Post by: caldera on December 26, 2015, 03:25:28 PM
Post by: ghi on December 26, 2015, 05:02:07 PM
http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=FWS&product=NCR&overlay=11101111&loop=yes
looks crazy for this time of the year, a dozen of tornado warnings in Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas;
http://www.weather.gov/
https://tvnweather.com/live
Post by: Wizz on December 26, 2015, 06:21:32 PM
How did this get un-fixed? Please un-un-fix it. :aokI think it has something to do with a certain country trying to keep another certain country from having a tactical edge as this particular country tends to coordinate very well when HQ is up. Ever tried to consider the fact that its a war not a DA? Heaven forbid you loose the HQ and loose the opportunity to see any action.... and no it wasnt me havent been on all day.
Post by: Changeup on December 26, 2015, 07:07:34 PM
I think it has something to do with a certain country trying to keep another certain country from having a tactical edge as this particular country tends to coordinate very well when HQ is up. Ever tried to consider the fact that its a war not a DA? Heaven forbid you loose the HQ and loose the opportunity to see any action.... and no it wasnt me havent been on all day.
We cannot hear your expertise until you can spell lose. Spelling, the difference between knowing YOU'RE Poop or knowing your poop.
Post by: Bear76 on December 26, 2015, 07:48:26 PM
I think it has something to do with a certain country trying to keep another certain country from having a tactical edge as this particular country tends to coordinate very well when HQ is up. Ever tried to consider the fact that its a war not a DA? Heaven forbid you loose the HQ and loose the opportunity to see any action.... and no it wasnt me havent been on all day.
It has nothing to do with winning the war, so please quit using that excuse. People leave when it happens, so there is nothing tactical about it. Bomb strats if you want an advantage.
Post by: FESS67 on December 26, 2015, 08:19:37 PM
People seem to love doing it although it would seem the majority do not care for it or the results it brings.
Post by: Vraciu on December 26, 2015, 08:21:32 PM
It has nothing to do with winning the war, so please quit using that excuse. People leave when it happens, so there is nothing tactical about it. Bomb strats if you want an advantage.
+1
Post by: Zimme83 on December 26, 2015, 08:38:04 PM
Post by: Devil 505 on December 26, 2015, 10:59:12 PM
It has nothing to do with winning the war, so please quit using that excuse. People leave when it happens, so there is nothing tactical about it. Bomb strats if you want an advantage.
Truth.
Post by: Dundee on December 26, 2015, 11:02:45 PM
No one is taking down HQ as a part of a strategy, have never seen that happen. itīs just to piss people off. And as said Before, there is no defence against NOE bombers, its not enough time to up and kill them once the HQ starts to flash. AAA at the HQ is also patetic and cannot even hurt a set of 5k Lancs Before HQ goes down... Add some manned double 5-inchers at the HQ and a lot of the issues would be gone...
I beg to differ.......it stopped the Bish hoard in their tracks.......Our Hq was taken down as well. One difference is we didn't cry about it and went on. The Bishops threaten to quit the game like babies, no one is trying to make people quit. We stopped doing the GV take downs because we had people come right to us......some one is able to see where we are on the ground. The Bish need to protect their HQ as well as they do their bases.....if they don't oh well stuff happens
Post by: Vraciu on December 27, 2015, 12:04:14 AM
You wanna drive EVERYONE out of the game?
Post by: Devil 505 on December 27, 2015, 12:18:46 AM
Post by: 68ZooM on December 27, 2015, 12:28:30 AM
Post by: Slade on December 27, 2015, 05:54:21 AM
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... People leave when it happens. ...
Which ever point of view you take, the above statement remains true.
EDIT: Myself I made two HQ resupply missions then just left. Though I am always glad to help - I play the game primarily for ACM.
Can anyone please confirm if this is still a problem in the coming new version?
Post by: Wizz on December 27, 2015, 06:52:08 AM
I don't think he cares, as long as he "wins teh warz". :bheadI think he cares as much as you not caring... :rofl
Post by: Wizz on December 27, 2015, 06:58:50 AM
It has nothing to do with winning the war, so please quit using that excuse. People leave when it happens, so there is nothing tactical about it. Bomb strats if you want an advantage.I assure you it does regardless of whether or not you see it that way.
Post by: icepac on December 27, 2015, 07:21:08 AM
You pansies need to simply fly without the crutch and learn how to anticicipate how the enemy intends to use your lack of non-realistic radar aids at that time.
Then you will find enemy planes who think they are safe because you "can't see them".
Post by: Slade on December 27, 2015, 07:34:09 AM
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You pansies need to simply fly without the crutch and learn how to anticicipate how the enemy intends
Those of us playing for YEARS are pretty good at anticipation. In RL WWII however a country was never completely blinded as is the case when HQ goes down. My Mom for example worked as a spotter several hours a day in WWII along with thousands of others dong the same thing. I could elaborate in much more detail but will keep this brief. My point is a country in WWII was never nearly blinded from the results of just one set of Lancs. :old:
There is no need to be so disrespectful.
Post by: Changeup on December 27, 2015, 08:14:33 AM
Those of us playing for YEARS are pretty good at anticipation. In RL WWII however a country was never completely blinded as is the case when HQ goes down. My Mom for example worked as a spotter several hours a day in WWII along with thousands of others dong the same thing. I could elaborate in much more detail but will keep this brief. My point is a country in WWII was never nearly blinded from the results of just one set of Lancs. :old:
There is no need to be so disrespectful.
He knows. Some believe extra points are given out for useless drivel.
Post by: The Fugitive on December 27, 2015, 08:20:42 AM
I assure you it does regardless of whether or not you see it that way.
The point he was trying to make is that this is a game, NOT a war. If the action you take is hurting the GAME you are detrimental to the game. You, your action, and any "friends" that do it with you, are all bad for the GAME.
If enough people leave. the game closes. How is that a "Win"?
Post by: FESS67 on December 27, 2015, 08:47:02 AM
Well, guess what, we have been around long enough to see what is going on but the game mechanics mean we are powerless to stop it. You are gaming the game, simple as that.
Ok, so your comeback is to say you are not powerless to stop it. All you need to do is run constant CAP. After all if you were any good you would do that.
Bunch of idiots doing their best to kill the fun for the majority.
Post by: VuduVee on December 27, 2015, 11:12:29 AM
Post by: 68ZooM on December 27, 2015, 12:07:54 PM
When people kill HQ It affects the whole country of players And defending it is almost pointless unless you fly defense around it 24 hours a day at every Alt level looking for that 1 set of lancs or the people that drive GV's for endless hours to kill the HQ which is Undetectable until HQ is down.
Post by: Vraciu on December 27, 2015, 12:25:23 PM
Vuduvee, these people you say that are ganging/vulch's the end of the runway are Suppressing people while the town is being taken and captured, being vulched or ganged at the end of the runway CAN be prevented Simply by not upping there and up from the closest airfield to that one. This scenero only affects people trying to up from a base being taken.
When people kill HQ It affects the whole country of players And defending it is almost pointless unless you fly defense around it 24 hours a day at every Alt level looking for that 1 set of lancs or the people that drive GV's for endless hours to kill the HQ which is Undetectable until HQ is down.
You're wasting your time using logic on these people.
Post by: Zardoz on December 27, 2015, 12:30:03 PM
I'm pretty new to all this. But I enjoy most aspects of the game. And I have tried a lot of different scenarios. GV's (Yeah the really long ones too!) Flying a fighter, which is my favorite, and completely mystifying at times. Bombers, gunnery, and even the PT boat a few times.
And I like bombing missions. Until you have been in a large formation with 262's 163, and 190's comin' from all sides... Well I find that to be pretty good combat action.
Tanks piss me off. Grrr...
And I have seen the strategic value of taking down strats. Including the HQ and city. More than once. Even if it is only to put a monkey wrench ij the attitude of the enemy, Make 'em lose their focus. Isn't that good combat tactics?
I came to this game from flight sims, strategy games like Risk, poker, and chess. Flight sims? Those guys are serious nerds and I can completely relate. The games, on the other hand all include intimidation, deception, attitude, and hopefully, a sense of humor.
I expected AH to be about strategy. So I like the current rules and tactics and am trying to learn to be better at a lot of different aspects of it. One thing about flying with a squad like the 49th is they expect you to be good at a lot of different tactics and scenarios. They are very generous to noobs like me with their time and advice. So I have tried a lot of different things I never even would have thought of on my own. And so I want to do well by them, Isn't that what being in a squad is all about? If that means going off on a loooong crazy drive once in a while, then not only so be it, but gleefully so. I probably still love the fighter planes the most, even though I still pretty much suck at it. But I enjoy most of the different scenarious too.
Hats off to you 49th, by the way, for putting up with me. They tolerate me even though they didn't know I was a left-wing wacko when I signed on. It does make for some lively discussions on those legendarily long 49er's missions.
I even find the whining to be entertaining. You wanna hate some 49er's? Go ahead. Better yet, up some fighter's, shoot my a&& outa the sky and screw up MY plans. Most of y'all seem to be able to shoot me down fairly regularly. <S> It's all supposed to be part of the FUN!
Anyway I'm having a ball the way AH is right now. Could it be better? Sure. Keep working on it. My biggest complaint is the generally rude behavior between a lot of players. 200 is like that morbidly bad movie scene you can't turn away from. But I still like to know the mind of the enemy, so I usually monitor it.
I say leave the HQ hardness alone. It adds a dimension to the game that I enjoy. You take out my HQ? Cool! Good for you. I will try to learn to either subvert your efforts or learn an alternative strategy to fight you. It's part of why this game is so addictive. Things that are hard to master give the greatest rewards when done well.
Remember. It's a game.
Post by: cobia38 on December 27, 2015, 01:10:46 PM
Post by: SPKmes on December 27, 2015, 01:20:12 PM
Post by: Wizz on December 27, 2015, 01:36:28 PM
The point he was trying to make is that this is a game, NOT a war. If the action you take is hurting the GAME you are detrimental to the game. You, your action, and any "friends" that do it with you, are all bad for the GAME.Fugi you and I play two totally different games. Your worthless outside of your element in this game and sadly your mistaken the majority of the time. I have flown with you guys and as I have stated before I am not impressed with you or the squad you fly in. Your a lot of mouth on forums though and decent ACM....
If enough people leave. the game closes. How is that a "Win"?
The best thing that could happen to this game is loosing players like you. Forcing a certain someones hand to grab a new player base. I dont think you quite get that "our style of play does not hurt the game we play.... we dont need big numbers and constant furballs to play AH. HTC has HQ up for a reason and we will attack it as needed whenever we want.
Post by: Devil 505 on December 27, 2015, 01:51:00 PM
we dont need big numbers and constant furballs to play AH. HTC has HQ up for a reason and we will attack it as needed whenever we want.
This is an air combat game. Your actions inhibit air combat. Hence, your actions inhibits the game. End of story.
Post by: Bear76 on December 27, 2015, 02:03:06 PM
Fugi you and I play two totally different games. Your worthless outside of your element in this game and sadly your mistaken the majority of the time. I have flown with you guys and as I have stated before I am not impressed with you or the squad you fly in. Your a lot of mouth on forums though and decent ACM....
The best thing that could happen to this game is loosing players like you. Forcing a certain someones hand to grab a new player base. I dont think you quite get that "our style of play does not hurt the game we play.... we dont need big numbers and constant furballs to play AH. HTC has HQ up for a reason and we will attack it as needed whenever we want.
By all means run the rest of the people out of the game. You have no clue what this game is about and your rationale for grieving people is as lame as ever.
Post by: 68ZooM on December 27, 2015, 02:05:34 PM
Post by: Bear76 on December 27, 2015, 02:06:07 PM
You tell 'em V
I'm pretty new to all this. But I enjoy most aspects of the game. And I have tried a lot of different scenarios. GV's (Yeah the really long ones too!) Flying a fighter, which is my favorite, and completely mystifying at times. Bombers, gunnery, and even the PT boat a few times.
And I like bombing missions. Until you have been in a large formation with 262's 163, and 190's comin' from all sides... Well I find that to be pretty good combat action.
Tanks piss me off. Grrr...
And I have seen the strategic value of taking down strats. Including the HQ and city. More than once. Even if it is only to put a monkey wrench ij the attitude of the enemy, Make 'em lose their focus. Isn't that good combat tactics?
I came to this game from flight sims, strategy games like Risk, poker, and chess. Flight sims? Those guys are serious nerds and I can completely relate. The games, on the other hand all include intimidation, deception, attitude, and hopefully, a sense of humor.
I expected AH to be about strategy. So I like the current rules and tactics and am trying to learn to be better at a lot of different aspects of it. One thing about flying with a squad like the 49th is they expect you to be good at a lot of different tactics and scenarios. They are very generous to noobs like me with their time and advice. So I have tried a lot of different things I never even would have thought of on my own. And so I want to do well by them, Isn't that what being in a squad is all about? If that means going off on a loooong crazy drive once in a while, then not only so be it, but gleefully so. I probably still love the fighter planes the most, even though I still pretty much suck at it. But I enjoy most of the different scenarious too.
Hats off to you 49th, by the way, for putting up with me. They tolerate me even though they didn't know I was a left-wing wacko when I signed on. It does make for some lively discussions on those legendarily long 49er's missions.
I even find the whining to be entertaining. You wanna hate some 49er's? Go ahead. Better yet, up some fighter's, shoot my a&& outa the sky and screw up MY plans. Most of y'all seem to be able to shoot me down fairly regularly. <S> It's all supposed to be part of the FUN!
Anyway I'm having a ball the way AH is right now. Could it be better? Sure. Keep working on it. My biggest complaint is the generally rude behavior between a lot of players. 200 is like that morbidly bad movie scene you can't turn away from. But I still like to know the mind of the enemy, so I usually monitor it.
I say leave the HQ hardness alone. It adds a dimension to the game that I enjoy. You take out my HQ? Cool! Good for you. I will try to learn to either subvert your efforts or learn an alternative strategy to fight you. It's part of why this game is so addictive. Things that are hard to master give the greatest rewards when done well.
Remember. It's a game.
The country who loses their HQ usually sees a drop in players, because they log. Fact.
Post by: Wizz on December 27, 2015, 02:06:59 PM
By all means run the rest of the people out of the game. You have no clue what this game is about and your rationale for grieving people is as lame as ever.I can do this all day :ahand
I dont play to grief but I will gladly take on all of your anger.
Post by: Bear76 on December 27, 2015, 02:07:54 PM
I can do this all day :ahand
I dont play to grief but I will gladly take on all of your anger.
It's a game, I don't get angry. I just have a low tolerance for idiots.
Post by: Wizz on December 27, 2015, 02:10:14 PM
The country who loses their HQ usually sees a drop in players, because they log. Fact.Watching all the numbers let hordes run rampant... is more sickening. Watching all those numbers play selfishly...
Watching all of you waste time on this subject directing your feelings towards me :rofl
Post by: Zardoz on December 27, 2015, 02:10:34 PM
The country who loses their HQ usually sees a drop in players, because they log. Fact.
Go ahead run away. Just part of the strategy of the game.
Post by: Bear76 on December 27, 2015, 02:12:08 PM
Go ahead run away. Just part of the strategy of the game.
I hope you're joking.
Post by: Zardoz on December 27, 2015, 02:14:38 PM
Post by: Bear76 on December 27, 2015, 02:17:59 PM
Watching all the numbers let hordes run rampant... is more sickening. Watching all those numbers play selfishly...
Watching all of you waste time on this subject directing your feelings towards me :rofl
Taking out an HQ for nothing more than stirring up people is completely selfish when you have been told over and over by a large part of the player base that it all it does is run people off. That is the definition of selfish.
Post by: Bear76 on December 27, 2015, 02:19:52 PM
Nope. Run away. We'll take your bases.
We aren't talking about bases, we're talking about HQ's. Keep up.
Post by: Wizz on December 27, 2015, 02:23:41 PM
We aren't talking about bases, we're talking about HQ's. Keep up.that is what you fail to understand. We ARE talking about taking bases and playing a tatical game. you take it some other way...
Post by: Bear76 on December 27, 2015, 02:27:39 PM
that is what you fail to understand. We ARE talking about taking bases and playing a tatical game. you take it some other way...
So you take out HQ so you can capture bases unopposed? Great strategy. This game is about fighting, you know that right? :rofl
Post by: 68ZooM on December 27, 2015, 02:29:45 PM
So you take out HQ so you can capture bases unopposed? Great strategy. This game is about fighting, you know that right? :rofl
Sadly it's not about that any more.
Post by: Bear76 on December 27, 2015, 02:30:45 PM
Sadly it's not about that any more.
It never was with them.
Post by: Wizz on December 27, 2015, 02:41:59 PM
So you take out HQ so you can capture bases unopposed? Great strategy. This game is about fighting, you know that right? :roflTwo different ideals waging forum battle who will win.
As a buff player I see fighting differently than you. My objective is to destroy static objects. It is through countless hours and thousands of sorties that I have gained the ability to defend myself effectively. Fighting 100% of the time to me is pointless as buffs are at a disadvantage to fighters.
I enjoy a good fight. There is nothing like warding off multiple cons and still completing an objective. It is players like me that make it easier for the rest of the team to accomplish what they want out of this game. The very fact that if your not on me team and I decide to take out the HQ(Which is rare) is not my problem.
Post by: Wizz on December 27, 2015, 02:45:08 PM
Two different ideals waging forum battle who will win.On top of that the only HQ I ever attack is Bish HQ right along with the 49ers. Obviously your short minded logic lacks the ability to recognize the simple fact that the bish are full of bomb and bail HQ greifers....
As a buff player I see fighting differently than you. My objective is to destroy static objects. It is through countless hours and thousands of sorties that I have gained the ability to defend myself effectively. Fighting 100% of the time to me is pointless as buffs are at a disadvantage to fighters.
I enjoy a good fight. There is nothing like warding off multiple cons and still completing an objective. It is players like me that make it easier for the rest of the team to accomplish what they want out of this game. The very fact that if your not on me team and I decide to take out the HQ(Which is rare) is not my problem.
Post by: Vudak on December 27, 2015, 02:53:31 PM
that is what you fail to understand. We ARE talking about taking bases and playing a tatical game. you take it some other way...The only tactics I ever see from win the warriors are "lets blow all our E to be the 4th, 5th, or 6th con on one slow plane," or "let's take a 50/50 shot at a HO and a 100% chance of being outmerged," and "Gee lets go bomb the FH or even the BH but let's leave up the VH because carz r kool..." You aren't about "tactics..."
Post by: Wizz on December 27, 2015, 02:57:13 PM
Post by: Wizz on December 27, 2015, 02:59:07 PM
The only tactics I ever see from win the warriors are "lets blow all our E to be the 4th, 5th, or 6th con on one slow plane," or "let's take a 50/50 shot at a HO and a 100% chance of being outmerged," and "Gee lets go bomb the FH or even the BH but let's leave up the VH because carz r kool..." You aren't about "tactics..."your not talking about me... surely not!
This player does not make that mistake. If I leave a VH up or any target for that matter it is for a reason. Take that somewhere else :ahand
Post by: Bear76 on December 27, 2015, 03:00:14 PM
I for one welcome my HQ being down. There is nothing like taking away a spies ability to see where my goons are at when im taking a base. Believe me when I say there is something fishy when i have a goon parked on the outside of a dar just to bait a spy. Then have the player fly right to the goon and kill it!
Lol, Spiez!!!
Post by: Bear76 on December 27, 2015, 03:01:52 PM
Two different ideals waging forum battle who will win.
As a buff player I see fighting differently than you. My objective is to destroy static objects. It is through countless hours and thousands of sorties that I have gained the ability to defend myself effectively. Fighting 100% of the time to me is pointless as buffs are at a disadvantage to fighters.
I enjoy a good fight. There is nothing like warding off multiple cons and still completing an objective. It is players like me that make it easier for the rest of the team to accomplish what they want out of this game. The very fact that if your not on me team and I decide to take out the HQ(Which is rare) is not my problem.
OMG
Post by: Wizz on December 27, 2015, 03:03:53 PM
OMG:ahand :neener: all day bear. Your narrow minded bubba and I got you right where I want you and the rest of you whinners.
Post by: Bear76 on December 27, 2015, 03:08:52 PM
:ahand :neener: all day bear. Your narrow minded bubba and I got you right where I want you and the rest of you whinners.
You really don't have a clue do you? Bubba? Trust me you really don't want to go there. Narrow minded is when you are in a very small minority about an issue and refuse to accept popular opinion.
Post by: Wizz on December 27, 2015, 03:15:13 PM
You really don't have a clue do you? Bubba? Trust me you really don't want to go there. Narrow minded is when you are in a very small minority about an issue and refuse to accept popular opinion.lets go there bubba
You must change :neener:
The only thing you can do is come find me and shoot me down unless your taking this personal bubba. In that case my address can be given via pm apon request if you would like to discuss this in person :rock
Post by: Wizz on December 27, 2015, 03:15:55 PM
lets go there bubbalolz
You must change :neener:
The only thing you can do is come find me and shoot me down unless your taking this personal bubba. In that case my address can be given via pm apon request if you would like to discuss this in person :rock
Post by: Vraciu on December 27, 2015, 03:22:35 PM
Fugi you and I play two totally different games. Your worthless outside of your element in this game and sadly your mistaken the majority of the time. I have flown with you guys and as I have stated before I am not impressed with you or the squad you fly in. Your a lot of mouth on forums though and decent ACM....
The best thing that could happen to this game is loosing players like you. Forcing a certain someones hand to grab a new player base. I dont think you quite get that "our style of play does not hurt the game we play.... we dont need big numbers and constant furballs to play AH. HTC has HQ up for a reason and we will attack it as needed whenever we want.
Speak for yourself. I enjoy going into fights with Fugitive on my side. The game needs more like him and fewer like y--.
Post by: Vraciu on December 27, 2015, 03:23:11 PM
This is an air combat game. Your actions inhibit air combat. Hence, your actions inhibits the game. End of story.
Amen.
Post by: Bear76 on December 27, 2015, 03:23:35 PM
lets go there bubba
You must change :neener:
The only thing you can do is come find me and shoot me down unless your taking this personal bubba. In that case my address can be given via pm apon request if you would like to discuss this in person :rock
Seems you're the one taking it personal calling me names lol. You don't want to fight me. I'm mean and you would get hurt. Lol. Still quoting yourself I see.
Post by: 68ZooM on December 27, 2015, 03:23:57 PM
lets go there bubba
You must change :neener:
The only thing you can do is come find me and shoot me down unless your taking this personal bubba. In that case my address can be given via pm apon request if you would like to discuss this in person :rock
So now start insulting people with the "bubba" line Then basically want to meet up with another player to discuss it in "person" wow
You really need to go take a look in the mirror cause you are what is wrong with this game, you're whole attitude stinks.
The only way this HQ debate will ever be resolved is when they'll actually does something about it I guess when the numbers start Dwindling to where it affects his bottom line Dale will do something about it.
Post by: Changeup on December 27, 2015, 03:23:58 PM
1. 20 POTW have lots of jet perks
2. 6 Muppets also have lots of scram-jet perks
3. Wizz changes his name to 212Urine or Bladderpants..whichever happens first.
Wizz, these folks simply tolerate you right now and have a bit of fun on the BBS. However, if you continue to push your position of thinking that tard behavior is somehow a tactic of original design and you're simply repurposing it, you'll actually draw their ire. And then you'll be asking yourself the same question another failed tactician asked himself: "It wasn't his first time....he didn't think it would turn out that way...and it got worse, a lot worse and never, ever got better so how could this have happened to him?".
Giving your address out? lmao! You aint that tough boy. lol
Post by: Vraciu on December 27, 2015, 03:24:07 PM
It's a game, I don't get angry. I just have a low tolerance for idiots.
:rofl
Post by: Vraciu on December 27, 2015, 03:26:05 PM
Go ahead run away. Just part of the strategy of the game.
You're gonna' be out of friends Zardoz if you keep downing HQ. (Unless it is in retaliation that is.)
Post by: Zardoz on December 27, 2015, 04:33:44 PM
Post by: Vraciu on December 27, 2015, 04:56:59 PM
I got lot's of friends. Nice to know you're opinion though. It will certainly make me more deliberate as to who I choose to fight alongside.
I don't need to fly with HQ griefers if you are one. Trump doesn't need ĄJEB! and I don't need gameplay spoilers. I am mostly a lone wolf any way.
HQ griefers are being jerks. Full stop.
Post by: Vraciu on December 27, 2015, 06:30:15 PM
Again we see the 'if you were any good you would be able to anticipate....blah blah...'
Well, guess what, we have been around long enough to see what is going on but the game mechanics mean we are powerless to stop it. You are gaming the game, simple as that.
Ok, so your comeback is to say you are not powerless to stop it. All you need to do is run constant CAP. After all if you were any good you would do that.
Bunch of idiots doing their best to kill the fun for the majority.
Exactly. It was also mentioned by others that a single set of Lancs taking out the HQ is ridiculous. I agree. Especially when one considers that a team has to reenact the Berlin Airlift to bring it back online.
There is not one bit of rational proportionality to this aspect of the game.
Post by: BuckShot on December 27, 2015, 08:10:52 PM
Post by: The Fugitive on December 27, 2015, 08:36:16 PM
Fugi you and I play two totally different games. Your worthless outside of your element in this game and sadly your mistaken the majority of the time. I have flown with you guys and as I have stated before I am not impressed with you or the squad you fly in. Your a lot of mouth on forums though and decent ACM....
The best thing that could happen to this game is loosing players like you. Forcing a certain someones hand to grab a new player base. I dont think you quite get that "our style of play does not hurt the game we play.... we dont need big numbers and constant furballs to play AH. HTC has HQ up for a reason and we will attack it as needed whenever we want.
Again you speak of things you have no knowledge of.
While running ops one night 11 players and I took 11 bases in just over an hour accounting for over 60 kills and less than 20 deaths, most of them being goons. Not a single NOE, and the HQ wasn't down.
I have played all aspects of this game, DA, scenarios, WWI, all main arenas, all planes, all bombers, and most GVs. I have spawn camped, vulched, HOed, ganged and been ganged. I have dropped strat, and have resupplied strat. I have played this game since tour 21 under only two names, MDJOE and Fugitive. Even with the ridiculous hours you could spend it will still take you years to catch up to the time I have in this game.
In that time I have helped with skins, added content to the trainers page and even worked on a map, tho I never got it to a point to submit it. Map making is a long a tedious project that I just couldn't commit the time to. I also try to fly and fight with some honor. I won't dive bomb with hvy bombers, nor will I turn fight with them. They are also not to be used as a gun platform to vulch a field. I won't bail unless the plane isn't flyable. I try to RTB all flights, but only when I'm out of fuel or bullets.
You have flown with my squad and have been nothing but arrogant and a loud mouth on the radio. So much so that many squelched you before we even got near any combat. You flew for yourself, not the squad and it showed. It's a wonder anyone will fly with you.
It is players like me who have helped to keep HTC afloat. My $15 a month has come in EVERY month for a long time. In that time I have help many players get settled into this game bringing more money for HTC. I doubt very much if I have been the reason that any players have left, but your well on your way to being the root cause of many players canceling their subscriptions, heck, look how many you can cause to log out already!
We do need big numbers, not only for game play, but to keep HTC out of the red so that he can continue to provide the servers, tech, and upgrades to keep this game entertaining. You and you ilk seem to go out of your way to be counter productive to that by trying to drive players away.
If you were taking down the HQ to be tactical I would see a flurry of base captures just after you drop it. First off you guys are never shy about saying how long the HQ is going to be down for. How come we don't see all these bases being captured? In that 15 minute to and hour of the enemy being blind you would thing you could at least match what we did in the old days with 12 guys. My guess is you couldn't care less about "tactics" and are all about being a pain in the azz.
Your attitude is what is going to get you in trouble, I believe you have been warned once already. As for the HQ issues, I'm sure once AH is updated it will be fixed and you'll have to find some other way to get the attention you seem to need.
Post by: icepac on December 27, 2015, 09:10:16 PM
I don't need an unrealistic crutch to find the enemy.
The HQ being down draws you closer to full realism.
Post by: Vraciu on December 27, 2015, 09:15:16 PM
Nobody attempted to defend bish hq today as the bombers slowly crept there in an hour long flight......yet the same guys who won't lift a finger to defend are here whining.
I don't need an unrealistic crutch to find the enemy.
The HQ being down draws you closer to full realism.
That worked great for Warbirds didn't it? /sarc (Failed doughnut radar and reduced fidelity icon ranging, etc. Chased a lot of people to AH, myself included. )
Mustangs vs F4Us. Full realism at its finest. /sarc
Oh and by the way, new players want to find fights. They don't have your obviously superior intellect.
The rest of us, fighting twenty players spread across 350 bases, would like SOME idea of where the fight is.
Keep it up and you can have your full realism--in an empty arena.
(Total blackout of enemy locations was never brought about by a single run of three Lancs any way. You're way off here.)
Post by: Vraciu on December 27, 2015, 09:20:12 PM
Post by: VuduVee on December 27, 2015, 10:50:25 PM
Vuduvee, these people you say that are ganging/vulch's the end of the runway are Suppressing people while the town is being taken and captured, being vulched or ganged at the end of the runway CAN be prevented Simply by not upping there and up from the closest airfield to that one. This scenero only affects people trying to up from a base being taken.
When people kill HQ It affects the whole country of players And defending it is almost pointless unless you fly defense around it 24 hours a day at every Alt level looking for that 1 set of lancs or the people that drive GV's for endless hours to kill the HQ which is Undetectable until HQ is down.
lol, i know all about not lifting from vulched fields. you misread what i wrote. i wrote that people dont want to fly 10 mins to runway vulchers(not base takes) only to get ganged by every one of them. these same vulchers complain about no fights, but when i fly 10 mins to give them a fight and they gang one of the only reds willing to fight, their gripe doesnt hold water. theyre full of crap, they want their kills and they dont care if it kills the game or not. and it does, because when you get vulched and then next sortie fly 10 mins for a 30 second ganging, you do that about 2 times before you say thats too much work for nothing. then you log off. then you quit paying to play, because its a waste of time.
the guys in this thread are griping about not being able to find fights when HQ is down but when they do find one, they gang the crap out of them. theyre saying they want their way that kills the game but others are wrong for killing the game in their ways. ive logged many times because of ganging wannabe fighters and because of no HQ. a few times was the best of both of their worlds when it was 2 teams vs 1 team (with less players than either team) AND they kept hitting our HQ on top of the vulching gangers. guess what rooks did in droves? we logged. :aok
Post by: Vraciu on December 27, 2015, 11:20:57 PM
lol, i know all about not lifting from vulched fields. you misread what i wrote. i wrote that people dont want to fly 10 mins to runway vulchers(not base takes) only to get ganged by every one of them. these same vulchers complain about no fights, but when i fly 10 mins to give them a fight and they gang one of the only reds willing to fight, their gripe doesnt hold water. theyre full of crap, they want their kills and they dont care if it kills the game or not. and it does, because when you get vulched and then next sortie fly 10 mins for a 30 second ganging, you do that about 2 times before you say thats too much work for nothing. then you log off. then you quit paying to play, because its a waste of time.
the guys in this thread are griping about not being able to find fights when HQ is down but when they do find one, they gang the crap out of them. theyre saying they want their way that kills the game but others are wrong for killing the game in their ways. ive logged many times because of ganging wannabe fighters and because of no HQ. a few times was the best of both of their worlds when it was 2 teams vs 1 team (with less players than either team) AND they kept hitting our HQ on top of the vulching gangers. guess what rooks did in droves? we logged. :aok
Nice broad brush. I am outnumbered almost always. Irrelevant in any event.
Anything that makes it harder to find action drives away players. Is this supposed to be massively MULTI-player or not?
If not then close it down and we can all go chase drones offline.
The obtusiveness displayed by the self-appointed ruling class establishment around here is staggering.
Post by: Slade on December 28, 2015, 05:25:30 AM
For me though, is there a way or mode I can run the current AH and fly against AI when HQ is down or the numbers are so low that you cannot find a flight?
I'd rather fight\practice against AI than spend my limited time running resupply of HQ.
Thanks. :salute
Post by: Wizz on December 28, 2015, 07:38:41 AM
My prediction:your midget tactics lack substance. Tolerate away :ahand
1. 20 POTW have lots of jet perks
2. 6 Muppets also have lots of scram-jet perks
3. Wizz changes his name to 212Urine or Bladderpants..whichever happens first.
Wizz, these folks simply tolerate you right now and have a bit of fun on the BBS. However, if you continue to push your position of thinking that tard behavior is somehow a tactic of original design and you're simply repurposing it, you'll actually draw their ire. And then you'll be asking yourself the same question another failed tactician asked himself: "It wasn't his first time....he didn't think it would turn out that way...and it got worse, a lot worse and never, ever got better so how could this have happened to him?".
Giving your address out? lmao! You aint that tough boy. lol
Post by: Wizz on December 28, 2015, 07:54:43 AM
Whinnes falling on deaf ears. The shear lack of any intelligence in this conversation makes my head hurt. I actually love being classified as part of the problem when in fact im not. I love being the whipping boy of your frustrations. Reading your threats to quit the game reveals who some of you really are. The same goes for those who can't seem to figure out that LW is a war not a 1d battlebox. While most in this thread focus on 1 element in this game that can be overcome I just logged +30 hours of game time this holiday weekend with 2 accounts and loved every minute of it! Long ago I decided to not be like you guys and thank god I took this path!
So with all that said despite all of your best efforts im still not going to be hell bent on dropping HQ but if it's necessary its going down!
Hell yesterday I helped organize a great strat run. 2 29's and a 17 to city, 1 set of lancs for HQ, and my 2 sets of 17's to ammo and AAA. Now why would we include the HQ? Because no one can see you on the return trip home protecting the perk planes as much as possible! The mission was a complete success. If the HQ needs to go down or if its a simple want to by a player or group of players it wont matter how high you increase the hardness its going down.
Post by: Slade on December 28, 2015, 09:00:29 AM
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but if it's necessary its going down!
Excuse me Wizz. In your determination phase could you please factor in the number of players. If it is less than 90 could you please refrain from killing the game.
Thanks. :salute
Post by: Changeup on December 28, 2015, 09:11:45 AM
your midget tactics lack substance. Tolerate away :ahand
This coming from the Intardnet tough guy threatening to give his address out. You can't get out of your own way little man so stop with the weak-arse huckleberry routine. You ain't that tough.
Post by: Changeup on December 28, 2015, 09:14:25 AM
Post by: Wizz on December 28, 2015, 09:34:16 AM
Excuse me Wizz. In your determination phase could you please factor in the number of players. If it is less than 90 could you please refrain from killing the game.Going for HQ with 90 players is not my concern... numbers dont matter especially if someone is griefing my cou tries HQ.
Thanks. :salute
I appreciate the fact that your being polite unlike some people. I rarely attack HQ to begin with but will support HQ missions if the 49ers are on one.
The simple fact is I am going to voice my opinion over this subject and because im the loudest voice I get all the flak. If you dont have proof of what i do in game than it is mere speculation.
Lucky for yall im cool headed enough not to take this stuff personal and grief the hell out of HQ for the next week. It's just a waste of time. I can easily see myself doping that if I was who you think I am :rofl
Thus the forum battle remains and im here to chime in whenever the Wizz is needed as a voice of reason.
Post by: Wizz on December 28, 2015, 09:40:19 AM
Why is there always one turd that just won't flush? Finally got one turd to flush and now there's another floater...don't ya just hate that? Such a waste of good water.(http://m.quickmeme.com/img/c5/c54d81e9e54d6d674e48e58a70e0b1152186ac2e8f8f69a02f8ec013210a6b3e.jpg)
Post by: Hetzer7 on December 28, 2015, 09:47:07 AM
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Post by: Wizz on December 28, 2015, 09:57:47 AM
wow, a lot of tough guys in this thread. :rofltends to happen when someone is loosing an argument. I am simply calling ones bluff. Easy to throw words via a keyboard :rofl
I enjoy peoples perception of me as a whimpy teenage smart arse :x(https://shechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/dork-is-cool-0.jpg?quality=94&strip=info)
Post by: Vudak on December 28, 2015, 10:01:43 AM
tends to happen when someone is loosing an argument. I am simply calling ones bluff. Easy to throw words via a keyboard :roflI thought you were the guy that wanted to hand out his address? Or did I take that completely wrong, and you just wanted to invite Bear over for some tea and scones?
I enjoy peoples perception of me as a whimpy teenage smart arse :x(https://shechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/dork-is-cool-0.jpg?quality=94&strip=info)
Post by: Wizz on December 28, 2015, 10:05:56 AM
I thought you were the guy that wanted to hand out his address? Or did I take that completely wrong, and you just wanted to invite Bear over for some tea and scones?If someone feels offended by my words such as bear has and proceeds to tell me I dont want to go there you bet ill invite him over for tea and scrones :ahand
What do you think I meant? :x
Post by: Slade on December 28, 2015, 11:00:36 AM
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Going for HQ with 90 players is not my concern... numbers dont matter...
Wizz, let me try to understand you 100%.
Respectfully, are you saying you (and the 49'rs) will take HQ down even if it causes people to log off the game as a result [yes\no]?
Thanks. :salute
Post by: Scca on December 28, 2015, 11:05:08 AM
You are ignoring this user. Show me the post.Best choice I ever made
Post by: waystin2 on December 28, 2015, 12:38:55 PM
Best choice I ever madeI think I will try that. :aok
Post by: 1ijac on December 28, 2015, 12:39:15 PM
Post by: caldera on December 28, 2015, 12:53:47 PM
Best choice I ever made
Way ahead of you. :)
Why don't we quit blaming other players for a game feature. I believe HTC is aware of some players' issues with the HQ downtime. HTC has already stated that due to programing, they have to set the downtime and hardness of HQ on each map when it comes up. Sometimes, that doesn't get done right away due to after office hours or other pending company issues. They have taken steps to try different settings on HQ and yet it is greeted with more complaining. Although it is not so desirable, I choose to run supplies to HQ, help the country effort and get on with the game.
I made the thread to alert the proper authorities to the regression of the HQ kerfuffle. If enough people voice their rational and totally legitimate displeasure on this matter, HTC will resume the stopgap measures that diffused the situation a short time ago.
Personally, disabling the darbars for 1/3 of the players is not a good idea in the first place. It does nothing to promote combat and is just a frustrating chore to resupply the HQ or play hide and seek, hoping to find combat in a combat game that you are paying for.
Post by: Dundee on December 28, 2015, 12:54:57 PM
Best choice I ever made
We, or I, take the HQ down to stop a Bishop or Knight advance from rolling bases. It has been successful in the past so that is why we do it. If the Bishops or Knights decide to log off because they can deal with not taking bases, that is their choice. The other night our HQ was taken down.....we didn't freak out we took 2 Bishop bases while it was down.....so the HQ is not all that important. One bonus was the Bishop shade accounts couldn't see what we were doing.....so we really didn't care if it went down. And you might take note, most of the 49th HQ take downs are not done after 10p when most of the Bishops are logging off anyway, its really a waste of time.
If any country is rolling our bases, you can expect us to hit your HQ to force you to resup it. Don't forget we also endure ENY when a side logs off so we also take that into consideration if a mission is planned. The bottom line is, and its been said before by subscribers as well has Skuzzy.............you need to protect your HQ. I mean if you defended your HQ like you do some of your Vbases we wouldn't be able to take it down. You rarely see a HQ taken down in Mid or Early War because there are low numbers and like I said it does not give that much of an edge when there are few players. I mean really what is all that important about a Dar Bar....the base still flashes when there is an intruder.....the chat buffer still works....so there is still communication on country as well as voice chat.
And also when we do a GV mission to HQ we are now recording the operations......seems a few of the Bishops have the uncanny ability to find us when we are so far away the HQ doesn't flash. And when the HQ is taken down we move to a different position. We also change location if a plane fly's close just in case they were filming also. The Last GV mission we did we had people fly right to us.....so some one had some way to find GV that do not show up on a map....no one disco'd during that mission and was showing a dot. Something real fishy about how we were found out. No big deal, but were going to be filming missions in the future.....and using out of game coms.
Here's lookin at ya
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Post by: Dundee on December 28, 2015, 01:21:45 PM
This is an air combat game. Your actions inhibit air combat. Hence, your actions inhibits the game. End of story.
If you'd stop fur balling and protect your HQ, we wouldn't be having this discussion, you guys are just lazy.
Post by: Hetzer7 on December 28, 2015, 01:23:09 PM
Post by: Bear76 on December 28, 2015, 01:24:01 PM
If someone feels offended by my words such as bear has and proceeds to tell me I dont want to go there you bet ill invite him over for tea and scrones :ahand
What do you think I meant? :x
Hard to be offended when I'm laughing at your propensity of making a fool of yourself. If you are adamant you want to look me up sure I'm send you my address. Recommend leaving your return date open though. Try to save you some money for any cancellation fees.
Post by: NatCigg on December 28, 2015, 01:27:40 PM
Why don't we quit blaming other players for a game feature. I believe HTC is aware of some players' issues with the HQ downtime. HTC has already stated that due to programing, they have to set the downtime and hardness of HQ on each map when it comes up. Sometimes, that doesn't get done right away due to after office hours or other pending company issues. They have taken steps to try different settings on HQ and yet it is greeted with more complaining. Although it is not so desirable, I choose to run supplies to HQ, help the country effort and get on with the game.
good points here. addressing complaints led to more problems. first of all hq is designed as the ultimate bomber target, for its destruction the player influences the enemys most valuable asset in the air war, radar, :aok. even better the most valuable fighter plane in the game is available only to defend the hq. and hq is deep in enemy territory, in theory, helping to recreate the long dangerous fights that were a hallmark of ww2 air combat. therefore a great feature! not much more should need to be said. :banana: cool game.
now the meddling, whines about the value of strats leads to creation of progressive down times and minuscule supplys for hq. creating the most profound current paradigm concerning hq.
next, as would be expected, players find fun and skill in bombing and enjoy flying to the mecca of bomber targets, hq. :aok
noe, the tactic used to this day in real life, causes defense of hq to be difficult, hq should have the defense to shed most bombers below 10k.
I guess hitech will address these issues in the next version. putting maned guns at hq would allow a speedy defense to low altitude attacks. detaching hq downtime from the city strat would limit the excessively long downtime to hq therefore lowering hqs value. also, increasing the hardness of hq to a level that two formations are necessary would add targets to the scene and eliminate lone wolf attacks. he could even eliminate the radar as the destruction reward. with hope, i wish htc does not remove the ability to destroy a bombers worst enemy, radar, maybe a nice subtle compromise. one where the carrot is still there but the stick is a little longer. i remember days when hq was not a problem, it was a goal. i surmise low numbers and a aging populace are to shoulder some of the blame also. :salute
Post by: Dundee on December 28, 2015, 01:52:24 PM
Way ahead of you. :)
I made the thread to alert the proper authorities to the regression of the HQ kerfuffle. If enough people voice their rational and totally legitimate displeasure on this matter, HTC will resume the stopgap measures that diffused the situation a short time ago.
Personally, disabling the darbars for 1/3 of the players is not a good idea in the first place. It does nothing to promote combat and is just a frustrating chore to resupply the HQ or play hide and seek, hoping to find combat in a combat game that you are paying for.
And we payed the same amount to take your HQ down..........Can't find fights, hey use the text buffer and ask your country where the action is....or is that beyond your talents?
Post by: Devil 505 on December 28, 2015, 02:14:15 PM
If you'd stop fur balling and protect your HQ, we wouldn't be having this discussion, you guys are just lazy.
Why would a furballer want to? There are more potential targets at the front which are closer to a take-off field and at a lower altitude. It's really a factor of fun over time. Too much time spent in intercepting strat raiders for too little action.
Post by: bustr on December 28, 2015, 02:24:09 PM
When the HQ goes down, the condition of the City will effect how long it will take for the HQ to repair. Did anyone notice your bomber hero's making trips to your City before they put out your lights? Just protect and resupply your City. It's percentage down condition effects the time for the HQ. Or, maybe ask for the City to be changed from 180min down and .8438lbs to take buildings down in it.
At this point if the City cannot really be destroyed, you no longer really have strat to effect the over all condition of your country. And then Aces High becomes a furballer paradise and the few bomber pilots willing to up anymore find another game. Seems both sides of this argument is willing to kill the game to make themselves feel good if it means sticking it to the other guy is the result.
Back in the day we could afford arguments like this in these forums. Yes, these arguments caused players to cancel their accounts or to never subscribe in the first place. In the past this business and our community could weather it because of the greater numbers who enjoyed playing the game. Today, seems you guys are more concerned about garbage fights as usual versus. We don't have the numbers anymore to eat our own no matter how good it feels to drag someone to the hot place with you just to get that messy stinking hot tat for some perceived tit.
Our numbers are so low now, ain't nobody else here making this place into a newbies go away or else zone. You guys are eating your own no different than 10 years ago. You just had numbers to hide it behind.
Post by: Vraciu on December 28, 2015, 03:18:17 PM
If you'd stop fur balling and protect your HQ, we wouldn't be having this discussion, you guys are just lazy.
^^^^^^^ Doesn't get it. Must have skipped all the posts in this thread.
Post by: Slade on December 28, 2015, 03:27:41 PM
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Wizz, let me try to understand you 100%.
Respectfully, are you saying you (and the 49'rs) will take HQ down even if it causes people to log off the game as a result [yes\no]?
Thanks. :salute
Thanks for the posts. To the brand new BBS users and old.
I'd really like Wizz to answer this so I am 100% clear in understanding him. Thanks again. :salute
Post by: Masherbrum on December 28, 2015, 03:40:22 PM
Best choice I ever made
Yep and any of the 49. Nothing but drivel ladeled with misallocation of taktix.
Post by: Wizz on December 28, 2015, 03:58:39 PM
Thanks for the posts. To the brand new BBS users and old.I do not speak for or on behalf of the 49ers.
I'd really like Wizz to answer this so I am 100% clear in understanding him. Thanks again. :salute
1. The only time I feel it is necessary to take out an HQ is whenever I feel it is necessary.
2. If I attack HQ and that is a huge if 9/10 times its for revenge, defense, or to support an HQ mission regardless of who is attacking.
3. What will always stop me from attacking is how it wont benefit me. If I attack HQ someone will attack mine so its best to leave it alone.
4. I would much rather attack a city and AAA factory then take bases then attack the HQ any day of the week.
Most of you carry this entitled mentality that only makes you look like fools. It makes it that much sweeter of a target for others who are reading.
Call me the HQ boogie monster :x
Post by: Slade on December 28, 2015, 04:23:33 PM
Post by: Hetzer7 on December 28, 2015, 05:07:15 PM
^^^^^^^ Doesn't get it. Must have skipped all the posts in this thread.
HQ dies, furballers cry?
Post by: Dundee on December 28, 2015, 06:44:30 PM
Hitech could get really naughty with radar. He cannot do any more to radar at the HQ than change down time to 1min and the current 125,000lb of bombs is the max setting. He could do the same for the radar bunker at the base of each radar tower. Along with that, change the radar ring diameter to it's gigantic max for each base. Then raise the NOE limit back to 250 or show everything everywhere.
When the HQ goes down, the condition of the City will effect how long it will take for the HQ to repair. Did anyone notice your bomber hero's making trips to your City before they put out your lights? Just protect and resupply your City. It's percentage down condition effects the time for the HQ. Or, maybe ask for the City to be changed from 180min down and .8438lbs to take buildings down in it.
At this point if the City cannot really be destroyed, you no longer really have strat to effect the over all condition of your country. And then Aces High becomes a furballer paradise and the few bomber pilots willing to up anymore find another game. Seems both sides of this argument is willing to kill the game to make themselves feel good if it means sticking it to the other guy is the result.
Back in the day we could afford arguments like this in these forums. Yes, these arguments caused players to cancel their accounts or to never subscribe in the first place. In the past this business and our community could weather it because of the greater numbers who enjoyed playing the game. Today, seems you guys are more concerned about garbage fights as usual versus. We don't have the numbers anymore to eat our own no matter how good it feels to drag someone to the hot place with you just to get that messy stinking hot tat for some perceived tit.
Our numbers are so low now, ain't nobody else here making this place into a newbies go away or else zone. You guys are eating your own no different than 10 years ago. You just had numbers to hide it behind.
Your right buster.......not to telegraph our punches, if the City is down then the "Iron is hot to strike". The thing to remember is.....When you don't care about your HQ, and your enemy does...........that's when your in real trouble.
Post by: Pepprr on December 28, 2015, 06:46:45 PM
If you'd stop fur balling and protect your HQ, we wouldn't be having this discussion, you guys are just lazy.
Flying around in circles all night around the HQ doesn't sound like a very fun night. When we finally do find bombers,
they are usually at 35K...yippy. :rolleyes:
Lazy? Well if I were lazy I would probably just put my plane on autopilot and fly 8 sectors to get to the enemy HQ... :confused:
I like the edge of your seat action of when you fly into a group of red guys and see how many you can kill before they
even get a shot on you. If you die, you get a new plane and get right back in there. That is the opposite of lazy.. :D
Post by: vHACKv on December 28, 2015, 07:08:05 PM
Post by: Wizz on December 28, 2015, 08:04:16 PM
See Rule #4
Post by: Wizz on December 28, 2015, 08:06:47 PM
Flying around in circles all night around the HQ doesn't sound like a very fun night. When we finally do find bombers,lol yes thats what we do with our time in game :rofl
they are usually at 35K...yippy. :rolleyes:
Lazy? Well if I were lazy I would probably just put my plane on autopilot and fly 8 sectors to get to the enemy HQ... :confused:
I like the edge of your seat action of when you fly into a group of red guys and see how many you can kill before they
even get a shot on you. If you die, you get a new plane and get right back in there. That is the opposite of lazy.. :D
Post by: Masherbrum on December 28, 2015, 09:42:23 PM
Post by: Pepprr on December 28, 2015, 09:59:41 PM
Hard to call yourself a man when you cry tears of a girl.
I have never seen so many whine about something so small. Just re-supp the damn thing and change your panties / tampon.
IT IS AN EFFING GAME PEOPLE! Suck it up, or I will drive over to my mom's house and pick her up, then bring her to your house to challenge you to a fist fight. Just to watch her kick your little whiny ass, as I will not hit a girl or a woman.
Try not to get yourself too excited or you'll be the one needing to change there panties...or do you need a piddle pad? :rolleyes:
I have and will again re-supp. I find it quite boring and not why I want to play the game, that's all I'm saying.
Post by: 49Dallas on December 28, 2015, 10:33:31 PM
Wizz, let me try to understand you 100%.
Respectfully, are you saying you (and the 49'rs) will take HQ down even if it causes people to log off the game as a result [yes\no]?
Thanks. :salute
Wizz isn't a 49er. People shouldn't log off because the HQ is down, Just to get on the BBS and cry about it. They should see us coming and stop us. If you're not going to defend your strategic targets you have no right to cry about it.
"When you kill the HQ people quit"
They shouldn't just because they can't see the darbar. Bases still flash when the HQ goes down.
"You can't find the furball when the HQ goes down"
There probably was one before the HQ went down, Why don't you read country chat and find out where the action is, It's not very hard to find a fight. If a base is flashing then you should investigate.
"Killing the HQ only negatively effects the game" ALSO "This game isn't about war"
The HQ is a strategic target, It's literally the same as killing any strat aka strategic target aka ack factory, ord factory, aka city. Killing strategic targets are part of the game. Killing strategic targets positively effects the war effort keeping towns, radars, ords, ect. down for a longer period of time. This game is about war weather we want to admit it or not, The objective of this game is to capture the required number of bases and win the war.
Post by: Tumor on December 28, 2015, 10:42:59 PM
Post by: NatCigg on December 28, 2015, 11:21:08 PM
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Post by: Bear76 on December 29, 2015, 01:05:23 AM
Wizz isn't a 49er. People shouldn't log off because the HQ is down, Just to get on the BBS and cry about it. They should see us coming and stop us. If you're not going to defend your strategic targets you have no right to cry about it.
"When you kill the HQ people quit"
They shouldn't just because they can't see the darbar. Bases still flash when the HQ goes down.
"You can't find the furball when the HQ goes down"
There probably was one before the HQ went down, Why don't you read country chat and find out where the action is, It's not very hard to find a fight. If a base is flashing then you should investigate.
"Killing the HQ only negatively effects the game" ALSO "This game isn't about war"
The HQ is a strategic target, It's literally the same as killing any strat aka strategic target aka ack factory, ord factory, aka city. Killing strategic targets are part of the game. Killing strategic targets positively effects the war effort keeping towns, radars, ords, ect. down for a longer period of time. This game is about war weather we want to admit it or not, The objective of this game is to capture the required number of bases and win the war.
You guys really need to stop trying to justify it. There is no justification for ignorance. The vast majority of the people in the game disagree with you and always will. At least spare us these BBS posts. It took Dallas two days to write his post. :lol
Post by: vHACKv on December 29, 2015, 01:59:56 AM
See how Pepprr responded down there? That is how you do it, take it and dish it back out while making a funny.
The group of players that constantly whine and troll are driving me away. The grumpy old fart this is how you play the game mentality is getting old. Oh and don't forget to add the "I have been here since 19XX" passive aggressive possessive statement. Good news though, I think grumpy old farts are a self righting problem. Finding new ways to defeat the enemy however, never gets old.
One thing that has been bringing me joy though is the worry that this is fixed in the new version. This HQ tactic is so effective that the chorus of whines is already trying to address and influence the new game. :rofl
Lets not forget, even at our most effective HQ killing, it was down what 3 out of 168 hours a week? Or if you need facts to skew later Bear, that is about 1.785% of the time. People threaten to quit over that, or are they just bluffing with their subscription? How many people did quit? Do you have a stat or names? I doubt there is even one true lost player.
This will be my last post, so don't bother trying the usual flame bait / troll. On second thought, go crazy with the trolling, you always will.
Post by: Vraciu on December 29, 2015, 03:35:54 AM
You guys really need to stop trying to justify it. There is no justification for ignorance. The vast majority of the people in the game disagree with you and always will. At least spare us these BBS posts. It took Dallas two days to write his post. :lol
Bear, I've tried to tell you to stop using logic on these people. You're wasting your time.
Post by: Vraciu on December 29, 2015, 03:36:41 AM
Try not to get yourself too excited or you'll be the one needing to change there panties...or do you need a piddle pad? :rolleyes:
I have and will again re-supp. I find it quite boring and not why I want to play the game, that's all I'm saying.
You said it well, Pep, particularly in your prior post. :aok
Post by: Vraciu on December 29, 2015, 03:38:47 AM
I think the General Forum no longer serves a purpose other than a sounding board for trolling, and you Sir are the highlight of that. Good luck with the trolling and forum rank score thing.
See how Pepprr responded down there? That is how you do it, take it and dish it back out while making a funny.
The group of players that constantly whine and troll are driving me away. The grumpy old fart this is how you play the game mentality is getting old. Oh and don't forget to add the "I have been here since 19XX" passive aggressive possessive statement. Good news though, I think grumpy old farts are a self righting problem. Finding new ways to defeat the enemy however, never gets old.
One thing that has been bringing me joy though is the worry that this is fixed in the new version. This HQ tactic is so effective that the chorus of whines is already trying to address and influence the new game. :rofl
Lets not forget, even at our most effective HQ killing, it was down what 3 out of 168 hours a week? Or if you need facts to skew later Bear, that is about 1.785% of the time. People threaten to quit over that, or are they just bluffing with their subscription? How many people did quit? Do you have a stat or names? I doubt there is even one true lost player.
This will be my last post, so don't bother trying the usual flame bait / troll. On second thought, go crazy with the trolling, you always will.
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Bear is not exactly someone I would call my best friend in AH....but he has made the point repeatedly. He's right.
How is this issue so hard to understand?????????
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Post by: Wizz on December 29, 2015, 04:15:07 AM
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????V you and I have spent a good amount of time together on the shades Vox and I like you so try not to take any of this personal. What is at odds are two totally different styles of game play. On one hand you have players like yourself. On the other you have strategic players like myself. In betwenn are players who simply play for their own fulfillment. Whenever I have participated in a run on HQ whether as support or by myself it is with purpose. It's an unfortunate circumstance that the receiving party looses the ability to track down a good fight.
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Bear is not exactly someone I would call my best friend in AH....but he has made the point repeatedly. He's right.
How is this issue so hard to understand?????????
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Perhaps its the countless times I have watched hordes roll base after base and nothing is done about it. Despite the fact that players like yourself stand by and not engage to stop it that is why I dont care whether or not it ruins peoples game play. The fact is players fall into two categories. Those who play selfishly and those who play as a team.
I will never change the way I play the game. If I decide to help drop an HQ or take it down by myself than I will do that. I would much rather do what I did tonight taking airbases. Out of my last 100 sorties I have made 1 HQ run and that was poke the eyes out of bish who were hording horribly. Yet I have taken or helped take about 40-50 bases since I came back last week, run dozens of strat ops porking ords or barracks along with sutting bases down left and right. On top of that numerous strat runs. All so that its easier for players on my team to have an advantage.
Post by: Tumor on December 29, 2015, 04:23:08 AM
HiTech, please... unlock the door.
Post by: Vraciu on December 29, 2015, 04:54:53 AM
What happens when you lock a monkey in a room with a football?
HiTech, please... unlock the door.
Screw 'em, Tumor. We will just wing up as the Pony Express and wreck them all. :rock :salute
Post by: Vraciu on December 29, 2015, 04:57:24 AM
V you and I have spent a good amount of time together on the shades Vox and I like you so try not to take any of this personal. What is at odds are two totally different styles of game play. On one hand you have players like yourself. On the other you have strategic players like myself. In betwenn are players who simply play for their own fulfillment. Whenever I have participated in a run on HQ whether as support or by myself it is with purpose. It's an unfortunate circumstance that the receiving party looses the ability to track down a good fight.
Perhaps its the countless times I have watched hordes roll base after base and nothing is done about it. Despite the fact that players like yourself stand by and not engage to stop it that is why I dont care whether or not it ruins peoples game play. The fact is players fall into two categories. Those who play selfishly and those who play as a team.
I will never change the way I play the game. If I decide to help drop an HQ or take it down by myself than I will do that. I would much rather do what I did tonight taking airbases. Out of my last 100 sorties I have made 1 HQ run and that was poke the eyes out of bish who were hording horribly. Yet I have taken or helped take about 40-50 bases since I came back last week, run dozens of strat ops porking ords or barracks along with sutting bases down left and right. On top of that numerous strat runs. All so that its easier for players on my team to have an advantage.
Bruh, taking down the HQ when we have low population serves no purpose. I am a multi-dimensional player with Lone Wolf tendencies. Don't get too high on yourself. Dar griefing is crap when we barely have 75 players on and 4,593 bases... Knock it off.
Post by: Airsharks on December 29, 2015, 05:36:13 AM
The country who loses their HQ usually sees a drop in players, because they log. Fact.NOT FACT YOUR SCREW IS LOOSE I HAVE BEEN MONITORING THE PLAYER BASE AND IN FACT BISH HAVE SAME OR MORE PLAYERS AFTER HQ DOWNING.
Post by: FESS67 on December 29, 2015, 05:42:28 AM
They should see us coming and stop us. If you're not going to defend your strategic targets you have no right to cry about it.
- How long is the HQ flashing to alert of the impending attack?
- I assume from your comment that you make no attempt to hide your attack - or do you feel people should be patrolling the approaches to the HQ in case of attack?
- In your opinion how long do you think the fighter pilot should spend on their patrol? I usually load about 30 mins of gas. Would you think that is long enough?
"When you kill the HQ people quit"
They shouldn't just because they can't see the darbar. Bases still flash when the HQ goes down.
"You can't find the furball when the HQ goes down"
There probably was one before the HQ went down, Why don't you read country chat and find out where the action is, It's not very hard to find a fight. If a base is flashing then you should investigate.
- How many bases flash (with radar up) due to GV activity rather than air contacts?
- Of those bases flashing due to air contacts how many are indicators of a fight rather than a lone hi alt buff?
- Without Dar, how would you suggest the fighter pilot determines the root cause of the base flashing?
"Killing the HQ only negatively effects the game" ALSO "This game isn't about war"[/u][/b]
The HQ is a strategic target, It's literally the same as killing any strat aka strategic target aka ack factory, ord factory, aka city. Killing strategic targets are part of the game. Killing strategic targets positively effects the war effort keeping towns, radars, ords, ect. down for a longer period of time. This game is about war weather we want to admit it or not, The objective of this game is to capture the required number of bases and win the war.
I do not argue that an HQ is a strategic target and in a war environment would be something that should be taken out. I would argue this though:-
To effectively hit such a strategically important target and cause such a widespread negative impact on the opposing forces ability to wage war should be practically impossible. In this game, with such large maps and small player base, finding and engaging the enemy is key to both the practicality of defending bases but also, crucially, to the fun of the player base (or a decent portion of it).
Back to my fighter pilot.......remember he has a couple of hours on some week nights and 4 hours on a Saturday.
Where does he want to spend his time?
- Duke it out with the bad guys
- Fly 4 x combat patrols around the HQ in case someone is going to attack. Remember to grab to 35k in case they are high alt buffs
- look for flashing bases - relocate - take off - look for cons, maybe 10 or 15 minutes - nothing sighted - land and move to next flashing base....should get at least 16 of these fun flights in my time on.
- Take off and head to flashing base - 1/2 way there base stops flashing but see on chat buffer help needed at base xxx. Land quickly. Relocate.....take off and head to the fight...enemy dead.....fly cover in case they come back...maybe 15 minutes.
- A call comes in - base yyy is under attack.....fly 5 mins to land....relocate....lift in time to see the last attacker die to ack....stay in air in case they come back.......another base starts to flash....
- Log off. Go fly MS Flight Simulator - actually more action flying a 737 LA to Vegas - hell, might even get in a Cessna and try to buzz one of the jets!!
I would prefer to fly and fight.
The truth is the dar going down is not what most of the player base want. Sure you can do it but it is not what the majority of the player base want. I think ultimately it comes down to that.
How about we add a GV factory and if it is taken out no GVs can spawn for the designated down time? How many would love that one?
Post by: Slade on December 29, 2015, 06:27:44 AM
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The HQ is a strategic target,
So is my wallet. I pay to find and engage ACM. I tried to get a few friends into AH some months back. They said it was bull*$(@ to have to wait that long to get any action.
On the up side I am excited about AH3! How it handles the HQ phenomena. I am going to download it and help these guys out. :rock
Post by: VuduVee on December 29, 2015, 02:33:08 PM
You guys really need to stop trying to justify it. There is no justification for ignorance. The vast majority of the people in the game disagree with you and always will. At least spare us these BBS posts. It took Dallas two days to write his post. :lol
hey bear, i agree that taking down HQ's blows. but i have to say that you guys vulching runways and ganging every red guy that attempts to fight blows also. you guys could at least try to do your part to keep this game alive, but you dont. you seem to want to kill the game in your ways but god forbid the HQ griefers kill it in their way. if you truly wanted a fight, you and your squad wouldnt hang at the end of runways ganging any red that stupidly ups. im done with flying 10 mins to try to find a fight only to get ganged. if you truly wanted a "fight" you and your squad would back off the end of runways and you and your squad would not gang one of the very very few people who will fight. i guarantee you guys wont do this though, you want what you want and to hell with everyone else. you guys kill the game as much as any HQ greifer imo. and then gripe about no fights. but you and your squad had fights and blew it with the ganging crap.
Post by: Wizz on December 29, 2015, 03:50:17 PM
Bruh, taking down the HQ when we have low population serves no purpose. I am a multi-dimensional player with Lone Wolf tendencies. Don't get too high on yourself. Dar griefing is crap when we barely have 75 players on and 4,593 bases... Knock it off.Bruh I rarely drop HQ.... your perception of me is severely misplaced. Anytime im high on myself it is well earned. Your arguing with the wrong player.
Like I have said before I dont mind taking all the flack on bbs for HQ griefing simply for voicing my opinion on the matter. You trolls need someone to take out your frustrations on and it might as well be me :neener:
Im a base taking player. Beside V there has never been a time where I have dropped an HQ over yours while you were playing..... ever :ahand
Post by: Wizz on December 29, 2015, 03:52:44 PM
Dallas, let me address your post as objectively as I can. I am here for the fighter combat experience and understand that others are here for other reasons. I will comment from the perspective of a fighter pilot and I will assume that this pilot is like me and has maybe 2 hours now and again on a week night and 4 hours on a Saturday.I cant argue most points here. the fact that dar goes down though is not an argument your going to win. Its a war not a fighter arena which is why the system has never changed. HQ needs to be better defended simply put with manned guns I have always said that. Take away the NOE strike ability on it.
- How long is the HQ flashing to alert of the impending attack?
- I assume from your comment that you make no attempt to hide your attack - or do you feel people should be patrolling the approaches to the HQ in case of attack?
- In your opinion how long do you think the fighter pilot should spend on their patrol? I usually load about 30 mins of gas. Would you think that is long enough?
- How many bases flash (with radar up) due to GV activity rather than air contacts?
- Of those bases flashing due to air contacts how many are indicators of a fight rather than a lone hi alt buff?
- Without Dar, how would you suggest the fighter pilot determines the root cause of the base flashing?
I do not argue that an HQ is a strategic target and in a war environment would be something that should be taken out. I would argue this though:-
To effectively hit such a strategically important target and cause such a widespread negative impact on the opposing forces ability to wage war should be practically impossible. In this game, with such large maps and small player base, finding and engaging the enemy is key to both the practicality of defending bases but also, crucially, to the fun of the player base (or a decent portion of it).
Back to my fighter pilot.......remember he has a couple of hours on some week nights and 4 hours on a Saturday.
Where does he want to spend his time?
- Duke it out with the bad guys
- Fly 4 x combat patrols around the HQ in case someone is going to attack. Remember to grab to 35k in case they are high alt buffs
- look for flashing bases - relocate - take off - look for cons, maybe 10 or 15 minutes - nothing sighted - land and move to next flashing base....should get at least 16 of these fun flights in my time on.
- Take off and head to flashing base - 1/2 way there base stops flashing but see on chat buffer help needed at base xxx. Land quickly. Relocate.....take off and head to the fight...enemy dead.....fly cover in case they come back...maybe 15 minutes.
- A call comes in - base yyy is under attack.....fly 5 mins to land....relocate....lift in time to see the last attacker die to ack....stay in air in case they come back.......another base starts to flash....
- Log off. Go fly MS Flight Simulator - actually more action flying a 737 LA to Vegas - hell, might even get in a Cessna and try to buzz one of the jets!!
I would prefer to fly and fight.
The truth is the dar going down is not what most of the player base want. Sure you can do it but it is not what the majority of the player base want. I think ultimately it comes down to that.
How about we add a GV factory and if it is taken out no GVs can spawn for the designated down time? How many would love that one?
Post by: Wizz on December 29, 2015, 03:54:46 PM
hey bear, i agree that taking down HQ's blows. but i have to say that you guys vulching runways and ganging every red guy that attempts to fight blows also. you guys could at least try to do your part to keep this game alive, but you dont. you seem to want to kill the game in your ways but god forbid the HQ griefers kill it in their way. if you truly wanted a fight, you and your squad wouldnt hang at the end of runways ganging any red that stupidly ups. im done with flying 10 mins to try to find a fight only to get ganged. if you truly wanted a "fight" you and your squad would back off the end of runways and you and your squad would not gang one of the very very few people who will fight. i guarantee you guys wont do this though, you want what you want and to hell with everyone else. you guys kill the game as much as any HQ greifer imo. and then gripe about no fights. but you and your squad had fights and blew it with the ganging crap.:cheers:
Problem Vuudoo is people like that do not care to see it any other way but their own and will not budge. They are old stubborn players and in my opinion they can quit for all I care. That's why im not changing the way I play and will continue to be a thorn in their sides here on bbs and in-game. Still not going to grief HQ though...
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 29, 2015, 04:09:51 PM
You fly 250 Mph plane at 5K and wonder why you get ganged?
You refuse to up from another base so you get jumped by high cons around the field.
If you cant learn to play the game better and be more successful at getting kills and not dying, maybe you need to learn a new plane, a new style, or learn the game better.
Sheesh
Going back to the HQ problem. It needs to be fixed and better organized. Killing the HQ is for newbs and provides absolutely NO STRATEGY. God you guys are fools if you think it actually helps your team win the map with 100 players on. It doesn't, you suck, and you are wasting your time.
Post by: NatCigg on December 29, 2015, 04:15:08 PM
Post by: Wizz on December 29, 2015, 04:18:43 PM
God you guys are sad.It provides enough strategy to completely derail a lot of people. If I want an advantage such as not being able to be tracked the HQ must go! No matter what time of day. The argument mute.
You fly 250 Mph plane at 5K and wonder why you get ganged?
You refuse to up from another base so you get jumped by high cons around the field.
If you cant learn to play the game better and be more successful at getting kills and not dying, maybe you need to learn a new plane, a new style, or learn the game better.
Sheesh
Going back to the HQ problem. It needs to be fixed and better organized. Killing the HQ is for newbs and provides absolutely NO STRATEGY. God you guys are fools if you think it actually helps your team win the map with 100 players on. It doesn't, you suck, and you are wasting your time.
Yes HQ needs to be better defended I agree with you there. add manned guns!
Post by: 49ZERO on December 29, 2015, 04:31:27 PM
Post by: VuduVee on December 29, 2015, 04:37:39 PM
God you guys are sad.
You fly 250 Mph plane at 5K and wonder why you get ganged?
You refuse to up from another base so you get jumped by high cons around the field.
If you cant learn to play the game better and be more successful at getting kills and not dying, maybe you need to learn a new plane, a new style, or learn the game better.
Sheesh
Going back to the HQ problem. It needs to be fixed and better organized. Killing the HQ is for newbs and provides absolutely NO STRATEGY. God you guys are fools if you think it actually helps your team win the map with 100 players on. It doesn't, you suck, and you are wasting your time.
it works both ways doesnt it Violator? you dont want to fly 10 mins to a fight do you? neither do i. thats pretty much the idea behind the gripes you guys have isnt it? but, somehow, flying for 10 mins is crap if you have to do it, but if i have to do it, its just fine in your book. why cant/wont you compromise if you truly want a fight? it amounts to what ive said already, you guys want your way that kills the game, but god forbid others way of killing the game. imo, HQ greifers and vulcher/gangers are killing the game equally.
Post by: Vraciu on December 29, 2015, 04:46:00 PM
it works both ways doesnt it Violator? you dont want to fly 10 mins to a fight do you? neither do i. thats pretty much the idea behind the gripes you guys have isnt it? but, somehow, flying for 10 mins is crap if you have to do it, but if i have to do it, its just fine in your book. why cant/wont you compromise if you truly want a fight? it amounts to what ive said already, you guys want your way that kills the game, but god forbid others way of killing the game. imo, HQ greifers and vulcher/gangers are killing the game equally.
Not the same thing. Without radar one can drone around for 45 minutes and never even see an enemy. Especially when numbers are low and maps are large.
My K/H is low because I tend to fly a slow climbing airplane. I almost always roll a base or two back from the fight. I learned the hard way that rolling closer doesn't work--at least for me--because I wind up getting bounced and flamed repeatedly. I'm with Violator on this one.
Post by: 49Dallas on December 29, 2015, 05:07:09 PM
You guys really need to stop trying to justify it. There is no justification for ignorance. The vast majority of the people in the game disagree with you and always will. At least spare us these BBS posts. It took Dallas two days to write his post. :lol
It took me five minutes, After days if hearing you cry about it.
Post by: Bear76 on December 29, 2015, 05:33:02 PM
NOT FACT YOUR SCREW IS LOOSE I HAVE BEEN MONITORING THE PLAYER BASE AND IN FACT BISH HAVE SAME OR MORE PLAYERS AFTER HQ DOWNING.
You're delusional and your caps key is broken. When the HQ goes down many players on the team that lose the HQ log. Fact.
Post by: Bear76 on December 29, 2015, 05:35:07 PM
It took me five minutes, After days if hearing you cry about it.
It's ignorant regardless. Quit trying to defend something a handful of players do to grief the game.
Post by: Bear76 on December 29, 2015, 05:39:56 PM
hey bear, i agree that taking down HQ's blows. but i have to say that you guys vulching runways and ganging every red guy that attempts to fight blows also. you guys could at least try to do your part to keep this game alive, but you dont. you seem to want to kill the game in your ways but god forbid the HQ griefers kill it in their way. if you truly wanted a fight, you and your squad wouldnt hang at the end of runways ganging any red that stupidly ups. im done with flying 10 mins to try to find a fight only to get ganged. if you truly wanted a "fight" you and your squad would back off the end of runways and you and your squad would not gang one of the very very few people who will fight. i guarantee you guys wont do this though, you want what you want and to hell with everyone else. you guys kill the game as much as any HQ greifer imo. and then gripe about no fights. but you and your squad had fights and blew it with the ganging crap.
We rarely have more than a few players on and what ganging with a handful of people? The only time we would keep uppers away is if it's trying to be captured. You're welcome to your opinion even if it is wrong.
Post by: Bear76 on December 29, 2015, 05:41:52 PM
:cheers:
Problem Vuudoo is people like that do not care to see it any other way but their own and will not budge. They are old stubborn players and in my opinion they can quit for all I care. That's why im not changing the way I play and will continue to be a thorn in their sides here on bbs and in-game. Still not going to grief HQ though...
Us old players will still be here long after your are gone. You are no thorn, more like the butt of jokes.
Post by: Wizz on December 29, 2015, 05:53:10 PM
We rarely have more than a few players on and what ganging with a handful of people? The only time we would keep uppers away is if it's trying to be captured. You're welcome to your opinion even if it is wrong.You welcome to your opinion even if you are wrong :neener:
Post by: Bear76 on December 29, 2015, 05:55:52 PM
You welcome to your opinion even if you are wrong :neener:
wasn't talking to you princess emoticon. So did you still want my address? You seem to be avoiding that now.
Post by: Wizz on December 29, 2015, 05:57:45 PM
wasn't talking to you princess emoticon. So did you still want my address? You seem to be avoiding that now.I offered my address to you ...
Like how you only read what you want to even when it is right in front of your face bubba
Thats about as lame of a come back as it gets
Post by: Airsharks on December 29, 2015, 06:03:28 PM
You're delusional and your caps key is broken. When the HQ goes down many players on the team that lose the HQ log. Fact.You full off the BS your Blowing!!! After HQ went down last I brought the Team play stats up and in fact you guys gained 3 extra players... I was watching and there were no masses leaving game. Your just Blowing crap WAY OUT OF Proportion!!! AND in fact causing more problems for the Game with your BS.
Post by: Vudak on December 29, 2015, 06:03:34 PM
hey bear, i agree that taking down HQ's blows. but i have to say that you guys vulching runways and ganging every red guy that attempts to fight blows also. you guys could at least try to do your part to keep this game alive, but you dont. you seem to want to kill the game in your ways but god forbid the HQ griefers kill it in their way. if you truly wanted a fight, you and your squad wouldnt hang at the end of runways ganging any red that stupidly ups. im done with flying 10 mins to try to find a fight only to get ganged. if you truly wanted a "fight" you and your squad would back off the end of runways and you and your squad would not gang one of the very very few people who will fight. i guarantee you guys wont do this though, you want what you want and to hell with everyone else. you guys kill the game as much as any HQ greifer imo. and then gripe about no fights. but you and your squad had fights and blew it with the ganging crap.Well in fairness, at least the last couple of nights, most of the time we would get dragged to the base by people fleeing. Can't really blame us for hanging near the base if every time we show a sign of life, some co alt or even higher con runs to their ack.
Post by: Bear76 on December 29, 2015, 06:04:07 PM
I offered my address to you ...
Like how you only read what you want to even when it is right in front of your face bubba
Thats about as lame of a come back as it gets
You made the threat, why would I waste my time and money for 30 seconds of fun, Hardly worth it.
Post by: Bear76 on December 29, 2015, 06:05:37 PM
You full off the BS your Blowing!!! After HQ went down last I brought the Team play stats up and in fact you guys gained 3 extra players... I was watching and there were no masses leaving game. Your just Blowing crap WAY OUT OF Proportion!!! AND in fact causing more problems for the Game with your BS.
Well show us the stats. Must be a 49 guy lol. Look at all the people in these threads that keep telling you it hurts the game. You are a very small minority.
Post by: Wizz on December 29, 2015, 06:06:56 PM
You made the threat, why would I waste my time and money for 30 seconds of fun, Hardly worth it.OK bear its time we go back and rehash this since your so full of crap that your not pulling things right out of your ___
Post by: Wizz on December 29, 2015, 06:07:51 PM
lets go there bubbaOnce again you fail
You must change :neener:
The only thing you can do is come find me and shoot me down unless your taking this personal bubba. In that case my address can be given via pm apon request if you would like to discuss this in person :rock
Post by: Bear76 on December 29, 2015, 06:09:01 PM
OK bear its time we go back and rehash this since your so full of crap that your not pulling things right out of your ___
Backing out now eh?
Post by: Wizz on December 29, 2015, 06:12:55 PM
Backing out now eh?LOL :ahand bubba dont like it
Post by: Bear76 on December 29, 2015, 06:13:45 PM
LOL :ahand bubba dont like it
I'll take that as a yes.
Post by: FESS67 on December 29, 2015, 06:31:23 PM
For me, you guys that drop the HQ are like someone that farts in a nice restaurant. There is no rule against it but the majority of people in the restaurant do not like to see it happen.
There are a few who will get a real giggle from the fart though.
Post by: Bear76 on December 29, 2015, 06:34:59 PM
I think people just need to understand that we are all different and it seems we will be unable to come to any sort of agreement on this issue.
For me, you guys that drop the HQ are like someone that farts in a nice restaurant. There is no rule against it but the majority of people in the restaurant do not like to see it happen.
There are a few who will get a real giggle from the fart though.
It's everyone's $14.95 and they can play how they want. The majority will always be against it so they shouldn't come in here bragging how they are "helping" the game. They need to get thicker skin or be prepared for the responses.
Post by: Wizz on December 29, 2015, 06:36:45 PM
It's everyone's $14.95 and they can play how they want. The majority will always be against it so they shouldn't come in here bragging how they are "helping" the game. They need to get thicker skin or be prepared for the responses.get with your iron saints pals about trying to HQ grief bubba...
Bomb and bailing and bombing HQ fail :x just now
unlike you I do something about the issue... I resup my city and defend HQ :)
Post by: Vraciu on December 29, 2015, 06:45:10 PM
wasn't talking to you princess emoticon. So did you still want my address? You seem to be avoiding that now.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
Post by: Vraciu on December 29, 2015, 06:46:54 PM
I think people just need to understand that we are all different and it seems we will be unable to come to any sort of agreement on this issue.
For me, you guys that drop the HQ are like someone that farts in a nice restaurant. There is no rule against it but the majority of people in the restaurant do not like to see it happen.
There are a few who will get a real giggle from the fart though.
I have faith that HiTech is going to fix this in the next version. It is clearly pissing people off and he knows it.
Post by: bustr on December 29, 2015, 06:50:34 PM
Hitech changing the rebuild time to 5min and 125,000lb of bombs can be considered he looked into the situation. But, he did not set the down time to 1min which would be the closest he could come to making it a worthless strat target. So 5min and 125,000lb is a compromise to both parties.
The City's health is still a multiplier to strat rebuild times. At 45% down the HQ takes about 40 minutes to rebuild when I looked at the knight City to see why the HQ didn't come back up after 5 minutes. So he left something for the bomber guys to still use as a goal. They pay $14.95 to him each month and Hitech left the ability to down the HQ in place, albeit modified.
Instead of trying to use a mob to threaten a small number of players who pay their bill on time with "our $14.95 is worth more than your $14.95". Reason with Hitech who is the ultimate power of arbitration. Wizz and the 49ers involved are just going to get their jollies pissing you off.
It sounds more like many in this post want Hitech to remove the HQ entirely while the wizzing match with Wizz and other HQ killers is cover. Along with trying to bully them with a manufactured right of the collective Hitech never sanctioned you to bully other customers with.
Post by: 68ZooM on December 29, 2015, 06:52:13 PM
I think people just need to understand that we are all different and it seems we will be unable to come to any sort of agreement on this issue.
For me, you guys that drop the HQ are like someone that farts in a nice restaurant. There is no rule against it but the majority of people in the restaurant do not like to see it happen.
There are a few who will get a real giggle from the fart though.
Honestly I think Dale (HiTech) Is going to have to do something with the HQ problem just make it indestructible, if you want to attack a base and capture that base then you have to take the radar down at that Base that you're going to capture it only makes sense.
It's going to come to a point to where people are just going to start voting with their wallets if they don't like how the HQ is going to get resolved they're just going to quit, I don't know it just seems like select people want to fly around without being seen and sneak their Bases or whatever, it's kind of ridiculous. Its a combat game and half the people don't want any combat.
Post by: Bear76 on December 29, 2015, 07:00:42 PM
get with your iron saints pals about trying to HQ grief bubba...
Bomb and bailing and bombing HQ fail :x just now
unlike you I do something about the issue... I resup my city and defend HQ :)
Have no idea who they are or why you're changing the topic. You have no idea who I am or how I play.
Post by: Slash27 on December 29, 2015, 07:28:09 PM
lets go there bubbaok
You must change :neener:
The only thing you can do is come find me and shoot me down unless your taking this personal bubba. In that case my address can be given via pm apon request if you would like to discuss this in person :rock
Post by: The Fugitive on December 29, 2015, 08:00:50 PM
In the hours they take to navigate and hit strats to drop the HQ they could split their group into smaller groups and hit multiple bases at once dropping town and VHs at a number of bases leaving them open to easy capture. How many buff groups do you need to carpet bomb the town? I always thought that a good spacing and the right drop timing could give you a white flag in one pass with 2 groups. Never tested it.
Do they do this? Heck no! First off, they might draw attention to themselves and heaven forbid a fight break out. Of course if a fight DID break out they would mostly be shot down as they have very little skill in fighting.
Instead of being the "scourge" of the game they could be the heros creating fights all over the map, but they choose.... well we all know what they choose.
Post by: pembquist on December 29, 2015, 08:35:54 PM
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 29, 2015, 08:58:44 PM
It provides enough strategy to completely derail a lot of people. If I want an advantage such as not being able to be tracked the HQ must go! No matter what time of day. The argument mute.
Yes HQ needs to be better defended I agree with you there. add manned guns!
No, it provides a reason to piss off a lot of people and cause them to log off, there by making the game boring period. The only person who benefits from it is the HQ downer, and they don't do watermelon for the rest of the team.
One person going base to base in bombers does very little to the overall win the war strategy. Deal with it. This is a teamwork game.
The only time you should kill HQ is when your team is about to win the war and you kill HQ so you can take the last base quickly when the other team has no idea which base you will attack.
Doing this when you still have 40 bases to capture really adds nothing to the strategic aspect, there is no group effort, no team work, and it adds no fun for any team. It really doesn't. My experience of 10 years proves my argument time and time again. It does absolutely nothing for any team but cause players to get bored and quit.
You seem to miss the overall picture and instead are selfish toward your useless "strategy" of downing the HQ. There are much more effective "strategies" to deploy that would be more beneficial with your time, team, and win the war strategy.
If you want to go under the radar, go NOE, No one will see you then... in fact go roll a base that no one is even at away from the main action and you will enjoy all the bombing you can imagine.
I honestly just do not get you people sometimes.
Post by: Vraciu on December 29, 2015, 09:06:46 PM
No, it provides a reason to piss off a lot of people and cause them to log off, there by making the game boring period. The only person who benefits from it is the HQ downer, and they don't do watermelon for the rest of the team.
One person going base to base in bombers does very little to the overall win the war strategy. Deal with it. This is a teamwork game.
The only time you should kill HQ is when your team is about to win the war and you kill HQ so you can take the last base quickly when the other team has no idea which base you will attack.
Doing this when you still have 40 bases to capture really adds nothing to the strategic aspect, there is no group effort, no team work, and it adds no fun for any team. It really doesn't. My experience of 10 years proves my argument time and time again. It does absolutely nothing for any team but cause players to get bored and quit.
You seem to miss the overall picture and instead are selfish toward your useless "strategy" of downing the HQ. There are much more effective "strategies" to deploy that would be more beneficial with your time, team, and win the war strategy.
If you want to go under the radar, go NOE, No one will see you then... in fact go roll a base that no one is even at away from the main action and you will enjoy all the bombing you can imagine.
I honestly just do not get you people sometimes.
I think we have been punk'd. Wizz is trolling us at an epic level. We need to stop feeding him.
Post by: 49Dallas on December 29, 2015, 09:23:30 PM
Dallas, let me address your post as objectively as I can. I am here for the fighter combat experience and understand that others are here for other reasons. I will comment from the perspective of a fighter pilot and I will assume that this pilot is like me and has maybe 2 hours now and again on a week night and 4 hours on a Saturday.A HQ will flash roughly five minutes before lights out. How long is there a darbar or flashing bases?
- How long is the HQ flashing to alert of the impending attack?
Not in case of attack, But people should watch for HQ raiders, Especially if the city has been hit.[/b][/color]
- I assume from your comment that you make no attempt to hide your attack - or do you feel people should be patrolling the approaches to the HQ in case of attack?
A fighter shouldn't patrol, Unless there are tel-tail signs of an attack. If an attack is imminent a fighter should investigate for however long it takes to satisfy their need to feel confident there is no immediate threat.
- In your opinion how long do you think the fighter pilot should spend on their patrol? I usually load about 30 mins of gas. Would you think that is long enough?
[/list]Probably not as many as you think. Why don't you investigate rather than cry on the forums.
- How many bases flash (with radar up) due to GV activity rather than air contacts?
Again, Probably not as many as you think. If you have descent situational awareness you'll know if something is a bomber, Plane, Or GV.
- Of those bases flashing due to air contacts how many are indicators of a fight rather than a lone hi alt buff?
You investigate, Rather than crying on the forums.
- Without Dar, how would you suggest the fighter pilot determines the root cause of the base flashing?
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I do not argue that an HQ is a strategic target and in a war environment would be something that should be taken out. Thank you. Thread over. I would argue this though:-
To effectively hit such a strategically important target and cause such a widespread negative impact on the opposing forces ability to wage war should be practically impossible. In this game, with such large maps and small player base, finding and engaging the enemy is key to both the practicality of defending bases but also, crucially, to the fun of the player base (or a decent portion of it).
Back to my fighter pilot.......remember he has a couple of hours on some week nights and 4 hours on a Saturday.
Where does he want to spend his time?
There are there types of people in this game.
1. Base takes/ war winners
2. Furballers
3. Do whatever they want, On any given day, because they paid $15.
You do what you want to do. If you choose to furball, And your HQ goes down it's your fault. There are things you can do to prevent the HQ from going down.
- Duke it out with the bad guys
- Fly 4 x combat patrols around the HQ in case someone is going to attack. Remember to grab to 35k in case they are high alt buffs
- look for flashing bases - relocate - take off - look for cons, maybe 10 or 15 minutes - nothing sighted - land and move to next flashing base....should get at least 16 of these fun flights in my time on.
- Take off and head to flashing base - 1/2 way there base stops flashing but see on chat buffer help needed at base xxx. Land quickly. Relocate.....take off and head to the fight...enemy dead.....fly cover in case they come back...maybe 15 minutes.
- A call comes in - base yyy is under attack.....fly 5 mins to land....relocate....lift in time to see the last attacker die to ack....stay in air in case they come back.......another base starts to flash....
- Log off. Go fly MS Flight Simulator - actually more action flying a 737 LA to Vegas - hell, might even get in a Cessna and try to buzz one of the jets!!
I would prefer to fly and fight.
The truth is the dar going down is not what most of the player base want. Sure you can do it but it is not what the majority of the player base want. I think ultimately it comes down to that.
How about we add a GV factory and if it is taken out no GVs can spawn for the designated down time? How many would love that one?
This is a terrible, Inaccurate, comparison. Because the HQ is taken down dosen't mean you lose the ability to fly a plane. At most it makes it harder to see where fights are and you don't know what's making a base flash. These are two very minor problems with many, easy, already in game solutions. You already agreed the HQ is a valueable target that shouldn't be taken out, Then you compare it to a "GV factory and if it is taken out no GVs can spawn for the designated down time" Why don't you make up you mind? Is the HQ a "Game ending target", Or is it a "strategic target that shouldn't be taken out of the game?" Those are your words. The HQ should be set at it's normal time of 30 minutes, And the pounds should be bumped to 50. 37.5 is a little low, And one set of lancs can take it down. I'm all for compromise, Not HTC basically taking the HQ out of the game by making it five minutes and 100lb. because a few people "threatened" to cancel their account and a few people cried about it on the forums. How many people actually use the forums, Compared to those who are actually subscribed, And play.
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 29, 2015, 09:38:23 PM
I think we have been punk'd. Wizz is trolling us at an epic level. We need to stop feeding him.
As long as he keeps uppng multiple bombers for me to target I'll be just fine :evil:
Post by: NatCigg on December 29, 2015, 09:39:53 PM
everybody wins!
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Post by: Wizz on December 29, 2015, 09:58:43 PM
As long as he keeps uppng multiple bombers for me to target I'll be just fine :evil:oh yeah!!!
Post by: Wizz on December 29, 2015, 10:09:04 PM
Have no idea who they are or why you're changing the topic. You have no idea who I am or how I play.This is the greatest example of the pot calling the kettle black I have ever seen in my life.
Post by: VuduVee on December 30, 2015, 02:10:01 AM
We rarely have more than a few players on and what ganging with a handful of people? The only time we would keep uppers away is if it's trying to be captured. You're welcome to your opinion even if it is wrong.so basically, you arent even willing to entertain any idea at all that you and your guys are also game killers? just fluff off any idea that isnt yours huh? all that does is prove my points. you guys dont want fights at all, you want kills. you guys want to kill the game your way , but no one else better. its hypocrisy and selfishness, just like you and Violator claim of the HQ guys. trust me, youre doing just as much to kill the game as any HQ buster. and both sides could try harder to not drive people off, but both sides of this arent even willing to try. so, when your game is dead and 30 people are playing and hiding in ack, vulching/ganging, running from everything possible, just remember, you couldve helped the game, but you chose to kill it instead. you had players like me who were willing to fight anytime, anywhere and you ran em off because you refused to adjust. way to go Einstein. :aok
Post by: Dundee on December 30, 2015, 05:52:47 AM
Post by: Vudak on December 30, 2015, 05:59:16 AM
so basically, you arent even willing to entertain any idea at all that you and your guys are also game killers? just fluff off any idea that isnt yours huh? all that does is prove my points. you guys dont want fights at all, you want kills. you guys want to kill the game your way , but no one else better. its hypocrisy and selfishness, just like you and Violator claim of the HQ guys. trust me, youre doing just as much to kill the game as any HQ buster. and both sides could try harder to not drive people off, but both sides of this arent even willing to try. so, when your game is dead and 30 people are playing and hiding in ack, vulching/ganging, running from everything possible, just remember, you couldve helped the game, but you chose to kill it instead. you had players like me who were willing to fight anytime, anywhere and you ran em off because you refused to adjust. way to go Einstein. :aok
You don't feel even the slightest bit silly calling a guy who's flown a P40 exclusively for this tour someone who doesn't want a fight and only wants kills?
You don't feel odd calling another guy, Bear, the same thing, even though he's been around forever and has supported the AvA, DFC, and various other attempts at keeping the game fresh and encouraging others to fight?
Or how about saying that a squad that's usually flying around low, often in midwar planes, and can usually only field 3-4 on at a time is a bunch of gangers? I note you glossed over my point - if 3-4 good sticks come across 5-6 bad ones, those 3-4 can be ganging the 1 guy left pretty soon. It doesn't mean they dropped 20k of alt to jump in on a 3v1 to make it a 4v1 like many in this arena do.
I get that you post youtube videos to help people out and that's really cool of you. Thank you. But these guys have done a ton for this game too. There's basically two groups of people that keep the fights going... The good sticks who inspire people to improve and then the trainers who show them how to get there. If it wasn't for people like Morpheus, Urchin, Shane, Levi, Nomak, Kappa, Fester, Moot, Skyrock, WMLute, AKDogg, Batfink, etc. etc. etc. etc. then I never would have sought out the TC's, Widewing's, Badboy's and tried to improve. Frankly most of the former spent quite a bit of time working with me after I showed them I was serious, too. For people supposedly "in it for the kills" they sure devoted a lot of hours of their life helping me and countless others out.
In my opinion, they do way more to keep the game fun and help people with the learning curve than the mega squads that pick up every 2 week rookie and tell them (while running to the ack side by side after one pass haul ***) that the guys above are just a bunch of jerks who want everyone to play their way.
Respectfully I think your comments are way off the mark.
Post by: Dundee on December 30, 2015, 06:11:35 AM
Not the same thing. Without radar one can drone around for 45 minutes and never even see an enemy. Especially when numbers are low and maps are large.
My K/H is low because I tend to fly a slow climbing airplane. I almost always roll a base or two back from the fight. I learned the hard way that rolling closer doesn't work--at least for me--because I wind up getting bounced and flamed repeatedly. I'm with Violator on this one.
I was born at night...........but not last night. With the Dar Bar down and you can't find where the fight is..........you shouldn't be playing the game if your that lame.
Post by: Wizz on December 30, 2015, 06:15:44 AM
Post by: VuduVee on December 30, 2015, 12:11:10 PM
You don't feel even the slightest bit silly calling a guy who's flown a P40 exclusively for this tour someone who doesn't want a fight and only wants kills?
You don't feel odd calling another guy, Bear, the same thing, even though he's been around forever and has supported the AvA, DFC, and various other attempts at keeping the game fresh and encouraging others to fight?
Or how about saying that a squad that's usually flying around low, often in midwar planes, and can usually only field 3-4 on at a time is a bunch of gangers? I note you glossed over my point - if 3-4 good sticks come across 5-6 bad ones, those 3-4 can be ganging the 1 guy left pretty soon. It doesn't mean they dropped 20k of alt to jump in on a 3v1 to make it a 4v1 like many in this arena do.
I get that you post youtube videos to help people out and that's really cool of you. Thank you. But these guys have done a ton for this game too. There's basically two groups of people that keep the fights going... The good sticks who inspire people to improve and then the trainers who show them how to get there. If it wasn't for people like Morpheus, Urchin, Shane, Levi, Nomak, Kappa, Fester, Moot, Skyrock, WMLute, AKDogg, Batfink, etc. etc. etc. etc. then I never would have sought out the TC's, Widewing's, Badboy's and tried to improve. Frankly most of the former spent quite a bit of time working with me after I showed them I was serious, too. For people supposedly "in it for the kills" they sure devoted a lot of hours of their life helping me and countless others out.
In my opinion, they do way more to keep the game fun and help people with the learning curve than the mega squads that pick up every 2 week rookie and tell them (while running to the ack side by side after one pass haul ***) that the guys above are just a bunch of jerks who want everyone to play their way.
Respectfully I think your comments are way off the mark.
thats a different vudu. not me.
i didnt gloss over your points, just didnt see your post. your guys generally have more than a "few" guys on. its usually about 5 or 6. and i ALWAYS know right where to find them, it never fails. they are vulching for kills somewhere. its part of their game and i understand some ppl want kills. but when we have low numbers and very few are willing to fight at all, why not play fair with one of the very very few who are willing to fight? how about not making me fly 10 mins to get ganged. why not back off the runway, let me get some E and crap like that, like i do for them if they want a "fight"? they never do though, because they dont want fights, they want kills, in my opinion.
you, me, Violator and pretty much everyone doesnt wanna fly around for days for HQ protection, so why would i want to fly for days just to get ganged? thats what Violator and Bear are saying essentially, that they shouldnt have to fly for 10 mins to a fight or HQ, but i should. well, im not going to and i dont. instead, i log off, just like you guys do when HQ is down. i dont want them to log off bc of the HQ bit killing the game for them, but they dont afford me or anyone the same luxury. they want their game and they dont care about your game at all. people who fight, like me, are leaving the game. dont believe me? right off the top of my head, wheres Latrobe, Bruv, and almost every name you mentioned? where are they? i promise that one of the main reasons they dont play is because people dont want fights. just ask them if you see them here in the forums.
i saw Violator in the p40 on saturday, while i was spit 5. he wouldnt engage me until i was jumped and engaged with 2 others and then all the sudden, theres a p40 trying to pick me. usually i can count on him fighting. just not that day.
its cool that Bear does the FSO bit, so do i. but i still dont feel "silly" for calling out the hypocrisy here. HQ griefers and the ganger vulchers are both equally killing the game if you ask me. both could at least try to compromise. but i guarantee that neither will and when no one is playing, they'll blame each other and not take any responsibility for their game killing ways.
Post by: Bruv119 on December 30, 2015, 12:59:30 PM
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Post by: Vudak on December 30, 2015, 01:02:46 PM
I think you have a pretty skewed view on what a "fight" is. Most aren't demanding uninterrupted duels in the MA. They're just looking for people who actively try to shoot them down. I get killed all the time. It's fun. I get ganged a lot too when I make poor decisions, but I find it fun to make them.
I'm having a hard time following how we're always ganging yet I often have 3 or 4 cons attacking me. It seems like you're seeing what you want to see.
Post by: Wizz on December 30, 2015, 01:06:31 PM
By nature of the fact that they're at your base, they've flown to it. Why don't you do the same thing and show up with alt? A faster plane wouldn't hurt if they have numbers, either. It seems to me that your frustrations stem from your poor decisions.Pot calling the kettle black
I think you have a pretty skewed view on what a "fight" is. Most aren't demanding uninterrupted duels in the MA. They're just looking for people who actively try to shoot them down. I get killed all the time. It's fun. I get ganged a lot too when I make poor decisions, but I find it fun to make them.
I'm having a hard time following how we're always ganging yet I often have 3 or 4 cons attacking me. It seems like you're seeing what you want to see.
Alert Alert Alert
Pot calling the kettle black
Scramble the troll interceptors
Post by: Vudak on December 30, 2015, 01:13:35 PM
Pot calling the kettle blackNot really, we are flying over to fight whatever happens to be there regardless of where it came from. Your ovjective is to make it as difficult as possible to find someone to shoot us down. Our objective is to facilitate engagement and yours is to prevent it.
Alert Alert Alert
Pot calling the kettle black
Scramble the troll interceptors
Im just telling this guy that he really can't expect a 1v1 in the MA.
Post by: Zoney on December 30, 2015, 01:14:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ELnhjGw4Zs
:devil
Playing over and over again on a loop.................
Post by: Wizz on December 30, 2015, 01:17:24 PM
Not really, we are flying over to fight whatever happens to be there regardless of where it came from. Your ovjective is to make it as difficult as possible to find someone to shoot us down. Our objective is to facilitate engagement and yours is to prevent it.Vudak your so far off its funny. My objectice is to take as many bases as I can in the time I have when I play. In the last week I have taken or helped take over 100 bases with the help of only - 3 people max. I have dropped HQ 2 in 8 days. I have gone on 17 strat runs. I have dropped over 100 resupply boxes. I have shut down 30 bases. I have porked 41 bases.
Im just telling this guy that he really can't expect a 1v1 in the MA.
You dont have the faintest idea of how I play. Keep feeding me...
Post by: Vudak on December 30, 2015, 01:19:51 PM
Post by: Wizz on December 30, 2015, 01:24:13 PM
You're the one advocating turning off the lights and admitting to doing it twice, <shrug>darn straight its all apart of the show! Im not the one who has a prpblem with it :D
I dont have a single complaint about this game. I have my opinions on how it coukd be better but I have never nor will be caught whining like the likes of you and others :neener:
I am a winner who over comes adversity. For what you guys say I do if I actually tried there would be no lights ever.
Post by: VuduVee on December 30, 2015, 01:46:22 PM
By nature of the fact that they're at your base, they've flown to it. Why don't you do the same thing and show up with alt? A faster plane wouldn't hurt if they have numbers, either. It seems to me that your frustrations stem from your poor decisions.
I think you have a pretty skewed view on what a "fight" is. Most aren't demanding uninterrupted duels in the MA. They're just looking for people who actively try to shoot them down. I get killed all the time. It's fun. I get ganged a lot too when I make poor decisions, but I find it fun to make them.
I'm having a hard time following how we're always ganging yet I often have 3 or 4 cons attacking me. It seems like you're seeing what you want to see.
i think youre only seeing what you want to see too vudak.
they complain about no fights, that they dont know where the fights are when HQ is down. but when they do get a fight, they gang them and then wonder why they arent getting any fights. they dont want to fly for god knows how long, to get a fight or HQ protection. the same goes for me too, i dont wanna fly for 10 mins for a 30 sec ganging. why is it ok for you and them to not want to fly so long but not for me to want the same? you have a solution for my problem but refuse to acknowledge the solution to you guys HQ problem. why is that? your game is more important than mine?
trust me, ive done all the crap youve said. (which actually looks like youre telling me to be a picker runner in a combat game). i know all about it. i maintain my stance that you guys only want whats good for YOUR game and couldnt care about anyone elses game. but it works both ways vudak. im saying that both sides of this arguement could do more to keep the game alive, but refuse to even try. and its running off people like me, who will fight at the drop of a hat, and who play fair. i afford them all the things they dont afford me. because i wanted the game to live.
like i said, when theres 30 ppl total, all hiding and cowering, dont blame me, i tried.
Post by: Vraciu on December 30, 2015, 01:49:56 PM
I was born at night...........but not last night. With the Dar Bar down and you can't find where the fight is..........you shouldn't be playing the game if your that lame.
Uh huh.
Much of the time I am on a fight can't be found WITH radar up.
I'm lame but you can't spell YOU'RE.
??? :headscratch:
Post by: Vudak on December 30, 2015, 01:54:19 PM
Also who said anything about picking and running? I'll aggressively take on your Spit 5 in whatever. I have a lousy kd to prove it =D
Post by: VuduVee on December 30, 2015, 02:10:10 PM
Reread what I said. If we are at your base then we flew from our own base. So if you do the same, who lost out?i can use your logic too. the HQ raider just flew for an hour, you only have to fly 10 to 15 mins. who lost out?
Also who said anything about picking and running? I'll aggressively take on your Spit 5 in whatever. I have a lousy kd to prove it =D
if youre at our base, are you looking for kills or fights? its obvious to me. kills is the answer. if you were looking for fights, why not compromise and meet halfway? if you cant compromise, why complain about no fights? my whole point is that both sides of this argument refuse to compromise and think they and their game are more important than the others game. both are killing the game in their own ways and people like me are leaving. there are several other reasons too, not just HQ and vulcher/gangers.
Post by: Vudak on December 30, 2015, 02:18:35 PM
Post by: VuduVee on December 30, 2015, 02:34:53 PM
You seem to be seeking a 100% fair fight which I am perfectly willing to provide in the DA, but which really is impractical to implement or expect in the MA. In the MA the best you can hope for is that someone tries to kill you and frankly taking down the radar is done in the hopes of preventing that.no no no, thats not what im saying or expect. i didnt just start playing yesterday, so i know all about that mumbo jumbo youre saying. so again, ive said it 20 friggin times here. you guys are complaining about finding fights/ no one fights. etc... i up to FIGHT and am immediately ganged by people who say they want a FIGHT. so now i have to fly 10 mins and get the same thing i do when flying 1 min. you savvy? from my experience with you guys, you dont want fights, you want kills. im not wasting my time for that. instead i log off and quit paying to play. its one less player who was willing to FIGHT. one less player is what it does for the game and im not the only player who has quit paying 15 a month.
Post by: Vudak on December 30, 2015, 02:44:02 PM
Post by: VuduVee on December 30, 2015, 03:08:06 PM
Ah. We should fly 10 min to your base then loiter while you grab alt from same (or perhaps we should cut engine and apply full rudder as we descend to your level one at a time) so that you can have fair action in 1 minute or less. All the while watching your buddies come in from the other base with alt and speed and friends. Gotcha.youre obviously not reading what i wrote. i didnt say any of that at all. you obviously think vulching/ganging doesnt hurt the game when there is barely any players anyway. it does. its also obvious that you want others to change their game to suit your game, but youre not even willing to consider change for yourselves. thats typical entitlement. so i guess we're done here. kill the game in your way and the HQ greifers will kill it their way and youll wonder why the game is dead. oh well, i tried.
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 30, 2015, 04:32:20 PM
youre obviously not reading what i wrote. i didnt say any of that at all. you obviously think vulching/ganging doesnt hurt the game when there is barely any players anyway. it does. its also obvious that you want others to change their game to suit your game, but youre not even willing to consider change for yourselves. thats typical entitlement. so i guess we're done here. kill the game in your way and the HQ greifers will kill it their way and youll wonder why the game is dead. oh well, i tried.
I don't know vuduvee, I guess if you are getting ganged all the time maybe you should find other players to wing with. I agree that sometimes bases are too far apart and I wish they would be a bit closer together, but this game takes patience and getting the alt takes time, you gotta be strategic and aware to the type of fight situation you are involved in. Different planes are better for different situations and you gotta utalize that. The game certainly aint fair or forgiving. If you want to get more kills and fight the hoard you gotta be more strategic in and out of the fight.
Post by: Vudak on December 30, 2015, 04:35:10 PM
youre obviously not reading what i wrote. i didnt say any of that at all. you obviously think vulching/ganging doesnt hurt the game when there is barely any players anyway. it does. its also obvious that you want others to change their game to suit your game, but youre not even willing to consider change for yourselves. thats typical entitlement. so i guess we're done here. kill the game in your way and the HQ greifers will kill it their way and youll wonder why the game is dead. oh well, i tried.
Oh I've read what you've wrote. You've asked for people to either let you get your E up from the capped field you took off of because you don't want to fly the same ten minutes THEY just had to, or for them to meet you half way (by the big tree at noon?) in the MA. You're also chaffed that people don't turn with your Spit V. Finally you keep getting vulched or ganged which indicates you have poor SA and don't understand what's going on around you but you are claiming to understand what's going on around us. That's unlikely.
Your ideas are impractical and idealistic. If I'm at 5k and you're at 0k, to give you the fair fight you seek I'd need to either drop to your alt and kill my E, or sit around waiting for you to come up. That'd be lovely in the AvA or some other arena where it's just us and the tumbleweeds, but it's stupid in the MA and silly for you to expect it.
As to if this is ruining the game, did you ever play Air Warrior? If so you'd remember there were times when your country would get knocked back to just the unconquerable fields (I think it was 2-3) and the other side would still vulch those. About 10-11 years ago in Aces High there wasn't any such thing as ENY restrictions and times were pretty tough then. I don't think some people vulching here is ruining the game.
I think what's really ruining this game is that easier, prettier games have since come out. Not the same cheesy tactics that have existed for 15-20 years.
As an aside I'm having a hard time remembering the last time I logged on and said to myself, "I'm going to find the biggest green dar bar with the smallest red dar bar and fly there!" or even the last time I upped with the intention from the start to vulch. Sometimes I wind up in both situations but just as often I've been on the receiving end.
I'm really not trying to bash you but you come across as someone who's discovered the Spit V and a few ACM's and is now starting to get frustrated with this game because 1v1s are difficult to find. A lot of us have been there. I'd suggest adjusting your attitude or taking a break. Otherwise you're going to get burned out. I've been there.
That being said I've spent too many hours over the years working with people who are less developed than me to tolerate you saying I'm killing the game because I won't artificially compensate for your lack of SA and poor decisions in the MA and give you some kind of gentleman's fight while ignoring the fact that you too have inbound friends with alt.
Post by: VuduVee on December 30, 2015, 05:05:14 PM
Oh I've read what you've wrote. You've asked for people to either let you get your E up from the capped field you took off of because you don't want to fly the same ten minutes THEY just had to, or for them to meet you half way (by the big tree at noon?) in the MA. You're also chaffed that people don't turn with your Spit V. Finally you keep getting vulched or ganged which indicates you have poor SA and don't understand what's going on around you but you are claiming to understand what's going on around us. That's unlikely.youre twisting my words, thats great.
Your ideas are impractical and idealistic. If I'm at 5k and you're at 0k, to give you the fair fight you seek I'd need to either drop to your alt and kill my E, or sit around waiting for you to come up. That'd be lovely in the AvA or some other arena where it's just us and the tumbleweeds, but it's stupid in the MA and silly for you to expect it.
As to if this is ruining the game, did you ever play Air Warrior? If so you'd remember there were times when your country would get knocked back to just the unconquerable fields (I think it was 2-3) and the other side would still vulch those. About 10-11 years ago in Aces High there wasn't any such thing as ENY restrictions and times were pretty tough then. I don't think some people vulching here is ruining the game.
I think what's really ruining this game is that easier, prettier games have since come out. Not the same cheesy tactics that have existed for 15-20 years.
As an aside I'm having a hard time remembering the last time I logged on and said to myself, "I'm going to find the biggest green dar bar with the smallest red dar bar and fly there!" or even the last time I upped with the intention from the start to vulch. Sometimes I wind up in both situations but just as often I've been on the receiving end.
I'm really not trying to bash you but you come across as someone who's discovered the Spit V and a few ACM's and is now starting to get frustrated with this game because 1v1s are difficult to find. A lot of us have been there. I'd suggest adjusting your attitude or taking a break. Otherwise you're going to get burned out. I've been there.
That being said I've spent too many hours over the years working with people who are less developed than me to tolerate you saying I'm killing the game because I won't artificially compensate for your lack of SA and poor decisions in the MA and give you some kind of gentleman's fight while ignoring the fact that you too have inbound friends with alt.
Vudak, it sounds like you think i just started yesterday by the way youre talking down to me. ive been here 4 yrs and i know all the ACM's. i know the game inside and out. my SA is just as good and bad as anyone elses. ill give you all you can handle and youll have had fun because someone actually fought. ask your squaddies if im some beginner you should be talking down to like this.
Post by: Wizz on December 30, 2015, 05:06:58 PM
youre twisting my words, thats great.these are their tactics
Vudak, it sounds like you think i just started yesterday by the way youre talking down to me. ive been here 4 yrs and i know all the ACM's. i know the game inside and out. my SA is just as good and bad as anyone elses. ill give you all you can handle and youll have had fun because someone actually fought. ask your squaddies if im some beginner you should be talking down to like this.
They love to twist the facts and details of situations and conversations to match their false and foolish ideas and opinions.
Post by: vHACKv on December 30, 2015, 05:07:35 PM
Also, SpitV is some kind of hidden gem? Pfft I think not, now SBD on the other hand...
Post by: Vudak on December 30, 2015, 05:12:52 PM
youre twisting my words, thats great.And I'd be happy to lose to you 10 times in a row, or 100. But you are posting like a beginner. Been there done that had the same whines as you 10 years ago.
Vudak, it sounds like you think i just started yesterday by the way youre talking down to me. ive been here 4 yrs and i know all the ACM's. i know the game inside and out. my SA is just as good and bad as anyone elses. ill give you all you can handle and youll have had fun because someone actually fought. ask your squaddies if im some beginner you should be talking down to like this.
Frankly I'm not sure what you want now because you ask for a fair fight without taking the necessary personal steps to obtain one, and then say I'm twisting your words when I point out how rediculous that is and what it would take for me to unilaterally provide you one in the MA when you insist on taking off right next to me.
Post by: VuduVee on December 30, 2015, 05:23:55 PM
I don't know vuduvee, I guess if you are getting ganged all the time maybe you should find other players to wing with. I agree that sometimes bases are too far apart and I wish they would be a bit closer together, but this game takes patience and getting the alt takes time, you gotta be strategic and aware to the type of fight situation you are involved in. Different planes are better for different situations and you gotta utalize that. The game certainly aint fair or forgiving. If you want to get more kills and fight the hoard you gotta be more strategic in and out of the fight.yeah i understand all of that. im saying that you guys say people dont fight anymore and you cant find them when HQ is down. imo, theres a reason you cant find it from me anymore. because when i do show up to fight, after people say on 200, "no one fights anymore!" i get ganged. which says to me, that people dont want the fights they say they cant find. but they want the kills. its only my opinion that we all could do our part to keep the game alive, thats all im trying to point out here.
Post by: VuduVee on December 30, 2015, 05:26:06 PM
And I'd be happy to lose to you 10 times in a row, or 100. But you are posting like a beginner. Been there done that had the same whines as you 10 years ago.ok :aok
Frankly I'm not sure what you want now because you ask for a fair fight without taking the necessary personal steps to obtain one, and then say I'm twisting your words when I point out how rediculous that is and what it would take for me to unilaterally provide you one in the MA when you insist on taking off right next to me.
Post by: Wizz on December 30, 2015, 05:28:24 PM
yeah i understand all of that. im saying that you guys say people dont fight anymore and you cant find them when HQ is down. imo, theres a reason you cant find it from me anymore. because when i do show up to fight, after people say on 200, "no one fights anymore!" i get ganged. which says to me, that people dont want the fights they say they cant find. but they want the kills. its only my opinion that we all could do our part to keep the game alive, thats all im trying to point out here.Vuudu you nailed it
Post by: Vudak on December 30, 2015, 05:28:46 PM
Post by: Wizz on December 30, 2015, 05:30:01 PM
Vudu if you are legitimately someone who enjoys a fight then we really oughta be getting along better than this and I for one will drop it. Come find me in the MA and we'll go to the DA to knock off some rust and gain mutual respect and admiration lol =) <S>
:cheers: For the first time in days there is some sanity! I hope you both make this happen and have a great time
Post by: VuduVee on December 30, 2015, 05:40:35 PM
Vudu if you are legitimately someone who enjoys a fight then we really oughta be getting along better than this and I for one will drop it. Come find me in the MA and we'll go to the DA to knock off some rust and gain mutual respect and admiration lol =) <S>i would like to go have some DA fun. but we better do it by tomorrow, bc thats my last day in AH. just about the best times ive had in AH are the canyon fights we do sometimes. 15 ppl last time i went. everyone plays fair and square, no egos, lots of cussin and laughing. lots of crashing at stall speed, dam good times for my 15.
Post by: Vudak on December 30, 2015, 05:45:41 PM
i would like to go have some DA fun. but we better do it by tomorrow, bc thats my last day in AH. just about the best times ive had in AH are the canyon fights we do sometimes. 15 ppl last time i went. everyone plays fair and square, no egos, lots of cussin and laughing. lots of crashing at stall speed, dam good times for my 15.Take a break and come back... offer's on the table whenever. <S>
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 30, 2015, 07:56:05 PM
i would like to go have some DA fun. but we better do it by tomorrow, bc thats my last day in AH. just about the best times ive had in AH are the canyon fights we do sometimes. 15 ppl last time i went. everyone plays fair and square, no egos, lots of cussin and laughing. lots of crashing at stall speed, dam good times for my 15.
We actually had something like that going the other night in the DA with a bunch of people, More 1v1 style fights though. That's always a lot of fun. Sometimes you just have to call it out on 200 and see if any one will bite.
I really think you just need to be more prepared when you enter large fights where you know a lot of enemies are.
Post by: guncrasher on December 30, 2015, 08:02:51 PM
semp
Post by: Slash27 on December 30, 2015, 08:10:07 PM
When I attack an HQ there is always a reason behind it. Tonight we earned it (https://scontent.fmci1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1909778_1219412014754582_2668202977502855530_n.jpg?oh=f5b2e0eb189ecd48632ec3ce1c945724&oe=57200FEF)You keep fighting the good fight! You're saving me $15 a month, thanks buddy. :salute
Post by: Wizz on December 30, 2015, 08:38:35 PM
You keep fighting the good fight! You're saving me $15 a month, thanks buddy. :salute(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/1647_1219806058048511_2221842315731378805_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=ce7ae6b01e60ac64e72558988a2ecc23&oe=5707CAC1) This is what a winner looks like on his way to a double base take. If I grief anything its an enemies F.O.B.'s.
They hate us cause they aint us :neener: :ahand
Keep thinking all I do is grief HQ. It sure makes my job easier in game to completely dominate a front when I want or sneak multiple enemy bases behind enemy lines.
Post by: Wizz on December 30, 2015, 08:47:58 PM
does a 1v1 mean you only bring 5 friends instead of 10? or is it the other way around?semp some of the most fun I have or have had is when you pigs show up to stop me. God I love those fights even when im stopped :aok
semp
Post by: icepac on December 30, 2015, 08:54:16 PM
It guarantees plenty of suckers who think they are invisible.
Post by: kappa on December 30, 2015, 09:14:26 PM
youre twisting my words, thats great.
Vudak, it sounds like you think i just started yesterday by the way youre talking down to me. ive been here 4 yrs and i know all the ACM's. i know the game inside and out. my SA is just as good and bad as anyone elses. ill give you all you can handle and youll have had fun because someone actually fought. ask your squaddies if im some beginner you should be talking down to like this.
Vodu, I first thought you were trolling.. Then I figured you might be playing devil's advocate.. Now I'm not sure anymore at all.. I'm glad you could learn everything in 4years.. Most could not I think.
We rarely have more than 3-4 on during peak time but more than likely 2.
If you up a spit5 or any spit in the MA you should expect to be ganged.. You're upping a spit5 wanting a slow stall fight with what.. A P51? Sounds fair.. Why would anyone up a spit in the first place unless they wanted to engage multiple cons.. Spits are fairly uber in the MA even the 5.. Just because you're in a spit5 doesn't mean you're not in a trainer..
I love to up from capped bases.. But I will not up to be vulched more than 3x in a row.. At that point I might even bring a deuce.. But I up at capped <not vulched> bases ALL the time... I don't complain about being ganged.. well, on squad chan I will haha.. but its always my fault when it happens.. Being ganged is worth it to me b/c I know odds are good that I will be able to contribute to breaking the cap on the base.. and thats the fun part..
If you're not having fun or constantly find yourself being ganged you need to rethink your playing style.. Ideas sometimes exceed ability which is not a bad thing.. Its how we get better.. Jus sometimes the path taken needs adjustment..
Post by: Oldman731 on December 31, 2015, 12:37:12 AM
Come find me in the MA and we'll go to the DA to knock off some rust and gain mutual respect and admiration
I recommend this (although I don't think there's much rust for Vudak to wear off; he has uncanny gunnery skills). He's willing to take any plane against any plane. The fights are memorable, not those hey-you-just-got-HO'd-ha-ha that some of us are familiar with. Not may folks left who will fight like that.
- Oldman the Loser (five out of five went to Vudak)
Post by: VuduVee on December 31, 2015, 02:59:22 AM
Vodu, I first thought you were trolling.. Then I figured you might be playing devil's advocate.. Now I'm not sure anymore at all.. I'm glad you could learn everything in 4years.. Most could not I think.i rarely fly spits at all. the spit5 deal was just that one day i seen Violator. he was a p40 with alt.
We rarely have more than 3-4 on during peak time but more than likely 2.
If you up a spit5 or any spit in the MA you should expect to be ganged.. You're upping a spit5 wanting a slow stall fight with what.. A P51? Sounds fair.. Why would anyone up a spit in the first place unless they wanted to engage multiple cons.. Spits are fairly uber in the MA even the 5.. Just because you're in a spit5 doesn't mean you're not in a trainer..
I love to up from capped bases.. But I will not up to be vulched more than 3x in a row.. At that point I might even bring a deuce.. But I up at capped <not vulched> bases ALL the time... I don't complain about being ganged.. well, on squad chan I will haha.. but its always my fault when it happens.. Being ganged is worth it to me b/c I know odds are good that I will be able to contribute to breaking the cap on the base.. and thats the fun part..
If you're not having fun or constantly find yourself being ganged you need to rethink your playing style.. Ideas sometimes exceed ability which is not a bad thing.. Its how we get better.. Jus sometimes the path taken needs adjustment..
even though i think know most of the ACM's i still have a ways to go in refining them.
the vulching/ganging thing is one thing i think doesnt help the game, just my opinion. an example is this, the map we are on now, small map, high alt bases. a few weeks ago you guys were furballing at my base, barely out of ack range pretty much. it looked like fun and i wanted in. so i up a g14 and try to get as much E as i can, knowing that ill get a fight quickly. and a red jumps me, then another and then another and then you came in a spit9 and killed me. i was literally the only rook who lifted and didnt do circles in town and base ack until most reds were dead, ganged or rtb. ( in my mind, why gang the only person willing to fight? why not appreciate that someone finally isnt hiding and is willing to fight?, it doesnt take 4 people vs 1 in my mind.) so, i try it again and the exact same thing happens. so i decide ill up from a different base and do this proper. i fly about 8 mins and find rudeboi, i get the advantage and he runs. i dont ever chase for long, they either want to fight or dont. i break off about the same time i see all the reds he ran to. he keeps going and i have to fight red after red after red and im doing good and not dead yet. a second later, rudeboi kills me. all that time i spent to get to a fight and he runs to helpers and then comes back to join the gang. again, i was the one and only rook who came out of ack to get some fight on and challenge you guys. i spent 8 mins flying and 30 secs dying. eff that im done with it. i logged off and chalked it up as another reason i can leave and not miss it. its proof imo that people dont want fights, they want kills.
i can solve all that by changing how i play. yes this is true. and if i did that, id be just another runner hider in a fighting game that is 90% runner hiders. im here to beat the other guy fair and square. im not going to play scared in a fighting game. im not going to vulch for kills. im here for the challenge of beating the other person outright. i see no challenge in being one of 5 guys ganging a single red. especially considering how low the numbers of players are( this game needed me and others like me). i dont want to discourage people from going all in and playing hard and FIGHTING. so i play fair with them every time. it hasnt helped me to play fair. its made me hated in game. but im still compelled to play fair even though it seems like no one else does. i think that now, since numbers are so low, is especially the time when players can at least try to keep the game alive and not run people off. but no one is doing that. as long as their trip is fine then everyone elses trip doesnt matter.
so when i see this thread and it involves the players who do two of the things i think arent that great for the game, i felt i needed to call out the hypocrisy of it. it doesnt make any sense to me when theyre complaining about "no fights", "HQ down we cant find fights" and 2 mins later they gang the one and only person willing to fight. i really dont think discretion on yours and their parts is unreasonable here. but im also not asking for a break. it is what it is. so, for me, its one less player in game who actually fought hard.
Post by: VuduVee on December 31, 2015, 03:04:54 AM
i like that, it rings true for any risk worth taking. i go big or not at all and have the scars to prove it. haha
Ideas sometimes exceed ability which is not a bad thing.. Its how we get better.. Jus sometimes the path taken needs adjustment..
Post by: Vudak on December 31, 2015, 04:14:05 AM
I would think that your willingness to fight fair isn't making people hate you as you say. Most generally enjoy that so perhaps it is the way you tell people about it. Something to consider.
Post by: Vudak on December 31, 2015, 04:20:00 AM
Those were fun drawn out fights and a few I thought you had me. I also think that the credit for being willing to fight anything belongs to you as you were the one who suggested the 202 vs. F4u-1 (and made me pull out all the stops to shake you). It's always a pleasure and the historic matchups were great. I don't think anyone was a loser that night. <S>
I recommend this (although I don't think there's much rust for Vudak to wear off; he has uncanny gunnery skills). He's willing to take any plane against any plane. The fights are memorable, not those hey-you-just-got-HO'd-ha-ha that some of us are familiar with. Not may folks left who will fight like that.
- Oldman the Loser (five out of five went to Vudak)
Post by: Airsharks on December 31, 2015, 05:42:15 AM
Post by: VuduVee on December 31, 2015, 03:27:53 PM
Vudu not for nothing but you might want to try an La7 or a K4 as they have the speed to force the 1v1 you seek and the firepower to end it quickly. No reason to need to run in either if you don't want to. Both can stick around and play.i shouldve upped the badboy niki. it eats those planes alive.
I would think that your willingness to fight fair isn't making people hate you as you say. Most generally enjoy that so perhaps it is the way you tell people about it. Something to consider.
i tried using tact, but mostly, all that got me was nasty PM's. so i quit being nice to them and i got the same PM's. either way isnt good. its 7 billion people, 7 billion opinions type thing.
Post by: Shuffler on December 31, 2015, 03:40:36 PM
Nope. Run away. We'll take your bases.
No... you won't. You will have to get airborne again as soon as possible to get back and bomb HQ. The HQ will probably be back up before you get back to base.
While the 49th goes back and forth doing HQ bombing, it takes away from how many folks are fighting on their front. Along with affecting their teams ENY.
I have no problem with it at all. It makes it easier to advance for the other sides.
I would only have a problem if yall were on the side I was trying to help. Trying to offset the handicap caused by so many not participating is tough.
Granted it's your $15. If that's what you want to do... so be it.
Post by: The Fugitive on December 31, 2015, 03:44:35 PM
However, that isn't what "most" of the other players are going for. To them the "kill" is all they want. I was getting pretty frustrated, flying 8 minutes only to be ganged over and over again by players who only wanted a kill, not a fight. I was only hanging on waiting for AH3. Then I joined the Ronin, and the fun is back. It's more fun dieing with a squadie than it is alone. Also, with a wingman I even make it back to land a few kills..... when they let me get enough rounds in to get the kill.
What I'm saying, is the game is still good, and you can still play the way you like. Get with a good group of guys, have some fun. Ignore these other guys. Sure I still get ticked off when HQ goes down, or I get picked by some "elite" pilot, but its easier to let that crap go when you flying with good people.
Post by: Vudak on December 31, 2015, 05:13:12 PM
i tried using tact, but mostly, all that got me was nasty PM's. so i quit being nice to them and i got the same PM's. either way isnt good. its 7 billion people, 7 billion opinions type thing.
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I'm not really clear on if you're expressing your tact by sending them PM's or if you're receiving unsolicited ones, but if you are sending PM's, you might consider that text is pretty easy to misinterpret. You might do better to leave PM's for statements like "good kill," "that was fun," "how'd you do that?" etc.
Post by: rvflyer on December 31, 2015, 05:54:11 PM
I think what's really ruining this game is that easier, prettier games have since come out. Not the same cheesy tactics that have existed for 15-20 years.
Post by: Vudak on December 31, 2015, 05:58:00 PM
Just curious which game you think is prettier and not cheesy tactics? I have played many of the so called better graphics etc games and find them all boring and cheesy as hell. I always come back to AH and find it is still the most fun to play.I didnt mean the other games dont have cheesy tactics. Id actually assume those are worse elsewhere. I'm just saying I think the problem with this game is it has dated graphics. I don't mind but I'm sure it turns off its share of players.
Post by: kappa on December 31, 2015, 06:33:05 PM
The game is about fighting but the end result is to get kills.. yes..
Perception plays a big roll whether its a fight or a kill.. For instance.. I'm flying along in a p38 with abit of speed.. I see a high p39, maybe 4k above me, and figure wth.. I'll give it a go.. So I start climbing toward the p39.. The p39 sees me but does not nose down to merge with me, he does the easy kill move and pulls up to rope me.. So, I follow up to stall speed not catching him.. I hammer over as the p39 is now diving on me.. Good for him! hes smart! My smart move is to equalize E so I don't get roped again.. I do this.. P38 with out climb a p39.. I turn the tables and kill the p39.. 200 irrupts as Fugi is calling me a lamer for not fighting.. Go figure.. Perception is reality I guess..
Next time you're at a base like your g14 scenario.. My advice is not to climb over the base.. What works for me is to stay low to the deck and get as much speed as possible.. If you get engaged attempt to force an overshoot while maintaining a heading away from your base away from the other badguys.. In an area with a lot of badguys, mobility is key.. Once you confine yourself to one area you will be ganged.. Just keep pressing out until you get the number of badguys in a manageable number.. Kill them.. Climb abit and return to kill the others..
Post by: guncrasher on December 31, 2015, 08:14:27 PM
I didnt mean the other games dont have cheesy tactics. Id actually assume those are worse elsewhere. I'm just saying I think the problem with this game is it has dated graphics. I don't mind but I'm sure it turns off its share of players.
i find that most guys who complain about the graphics in this game actually have crappy computers and they expect miracles.
semp
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 31, 2015, 09:23:08 PM
Vodu, I don't think I've flown a spit9 this camp and I really REALLY doubt I would be the 4th in on you.. 90% of the time if I'm flying by I won't engage anyone w/ 2 friendlies on them.. The only exception is if they've shot me or tried really hard to shoot me..
The game is about fighting but the end result is to get kills.. yes..
Perception plays a big roll whether its a fight or a kill.. For instance.. I'm flying along in a p38 with abit of speed.. I see a high p39, maybe 4k above me, and figure wth.. I'll give it a go.. So I start climbing toward the p39.. The p39 sees me but does not nose down to merge with me, he does the easy kill move and pulls up to rope me.. So, I follow up to stall speed not catching him.. I hammer over as the p39 is now diving on me.. Good for him! hes smart! My smart move is to equalize E so I don't get roped again.. I do this.. P38 with out climb a p39.. I turn the tables and kill the p39.. 200 irrupts as Fugi is calling me a lamer for not fighting.. Go figure.. Perception is reality I guess..
Next time you're at a base like your g14 scenario.. My advice is not to climb over the base.. What works for me is to stay low to the deck and get as much speed as possible.. If you get engaged attempt to force an overshoot while maintaining a heading away from your base away from the other badguys.. In an area with a lot of badguys, mobility is key.. Once you confine yourself to one area you will be ganged.. Just keep pressing out until you get the number of badguys in a manageable number.. Kill them.. Climb abit and return to kill the others..
I think that just about sums this up.
Post by: The Fugitive on December 31, 2015, 09:34:58 PM
Vodu, I don't think I've flown a spit9 this camp and I really REALLY doubt I would be the 4th in on you.. 90% of the time if I'm flying by I won't engage anyone w/ 2 friendlies on them.. The only exception is if they've shot me or tried really hard to shoot me..
The game is about fighting but the end result is to get kills.. yes..
Perception plays a big roll whether its a fight or a kill.. For instance.. I'm flying along in a p38 with abit of speed.. I see a high p39, maybe 4k above me, and figure wth.. I'll give it a go.. So I start climbing toward the p39.. The p39 sees me but does not nose down to merge with me, he does the easy kill move and pulls up to rope me.. So, I follow up to stall speed not catching him.. I hammer over as the p39 is now diving on me.. Good for him! hes smart! My smart move is to equalize E so I don't get roped again.. I do this.. P38 with out climb a p39.. I turn the tables and kill the p39.. 200 irrupts as Fugi is calling me a lamer for not fighting.. Go figure.. Perception is reality I guess..
Next time you're at a base like your g14 scenario.. My advice is not to climb over the base.. What works for me is to stay low to the deck and get as much speed as possible.. If you get engaged attempt to force an overshoot while maintaining a heading away from your base away from the other badguys.. In an area with a lot of badguys, mobility is key.. Once you confine yourself to one area you will be ganged.. Just keep pressing out until you get the number of badguys in a manageable number.. Kill them.. Climb a bit and return to kill the others..
LOL!!! The point I was trying to make to you was I was in a P39 (midwar, slow, poor turning, piece of crap) and average player and you were in a P38, (late war monster) and above average player, and you felt you needed to grab for almost 2 sectors to be able to win the fight. Having a few advantages over me wasn't enough you needed ALL of them. Thats what I mean you don't want to fight. you wanted all the advantages to be assured of the kill.
I'm not even an average player but I throw myself in to almost any fight. My squad/wingman always say "awww crap! there goes fugi again. Who else needs a wingman?" They know I'm all in. You, I guess feel your cartoon life is important and so can't enter a fight with out all the advantages. So no, you didn't want a fight, only another kill.
Vudo did say in his scenario that he tries to move out gaining speed, but has trouble doing so as he is jumped by a number of guys, you being the 4th one in.... another skilled move by the way. His point is "why be a forth guy in?" If the first 1 or 2 aren't enough you need to fly with better wingmen.
Post by: kappa on December 31, 2015, 10:27:13 PM
LOL!!! The point I was trying to make to you was I was in a P39 (midwar, slow, poor turning, piece of crap) and average player and you were in a P38, (late war monster) and above average player, and you felt you needed to grab for almost 2 sectors to be able to win the fight. Having a few advantages over me wasn't enough you needed ALL of them. Thats what I mean you don't want to fight. you wanted all the advantages to be assured of the kill.
I'm not even an average player but I throw myself in to almost any fight. My squad/wingman always say "awww crap! there goes fugi again. Who else needs a wingman?" They know I'm all in. You, I guess feel your cartoon life is important and so can't enter a fight with out all the advantages. So no, you didn't want a fight, only another kill.
Vudo did say in his scenario that he tries to move out gaining speed, but has trouble doing so as he is jumped by a number of guys, you being the 4th one in.... another skilled move by the way. His point is "why be a forth guy in?" If the first 1 or 2 aren't enough you need to fly with better wingmen.
LoL Fugi.. P38J a late war monster? really? 2 sectors? wow man.. IF you can fly 2 sectors in about 90secs.. ok then..
I engaged you from well below your alt.. all the advantages? really?
No, he said he was getting as much E as he could.. Stop making stuff up Fugi.. He is remembering incorrectly as I was not a spit9 4th in on him..
Edit: I have 0 kills in a spit9 and most the kills i have in a spit are from the last 4days..
Post by: diaster on December 31, 2015, 11:39:17 PM
Vuduvee, these people you say that are ganging/vulch's the end of the runway are Suppressing people while the town is being taken and captured, being vulched or ganged at the end of the runway CAN be prevented Simply by not upping there and up from the closest airfield to that one. This scenero only affects people trying to up from a base being taken.Nope, see plenty of de-acked"vulch lamp lit" by three or four guys with no effort on town at all.
So... in order to get any kind of fight people struggle off the runway trying to get enough alt to offer a decent flight or up from another field fly 10 minutes to runtards. These guys ruin it for a several and even have heard on 200, did just to pi$$ you off
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 31, 2015, 11:50:07 PM
Nope, see plenty of de-acked"vulch lamp lit" by three or four guys with no effort on town at all.
So... in order to get any kind of fight people struggle off the runway trying to get enough alt to offer a decent flight or up from another field fly 10 minutes to runtards. These guys ruin it for a several and even have heard on 200, did just to pi$$ you off
Noo,
See you fly low on the deck in a 109, ki84, spit, Nik, and run them out, then when they get close you do a BRD on em and pop ones wing off. Drag them out and then do defensive tricks to counterpunch them. There is an art to the defensive flying.