General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ink on June 15, 2015, 02:23:41 PM
Title: speak out
Post by: ink on June 15, 2015, 02:23:41 PM
or dont...be a coward...... if you dont at least try to stop them you are just as guilty as them....
sadly Steve Irwin is no longer with us to speak out....
I Love you Steve..... a rare man who I hold above most.....
Endangered species, caged in fright Shot in cold blood, no chance to fight The stage is set, now pay the price And ego boost, don't think twice
Technology, the battle's unfair You pull the hammer without a care Squeeze the trigger that makes you man Pseudo-safari, the hunt is canned The hunt is canned
All are gone, all but one No contest, nowhere to run No more left, only one This is it, this is the countdown to extinction
Tell the truth, you wouldn't dare The skin and trophy, oh, so rare Silence speaks louder than words Ignore the guilt and take your turn
Liars anagram is lairs Man you were never even there Killed a few feet from the cages Point blank, you're so courageous So courageous
All are gone, all but one No contest, nowhere to run No more left, only one This is it, this is the countdown to extinction
One hour from now Another species of life form Will disappear off the face of the planet Forever and the rate is accelerating
All are gone, all but one No contest, nowhere to run No more left, only one This is it, this is the countdown to extinction
the anger I am feeling right now is Hot....
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: zack1234 on June 15, 2015, 04:59:03 PM
:)
One day there will be nothing left. :)
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: Reaper90 on June 15, 2015, 05:16:54 PM
Amen, brother.
I consider myself a hunter 2nd, and a conservationist first. I will NEVER kill something that I don't intend to be food for my family, and loathe trophy hunting. The first is a part of nature, the 2nd? sickness as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by: FLOOB on June 15, 2015, 05:37:46 PM
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: ink on June 15, 2015, 06:58:34 PM
See Rule #14
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: guncrasher on June 15, 2015, 08:11:43 PM
ink, take a deep breath. rage is killing you, let it go.
semp
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: Ripsnort on June 15, 2015, 08:12:20 PM
See Rule #6
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: Meatwad on June 15, 2015, 08:27:13 PM
Id personally keep my bellybutton far away from stunninghunks, otherwise it will be just like the actual real ending to the twilight movie franchise without isabella, brokeback mountain style
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: Ripsnort on June 15, 2015, 09:04:54 PM
Id personally keep my bellybutton far away from stunninghunks, otherwise it will be just like the actual real ending to the twilight movie franchise without isabella, brokeback mountain style
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
I need to put you on my Retirement Tour list Meatwad. We think alike. LOL! What state do you live in?
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: Skyyr on June 15, 2015, 09:05:51 PM
a rage boils inside of me when I see or hear the insane cruelty of man....
cruelty was here long before the first man , watch the dinos teeth; life in the ocean, starts from Solar energy and from there a chain of slaughter and about same on dry land; (http://media-1.web.britannica.com/eb-media/96/90496-004-7C160AA5.jpg)
eternal fight between positive and the contrary of the positive, this fight didn't even start here, was brought here with us; but I believe will end soon; (https://fallingintowonderland.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/the-beginning-is-near.jpg)
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: Hajo on June 17, 2015, 12:07:12 AM
I agree...............we've done some horrendous things to animals.
But do you know what is worse? The supposedly most intelligent being on this planets' treatment of his fellow man.
Wars...........many of them where genocide was performed, and we worry about what we do to animals.
When animals kill they do so to survive. When wars are started by members of mankind.......... they kill because they can.
Who is smarter?
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: Scherf on June 17, 2015, 12:18:37 AM
Hey man, once raccoons start riding alligators we're all doo
man not post more move long not to see here
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: PR3D4TOR on June 17, 2015, 12:40:48 PM
Some animals need to be exterminated :aok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0qwlokpnk0
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: Hetzer7 on June 17, 2015, 01:13:18 PM
See Rule #6
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Post by: danny76 on June 17, 2015, 01:56:14 PM
Yep, comfortably on the bandwagon as well. Don't always agree with Ink but in this instance I wholeheartedly concur :old:
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: ink on June 17, 2015, 01:58:18 PM
cruelty was here long before the first man , watch the dinos teeth; life in the ocean, starts from Solar energy and from there a chain of slaughter and about same on dry land; (http://media-1.web.britannica.com/eb-media/96/90496-004-7C160AA5.jpg)
eternal fight between positive and the contrary of the positive, this fight didn't even start here, was brought here with us; but I believe will end soon; (https://fallingintowonderland.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/the-beginning-is-near.jpg)
if some are over taking the territory such as the Hogs down south that is different...but indigenous species such as the wolf/Coyote need to be protected!!!!
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: PR3D4TOR on June 17, 2015, 02:04:32 PM
Coyotes are pests. Varmint.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: ink on June 17, 2015, 02:09:40 PM
Tell that to the fans and family of Taylor Mitchell. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/coyotes-kill-toronto-singer-in-cape-breton-1.779304
Anyone who thinks coyotes are "beautiful," "innocent," or anything other than a pest has spent way too much time watching Animal Planet and getting teary-eyed. They are destructive pests out in the real world.
I'd post pictures of what coyotes do to livestock, pets, and even children, if it wouldn't be breaking forum rules. It ain't pretty. Coyotes are terribly destructive pests that wound and maim without regard. They also typically hunt in packs, so while one coyote may seem implausible as a threat, people fail to realize they typically hunt in large numbers, overpowering much larger animals (such as sheep, cows, and even pets), and sometimes even people, and maiming them to death.
It's sad how delusional our society has become due to selective, kid-friendly broadcasting of "reality" animal shows (such as "cuddly" polar bears) and anthropomorphism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropomorphism).
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: PR3D4TOR on June 17, 2015, 03:48:48 PM
Ink, you had better be a vegan. My hypocrisy sonar is getting some mighty big returns...
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: FLOOB on June 17, 2015, 04:09:55 PM
Damn Skyrr, way to reinforce everyone's bad opinion of you.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: ink on June 17, 2015, 04:17:53 PM
See Rule #14
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: PR3D4TOR on June 17, 2015, 04:32:36 PM
See Rule #14
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: Skyyr on June 17, 2015, 04:34:14 PM
Notice that many of the attacks had multiple coyotes attacking a single person. And those are just people. Do a Google image search of "coyotes attack sheep" and "coyotes attack livestock" if you want to see some graphic images of what they do on a near-daily basis.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: MiloMorai on June 17, 2015, 05:20:24 PM
When wolves were put back in Yellowstone, the coyotes began to disappear.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: ink on June 17, 2015, 05:42:10 PM
See Rule #14
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Post by: PR3D4TOR on June 17, 2015, 05:49:46 PM
(http://rack.3.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE1LzAzLzEwLzRjL21pbm1pY3JvcGlnLmY1ODk0LmpwZwpwCXRodW1iCTk1MHg1MzQjCmUJanBn/8a7c8365/38a/min-micro-pig-for-sale_c.jpg) + time =(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/2829640/frying-bacon-o.gif)
Interesting no?
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: Meatwad on June 17, 2015, 06:10:19 PM
Yummy
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: FLOOB on June 17, 2015, 06:39:36 PM
I'm a vegetarian and I'm an avid hunter. You've got to realize that animals, like women, were put on this earth for man's utility and amusement. That's just the way it is. Don't like it? Get a sex change.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: Triton28 on June 17, 2015, 06:53:26 PM
The most accomplished hunter in my house isn't me. My 6 lbs., black and white, never spent a day in the wild cat will kill anything that walks, crawls, flies, or slithers through my yard. She doesn't need to kill anything... she's well fed and always plenty to drink. She likes to hunt and kill. She usually doesn't kill it quickly either... kinda likes to play with it a bit before dragging it to the back door so she can show it off to me as a trophy, where I pick it up and bury it so she doesn't bring it back. She usually looks pissed, following me and meowing like she's arguing for me to reconsider. I tell her to shut it and I start digging a little grave in some place where my grass already sucks. I like to think of myself as a lot more humane than her, honestly.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: PR3D4TOR on June 17, 2015, 07:06:46 PM
So she goes back out on the hunt to get a better trophy for you. If she can get a really impressive kill, perhaps you will be proud of her.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 17, 2015, 07:11:34 PM
Wrong. Studies have shown that we are not the only primates that can engage in cruelty, these traits have been widely observed and recorded while studying chimps and bonobos.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: Frodo on June 17, 2015, 07:21:40 PM
cruelty was here long before the first man , watch the dinos teeth; life in the ocean, starts from Solar energy and from there a chain of slaughter and about same on dry land; (http://media-1.web.britannica.com/eb-media/96/90496-004-7C160AA5.jpg)
eternal fight between positive and the contrary of the positive, this fight didn't even start here, was brought here with us; but I believe will end soon; (https://fallingintowonderland.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/the-beginning-is-near.jpg)
Ghi what is the picture of the man on the ladder? Almost looks like a Banksy but probably not? :cheers:
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: PR3D4TOR on June 17, 2015, 07:24:14 PM
Cruelty, as in indifference to suffering... Mankind can't hold a candle to the rest of nature. That's what believers found the most disturbing and objectionable about Darwin's theories and scientific findings. Not evolution itself, but that nature is such a horrible place where everything living is constantly miserable, hungry and afraid. Only relieved by a horrible death.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: ghi on June 17, 2015, 08:38:06 PM
See Rule #14
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Post by: Volron on June 17, 2015, 09:17:52 PM
Compared to hogs, Coyotes are saints. :noid
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: Ripsnort on June 17, 2015, 09:49:11 PM
Wrong. Studies have shown that we are not the only primates that can engage in cruelty, these traits have been widely observed and recorded while studying chimps and bonobos.
Primates even show traits of territorial-ism and cannibalism.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: eddiek on June 18, 2015, 12:32:41 AM
I grew up in the country on a farm. Each year we hunted dove, quail, and duck. Ate what we killed. Only participated one hunt where a lot of dove were taken, but all were eaten. If coyotes became a threat to our livestock or our pets, be it from overpopulation or whatever reason, we dealt with them. Did it out of necessity, not for fun. We raised our livestock to eat..........coyotes or other animals wanna become competition for our food, they got dealt with. I have seen times where others would hunt the coyotes for fun, with guns or dogs. My dad isn't a strict conservationist, nor a nature lover, but said hunters were told to stay off our land. Overhunting of coyotes, bobcats, etc., usually saw a big increase the following year in rabbits and other animals that loved to eat your crops. Our opinion was to only eliminate those animals that were threatening our operation, not shoot just any coyote or bobcat just because we could. They have their role in nature and in the food chain....lower their numbers and animals lower down the food chain increase in number and THEY become the problem. Didn't encounter a lot of feral hogs in our part of the county, but I knew guys who went hunting them all the time. Some said they made decent meat, others did it just to say they killed a hog. For our part, I don't feel the need to, nor will I ever apologize for the animals we killed, for food purposes or when they were a threat. We did what we had to do to either eat or protect our animals. Your mileage may vary............
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 18, 2015, 12:44:06 AM
yeah but when is the last time you had coyote bacon?
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: ink on June 18, 2015, 03:55:19 AM
See Rule #4
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Post by: BuckShot on June 18, 2015, 07:08:25 AM
The only animals I kill and don't eat are porcupines.
I take about one every few years when they set up shop in trees next to the house.
It breaks my heart to do it, but I do it for my dog. They are neat animals, but the outcome of porcupine-dog encounters, not so neat.
I agree that killing purely for sport is lame.
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Post by: JunkyII on June 18, 2015, 07:12:56 AM
My buddy that lives near Lake Tahoe got ambushed by some coyotes on a walk with his dog....luckily he had a 120 pound German Shepherd backing him up when he smashed their heads in with a rock. He carries a big stick now...and a knife.
Oh and there are plenty of animals that can get killed and not be eaten...look at what Snake heads are doing.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 18, 2015, 07:27:30 AM
The world and everything as you know works in a cycle.
Cycles are the way of life. They are the way of change, misfortune, and consequences, or, happiness, prosperity, and greatfulnes. The world and the universe is consistent with cycles that work over and over again for millions and billions of years. Cycles and mutations in cycles create adaptation, strength, understanding, and other phenomenons in species that allow them to achieve survival and more importantly reproduction. Cycles are the way of life but they have much importance to everything on this planet: Night and day, the kreb and protien cycles, the water cycle, it works for the biggest things and the tiniest things in the universe. Species have been around and survived way longer than humans, some will even continue to live longer than us. It is a natural misconception that humans have that we are the smartest and best adapted for this world.
We can all do what we can to be good people and good in society, but defining that is difficult. Some people think you have to have religion to be a good person, or to morally appreciate other people, but religion did create a sense of morality and was the guidestones to creating a peaceful state with laws and the idea of going to heaven and hell. That being said, we can see obvious discrepancies in the bible that are not moral and are very extreme, so by that it is in our nature to be evil and selfish, and kill and change, for your understanding of good or bad. The idea of a moralistic society can and has been debated for centuries. Free will and determinism, Faith, Education, destruction, and ideologies like these are what have changed society into a much more ethical and rational society. Today, believe it or not, we live in a much more peaceful, educated, clean, and technologically smart society. The media is the underlying factor that spreads hated, drama, and misconception in our society. Whether this is helping to ease the corruption, or only making people heated to the extreme to commit crimes of revenge, that is up to debate. Stay away from the media's dispicable perception of dogma, it will make you a happier person.
When you combined the concept of morality, like what is good and what is bad, what is ethical, what is irrational, you will get a million different responses and ideologies. This has been debated for centuries. Fortunately for most humans, and some other animals, we posses empathy and feelings. We attempt to save hundreds of species every year. There are a hundred different organizations that preserve wildlife and animals. There are also thousands of hunters, some are moral and some are sinful, against a law of code and ethics that people have created simply because they feel empathy for them, something we dont even know if other animals can feel. It is a cycle just like everything else. These people are free to do what they want despite the ultimate consequence, they are good or bad in their own minds, despite the laws against them. But nature doesnt care about good and evil. Nature doesn't have empahty or feelings. So we must fear it, and respect it, and adapt to it. We cannot chose which animals go extinct, we can only attempt to stop it from happining. But if they cannot adapt to survive in the world, the will inevitably go extinct. That is just they way of life.
The earth has been through 5 great extinctions. 5!!! In an instant, everything you know could be wiped away. There is no morality and no rationale to it. The earth is a powerful place. The only thing we can do is survive in it, adapt to live longer, and convince other people to have a moralistic ideals to preserve the peace we dream to concur in the world. It is a complicated world out there. If you just focus on yourself, forget the news, forget all the bad things people want you to know about, and just worry about what's going on around you. You will be much happier as a human being on this planet.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 18, 2015, 09:50:57 AM
The most accomplished hunter in my house isn't me. My 6 lbs., black and white, never spent a day in the wild cat will kill anything that walks, crawls, flies, or slithers through my yard. She doesn't need to kill anything... she's well fed and always plenty to drink. She likes to hunt and kill. She usually doesn't kill it quickly either... kinda likes to play with it a bit before dragging it to the back door so she can show it off to me as a trophy, where I pick it up and bury it so she doesn't bring it back. She usually looks pissed, following me and meowing like she's arguing for me to reconsider. I tell her to shut it and I start digging a little grave in some place where my grass already sucks. I like to think of myself as a lot more humane than her, honestly.
I've recently read that this isn't a trophy from your cat. It is actually trying to teach YOU how to hunt for prey. Basically, the cat wants to provide for and teach its offspring to hunt for prey. It sees you as its next of ken, sorta speak, and does this out of pure natural phenomenon of teaching its family to hunt. Cats are some of the most predatorial species on the planet. You can see in there ways just how well they have learned to hunt.
Survival without an easy way to get food and necessities makes moralistic behavior and empathy toward things a lot lower, causing animals to do things they wouldn't rationally do in order survive.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: ink on June 18, 2015, 12:56:57 PM
See Rule #14
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Post by: PR3D4TOR on June 18, 2015, 01:09:43 PM
Pests are killed because they are a nuisance and/or damage property. Doesn't really matter if they're mosquitoes or coyotes.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: ink on June 18, 2015, 01:20:53 PM
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Post by: PR3D4TOR on June 18, 2015, 02:14:04 PM
Buffalo jumps have been found all over the country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_jump
The Indians believed that if some animals escaped the trap they would learn to avoid them, so they killed whole herds at a time. Much more than they could possibly use or preserve.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: ink on June 18, 2015, 02:25:52 PM
:rofl :rofl
dude seriously
dont believe everything you read
even if they did kill lots at a time...The Indians killed what they needed....not only that but everything of that animal went to use....they wasted Nothing that could be used...
it was white man that destroyed the Buffalo....they skinned them and left them on the plains to rot....by the thousands...
to try to say the Indians are even remotely close to the white man in destruction of the earth is a straight out lie....or someone so full of Koolaid it is breaking their brain.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: PR3D4TOR on June 18, 2015, 02:31:50 PM
I'm sorry, but I think it is you who need to do some reading. And from more than just one book...
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: ink on June 18, 2015, 02:41:51 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: PR3D4TOR on June 18, 2015, 02:47:42 PM
See Rule #4
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Post by: Ack-Ack on June 18, 2015, 03:14:19 PM
that's priceless coming from a guy trying to say the Indians were like the white man when talking about the treatment of Buffalo's....
The myth of the Indian not having an impact on wild life due to their hunting is purely a myth. There is ample archeological evidence that native inhabitants have had a significant impact on wildlife due to over hunting, going back to the time when people first started to appear on the continent. The first natives to inhabit the continent are widely recognized to have attributed to the extinction of the mammoth in North America due to their over hunting.
Here is a link to a good report explaining the impact of Indian hunting in North America. Results will be surprising to some, especially to those with rose tinted glasses.
Effect of Indian hunting on wildlife (http://www.vorebuffalojump.org/pdf/Effect%20of%20Indian%20hunting%20on%20wildlife.pdf)
ack-ack
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: ink on June 18, 2015, 03:42:07 PM
"A team of archaeological investigators, anthropologists and Crow tribal officials today are headed to the site of a 2,000-year-old bison kill site that was unearthed last summer as part of Westmoreland Resources Inc.'s plans to expand its Absaloka Coal Mine."
"The largest bison bone bed was estimated to cover almost 3,000 square meters and contained the remains of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of butchered bison remains and prehistoric spear points dating back to the Late Archaic period, Utah State University anthropologist Judson Finley said."
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: Lusche on June 18, 2015, 03:46:29 PM
sure the Indians did this all the time...... :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
What has that to do with the fact that the indians (just as many other indegenious people over the world) did have an environmentally impact and even caused the exctinction of species?
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: PR3D4TOR on June 18, 2015, 03:48:37 PM
Just a straw man argument.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: ink on June 18, 2015, 04:19:20 PM
"Of all the quadrupeds that have lived upon the earth, probably no other species has ever marshaled such innumerable hosts as those of the American bison. It would have been as easy to count or to estimate the number of leaves in a forest as to calculate the number of buffaloes living at any given time during the history of the species previous to 1870."
What has that to do with the fact that the indians (just as many other indegenious people over the world) did have an environmentally impact and even caused the exctinction of species?
good question
for one I am not so sure I believe that....
as history and actual evidence says otherwise.....
is it possible that a non "white" native race did what some try to say....I guess it is possible....
after reading this book....I change my opinion...ALL people suck....
“Within the circular fence ... lay, tossed in every conceivable position, over two hundred dead buffalo. [The exact number was 240.] From old bulls to calves of three months’ old, animals of every age were huddled together in all the forced attitudes of violent death. Some lay on their backs, with eyes starting from their heads and tongue thrust out through clotted gore. Others were impaled on the horns of the old and strong bulls. Others again, which had been tossed, were lying with broken backs, two and three deep. One little calf hung suspended on the horns of a bull which had impaled it in the wild race round and round the pound. The Indians looked upon the dreadful and sickening [Pg 480]sight with evident delight, and told how such and such a bull or cow had exhibited feats of wonderful strength in the death-struggle. The flesh of many of the cows had been taken from them, and was drying in the sun on stages near the tents. It is needless to say that the odor was overpowering, and millions of large blue flesh-flies, humming and buzzing over the putrefying bodies, was not the least disgusting part of the spectacle.”
"But apparently no such thoughts ever entered their minds, so far as they themselves were concerned. They looked with jealous eyes upon the white hunter, and considered him as much of a robber as if they had a brand on every buffalo. It has been claimed by some authors that the Indians killed with more judgment and more care for the future than did the white man, but I fail to find any evidence that such was ever the fact. They all killed wastefully, wantonly, and always about five times as many head as were really necessary for food. It was always the same old story, whenever a gang of Indians needed meat a whole herd was slaughtered, the choicest portions of the finest animals were taken, and about 75 per cent of the whole left to putrefy and fatten the wolves. And now, as we read of the appalling slaughter, one can scarcely repress the feeling of grim satisfaction that arises when we also read that many of the ex-slaughterers are almost starving for the [Pg 481]millions of pounds of fat and juicy buffalo meat they wasted a few years ago. Verily, the buffalo is in a great measure avenged already."
yup I was wrong....
Indians were just as dickish as whites....not quite to the extreme we took it....
but I do accept I was wrong about how they lived life!!!
well I knew they were savage to each other and they had that part of them, but I did believe they treated animals better then what they actually did.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: bustr on June 18, 2015, 04:22:38 PM
Civilizations on our planet progressed beyond securing food visa hunting by focusing on growing some seminal grain type as the core for sustaining it's population. Or maintaining large herds of ungulates for protein and milk products. Our American Indians relied too heavily on hunting. To live on a diet primarily of protein products as many Indian tribes did, ends up depleting the surrounding wild life. A protein based survival strategy requires killing something to eat almost every day while killing and preserving additional amounts of protein for the future. Coastal tribes were able to time their year's food supply around fish and water mammal migrations but, gave up being migratory themselves, and at the mercy of bad seasons and years.
By the time of Louis and Clark's expedition, the existing migratory Indian populations on the North American continent were reaching a tipping point in numbers versus being able to support those numbers with a hunting protein survival strategy. Where ever tribes claimed territory, they hunted that area out quickly to support their numbers. Between none stop war with other tribes and hunting protein as their survival strategy, they had a non sustainable way of life. Introduction of the horse sped this up.
Wiping out the buffalo herds at the end of the second half of the 19th century was all it really took to tip the larger American Indian populations over the edge in terms of food supply. They never developed beyond reliance on native prey populations down to relying almost solely on the bison after hunting out everything else. The Asian steppe nomads who in many ways were like our Indians, kept herds of animals to supply their protein needs and almost conquered the known world. But, they at least had the horse and metal technology much longer than the American Indians who came too late to that game.
The bison was wiped out to speed up the decline of the plains Indians while market hunting eventually had to be curtailed and regulated. Our current hunting and fishing regulation is a direct result of the excesses of market hunting. Unlike our Indian tribes tied to protein, we regulate what, how much, and when we can harvest by seasons. Specifically to not wipe out the available animals like the Indians were forced to do by their predominantly protein survival strategy.
Finger pointing over this is idiotic. Many of you would not be taking part in this post if all of those things had not happened. So if you are feeling guilty over what happened, go out and kiss a tree. Trying to redirect that by taking it out on anyone who doesn't agree with you is just as idiotic as finger pointing.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: PR3D4TOR on June 18, 2015, 05:01:13 PM
Ink, I'm impressed. You read and learned something! :aok
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: mbailey on June 18, 2015, 06:34:00 PM
Great post Skyyr, and all verificiable facts. :aok The Pittman act is one of the best things that ever happened in the world of wildlife conservation. At least us hunters know the truth
I literally had a discussion once with a friends girlfriend that was completely against hunting......I let her have her say right up till her order arrived and she asked me to pass the ketchup for her burger.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 18, 2015, 07:34:22 PM
Great post Skyyr, and all verificiable facts. :aok The Pittman act is one of the best things that ever happened in the world of wildlife conservation. At least us hunters know the truth
I literally had a discussion once with a friends girlfriend that was completely against hunting......I let her have her say right up till her order arrived and she asked me to pass the ketchup for her burger.
Spend a day at Chic fil A that is located on a college campus. The amount of chicken those people go through is asinine. Eat the damn chicken and be happy it was that easy to get it.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 18, 2015, 07:36:29 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: Halo46 on June 18, 2015, 07:41:59 PM
See Rule #4
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Post by: Bodhi on June 18, 2015, 08:54:27 PM
This post delivers.... thanks! I needed a laugh!
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: ink on June 18, 2015, 11:52:30 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: zack1234 on June 19, 2015, 01:55:22 AM
Ink, I'm impressed. You read and learned something! :aok
Ink feels all warm inside now.
I dont have enough coin to have a point of view or for anyone to take any notice of it.
I was waching youtube vids about lizard people, just reinforces the fact people need to be led.
Apparently Boxcar Willie is a lizard man as well.
Ink admit i owned you in a fist fight.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: saggs on June 20, 2015, 10:22:19 PM
For all those decrying sport hunting, saying how evil and twisted it is, and how we should be protecting rather then killing wildlife.
I ask an honest question...
How much money have you donated to wildlife and habitat conservation?
And while you think about your answer, google the following terms:
Pittman-Robertson Act Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation Ducks Unlimited Whitetails Unlimited
Those are all American entities. But the same goes for Africa, ask yourself where all the funding for the many African National Parks and Wildlife Preserves comes from, as well as funding for wardens and anti-poaching efforts.
Even if hunters didn't fund conservation (but I'm very glad they do) I still would not be opposed to hunting. Humans are a part of the earths ecosystem, we are the apex predator, why should we pretend like we are some alien visitors to this planet who are only allowed to observe but not interfere?
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: BaldEagl on June 21, 2015, 02:00:36 AM
I once had black ants in a house I'd just moved into. The exterminator came, found where they were nesting under the door sill and killed them. Local ant genocide. No more ants.
Or are we only counting mammals?
<--- Looks at self, worried.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: PR3D4TOR on June 21, 2015, 09:33:21 AM
Yes, anti-hunting people are such speciesists...
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Post by: Meatwad on June 21, 2015, 11:16:39 AM
How about bees and wasps? I have yellow jacket nest on the house and they are going to all die
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Post by: Masherbrum on June 21, 2015, 12:44:12 PM
Hey Funkillah. Stop killin everytang! :furious
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Post by: ink on June 21, 2015, 01:28:27 PM
why am I not surprised.
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Post by: DmonSlyr on June 21, 2015, 02:24:22 PM
How about bees and wasps? I have yellow jacket nest on the house and they are going to all die
While wasp and hornet are scary and nasty, I don't blame you for killing that nest! Honey Bees, however, are very important to the natural ecosystem, and their populations are rapidly decreasing. A decreasing bee population is detrimental to the natural pollen cycle for plants. You can look up tons of research that suggest we need to do something about this problem. It's amazing how something like Bees can make such a difference in this world Haha.
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Post by: Meatwad on June 21, 2015, 02:32:01 PM
No honeybees around here, just wasps and yellow jackets. So...they must die
If it was honeybees, free honey :)
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: PR3D4TOR on June 21, 2015, 03:35:19 PM
They have spred into China killing about 40 people. Their sting has a toxin that some people's skin reacts in a necrotic fashion leaving large open wounds. Some peoples organs shut down or break down. Some people out right die in about 30 minutes. Only takes one sting. They have reached France, are now a very common problem and several fatalities have occurred. Locals in Arlington Illinois have been shown pictures of the local cicada wasp and a giant hornet and identified it as the giant hornet they saw recently.
In Japan the giant Hornets eat European honey bees. Wonder what will happen when the first meeting of the Africanized Honey Bee and Giant Asian Hornet takes place? Nom, Nom, munch, munch, mmmm good honey bee.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: PR3D4TOR on June 22, 2015, 03:34:52 PM
They have spred into China killing about 40 people. Their sting has a toxin that some people's skin reacts in a necrotic fashion leaving large open wounds. Some peoples organs shut down or break down. Some people out right die in about 30 minutes. Only takes one sting. They have reached France, are now a very common problem and several fatalities have occurred. Locals in Arlington Illinois have been shown pictures of the local cicada wasp and a giant hornet and identified it as the giant hornet they saw recently.
In Japan the giant Hornets eat European honey bees. Wonder what will happen when the first meeting of the Africanized Honey Bee and Giant Asian Hornet takes place? Nom, Nom, munch, munch, mmmm good honey bee.
well the honeybee does kill them by smothering it and raising its body temperature. :old: Also yellow jackets would kick its tail anyday.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: RotBaron on June 22, 2015, 11:18:55 PM
:bolt:
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: zack1234 on June 23, 2015, 07:04:18 AM
If honey bees die some lab will invent self pollinating plants and charge us $100 for a turnip :old:
The Eastern Europeans will then dominate the world.
Turnips will be the new oil and the middle east will revert back to riding camels.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: Meatwad on June 23, 2015, 07:21:51 AM
Genetically mutate the turnips and they can ride them instead of camels. But in soviet russia, the turnips will ride you
If not, then feed them to the camels. Highway speeds will be measured in turnips per hour, or TPH.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: zack1234 on June 23, 2015, 07:33:56 AM
Yes!
:rofl
Your not right in the head :)
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 23, 2015, 08:47:04 AM
If honey bees die some lab will invent self pollinating plants and charge us $100 for a turnip :old:
The Eastern Europeans will then dominate the world.
Turnips will be the new oil and the middle east will revert back to riding camels.
:rofl :rofl
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: bustr on June 23, 2015, 05:53:49 PM
Only the honey bee native to Japan has developed the over heating strategy.
Imported honey bees become Hornet chow along with smaller wasps and hornets. Even Preying mantis are not safe and the sting and the hornet's aggressiveness deters many other usual hornet, wasp and bee predators. In Asia the primary predator of the hornets is human beings who eat them. In japan there is a Hornet sashimi.
Anyone allergic to bee stings will be in danger of death inside of 30 minutes without an EPIPen. Others, severe burning, swelling with the initial wound sight oozing blood and possible kidney clogging. Even necrotic response at the wound sight. This is not your normal yellow jacket or hornet. The stinger is about 1\4 inch long and will introduce an 8 part venom deep enough with each sting to create rapid complications. One enzyme in the toxin destroys red blood cells which can cause kidney problems along with a necrotic response in tissue.
Often it is the lone scout that suddenly nails you out of no where because they are that fast. If you happen to run into a nest area, multiply that effect. Nests are under ground and can be up to 36in in diameter by that much in depth. At the very lowest layers all larva production is of Queens. Upwards of 100 in most cases. Winter kills off the workers but, the queen can over winter and start another colony the next spring. They have evolved in Japan's mountainous regions that have very severe winters. If you do not find the nest and account for the queen larva's, each queen is born ready to lay eggs and start the cycle all over again. They are able to survive as far north or south as honey bees.
All that is needed like happened to France, one Queen surviving the journey to your country. So far they can be found in Korea, China, Indonesia, India, Russia, France and the sighting of one in Illinois is still waiting for proof by finding a real Hornet. Or, someone to piss off a scout and get stung.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: PR3D4TOR on June 23, 2015, 06:11:49 PM
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: zack1234 on June 24, 2015, 12:22:22 AM
Are the North Koreans to blame?
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: Aspen on June 24, 2015, 02:25:49 PM
I watched a tarantula hawk (giant wasp) kill a tarantula and drag it off to a hole in New Mexico. Pretty interesting stuff.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: bustr on June 24, 2015, 03:12:49 PM
All of the U.S. on the same parallel as Japan would become a Science Fiction movie gone bad. I doubt the Illinois sighting because where there is one giant Hornet scout, there is a nest with 100 queen larva waiting to spread out and start their own nests. And a nest in a highly populated suburb would have at least one dead person by now along with many in the hospital with severe exotic sting reactions that the local bees and wasps are not capable of.
It is more likely the European Hornet which is slightly smaller but, still large in it's own right and less agressive, is what was sighted. They have been in the U.S. for some time.
It doesn't take long to know that you have a nest of those things in your country. They are just a bit smaller than a hummingbird. Illinois should have been similar to France with discovering they have arrived where a family was cooking steaks in the backyard, and a single scout stung the father who died in 30 minutes. They have been in France since 2004 with 6 fatalities. A single scout can kill 40 honey bees a minute, and the scouts target honey bee nests, leave an attractor pheromone, and bring back 20-30 more hornets to kill the bees for food.
If this is not a hoax, England has been invaded by French Hornets. :O Chances are the person who killed them mistook European Hornet's for Asian because of reports out of France. England has reported no fatalities which is how every country they have invaded has discovered their presence. They are very aggressive and mean.
Are yellow jackets really that strong good vs other wasp/hornet species?
No they are just real bastages. Live in the ground sometime you don't see em until its too late. Had a friend move here for LA never seen a yellow jacket until he got lit up mowing his yard, then gets lit up again because he's looking in the trees for them lol. Only thing I have personally seen tangling with a yellow jacket was a woodboring bee. I just see this ball of something flying at me, it bounces of my face and hits the ground and its a yellow jacket and a borer going at it.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: BuckShot on June 25, 2015, 02:11:29 PM
I'll take bee or wasp stings over a yellow jacket any day.
Yellow jackets don't loose their stinger, and keep stabbing away, just to fly away and sting another day.
I got 40+ stings on my lower legs from a swarm once. I could hardly get my boots off, and my feet were so swollen that they looked like adult sized baby feet.
Ever since that episode, it seems like I'm allergic to stings. Now one sting has the same effect as that 40.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: Curval on June 25, 2015, 02:41:46 PM
Kinda funny bee story:
Years ago I had my 8 year old (at the time) son on the back of my bike. As we rode along I was suddenly hit right between the eyes by a bee. The bee managed to lodge itself in the nose piece of my sunglasses and sure enough, stung me. I yelled "OOOOWWWWW" and felt the sharp sting go right in between my eyes but kept control of the bike until it came to a stop.
When I pulled off the glasses the bee's body fell down and hit my leg but I was pretty sure the stinger was still there, so I turned around and asked my son if he could see it. "Yes" he said. "Well PULL IT OUT" I said to him.
He reached for it and suddenly stopped "Will it hurt?" he asked.
"I don't know, not as much as it hurts now, just pull the darn thing out" was my reply.
"No, I meant Will it hurt ME?" he clarified.
My response cannot be repeated here. lol
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: Lusche on June 25, 2015, 02:47:02 PM
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: Nathan60 on June 25, 2015, 07:12:56 PM
Yeah, I used to fish in the neighborhood when I was a kid, went out in the woods and caught my own bait I learned pretty quick to check logs for bees before I moved them had some jackets chase me at least 30 yards stinging the hell out of me all the way once, also to stand with the log between me and anything under that log.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: BaldEagl on June 25, 2015, 08:18:38 PM
When I was young I had a Honda Super 90. I was riding the 15 miles to a neighboring town to take my road test for my license endorsement and was tooling along with my mouth open when I felt a ball of fur on my tongue. It was a bumblebee and it stung my bottom lip as I spit it out. My lip swole up to just under the size of a golf ball which the road test guy evidently found hilarious.
That was the last time I ever rode a motorcycle with my mouth open.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: 100Coogn on June 25, 2015, 08:25:31 PM
WTF are you guys babblying about. Go somewhere else and argue.
Coogan
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: Rich46yo on June 25, 2015, 08:53:02 PM
Timothy Treadwell....what a guy! The LSD addict reformed by the wild grizzly. He's my favorite Disney Loon. The guy I really look to to do the complete opposite of. He "loved his Bears" so much he would camp out with them to protect them, "even tho they were on protected National Land" and couldnt be hunted anyways. In his deranged mind the people coming with cameras to photograph them from hundreds of yards away were "endangering HIS Bears" so he would calm them and walk up to them on all fours "coo-cooing" to calm them.
Like the screw balls that spend millions on rigs to protect whales that arent endangered and are allowed to be hunted by INTL treaty. Im sure Timothy didnt want money out of it. In the end they all want fame. Instead of just allowing the animals to be free under rule of Law they want something from nature that people cant give them and in the end their selfishness wins over. With Treadwell his narcissism and idiocy cost the lives of two Grizzly's along with a woman 'et. Himself.....'et. Im sure that was the way he wanted to go until it actually became the way he went.
They should release the audio tape of him being 'et. It might prevent more Treadwells.
Timothy Treadwell....what a guy! The LSD addict reformed by the wild grizzly. He's my favorite Disney Loon. The guy I really look to to do the complete opposite of. He "loved his Bears" so much he would camp out with them to protect them, "even tho they were on protected National Land" and couldnt be hunted anyways. In his deranged mind the people coming with cameras to photograph them from hundreds of yards away were "endangering HIS Bears" so he would calm them and walk up to them on all fours "coo-cooing" to calm them.
Like the screw balls that spend millions on rigs to protect whales that arent endangered and are allowed to be hunted by INTL treaty. Im sure Timothy didnt want money out of it. In the end they all want fame. Instead of just allowing the animals to be free under rule of Law they want something from nature that people cant give them and in the end their selfishness wins over. With Treadwell his narcissism and idiocy cost the lives of two Grizzly's along with a woman 'et. Himself.....'et. Im sure that was the way he wanted to go until it actually became the way he went.
They should release the audio tape of him being 'et. It might prevent more Treadwells.
I would still hang out with him before you. Screw ball...
Coogan
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: PR3D4TOR on June 25, 2015, 10:27:35 PM
He was a scumbag who got a woman killed for nothing.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: 100Coogn on June 25, 2015, 10:36:11 PM
He was a scumbag who got a woman killed for nothing.
You are a very judgmental person, aren't you. Don't make you right though.
Coogan
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: bustr on June 26, 2015, 05:40:28 PM
The thing that was never mentioned in most of the coverage about Treadwell's girlfriend, where his hubris may have gotten her killed. She may have been inside of her menstruation cycle. He could not stop nature from taking it's course in that case without a gun.
Some guides and hunters voiced that as the probably reason for the attack after all of Treadwell's solo years with the grizzlies. She was the only change in his relationship with the bears. I believe in Alaska where going into areas of high bear population is concerned, the guides want to know if any women in their party is in her menstruation cycle. Blood is a grizzly dinner bell.
I don't know if he was a scumbag. He carried his hubris like giant clanging balls between his legs until the end. He mislead his girlfriend into believing she was safe as long as she was with him. More likely mutual stupidity and the other shoe finally dropped on him. At least he was not guiding groups to play with the grizzlies.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: PR3D4TOR on June 26, 2015, 08:29:54 PM
How many times did he say he believed he would be killed by a bear? Even that he wanted to go that way. It was no accident, it was intent.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: 100Coogn on June 26, 2015, 09:13:19 PM
How many times did he say he believed he would be killed by a bear? Even that he wanted to go that way. It was no accident, it was intent.
lol, That just makes him a nut. Which I agree, he was crazy. As far as putting women into harms way, yes he did do that. I believe his daughter was even starting to get in on the act. Guess yours and Bustr's comments have swayed my opinion of him...
Coogan
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Post by: PR3D4TOR on June 26, 2015, 09:39:20 PM
That... That's amazing! Must be an internet first! :O
Unless it was sarcasm...
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: 100Coogn on June 26, 2015, 10:07:52 PM
Yeah, that was a 'foot in mouth comment.' :uhoh In my defense, I wasn't fully aware of his putting his family in harms way as he did. So now I'm like, meh.. Not as great of a guy as I had believed he was.
Coogan
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: Aspen on June 27, 2015, 10:09:34 AM
I see a pic of Steve Irwin holding a wombat and a discussion about Tim Treadwell... I disagreed with Steve Irwin's positions on hunting but I think he was a good showman who knew what he was doing and the risks he took. Treadwell was a guy with major issues.
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Post by: PR3D4TOR on June 27, 2015, 12:51:12 PM
Irvin was crazy too, but to my knowledge he only got himself killed. That's OK in my book.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: bj229r on June 28, 2015, 04:39:44 PM
Frikkin rattlesnakes, numerous in SW VA
Before(http://i.imgur.com/OmjI9nM.jpg)
After(http://i.imgur.com/p5CIbk0.jpg) (holster for wife's long-barrel Beretta)
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Post by: Nefarious on June 28, 2015, 07:09:18 PM
Hmmm... Can't bite much without a head... :D
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Post by: PR3D4TOR on June 28, 2015, 07:09:36 PM
Very nice! :aok
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Post by: mbailey on June 29, 2015, 02:22:47 PM
Very nice BJ........ I just had a friend make a Bowie knife handle out of Rattlesnake for me.........and it all slides into a Python sheath......
Also have a fishing rod he did for me....Saltwater rig...with Rattlesnake accents
Your work looks amazing.... :aok
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: RotBaron on August 04, 2015, 04:41:20 PM
Are they? I didn't know that. What kind of rattlers out there? I've never looked it up, my family in IL/IA/PA never mentioned rattlers so I figured it was a SW, desert & Rockies thing. Do you have several species?
And yah :aok nice work
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Post by: HawkerMKII on August 04, 2015, 07:46:33 PM
Are they? I didn't know that. What kind of rattlers out there? I've never looked it up, my family in IL/IA/PA never mentioned rattlers so I figured it was a SW, desert & Rockies thing. Do you have several species?
Every state except Alaska and Hawaii have rattlesnakes. There are some that claim they do not (Delaware), yet they are bordered by states that do.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: RotBaron on August 05, 2015, 09:47:19 AM
:rofl
well, your reply made me look up Rhode Island, lmao, uhhh not what I expected to find
google it
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: dentin on August 05, 2015, 01:03:35 PM
Wow...that's about the dumbest statement I'm seen in a long time. :old: Allow me to enlighten you and others that have the same faulty thinking in regards to wildlife. It's relatively simple bottom line...MOTHER NATURE WILL MAINTAIN THE BALANCE WITHOUT Human intervention.
Creatures go extinct due to NATURAL causes OR HUMAN intervention. We (humans) still have not learned to live by the simple rule of "LIVE AND LET LIVE"
Animals hunt to survive..the days when humans had to hunt/kill to survive (at least in all the civilized countries) are long gone.
By the way... IMMHO, Trophy hunting is simply a result of a mental deficiency. :old:
"Opinions are like armpits...everyone has 2 and occasionally they BOTH stink
dentin has left the building
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: TheBug on August 05, 2015, 02:42:15 PM
well, your reply made me look up Rhode Island, lmao, uhhh not what I expected to find
Yeah, they say the timber rattler has disappeared there. I think I have heard of at least a dozen "extinct" species that reappeared, so I don't believe that about Rhode Island either.
Plenty of times in surveying we were told the historical markers had disappeared (it's illegal, but people do disturb them) only to find them when the PSM looked in person.
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Post by: RotBaron on August 05, 2015, 05:41:52 PM
Yeah, they say the timber rattler has disappeared there. I think I have heard of at least a dozen "extinct" species that reappeared, so I don't believe that about Rhode Island either.
Plenty of times in surveying we were told the historical markers had disappeared (it's illegal, but people do disturb them) only to find them when the PSM looked in person.
I don't think you googled Rhode Island Rattlesnake...it's nothing to do w/ snakes with a rattle.
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: mbailey on August 05, 2015, 05:52:12 PM
Are they? I didn't know that. What kind of rattlers out there? I've never looked it up, my family in IL/IA/PA never mentioned rattlers so I figured it was a SW, desert & Rockies thing. Do you have several species?
And yah :aok nice work
We have a large and healthy population of them here in PA. We actually have the largest and healthiest population of Timber Rattlers of all the NE states. I've come across them quite often hiking....needless to say we have an understanding.....I give them room, they give me room and all will be right with both our worlds. That said, never had an issue, I will look at them for a little bit then walk away before they get to stressed
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: dentin on August 06, 2015, 03:05:58 PM
Have you been in the meat aisle at your local super market? Do you think they grow the steaks on a tree?? :rolleyes:
Humans are probably killing more than ever to survive. That is why I don't understand your comment. Apparently because someone else does it for you, it makes it ok I'm guessing. :headscratch:
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 06, 2015, 03:25:39 PM
Wow...that's about the dumbest statement I'm seen in a long time. :old: Allow me to enlighten you and others that have the same faulty thinking in regards to wildlife. It's relatively simple bottom line...MOTHER NATURE WILL MAINTAIN THE BALANCE WITHOUT Human intervention.
Creatures go extinct due to NATURAL causes OR HUMAN intervention. We (humans) still have not learned to live by the simple rule of "LIVE AND LET LIVE"
Animals hunt to survive..the days when humans had to hunt/kill to survive (at least in all the civilized countries) are long gone.
By the way... IMMHO, Trophy hunting is simply a result of a mental deficiency. :old:
"Opinions are like armpits...everyone has 2 and occasionally they BOTH stink
dentin has left the building
Remember this post if/when your house gets infested by some nasty little critters. Don't call the exterminator, just live with mother nature. She will "balance" the critters out of your home right? :rofl
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: HL117 on August 06, 2015, 11:39:00 PM
A few year ago a large Hornet came into the yard and was buzzing around the fire pit, kids yelled to me to come look, it was actually kicking up ash dust with it wings down draft, closest thing to kill it with was the dasiy BB gun in the minibarn, shot it dead I assume it was a European version since it had nazi markings.
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Post by: mthrockmor on August 07, 2015, 06:02:29 AM
There are more trees in North America now than any time in recorded history, going back a few centuries. The screams and tears of deforestation just not true.
boo
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Post by: MiloMorai on August 07, 2015, 06:07:47 AM
There are more trees in North America now than any time in recorded history, going back a few centuries. The screams and tears of deforestation just not true.
boo
How did all that farmland come about then?
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Post by: mthrockmor on August 07, 2015, 06:10:06 AM
Plenty of clearing, and even more trees. An example, when the pioneers first moved to Utah the entire valley had zero trees, just a scrub desert. Now, millions of trees, all planted by humans. Environmentalist have created imagery that is just inaccurate.
boo
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Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 07, 2015, 08:02:08 AM
Deforestation is a big problem in the developing world, but not in North America or Europe. There are more trees here now than back in WWII since we've all but stopped using wood for fuel.
Have you been in the meat aisle at your local super market? Do you think they grow the steaks on a tree?? :rolleyes:
Humans are probably killing more than ever to survive. That is why I don't understand your comment. Apparently because someone else does it for you, it makes it ok I'm guessing. :headscratch:
If y'all don't understand what I said, and the point I tried to make, I'll not waste any more time on the issue.
dentin has left the building.. :bolt:
Title: Re: speak out
Post by: dentin on August 07, 2015, 12:18:03 PM
Indeed..., perhaps "trophy hunters" should goto McD's, purchase a burger and hang it above the FP Mantle. :old: :D
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Post by: Meatwad on August 07, 2015, 12:22:44 PM
Hang a Big Mac over the fireplace for tribute on how nasty that thing is
Whoppers = Yum!
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Post by: JimmyD3 on August 07, 2015, 07:28:47 PM
Everything dies, its just a matter of timing. :old:
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Post by: Estes on August 08, 2015, 03:20:03 AM
Hmm, interesting point about the pioneers and burning fires. I Didn't think of it in that light, if anyone is wondering though I can take a picture of my backyard (in a week or so i finally mowed lol) it's a damn jungle. Makes me glad I'm moving for work here soon, I get to duck the worst of the summer and everything.