these you won the two fights fair and square. I look forward to the next duel. I will be sure to stipulate the RoE clearly for you next time. I will think on this during my vacation this week.
A salute to the Muppets. The most honorable of squads. :salute
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A salute to the Muppets. The most honorable of squads. :salute
rofl, im seriously considering that youre midway.
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With all due respect fulcrum, you know how AOM da and you know that we duel at the same base and ONLY 1v1. You know that there is no way that we would ever step into
another fight...ever. We were not "flying around you" we were having our own fights and you guys were off to one side. But no matter, Bear was nice enough to meet you at
a base of your choice with your alt and your rules with the plane that you call your own. Congrats Bear and :salute Fulcrum.
As for landing kills in a "friendly" fight. I guess because the Muppets took it as disrespectful they decided to land some back. Not in the best taste but I am sure they apologize
for landing twice as many as you guys did.
:salute To all that put up a good fight, it was fun.
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24 Pages and counting :banana:
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With all due respect fulcrum, you know how AOM da and you know that we duel at the same base and ONLY 1v1. You know that there is no way that we would ever step into
another fight...ever. We were not "flying around you" we were having our own fights and you guys were off to one side. But no matter, Bear was nice enough to meet you at
a base of your choice with your alt and your rules with the plane that you call your own. Congrats Bear and :salute Fulcrum.
As for landing kills in a "friendly" fight. I guess because the Muppets took it as disrespectful they decided to land some back. Not in the best taste but I am sure they apologize
for landing twice as many as you guys did.
:salute To all that put up a good fight, it was fun.
It was a fun fight, and I wasn't aware of etiquette of not landing kills in the DA, not that I care what the established etiquette is. If it was against the rules HTC would probably have disabled it. That being said fun fights in a 9v5 (+ 3 others not in The Damned, -S- to them) It actually gave me a great idea for some squad vs squad set ups that I will expand on later if people are up for it.
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24 Pages and counting :banana:
This is madness. :old:
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It was a fun fight, and I wasn't aware of etiquette of not landing kills in the DA, not that I care what the established etiquette is. If it was against the rules HTC would probably have disabled it. That being said fun fights in a 9v5 (+ 3 others not in The Damned, -S- to them) It actually gave me a great idea for some squad vs squad set ups that I will expand on later if people are up for it.
There is no rule, just etiquette when we are all there just for fun.
As for 9v5, some muppets were not flying or only flew when others were afk. We tried to keep the numbers as fair as possible.
:salute Kruel
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Good Morning/Day....... I posted out of kneejerk reaction to this thread last night/this morning being awake since 4:30 am yesterday and delirious... and I owe Fulcrum an apology for basically being an idiot and calling him out in public and as I posted earlier some others about what their signature had in it.....
I read it in a biased way, and should have subjectively read and took it in unbiasedly....... in which I did not do....
my apologies Fulcrum and to the other one...
Next, Thank you for your truly unneeded BS private messaging LCADolby... regarding your accusations of me flying under shades and being a griever running other players out of the game.......... Hell everyone knows that is really how TC rolls :rolleyes: ( good grief man, give it a rest, seriously! )
Dolby, you had ulterior motives to your youtube film verses your AH raw film.... it is there if anyone cares to really review it all......
and I don't have to stick up for anyone , they can handle themselves very well...
Thank You Pepprr for that conversation, I honestly and truly appreciate it , while we were flying in the DA last night I had fun, I'm happy my squaddies even pulled off and let me and Skyrock go atit 1 vs 1 in our -1 hogs. ...... :salute :cheers:
Dolby, as for helping someone, training or even give hints....... you don't do it being a 2 faced arsewipe being friendly on public channel, then laughing and joking about 5 - 0, 6-0, 7-0 etc to your squadmates or whoever you were with ..... That was appalling to watch that film and see crap like that..... I pray that you don't do that and are not doing that to all the others you have posted to to offer help to....... this community does not need crap like that!
I'm finished with this thread.......
Cheers, got to go fly Scenario Now!
TC
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TC, it is well documented how you roll. And the names of all those shades you've used to grief people into logging out of the game.
You have even openly admitted in another thread about it and even named them except a few you keep secret, apart from saying we (the community) thought it was Badboy, and you thanks us (the community) for the laughs.
Yes it is all there, included in the DA film is the film directly after I get downed in a F4U1, and which contains the lead up to the Duels.
Only when duelling competitively do I mention things on my squad channel, and anyone who has previously trained with me can request their films should they have any doubt.
All of my actual training sessions with people have not been preceded by smack talking and a good old fashioned DA call out. This was competitive throughout, Skyyr should count himself lucky I took pity on his flying and gave him tips how he could win.
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Thanks TC, and just to clear...
There is no "New" Damned ..there is just Damned..We know what the Damned stands for and while our methods might be different, the end result is that the squad comes before ANYONE else. We will defend ourselves and our squad mates with anything we can against anyone.
Damned if do, no fun if we don't!
We don't give a Damn!
Teamwork Triumphs!
We are The Damned. No one here, or their opinions or criticism, or cheapshot will ever change that....you all might as well get (re)used to it.
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Group hug! :D
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Group hug! :D
Enough of that Help and Training hippie BS! We all hate each other down here in the trenches in General Forums!
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Enough of that Help and Training hippie BS! We all hate each other down here in the trenches in General Forums!
:rofl
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Enough of that Help and Training hippie BS! We all hate each other down here in the trenches in General Forums!
Preach! :lol :aok
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Please carpet bomb all the BBS!
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Thank You Pepprr for that conversation, I honestly and truly appreciate it , while we were flying in the DA last night I had fun, I'm happy my squaddies even pulled off and let me and Skyrock go atit 1 vs 1 in our -1 hogs. ...... :salute :cheers:
TC
As I said TC, I don't have much of an opinion that I would like to share with you. Asking other members of the community and other Muppets is a better route.
:salute
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No need, TC. As I said, the fault was mine. :salute
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Enough of that Help and Training hippie BS! We all hate each other down here in the trenches in General Forums!
:)
Not really true.
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No need, TC. As I said, the fault was mine. :salute
There was no fault. Nobody told me I had to ditch my plane when damaged and out of ammo. Post it on the MOTD if that's the flipping rule. When TC squawked after I did it I started ditching so as not to offend the easily offended.
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There is no rule, just etiquette when we are all there just for fun.
Whatever.
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Enough of that Help and Training hippie BS! We all hate each other down here in the trenches in General Forums!
Group hug for backstabbing! :devil
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Pepprr:
I've never known any squad which uses this practice for challenged duels, but I am indeed aware of the Muppets practice to fight each other. I assumed that if I issued a challenge it would be handled as a private matter under the understood and established rules. My mistake. I also assumed we would fly the same plane off different bases at the same time as is the common practice. No doubt this was also my mistake. Should the community assume, going forward, that any Muppet challenged to fight a duel will do so with his entire squad present practicing and sending taunts on the all channel?, if so, let's make sure we state that clearly so the community as a whole (not just the Muppets and their 'afiliates') understand this clearly.
As to the landing of twice as many kills, I specifically told our squad after I landed the second series of kills along with Vraciu we shouldn't be doing so so we simply kept rearming until we finally died. I am rather proud of Vraciu going 7 and 1 for the night given he only has played the game for a few months. And he did so all while being challenged by the mighty Violator to duel a 1v1 at another base. Oh, by the way, would the canyon fight have paused if Vraciu had accepted, given what you have previously stated is the common Muppet practice?
Thanks for the information and your input. As always, it's very helpful. :salute
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25 pages :noid
EDIT *** 26 pages :lol
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25 pages :noid
EDIT *** 26 pages :lol
Go MOAT :D
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Enough of that Help and Training hippie BS! We all hate each other down here in the trenches in General Forums!
:confused: I'm shocked..just shocked by this accusation.
I hate no one. Im not aware that anyone in my squad hates the other party. I also have it on good authority that no one on thr other side hates anyone on our side as well...though the terms ˝intensely dislike˝ have come up from a few of the more .....ahhhh...'colorful' members of the loyal opposition. It makes me sad. :frown:
Well...ok...not really.
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Fulcrum, did you keep film of the duel between you and Bear?
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Fulcrum, did you keep film of the duel between you and Bear?
Why yes I did, Triton...or at least most of it. As I said I was somewhat irritated that bear initially refused to fight under standard dueling conventions that I deleted one inadverntly ...but my squad was present at another base practicing and I believe recorded the chat log on video. Ill be happy to send you what I have once I return from vacation if you wish. I'm sure a member of my squad could also produce the chat Did Bear film his side of the fight? Perhaps he could also produce the film from the moment he initially PMed me in the DA? This was, if memory serves "Up from 15˝.
Is there some dispute of the events? Were members of your squad present at the time of the first fight?
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I would love for someone (skyyr's girl friends) why skyrr got owned so hard in that film
My guess it was something like:
:furious :airplane: :ahand :cry
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I would love for someone (skyyr's girl friends) why skyrr got owned so hard in that film
My guess it was something like:
:furious :airplane: :ahand :cry
This will be about the time his cheerleader shows up to say that's not his flying style so it doesn't count or some BS like that.
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By the way.... Before anyone gets the wrong impression... I am not disputing the results of the fight. Bear beat me. I just would like some clarity on the following questions.
1. Prior to the restart of the fight, were members of the Muppets present and in the air between the same two airfields that Bear indicated we should fight from? [Note: I believe Pepprr' prior statements confirm this and I can as well)
2. Is this common practice for a DA duel (from a community standpint).
3. Is it common practice for the Muppets to require DA challenges to their squad members to be conducted in the virtual presence of other AoM squad' members aircraft. If so, does this provide the AoM member any advantages or create the appearance of a AoM advantage for any reasonable person?
4. Are these conditions something that are normally communicated to challengers, or simply understood. At what point are these communcated eg prior to match start?
5. Is it normal practice for a challenged duel between Muppets and members of other AH squads be conducted with Dissimilar aircraft as Bear initially stated. If so, I does this not introduce a no-one scenario for either side ie if the fight against is not fought same planes, same launch time and a common merge point between the two base one side can always claim unfair advantage over the other... Thus leaving the decision muddled.
6. Would any reasonable, disinterested party find these dueling conditions odd or unacceptable?
As for the films... Happy to produce what I can when I retuen. I simply ask these questions so the larger community
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This will be about the time his cheerleader shows up to say that's not his flying style so it doesn't count or some BS like that.
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By the way.... Before anyone gets the wrong impression... I am not disputing the results of the fight. Bear beat me. I just would like some clarity on the following questions.
1. Prior to the restart of the fight, were members of the Muppets present and in the air between the same two airfields that Bear indicated we should fight from? [Note: I believe Pepprr' prior statements confirm this and I can as well)
2. Is this common practice for a DA duel (from a community standpint).
3. Is it common practice for the Muppets to require DA challenges to their squad members to be conducted in the virtual presence of other AoM squad' members aircraft. If so, does this provide the AoM member any advantages or create the appearance of a AoM advantage for any reasonable person?
4. Are these conditions something that are normally communicated to challengers, or simply understood. At what point are these communcated eg prior to match start?
5. Is it normal practice for a challenged duel between Muppets and members of other AH squads be conducted with Dissimilar aircraft as Bear initially stated. If so, I does this not introduce a no-one scenario for either side ie if the fight against is not fought same planes, same launch time and a common merge point between the two base one side can always claim unfair advantage over the other... Thus leaving the decision muddled.
6. Would any reasonable, disinterested party find these dueling conditions odd or unacceptable?
As for the films... Happy to produce what I can when I retuen. I simply ask these questions so the larger community
As acting Muppet spokesman, I'll answer these.
1. I don't know. It sounds like there were though.
2. It happens.
3. It happens. No advantage unless it's Grizz and Kappa. They have a mind bridge similar to the dudes in that movie Pacific Rim.
4. Our legal department is in a bit of flux lately, so we apologize if some disclaimers were missed. However, the fine print says that if you see another red plane around you, it's understood that you understand.
5. I don't know.
6. No.
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There is no "New" Damned ..there is just Damned..We know what the Damned stands for and while our methods might be different, the end result is that the squad comes before ANYONE else. We will defend ourselves and our squad mates with anything we can against anyone.
Were is Bip screaming 'B-listers'??
Hey TC 8)
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hello old friend! good to see ya kappa!
missed ya last night in the DA,
and if you wasn't in the Pearl frame of the scenario today.......... man what a refreshing blast of excitement that ROC, Brooke, GhostDCB, Django and others put together for the community.....
this thread is a twisted brain fart wouldn't you say, LOL......
cheers
TC
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Did someone say 27 pages?
I will take 27 pages for $100 please.
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The Posts. They've stopped.
Stabilizer your rear deflectors, watch for enemy fighters!
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That is all I require. Thanks Triton and the rest for answering the questions. I suppose we must simply be patient until you tell us how to engage and under what rules....which are made up as you go along. I suppose we will need to make some of our own as well.
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That is all I require. Thanks Triton and the rest for answering the questions. I suppose we must simply be patient until you tell us how to engage and under what rules....which are made up as you go along. I suppose we will need to make some of our own as well.
Give it a rest dude.. rules are not made up as folks move along.. I wasn't there.. don't know what happened.. but usually when a bunch of folks get together they call their next fight as folks get close to one another.. if 2 want their own fight they meet in a agreed upon area from the same bases as the others, just off to the side.. That way they run into each other before running into someone else and get called to merge..
If I had to guess all these muppets flying around you watching you die were prolly engaged already in 1v1s.. hardly a sideline audience to your fight..
I've seen you fly in a couple of these get togethers... you know how it works.. stop playing a victim..
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27 Pages :banana:
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27 Pages :banana:
isnt it awesome? ;)
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Not all all, Kappa. No victim here. Just one who is curious as to why intentions and rules are rather... Flexible... When your group is involved. I'm not surprised. Simply curious.
Thanks so much for your reply. Have a great day!
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That is all I require. Thanks Triton and the rest for answering the questions. I suppose we must simply be patient until you tell us how to engage and under what rules....which are made up as you go along. I suppose we will need to make some of our own as well.
It was a cluster to be sure. They're such a vaunted outfit yet even getting a simple 1v1 right was beyond their grasp. :headscratch:
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Zowie. I got Rule 14'ed for some quotations yesterday - and it was appropriate, arguably.
I think Skuzzy is taking the Hockey Ref approach on this one... let 'em get it out of their systems.
This is like Ross the Boss versus Doug Glatt. I wish I had Lusche's Popcorn emoticon.
I agree. We can't discuss government policy, world politics, and a host of other shat like guns, but this has manage to go almost 400 posts? :headscratch:
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Can we get 28 pages by 3pm EST :cool:
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We're a vaunted outfit :rock
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We're a vaunted outfit :rock
Supposedly...
:rolleyes:
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We're a vaunted outfit :rock
Kewl.. :aok
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Supposedly...
:rolleyes:
You're the one that supposed it babe..
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By the way.... Before anyone gets the wrong impression... I am not disputing the results of the fight. Bear beat me. I just would like some clarity on the following questions.
1. Prior to the restart of the fight, were members of the Muppets present and in the air between the same two airfields that Bear indicated we should fight from? [Note: I believe Pepprr' prior statements confirm this and I can as well)
2. Is this common practice for a DA duel (from a community standpint).
3. Is it common practice for the Muppets to require DA challenges to their squad members to be conducted in the virtual presence of other AoM squad' members aircraft. If so, does this provide the AoM member any advantages or create the appearance of a AoM advantage for any reasonable person?
4. Are these conditions something that are normally communicated to challengers, or simply understood. At what point are these communcated eg prior to match start?
5. Is it normal practice for a challenged duel between Muppets and members of other AH squads be conducted with Dissimilar aircraft as Bear initially stated. If so, I does this not introduce a no-one scenario for either side ie if the fight against is not fought same planes, same launch time and a common merge point between the two base one side can always claim unfair advantage over the other... Thus leaving the decision muddled.
6. Would any reasonable, disinterested party find these dueling conditions odd or unacceptable?
As for the films... Happy to produce what I can when I retuen. I simply ask these questions so the larger community
My squad was already there dueling when you show up. No mention was made of a so called formal duel when you first mentioned it. I was under the impression it was just a friendly duel. So after killing you twice, once in a spit vs my niki lol, I let you pick the planes for our "formal" duel. You pick "your" plane the 110, a plane I never fly, and we do "your" best out of three. You died the first two sorties, duel over. So quit trying to make excuses or avoid the fact you got humiliated in "your" plane. No audience was needed or necessary. Oh, and btw having Skyrr in your plane isn't really part of a formal duel either, but it was fun knowing he was watching the whole thing. Now, if some how you had managed to win, you would be posting the video just as fast as you could and we all know it lol. I'm not that petty, but ya I did save the film. I figure I'd spare you that. You've been tormented enough. :D
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This is still going strong. :noid
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This is still going strong. :noid
I know right?
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It's because all the crazy people are in the same damned squad. nudge nudge wink wink say no more
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It was a cluster to be sure. They're such a vaunted outfit yet even getting a simple 1v1 right was beyond their grasp. :headscratch:
ikr?? like someone help me how many folks are in a 1v1... I just can't seem to get it... wish i was smawt as you'ins..
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Not all all, Kappa. No victim here. Just one who is curious as to why intentions and rules are rather... Flexible... When your group is involved. I'm not surprised. Simply curious.
Thanks so much for your reply. Have a great day!
poor guy.. we'll have something official drawn up for you next time.. k? k...
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Varciu im still waiting to hear why skyyr got so destroyed.
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28 Pages :banana:
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It's because all the crazy people are in the same damned squad. nudge nudge wink wink say no more
At least we don't have people jamming their hands up our backsides, muppet boy. Talk about crazy.
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You're the one that supposed it babe..
Hyperbole is lost on you. Next time I will type it in blue so you know it is sarcasm. :aok
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Varciu im still waiting to hear why skyyr got so destroyed.
You can't read for comprehension. Not my fault. *Shrug*
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Personally I am still amazed that TC, Skyyr, and Vraciu are all in the same squad. In all my encounters with TC ,whether flying with him or against him, he has never been anything but extremely humble and gracious win or lose, even when he has towered me in a couple turns :lol ,Skyyr or Vraciu have a habit of chest thumping and general smack talk (under the most ludicrous circumstances in some cases). Have any of you guys realized that the only ones coming to your defense are your squaddies? I don't believe MA style, dueling style, "friendly duels" vs "DA call out" have anything to do with why people are happy to hop in this thread to voice their opinion on your squad, I would willing to put money on the reason being the fact that the newest members of The Damned are viewed to be love muffines by a decent sized portion of the games community. I don't really know you guys, the only person from your squad I have flown with or against on more than a few occasions is TC. What I think Skyyr, Vraciu, and Kruel don't realize (though I think Fulcrum is well aware of ;) ) is that if any of the guys in this game that are known for smack talk got manhandled in the DA people would be just as happy to chime in. On a side note: If you are getting kills on someone when it is 2+ vs 1, from 10k+ over his head, or when he has just lifted then the smack talk on 200, your going to be thought of as a certain part of the male anatomy. Which leads us back to the reason I believe this thread has gone on to 28 pages.
And now...back to your regularly scheduled BBS Battle Royale! :devil
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Skyyr will need the hyperbolic time chamber once I am done with him.
He will feel like he is Goku and I am perfect Cell.
:lol
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I agree. We can't discuss government policy, world politics, and a host of other shat like guns, but this has manage to go almost 400 posts? :headscratch:
ABSOLUTELY
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poor guy.. we'll have something official drawn up for you next time.. k? k...
Appreciate it.
Let me ask you a question: Bear76 at first kept telling me to "Up what you want, it won't matter." as he was in his Niki and I was asking for "same plane".
If had just upped a A6M3, and beat him decicively three times in a row or whatever....and then gone on 200 crowing my victory to the heavens beating my chest....what do you suppose his reaction would have been?
What would yours, in similar circumstances?
How would your squad have reacted?
Do you feel that such a victory would have been tainted?
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28 Pages :banana:
Seriously?
edited for tact :D
please stop counting pages, a little unbecoming.
Wyatt Earp would say.... get to fightin or get away.
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Seriously?
Aren't you supposed to be Nav Acad?
Grow up. If this topic is so pathetic to you, why do you keep coming in here and what do you think you are accomplishing "couting pages?"
Because it's funny
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Because it's funny
The fight is entertaining, not the counting.
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Why not be adult enough to let your own flying/game playin abilities, wingman skills in the appropriate arenas or events, your bfm/acm SKILLZ!... Be enough and leave any type of chest thumping and smack talkin to those with the ego chips on their shoulders to eventually figure out what its really all about?
TC
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Sometimes I wonder if this game wouldn't actually be better if 9/10ths of this damn bbs did not exsist
TC
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Why not be adult enough to let your own flying/game playin abilities, wingman skills in the appropriate arenas or events, your bfm/acm SKILLZ!... Be enough and leave any type of chest thumping and smack talkin to those with the ego chips on their shoulders to eventually figure out what its really all about?
TC
Actually TC I completely agree with you. I'm not invalidating anyone's victory. I have an honest concern I'd like to explore. Perhaps a new post in General Discussion is in order.... This thread is very long.
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Sometimes I wonder if this game wouldn't actually be better if 9/10ths of this damn bbs did not exsist
TC
I agree with that as well.
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Fulcrum,
I was posting in general... Of my own personal thoughts and view of the game and the ah bbs
TC
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At least we don't have people jamming their hands up our backsides, muppet boy. Talk about crazy.
:lol
I'm not AoM
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The fight is entertaining, not the counting.
Do people not know what a Summer is?
I spent all school year STUDYING and doing PT and drilling and swimming. I have a Summer Seminar in July, don't worry I won't be around much longer.
Didn't know it was against the law to have a break from books and PT (although I run 8 mi everyday).
I am sorry you are offended by my page counting of this altercation. If it makes you feel better I will stop, didn't know such little things annoyed people.
I really hope I don't grow up to be grumpy all the time like 80% of the AH community.
If you would like to follow my career at the Academy PM me and I will gladly send you a link in which you could keep up with my future endeavors.
Seriously?
edited for tact :D
please stop counting pages, a little unbecoming.
Wyatt Earp would say.... get to fightin or get away.
Really do appreciate your attempt at one of the fourteen leadership traits, tact. Tact is a great thing once it is mastered, I am still working on it.
Is there ever really an easy way to tell someone to shut up? :rolleyes:
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I am sorry you are offended by my page counting of this altercation. If it makes you feel better I will stop,
what gets me is that y'all keep saying 26 pages, or 28 pages etc....
I am only showing this to be 426 posted replies and the opening post = 427 total
and this is just page # 6 on my computer ( er - AH BBS account setup )..... someone doesn't know how to count...
Cheers & Wish you the best at the Naval academy!
TC
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Can we get 30 pages?
:bolt:
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what gets me is that y'all keep saying 26 pages, or 28 pages etc....
I am only showing this to be 426 posted replies and the opening post = 427 total
and this is just page # 6 on my computer ( er - AH BBS account setup )..... someone doesn't know how to count...
Cheers & Wish you the best at the Naval academy!
TC
That's because you changed the number of posts per page in your profile settings to 100. The default is 15 posts per page so it shows 29 pages as of now.
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Is there ever really an easy way to tell someone to shut up? :rolleyes:
First ask yourself if it's actually your job. If it is say "shut up". :aok
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:lol
I'm not AoM
Who woulda' thunk it? The 'tude is identical! :banana: Perhaps yer the muppet puppeteer? :rofl
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Personally I am still amazed that TC, Skyyr, and Vraciu are all in the same squad. In all my encounters with TC ,whether flying with him or against him, he has never been anything but extremely humble and gracious win or lose, even when he has towered me in a couple turns :lol ,Skyyr or Vraciu have a habit of chest thumping and general smack talk (under the most ludicrous circumstances in some cases). Have any of you guys realized that the only ones coming to your defense are your squaddies? I don't believe MA style, dueling style, "friendly duels" vs "DA call out" have anything to do with why people are happy to hop in this thread to voice their opinion on your squad, I would willing to put money on the reason being the fact that the newest members of The Damned are viewed to be love muffines by a decent sized portion of the games community. I don't really know you guys, the only person from your squad I have flown with or against on more than a few occasions is TC. What I think Skyyr, Vraciu, and Kruel don't realize (though I think Fulcrum is well aware of ;) ) is that if any of the guys in this game that are known for smack talk got manhandled in the DA people would be just as happy to chime in. On a side note: If you are getting kills on someone when it is 2+ vs 1, from 10k+ over his head, or when he has just lifted then the smack talk on 200, your going to be thought of as a certain part of the male anatomy. Which leads us back to the reason I believe this thread has gone on to 28 pages.
And now...back to your regularly scheduled BBS Battle Royale! :devil
A sizable portion? Do present the statistical evidence to back this wild claim. Please. :aok
As for chest thumping, I rarely write anything unless it is to tease my friends on the other side--they're in on the joke. :cheers: Heck, most of the time 200 is off. The egos are annoying. (I used to tweak Violator at every opportunity, though, but that's because he never accepted being shot down for what it was/is--being shot down. So when he whined on 200 I poked him with a stick just a little. That was months ago...but no longer.)
You're right though you don't know us. I think you would get along with us just fine if you did, though. :salute
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A sizable portion? Do present the statistical evidence to back this wild claim. Please. :aok
It is a sizable portion of the community. Listing the names would be violating their right to anonymity.
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You can't read for comprehension. Not my fault. *Shrug*
Explain to me master of suckage!
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Appreciate it.
Let me ask you a question: Bear76 at first kept telling me to "Up what you want, it won't matter." as he was in his Niki and I was asking for "same plane".
If had just upped a A6M3, and beat him decicively three times in a row or whatever....and then gone on 200 crowing my victory to the heavens beating my chest....what do you suppose his reaction would have been?
What would yours, in similar circumstances?
How would your squad have reacted?
Do you feel that such a victory would have been tainted?
wait.. I get it.. It was plane choice that lead to the results.. If you wanted same plane you coulda upped a niki too.. As you already know, thats how these events usually go.. Dissimilar plane fights are among the best.. or up anything you want.. Like he said.. just beat him in a niki..
But while we are in what if land.. If I were you next time I'd up the last starfighter.. fly out and deathblossom everyone at the same time.. only way to be sure..
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wait.. I get it.. It was plane choice that lead to the results.. If you wanted same plane you coulda upped a niki too.. As you already know, thats how these events usually go.. Dissimilar plane fights are among the best.. or up anything you want.. Like he said.. just beat him in a niki..
But while we are in what if land.. If I were you next time I'd up the last starfighter.. fly out and deathblossom everyone at the same time.. only way to be sure..
You are again missing my point, but I think I have enough now.
And I did attempt to beat him in a Niki. I lost the first match and he would not change to my requested plane. Once again the Muppet forum tactic of attempting to twist the discussion away from uncomfortable topics (for them).
We can let it rest for now. I'm sure an opportunity will come up to bring it up later.
Oh.. Bear. Your implications I had Skyyr in my cockpit are not only out of line but baseless. He was not. I'm sure I could the same about you and Dedalos, but that would be over the top to suggest. I'll be sure to stipulate the conditions of our duel in a few weeks so their is no confusion. If you choose to do Dissimilar I'm OK with that.
Thanks so much.
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Explain to me master of suckage!
Put down that mirror before you break it!
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I've seen two instances of explaining away ones suckage in this thread. What's the record? We should go for that I think.
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Do people not know what a Summer is?
I spent all school year STUDYING and doing PT and drilling and swimming.
And yet you are here making unimaginative and useless posts in a thread you seem to feel is beneath your superior intellect.
I have a Summer Seminar in July, don't worry I won't be around much longer.
Gonna miss those fascinating pages counts!
(although I run 8 mi everyday).
More worthless info?
I really hope I don't grow up to be grumpy all the time like 80% of the AH community.
I just hope you DO grow up before someone gives you the keys to the weapons locker.
If you would like to follow my career at the Academy PM me and I will gladly send you a link in which you could keep up with my future endeavors.
No thanks, just more worthless information I don't care to hear, your posts are enough to dash hope for the future.
Is there ever really an easy way to tell someone to shut up? :rolleyes:
Well at least now I know my way didn't work.
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WHO CARES!!!! please Nuke thread!
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Who woulda' thunk it? The 'tude is identical! :banana: Perhaps yer the muppet puppeteer? :rofl
(http://www.feelsengine.com/var/albums/Facepalm/Jesus%20Facepalm.jpg?m=1383925274)
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Skuzzy! Stop this! ... please.
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Skuzzy! Stop this! ... please.
Hitech has been doing that recently, haven't seen skuzzy lock a thread or edit a post in a week or 2.
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Hitech has been doing that recently, haven't seen skuzzy lock a thread or edit a post in a week or 2.
Maybe he has reached the ban limit for this year during the Bloody April.
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(http://www.feelsengine.com/var/albums/Facepalm/Jesus%20Facepalm.jpg?m=1383925274)
I know... The Jay-zus Facepalm of death... That's even worse than the Godzirra facepalm:
(http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Godzilla_6d9bd2_1840203.jpg)
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:lol
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Fulcrum <S> for taking it like a man. You showed up, you fought. You have to like that about anyone.
TC - you'll make the right call, no matter what the results. An in depth historical assessment can be obtained from Simon. He's one of the best guys in this game, bar none and has no deception in him.
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Maybe he has reached the ban limit for this year during the Bloody April.
I'm afraid to laugh...
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WHO CARES!!!! please Nuke thread!
(http://www.cufon.org/cufon/malmstrom/lgm_30.gif)
15 minutes hoss :)
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Am I late? :(
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Am I late? :(
Yes. Debrody drank all the beer and I took all the women.
Sorry bro. :frown:
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:O If all the Women went to you then where is the good looking girls? :D
Someone want to fill me in on this debacle?
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:O If all the Women went to you then where is the good looking girls? :D
Someone want to fill me in on this debacle?
It's the internet. They're all good looking. :)
The video posted on page 1 is really all you need to watch to understand.
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It had Dolby in it I don't need to watch it!! :D :D :bolt:
Personally I ran into Skyyr a few times within the past week and it really didn't matter to him whether it was a fair fight or not he continued to fight sometimes even after going from a pretty even sided fight to a not so even fight he stayed when he could of run but he stayed and fought so no matter the dispute between ya both I would just like to say a big salute to both Dolby and Skyyr because you are both pretty decent sticks and you both enjoy the fights for what they are not just some random lemming who is only goal is getting those next 5 easy picks or whatever the normal MA lemming does today.
:salute :salute
End the Drama and prove the smack talk in the MA and leave it there! :aok
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It had Dolby in it I don't need to watch it!! :D :D :bolt:
Personally I ran into Skyyr a few times within the past week and it really didn't matter to him whether it was a fair fight or not he continued to fight sometimes even after going from a pretty even sided fight to a not so even fight he stayed when he could of run but he stayed and fought so no matter the dispute between ya both I would just like to say a big salute to both Dolby and Skyyr because you are both pretty decent sticks and you both enjoy the fights for what they are not just some random lemming who is only goal is getting those next 5 easy picks or whatever the normal MA lemming does today.
:salute :salute
End the Drama and prove the smack talk in the MA and leave it there! :aok
Let the pages continue to pile up. :old:
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It had Dolby in it I don't need to watch it!! :D :D :bolt:
Personally I ran into Skyyr a few times within the past week and it really didn't matter to him whether it was a fair fight or not he continued to fight sometimes even after going from a pretty even sided fight to a not so even fight he stayed when he could of run but he stayed and fought so no matter the dispute between ya both I would just like to say a big salute to both Dolby and Skyyr because you are both pretty decent sticks and you both enjoy the fights for what they are not just some random lemming who is only goal is getting those next 5 easy picks or whatever the normal MA lemming does today.
:salute :salute
End the Drama and prove the smack talk in the MA and leave it there! :aok
huh? :lol
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It had Dolby in it I don't need to watch it!! :D :D :bolt:
Bone comes out swinging.
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:rofl
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Wish: to unsubscribe to threads...everyday this thing still here, going no where, just as it did for the last 25 pages
^ has already been wished for...no use putting it up
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huh? :lol
I think he said something that made sense and he experienced first hand instead of just talking and not flying (at least openly). Either way it made sense, so you wouldn't understand.
Lol. Last post I promise! :lol
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I think he said something that made sense and he experienced first hand instead of just talking and not flying (at least openly). Either way it made sense, so you wouldn't understand.
Lol. Last post I promise! :lol
We have no idea of the context of what DrBone claims to have seen. Therefore, it is inadmissible in this thread.
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I think he said something that made sense and he experienced first hand instead of just talking and not flying (at least openly). Either way it made sense, so you wouldn't understand.
Lol. Last post I promise! :lol
He has seen what he has seen and i have seen what i have seen. Little soldier of the almighty master, actually im having a good fun on you, trying to legitimize your total lack of skills and fighting spirit :lol
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Bone comes out swinging.
Swing and a miss.
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Nice PM rant and block there Fulcrum. lol
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After dueling Skyyr a bit the other night, I think a rematch is in store. :aok
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You guys still doing the whole late night DA thing ?
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After dueling Skyyr a bit the other night, I think a rematch is in store. :aok
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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You guys still doing the whole late night DA thing ?
I try to get on and catch some of em in the DA, bone...
Sometimes Changeup will post/host a get together and a bunch will go do some of those fun "death canyon fights"... Or just like old days meet at a regular old 0k/sea level alt. Or 2k alt. Field....
And we just all tune to same 2** vox channel and split up for some dissimilar and/or similar planes type fights, like we used to do...
<§>
TC
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First rule 4 wood shampoos appearing... right about now...
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its supposed to reduce torque pull from the engine, but in my experience working the throttle is much more convenient and has the same effect.
yeah--vudu15 says it's better to chop throttle,than kill engine.