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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: DamPhyN0 on December 13, 2017, 10:23:50 PM
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So....
What are the rules on here about having shade, or multiple accounts?
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Rule #1.
Never give yourself away until you are totally compromised
Rule #2
Don't use your shade to spy like a newb from a different computer
Rule #3
Personalities never change :devil
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Never understood why some people bother. :noid
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As long as ur not griefing players by stalking them or hurting gameplay you are okay.
Having shades is fun. I don’t play enough to shade anymore
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I keep my account in the shade. Mediterranean sun makes my account all dried and wrinkled like an old raisin. :old:
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Bozon likes soft fruit products :)
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See rule #7
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Only rule is don't be a jerk. Anybody who has a basic grasp of ethical behavior shouldn't have a problem. Just ask yourself "how would this sound in court?" and don't do it if it sounds bad.
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I used to have two accounts because I was paying for two people. Does that count in your book as a "shade" account?
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This Post is Shady :noid
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I bet you didn't know I'm Clu and bgoldy
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I bet you didn't know I'm Clu and bgoldy
I'm Clu
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I prefer people cussing the name Lazer.
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I prefer people cussing the name Lazer.
:rofl :rofl
:aok
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I'm Clu
Next time you fly as Clu you don't have to go so far out of your way to make it look like you don't know what you're doing. :)
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See rule #7
Post it on the Facebook page......if it's worth reading
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Next time you fly as Clu you don't have to go so far out of your way to make it look like you don't know what you're doing. :)
:rofl
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Let your son or daughter use one of your accounts.
Just make sure they do not switch to another country and kill you
every chance they get. :D
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Let your son or daughter use one of your accounts.
Just make sure they do not switch to another country and kill you
every chance they get. :D
I thought that was against the TOS.......... Item 1 to be exact
I. Your Account
All accounts are governed by and subject to the following rules:
1. Use of your Account is expressly limited to you. Your Account may not be transferred to any other party, temporarily or permanently.
2. All information you supply to HiTech Creations regarding your Account, including your e-mail address, must be complete and accurate.
3. You agree to bear sole responsibility for all use of your Account and for the confidentiality of your password. HiTech Creations will suspend access or change access to your Account immediately upon notification by you through e-mail to billing@hitechcreations.com that your password has been lost, stolen or otherwise compromised.
4. Your HiTech Creations account may be cancelled, at any time, by the following methods: select Delete Account from the Aces High™ Admin menu, by telephoning 817-431-8840 or by sending an e-mail to billing@hitechcreations.com directing us to cancel your account. Termination of your HiTech Creations Account will be effective on the day that HiTech Creations receives your cancellation submission or phone call directing us to cancel your account and you have received an e-mail confirmation. You will be liable for any charges, including any monthly fees, incurred by you until such effective date.
5. You are responsible for any and all connection charges relating to access the HiTech Creations Service.
6. Either you or HiTech Creations may terminate your HiTech Creations membership at any time, with or without cause.
7. You agree to pay HiTech Creations all game play charges relating to the use of your HiTech Creations Account, in accordance with the rates and prices published and always available online at the time the Service is used. Usage of certain special features or premium services may be subject to additional charges. HiTech Creations reserves the right to charge additional finance fees for late payment at the highest rates permitted by law. HiTech Creations reserves the right to change its rates and prices at any time, effective upon a 30-day written or electronic notice to current HiTech Creations members. Continued game play after the effective date of a rate change will be deemed acceptance by you of the new rates. For effective rates, please contact HiTech Creations at 817-431-8840. Rates and prices are published online.
8. Payment of your HiTech Creations account balance is due monthly and must be made by the credit card or debit card that you have designated for HiTech Creations use or by pre-payment in the form of a money order or check.
9. In the event of rejection of any credit card charges or cancellation of your credit card, you agree to make immediate payment of all amounts owed by you to HiTech Creations within 10 days.
10. You must promptly inform HiTech Creations of: (1) changes in the expiration date of any credit card used in connection with the HiTech Creations Service; (2) changes in a home or billing address; (3) breaches of security, including loss, theft, or unauthorized disclosure or use of a credit card, ID, or password; (4) changes in your e-mail address. Until HiTech Creations receives notice of a breach of security, you will remain liable for any unauthorized use charged to your account.
11. Subscribers are expressly prohibited from engaging in any activity that constitutes, in the sole opinion of HiTech Creations, system abuse. System abuse shall include, but is not limited to, attempts to circumvent subscriber authentication or security of any host, network, or account ("cracking"); attempts to interfere with or deny service to any subscriber or any host; furnishing false data on the signup form or via on-line application, including fraudulent use of credit card numbers; and any commercial use of HiTech Creations accounts or services without the express written permission of HiTech Creations. Subscribers expressly agree to use all of HiTech Creations services only for lawful purposes. Transmission or storage of any information, data or material in violation of United States or state regulation or law or by the common law is prohibited, including but not limited to, material protected by copyright, trademark, trade secret, or any other statute.
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I thought that was against the TOS.......... Item 1 to be exact
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1. Use of your Account is expressly limited to you. Your Account may not be transferred to any other party, temporarily or permanently.
If this is the line your talking about, it means that your account can only be used by YOU, tho they may be a bit lenient when it comes to letting your kids use your account now and then.
They have never said you could not have a number of accounts running at the same time, "Tunes" come to mind as an example.
As stated above, as long as your not using the other accounts to "spy" or "hunt" players or cv's which all would fall under the "cheating" umbrella they are allowed.
I know of some players who use a second account to switch sides when fight dry up.
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Post it on the Facebook page......if it's worth reading
Not sure why I got rule 7 but it wasn’t anything major. No names or anything.
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I prefer people cussing the name Lazer.
I fly with you and cuss you. You should be used to it by now....
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When I had an account with Warbirds, I added a second account later on and let my son use it.
The only complaint I ever had was he talks too much :D I'm sure HiTech does not care if dad's pay for another
account. After all it is more revenue.
:salute
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Never understood why some people bother. :noid
I know of at least three legitimate uses people put them to: having a guest account so a friend or prospective new player can come over and play in the same room, having multiple sets of buffs in the air at the same time, and being able to switch countries because of numbers or lack of fights and then switch back again within 6 (at one time 12) hours. I don't see anything wrong with any of that.
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I can't recall which bishop It was, but a while back He flying 2 sets of bombers. Is that cheating or unethical?
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I can't recall which bishop It was, but a while back He flying 2 sets of bombers. Is that cheating or unethical?
No.
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I can't recall which bishop It was, but a while back He flying 2 sets of bombers. Is that cheating or unethical?
Accompanying Lusche here: No. He'd be paying for two and flying for one country only. It's twice as difficult to keep the two sets in formation. In some scenario one single player took care of the entire bomber fleet to let others fill the fighter slots - I don't know if he's got multiple personalities enabling that.
Should a player use the other account for shooting down sets of bombers he's flying for another country is another thing. Cheating? Not actually. Unethical? Maybe. Lame and pathetic? Very much so. Then again, if someone can't get the points for a perked plane by shooting other players down, he most likely can't do any harm with that perk ride either.
Using another account to fly for another country and fighting against your own teammates can be quite refreshing as long as the "true" identity can be held a secret. Same goes for a known player getting a new GameID, making people wonder how that new guy can get so many kills. The fighting style and favourite planes often can reveal the secret, sometimes it can be held for quite a while.
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i fly 2 accounts, never at the same time. its fun to be anonymous at times!
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i fly 2 accounts, never at the same time. its fun to be anonymous at times!
You sneak! :rofl
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I only fly one. I stink up the place enough that way. No need for two of me.....
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I honestly don't understand why this is difficult for people to understand. Taking the most treacherous situation: If you fly on both sides simultaneously you just don't do things like resupply yourself from the other side or use your presence on the other side to zero in on enemies and their task groups. If you want to practice shooting at bombers or gvs and provide yourself with yourself as victim fine. Are you unfairly mining perk points? If mining perk points is your objective than yes that is unfair and you shouldn't do it. What is your intent? What are the results of your actions? Does it adversely effect gameplay for other players in a way that is different from the adverse effects that would come from having an additional player that you collaborate with in an ethical manner?
If you feel that someone is getting away with something they shouldn't, tell the office about it. Just because you are not explicitly prohibited from doing something doesn't mean you are allowed to do it.
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Shooting yourself down is frowned upon. I know a few instances where people have had their scores reset, perks dumped, or worse. :old:
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Shooting yourself down is frowned upon. I know a few instances where people have had their scores reset, perks dumped, or worse. :old:
Well the question I would ask is "why were you shooting your B29s down with an I-16?" But seriously, given that you can go to the dueling....wait can you take off from a field in the matchplay or is it all air starts now? Well I was going to say easily practice on yourself flying straight and level as opposed to on circling drones that don't seem to need wings but If you have to make an arena to do that it seems ok to ME to shoot yourself in the main arena but not if you are perk farming. It doesn't matter what I think though so you can be behaving ethically and still get punished for behaving unethically if its hard to tell the difference. So maybe what I said before about what it sounds like in court is a better suggestion. I mean, if you are worried about your score or perks than you probably are not honest if you say you are practicing by shooting yourself down.
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I used to have 5 accounts. Now I have just 2 (maybe 3, I think I may be paying for one I forgot the login for)
I work away from home 2 or 3 weeks at a time and am home for a week. I tend to fly a lot on my home week. ENY or lack of fights on one side of the map often happens. Having 2nd or 3rd accounts means I can change sides easily and find the fights I want.
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If this is the line your talking about, it means that your account can only be used by YOU, tho they may be a bit lenient when it comes to letting your kids use your account now and then.
They have never said you could not have a number of accounts running at the same time, "Tunes" come to mind as an example.
As stated above, as long as your not using the other accounts to "spy" or "hunt" players or cv's which all would fall under the "cheating" umbrella they are allowed.
I know of some players who use a second account to switch sides when fight dry up.
It is what it is....you are you .......and your kids are not you
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When I had an account with Warbirds, I added a second account later on and let my son use it.
The only complaint I ever had was he talks too much :D I'm sure HiTech does not care if dad's pay for another
account. After all it is more revenue.
:salute
I think what they are looking at is 1 account shared by two people............2 accounts shared by two people is not a problem and revenue is not lost
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I think what they are looking at is 1 account shared by two people............2 accounts shared by two people is not a problem and revenue is not lost
Yes. If I had an account and let two or more people take turns using it, that would be taking money from Hitech.
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I know of at least three legitimate uses people put them to: having a guest account so a friend or prospective new player can come over and play in the same room,
This is how I got my brother hooked on the game. :D
I created some non-paying accounts in the hope that I could invite some friends for a game of tag in a custom arena. Unfortunately, I haven't got that to work out yet. :bhead
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I have 2 accounts, the second is used when there are no fights during off peak hours....I enjoy watching people complaining about my shade, getting killed and me saying nothing like somehow me being on a different name would have changed you from dieing....ZaZa whines about it was the best :bolt: :noid
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Can't believe I'm admitting this but....I to have a shade account..I fly with the name Lazer on the Knight side.. None has figured that out yet cause I fly with 2 very different flying styles.. My Scott66 account reflects love willingness to die allot.. My Lazer account refects death destruction willingness to feed off the hate from others :devil as far as my rook account..I will never tell
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Rule #3
Personalities never change :devil
They do if you dont speak or type :aok
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Can't believe I'm admitting this but....I to have a shade account..I fly with the name Lazer on the Knight side.. None has figured that out yet cause I fly with 2 very different flying styles.. My Scott66 account reflects love willingness to die allot.. My Lazer account refects death destruction willingness to feed off the hate from others :devil as far as my rook account..I will never tell
:D
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I been thinkin' about gettin a Bishop Shade account.......I'm gonna be FNmano, even though I get called that allot anyway
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I been thinkin' about gettin a Bishop Shade account.......I'm gonna be FNmano, even though I get called that allot anyway
FN stands for Forever Nit?
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uhhhh......I think it might stand for something else. :D
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uhhhh......I think it might stand for something else. :D
lol I'm well aware of what it truly means who do you think wrote that on the bathroom walls :devil I was trying to be nice
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When two storches, six gv's and 3 heavy fighters come looking for a harmless little M-8 hiding in a bush.....I know exactly what they are saying........
:D :D :D
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When two storches, six gv's and 3 heavy fighters come looking for a harmless little M-8 hiding in a bush.....I know exactly what they are saying........
:D :D :D
how did I miss all that fun
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would be nice if HTC would give us their thoughts on this situation
shade accounts : cheating or not cheating
I suppose you could use multiple accounts, but if you are that desperate to win or earn perks in a video game then you have real problems
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would be nice if HTC would give us their thoughts on this situation
shade accounts : cheating or not cheating
I suppose you could use multiple accounts, but if you are that desperate to win or earn perks in a video game then you have real problems
Hear that roaring silence?
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HTC and co when asked about shade/multiple accounts... :devil
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"Shade accounts cheating or not cheating?" is little like "squads and telephones cheating or not cheating." Its a case of how you use it not if you use it.
As far as the Geld goes I'm pretty sure it would be better long term profit wise to have two players with two accounts than one player with three. I could well be wrong but I suspect that improvement in game play and the chance of more game proselytizing would make up for the 15 dollars in forgone revenue.
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HTC and co when asked about shade/multiple accounts... :devil
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:rofl
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HTC and co when asked about shade/multiple accounts... :devil
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Bravo.
:rofl
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:devil :devil
Do I hear a slow clap starting?
:rofl hahaha
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HTC and co when asked about shade/multiple accounts... :devil
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Either was the tank icons have really given rise to the above mentioned problem. In AH II even your own squad mates couldn't see you on the map let alone conspirators in the game..either way it's a revenue stream for HiTech and things are not going to change, maybe when you cancel you cancel your subscription take time to let them know the reason you left, thing will change.
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would be nice if HTC would give us their thoughts on this situation
shade accounts : cheating or not cheating
I suppose you could use multiple accounts, but if you are that desperate to win or earn perks in a video game then you have real problems
HTC already has. They have been quite clear in the past about usage of secondary accounts.
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.transponder standby
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There's really only 100 actual players in the game, the rest are my shades.
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There's really only 100 actual players in the game, the rest are my shades.
:rofl :rofl
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HTC already has. They have been quite clear in the past about usage of secondary accounts.
I'm curious Ack-Ack, do you recall what that is/was?
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I'm curious Ack-Ack, do you recall what that is/was?
By action and previous posts by HTC staff.
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I'm curious Ack-Ack, do you recall what that is/was?
As long as they arent being used to grief shade accounts are allowed.
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Thank you, makes sense to me. I've got thoughts of adding one just to encourage one of my sons to play again. Don't understand the incentive to cheat.
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Thank you, makes sense to me. I've got thoughts of adding one just to encourage one of my sons to play again. Don't understand the incentive to cheat.
Same but it is going to happen with any game...HTC has a good track record compared to others
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Same but it is going to happen with any game...HTC has a good track record compared to others
I'd go so far as to argue HTC has the best record so far as dealing with it, out of every online PC game I've played.
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I'd go so far as to argue HTC has the best record so far as dealing with it, out of every online PC game I've played.
I wouldn't argue against that....for sure out of all the games I've played
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You're returning from a strat raid NOE and have a situation at home requiring your attention so you land your lancaster in the middle of nowhere without flashing any base or having raised a dar bar for the last two sectors.........and you weren't headed home direction.
You come back to a blown up plane, review the film and find that someone upped a fighter and beelined straight to your location.
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You're returning from a strat raid NOE and have a situation at home requiring your attention so you land your lancaster in the middle of nowhere without flashing any base or having raised a dar bar for the last two sectors.........and you weren't headed home direction.
You come back to a blown up plane, review the film and find that someone upped a fighter and beelined straight to your location.
Send the film in and let HTC decide if it's foul play...how do you know they beelined??? What if they upped went AFK came back and luckily saw you....
Can't be too :noid it's just a game.
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There's really only 100 actual players in the game, the rest are my shades.
Apparently there are only 2 players if you count my shades, then.
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By action and previous posts by HTC staff.
I asked HTC, directly, here on the forums a couple of years ago and after some hesitancy on his part stated that there is no rule against multiple accounts.
Some thought that I had asked so directly because I was against second accounts. Far from it. I was considering another account at the time and wanted to hear it from Dale (who to his credit came on the thread and replied personally) so there wouldn't be a "gotcha" moment later.
I think that pretty much became policy after that...at least public policy.
ROX
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Send the film in and let HTC decide if it's foul play...how do you know they beelined??? What if they upped went AFK came back and luckily saw you....
Can't be too :noid it's just a game.
Because the guy on my country who vectored the enemy to me told me what he did.
That brought a new challenge of how to make the situation into something fun.
Since he knew where I was flying by my dot....but not WHAT I was flying, I started flying a long legged fighter with bombs to drop the city at least one percentage point and then landing in the middle of nowhere about 2 sectors away from the city with 25% fuel remaining and sure enough, here would come a dar bar.
Then I would fly super low NOE so that he couldn't even see an icon in the direction of where I thought he was coming from and ambush him.
Of course, the new map icons have ruined the "bait and switch" mission profile since the map icon shows whether you have a fighter or a buff.
A lot of unusual and immensely entertaining missions relying on exploiting human nature have been removed from the game because of the recent changes and the "mission diversity" get's thinned out all the more.
It's why I left.
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Because the guy on my country who vectored the enemy to me told me what he did.
That brought a new challenge of how to make the situation into something fun.
Since he knew where I was flying by my dot....but not WHAT I was flying, I started flying a long legged fighter with bombs to drop the city at least one percentage point and then landing in the middle of nowhere about 2 sectors away from the city with 25% fuel remaining and sure enough, here would come a dar bar.
Then I would fly super low NOE so that he couldn't even see an icon in the direction of where I thought he was coming from and ambush him.
Of course, the new map icons have ruined the "bait and switch" mission profile since the map icon shows whether you have a fighter or a buff.
A lot of unusual and immensely entertaining missions relying on exploiting human nature have been removed from the game because of the recent changes and the "mission diversity" get's thinned out all the more.
It's why I left.
Again...send film to HiTech...you are sitting there saying something isn't fair when you could have helped solved the issue with 1 email...
But I'm sure you had other reasons for leaving.... :rolleyes:
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Icepac you have entirely too much time on your hands ...
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Why solve the issue?
I made it into fun.
Surely better than whining on the forums about M3 resupply when I would simply find a way to make that scenario into something fun.
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Why solve the issue?
I made it into fun.
Surely better than whining on the forums about M3 resupply when I would simply find a way to make that scenario into something fun.
Yea killing 20 M3s in a row is real fun :rolleyes:
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And that lack of creativity is why you only exist within a very narrow sliver of what Aces High has to offer.
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I would love to kill 20 m3s in a row..
It would put a smile on my dial..
After that strenuous activity i might up a fighter for some leisurly 1 on 1,2,3 or 4 fighter activity to wind down
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And that lack of creativity is why you only exist within a very narrow sliver of what Aces High has to offer.
I'll beat you in anything in the game...you keep being mad your bad
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You're the one with the angry postings.
I'm posting about getting around perceived game issues by using creativity.
I'm not playing the game anymore because I've got better things to spend my money on than upgrading my current rig that only made 21fps on AH2 and like 4fps on AH3.
I'd also have to get a new joystick since I ran out of pots to replace the bad ones with (they are custom made for thrustmaster). The throttle was so bad that I could not use WEP.
No......instead I'm spending time with the guys from gas monkey garage and testing the fastest cars on the planet on the kennedy space center runway and designing engine management systems that may bring Reno air racing out of the stone age.
I'm also pitching a show to discovery communications.
If you can beat me at anything in the game, then your first challenge is to creep up to the runway of a full up field with a pistol and kill a plane on the runway.
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I've already done that...oh and my posts are made out of anger, I see something wrong and I post about it...doesn't mean I'm mad.
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All my shades have been called skyyr. Which is weird.
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All my shades have been called skyyr. Which is weird.
How do you pronounce 'Skyyr'. This is actually quite important to me.
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How do you pronounce 'Skyyr'. This is actually quite important to me.
All my names before Retirement have been copyrighted :devil
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How do you pronounce 'Skyyr'. This is actually quite important to me.
*sky-er*
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One issue with shade or auxillary accounts is the ability to sway or influence the eny of opforce.
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You're the one with the angry postings.
I'm posting about getting around perceived game issues by using creativity.
I'm not playing the game anymore because I've got better things to spend my money on than upgrading my current rig that only made 21fps on AH2 and like 4fps on AH3.
I'd also have to get a new joystick since I ran out of pots to replace the bad ones with (they are custom made for thrustmaster). The throttle was so bad that I could not use WEP.
No......instead I'm spending time with the guys from gas monkey garage and testing the fastest cars on the planet on the kennedy space center runway and designing engine management systems that may bring Reno air racing out of the stone age.
I'm also pitching a show to discovery communications.
If you can beat me at anything in the game, then your first challenge is to creep up to the runway of a full up field with a pistol and kill a plane on the runway.
All this high tech stuff from a guy that sounds like he's running a first gen Pentium computer & video card...
BS Checklist - complete.
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How do you pronounce 'Skyyr'. This is actually quite important to me.
I think it's Korean?
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I think it's Korean?
Banglataiwakentuckian.
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All this high tech stuff from a guy that sounds like he's running a first gen Pentium computer & video card...
BS Checklist - complete.
Don't join the sweetheart-squad, bro. It won't help the community shine. :)
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Don't join the sweetheart-squad, bro. It won't help the community shine. :)
LOL - Trust me...the "community" has been tarnished for some time. One more won't make a difference :D
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LOL - Trust me...the "community" has been tarnished for some time. One more won't make a difference :D
'One more' always makes a difference. Dogpiling Icepac because Junky has issues with him, however, isn't helping you or anyone deal with their exaggerated frustrations. :D
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'One more' always makes a difference. Dogpiling Icepac because Junky has issues with him, however, isn't helping you or anyone deal with their exaggerated frustrations. :D
Not really...It's guys like him, Cybro, and a few others that use their "creativity" to destroy the game. It's not exaggerated...it's justified. Period.
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Not really...It's guys like him, Cybro, and a few others that use their "creativity" to destroy the game. It's not exaggerated...it's justified. Period.
That was funny but a perfect example. Carry on. :ahand
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That was funny but a perfect example. Carry on. :ahand
And thus another toolbag shines brightly. :rofl
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And thus another toolbag shines brightly. :rofl
Everyone has an opinion. Mine is that the real toolbags are the whiners and complainers and behavior crusaders and not those who support the game and community in a more productive way. I've even seen more people share my opinion than yours yet, unfortunately, cries are a lot louder than smiles. You're way too over-hyped about how others play and not nearly as capable of making the best of what is really probably the best game online. Or are you? Try it (or even try it again, if there was a moment in your past where you can recall being just .... happy and content with AH). :)
You represent the tarnish, my friend. Try to get past that. ;)
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if I did not have my shade accounts I would not have been able to change sides as easily as I have today and would not have had as much fun as I have. Only 1 person had an issue and that seemed personal rather than anything particular to shade accounts.
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if I did not have my shade accounts I would not have been able to change sides as easily as I have today and would not have had as much fun as I have. Only 1 person had an issue and that seemed personal rather than anything particular to shade accounts.
Great idea...think I'm going to go create a shade account so I can experience this equality you speak of.
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Send the film in and let HTC decide if it's foul play...how do you know they beelined??? What if they upped went AFK came back and luckily saw you....
Can't be too :noid it's just a game.
Not sure about that on JunkyII? It is pretty hard to spot a landed aircraft! Have had several parked goons go unnoticed parked at towns. They werent even trying to hide under trees. Either way, its still disappointing. Just like "bomb and balers" and "Ho shots" some folk just cant help being dicks I guess :furious
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Everyone has an opinion. Mine is that the real toolbags are the whiners and complainers and behavior crusaders and not those who support the game and community in a more productive way. I've even seen more people share my opinion than yours yet, unfortunately, cries are a lot louder than smiles. You're way too over-hyped about how others play and not nearly as capable of making the best of what is really probably the best game online. Or are you? Try it (or even try it again, if there was a moment in your past where you can recall being just .... happy and content with AH). :)
You represent the tarnish, my friend. Try to get past that. ;)
AMEN SIR! I just cant understand those players! On one hand they gripe about numbers and lack of fights, then go around cursing at others game play/fun. Are we trying to build number of players or not? This is a HUGE deal for me. I know several potential players that didnt want to play with all the vitriol they received from these types. This game was a GOD SEND for me, so I take a bit of offence to all this crap :mad:
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AMEN SIR! I just cant understand those players! On one hand they gripe about numbers and lack of fights, then go around cursing at others game play/fun. Are we trying to build number of players or not? This is a HUGE deal for me. I know several potential players that didnt want to play with all the vitriol they received from these types. This game was a GOD SEND for me, so I take a bit of offence to all this crap :mad:
Exactly. There's a big difference between shaming them into leaving and showing them how to have more fun. :cheers:
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Not really...It's guys like him, Cybro, and a few others that use their "creativity" to destroy the game. It's not exaggerated...it's justified. Period.
Cybro has done nothing to destroy the game. His actions in game are harmless.
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Everyone has an opinion. Mine is that the real toolbags are the whiners and complainers and behavior crusaders and not those who support the game and community in a more productive way. I've even seen more people share my opinion than yours yet, unfortunately, cries are a lot louder than smiles. You're way too over-hyped about how others play and not nearly as capable of making the best of what is really probably the best game online. Or are you? Try it (or even try it again, if there was a moment in your past where you can recall being just .... happy and content with AH). :)
You represent the tarnish, my friend. Try to get past that. ;)
You might think it's the best game online but where are the numbers going??? It ain't people complaining about the lack of fights, those are the people who are already gone...and they're right. There's time when you can't find a good fight even during primetime...and it's not a fault of HTC...it's a bunch of sissy's....who call out other people for having an ego but who are actually afraid to die or get beat in a video game.
So I'll continue to call the majority around here sissy little lady boys until they sack up and give a good fight...until then, jump off your high horse troll
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Last night, late night eastern, Rooks had a choice of fighting against the horde at A8 with some of those uber pilots coming in at 20k+ to pick those already out numbered 3,4 to 1 :rolleyes: or a 3 way going over furball island. While we were still out numbered the odds werent as bad with it being a 3 way. The fighting went on for 30-60 minutes until the wirbles showed up to spoil the fight. Say good bye to the furball :(
Its not like anyone was taking bases and we needed ground cover.
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So I'll continue to call the majority around here sissy little lady boys until they sack up and give a good fight...until then, jump off your high horse troll
Of course you will. Nobody can convince you otherwise. Nobody should have ever tried. ;)
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Last night, late night eastern, Rooks had a choice of fighting against the horde at A8 with some of those uber pilots coming in at 20k+ to pick those already out numbered 3,4 to 1 :rolleyes: or a 3 way going over furball island. While we were still out numbered the odds werent as bad with it being a 3 way. The fighting went on for 30-60 minutes until the wirbles showed up to spoil the fight. Say good bye to the furball :(
Its not like anyone was taking bases and we needed ground cover.
Short version. You had a blast for bout an hour then someone played with the other toys offered .... because it wasn't the DA and that kind of thing happens in the MA. I want the rest of the story. Did you log? Did you manage to find a degree of fun fighting the horde/alt types (and yes, that can happen)? If you let other players dictate your fun because you have a narrow guideline for such then I'm surprised you stuck it out this long. :)
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Short version. You had a blast for bout an hour then someone played with the other toys offered .... because it wasn't the DA and that kind of thing happens in the MA. I want the rest of the story. Did you log? Did you manage to find a degree of fun fighting the horde/alt types (and yes, that can happen)? If you let other players dictate your fun because you have a narrow guideline for such then I'm surprised you stuck it out this long. :)
The rest of the story is I hung around looking for a fight. The A8 fight was still full of pickers, namely a certain U4 and a pony and the furball was breaking up due to wirbles, so yes I logged.
Funny how that seems to be happening more and more often to more and more players these days. You guys that are always saying how the "Sun is always shining, and all is well with the world" are going to be the only 6-8 players left saying that as they close the doors.
There is something wrong with HOW the game is played by the players we have today. The game it self is great.
Graphics are good (just got a new video card and turned EVERYTHING up, very pretty),
Sound is ok, I wish they would spend more time really USING the new sound system instead of the "canned" default sounds they used to get it up and running (from the stuff Challenge posted about the system there looks like there is so much more that could be done)
Plane selection is awesome! Something for everybody
Vehicle selection is great.
Ships bring another element to what could be more battles.
Strat systems that do have effect, but not crippling, but have the option of a number of players spending their time could make it crippling if they wanted to work at it.
A base capture system that while easy to understand is not always so easy to accomplish.
The option to have bomber streams to many different targets, the ability to attack or defend them as well and many other targets.
...and so much more, yet what do we get, players looking for easy kills to get there name in lights. Pickers, runners, HOers, wirbles in the middle of a furball. Todays players have watered down the game to the least possible game dimensions. The few things the try get boring and make less fun for others and they more on. With less players coming in it is a losing situation.
Poor game play behavior is controllable. You can have the prettiest game in the world with all the best "toys" in it, even with great numbers but if game play sucks it wont last. Not with so many other options available.
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Arlo,
Be nice....I want to be the most hated guy in the forums...... :cool:
Ya know, one of these days Skuzzy is going to offload you and me into our own two man mean guy forum and only allow us to communicate with hello kitty emojis.
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Arlo,
Be nice....I want to be the most hated guy in the forums...... :cool:
Ya know, one of these days Skuzzy is going to offload you and me into our own two man mean guy forum and only allow us to communicate with hello kitty emojis.
What is this? You're scaring me. :D
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...and so much more, yet what do we get, players looking for easy kills to get there name in lights. Pickers, runners, HOers, wirbles in the middle of a furball. Todays players have watered down the game to the least possible game dimensions. The few things the try get boring and make less fun for others and they more on. With less players coming in it is a losing situation.
Poor game play behavior is controllable. You can have the prettiest game in the world with all the best "toys" in it, even with great numbers but if game play sucks it wont last. Not with so many other options available.
As much as I want what you want (and I do) I completely disagree with your assessment of how 'poor game play behavior in controllable.' Human nature, itself, is contrary to that. You can't force another player to be exactly what you want them to be when they aren't breaking game rules. You can possibly set an example and inspire them (this takes positive methods and a great deal more effort and character than 'shaming' does). Even then, there's no guarantees. There never will be.
Dale can't code in behavior (as evidenced by ENY and the stubborn nature of the average player). And we, the self proclaimed 'guardians of the community', can't make a putz a non-putz. We can (possibly) out-fun them (and yes, it's an uphill battle when there's more putzes than heroic champions). That's another part of human nature, though. When it comes down to it, we play games to have fun but there will always be an element of people that get pleasure out of someone else's misery. And even if that can be avoided, your fun may not be their fun may not be my fun and others may not care about your or my misery, at all (nor would they care what we think their fun should be). You and I seem to agree that AH offers lots of opportunities for fun, though. Which leads me back to my own conclusion, on a regular basis - it's not really them, it's me. I'm in charge .... of me. :)
On another note - I see wonderful posts like the one made by Junky II that encourages players to try KOTH, fearlessly and with that wonderful attitude of fun, win or lose. I appreciated it and it renews my faith. I want more of that. But, like I said, that's me. :cheers: :salute
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Arlo,
Be nice....I want to be the most hated guy in the forums...... :cool:
Ya know, one of these days Skuzzy is going to offload you and me into our own two man mean guy forum and only allow us to communicate with hello kitty emojis.
it's too late for that bustr your cool maps in rotation make to liked... Sorry
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As much as I want what you want (and I do) I completely disagree with your assessment of how 'poor game play behavior in controllable.' Human nature, itself, is contrary to that. You can't force another player to be exactly what you want them to be when they aren't breaking game rules. You can possibly set an example and inspire them (this takes positive methods and a great deal more effort and character than 'shaming' does). Even then, there's no guarantees. There never will be.
Human nature may not be controllable, but game play can be. If you dont want drivers doing 200+ into a corner you add a chicane to slow them down before they get to the corner. The same can be done in the game. If game play isn't changed to bring back the variety and challenge that made the game strong it will continue to lose players.
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Human nature may not be controllable, but game play can be. If you dont want drivers doing 200+ into a corner you add a chicane to slow them down before they get to the corner. The same can be done in the game. If game play isn't changed to bring back the variety and challenge that made the game strong it will continue to lose players.
I know that I have asked this before....but for the life of me, I just dont get why AH enjoyment is something you dont have. I missed the old days so I have to give your opinion a bit more weight, than my own :salute That being said,IMO this game and its players are the GREATEST fun I could hope to find in a video game. :rock Yes, I get frustrated at times but always have a blast playing. So to be fair about it, why are players who are positive about the current game play get demeaned and shown scorn? Alot of us with that opinion probably came late to the party as well. Just saying :uhoh
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I know that I have asked this before....but for the life of me, I just dont get why AH enjoyment is something you dont have. I missed the old days so I have to give your opinion a bit more weight, than my own :salute That being said,IMO this game and its players are the GREATEST fun I could hope to find in a video game. :rock Yes, I get frustrated at times but always have a blast playing. So to be fair about it, why are players who are positive about the current game play get demeaned and shown scorn? Alot of us with that opinion probably came late to the party as well. Just saying :uhoh
Im not saying this is it, just playing "devils advocate", but maybe your one of the players causing the issues?
Are you a player that enjoys dive bombing a single tank with a fully loaded lancaster?
Do you enjoy being the 4th, 5th...8th guy in on a single fighter?
Do you enjoy upping a wirble under a low alt furbal just to pick off fighter that are doing nothing but fighting each other?
Do you enjoy circling of a base capture/defense at 20K to drop in and pick/run until your low on bullets/fuel?
Do you enjoy sitting at some out of the way place and single shot/popping spawning GVs?
Do you enjoy jumping into an M3 as soon as a buff shows up on dar?
They "old days" was about combat (funny how that word is so predominately displayed in the description of the game and yet we find so little of IN the game), air to air, air to ground, ship to air, ground to ground, bombing strat missions, base captures, squad to squad battles (one squad holds a base another tries to take it). These are things of the past with the players of today and their "instant gratification".
I have been in battles that lasted hours over a single base. I remember one full afternoon we had a guy from England driving our CV, maybe "Lynx" not sure, but he drove the heck out of that CV and we captured only 2 bases while fighting off the attacks to the CV. More than 4 hours of fun had by everyone there. Fighters, bombers, GVers, PT boat drivers, 50-60 people playing and fighting in one area.
Today it would be a few sets of dive bombing lancs and everyone would move on. I understand the "sand box" idea of the MA, but when people start to abuse that freedom to do what ever they want to the point of driving away CUSTOMERS I think it may be time to reevaluate that open sand box idea.
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Players have fun doing whatever. Some don't have fun letting them. No, it's not something new.
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There are many reasons players drop Their subscription. I wonder does Hitech survey The ones that do drop? I know I like to know what My customers and future former customers are thinking, It may help the try Your services out again.
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Im not saying this is it, just playing "devils advocate", but maybe your one of the players causing the issues?
Are you a player that enjoys dive bombing a single tank with a fully loaded lancaster?
Do you enjoy being the 4th, 5th...8th guy in on a single fighter?
Do you enjoy upping a wirble under a low alt furbal just to pick off fighter that are doing nothing but fighting each other?
Do you enjoy circling of a base capture/defense at 20K to drop in and pick/run until your low on bullets/fuel?
Do you enjoy sitting at some out of the way place and single shot/popping spawning GVs?
Do you enjoy jumping into an M3 as soon as a buff shows up on dar?
They "old days" was about combat (funny how that word is so predominately displayed in the description of the game and yet we find so little of IN the game), air to air, air to ground, ship to air, ground to ground, bombing strat missions, base captures, squad to squad battles (one squad holds a base another tries to take it). These are things of the past with the players of today and their "instant gratification".
I have been in battles that lasted hours over a single base. I remember one full afternoon we had a guy from England driving our CV, maybe "Lynx" not sure, but he drove the heck out of that CV and we captured only 2 bases while fighting off the attacks to the CV. More than 4 hours of fun had by everyone there. Fighters, bombers, GVers, PT boat drivers, 50-60 people playing and fighting in one area.
Today it would be a few sets of dive bombing lancs and everyone would move on. I understand the "sand box" idea of the MA, but when people start to abuse that freedom to do what ever they want to the point of driving away CUSTOMERS I think it may be time to reevaluate that open sand box idea.
1. Nope on the Lancs. I do my bomping of tanks is in my Spit 16...it takes some skill at least
2. Nope, I hate that
3. GUILTY as CHARGED! Its contributing to the war effort! Keep your guys alive type of thing. I do how ever understand that frustration....happens to me all the time. I love bombing Wirbs though, so KARMA I guess :x Same as your 4 hours with GVs, fighters and bombers, just scaled down a bit.
4. Nope, too high for me! As I am usually heavy and low looking for the GVs defending towns
5.Nope, tanks arent my thing...plus I get bombed alot! Karma again perhaps
6. Depends on the Dar BAR in sector. Done right..town will be deacked and WF LONG before I could get there! I do try though at times. Hasnt been as much as a factor since Bustr's maps are pretty good about spawn point distances, IMO
As far as what you are describing as COMBAT....I see this sort of stuff every time I log in. True the numbers that participated in the past was WAY bigger, it still happens! Its hard to defend a carrier these days I guess? Would be a lot better with mass uppers and loads of guns manned for a fact! This does create some fast and furious action though. Makes one stay on their toes IF they want to maintain the CV. I see it like Video Poker at Vegas...Sure you get a bigger payout for paying hand playing with dollars , but playing quarters or less has same winnings by %. Seems to me that the onus is on your particular style of play. Game has evolved so evolve with it? I do understand your points though! Playing .05 Video Poker is all I know so its different for me. Its still a gratifying pay out for me. Hope that gives you a better idea of what I mean, when I say that I dont understand how this isnt fun for you :salute
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I'm not necessarily a shade, but I also don't really want everyone knowing who I was way back when...That's all :cheers:
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I have been in battles that lasted hours over a single base. I remember one full afternoon we had a guy from England driving our CV, maybe "Lynx" not sure, but he drove the heck out of that CV and we captured only 2 bases while fighting off the attacks to the CV. More than 4 hours of fun had by everyone there. Fighters, bombers, GVers, PT boat drivers, 50-60 people playing and fighting in one area.
The type of gameplay you're talking about (like the squad on squad stuff) was more possible when there were many squads on at a time with enough people to steamroll a base. Nowadays, people are more selfish, and I think that is because of the lack of numbers. They arent flying in groups, so they jump in a werb and shoot down low flying enemies in a fight over a base, or jump in a lanc and dive bomb a GV.
We gotta get more people into Aces High. Ive made my argument before as to how we can go about doing this, but we could have alot of those positive aspects of the game back if we had more people. It wouldn't be as worthwhile to do all these cheapy selfish methods of getting kills if there were more people, which in turn, i believe, would create a more Rooks vs. Bish vs. Knights game, like the old days, instead of everyone for themselves. Then my squad can actually feel like we accomplished something for the team again when we level the strats, instead of just doing it for perkies, which is what it has turned into.
I might have had too much wine before typing this out. Im not disagreeing with you Fugitive. The game has changed. But only because its tough to get 150 people online anymore.
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The type of gameplay you're talking about (like the squad on squad stuff) was more possible when there were many squads on at a time with enough people to steamroll a base. Nowadays, people are more selfish, and I think that is because of the lack of numbers. They arent flying in groups, so they jump in a werb and shoot down low flying enemies in a fight over a base, or jump in a lanc and dive bomb a GV.
We gotta get more people into Aces High. Ive made my argument before as to how we can go about doing this, but we could have alot of those positive aspects of the game back if we had more people. It wouldn't be as worthwhile to do all these cheapy selfish methods of getting kills if there were more people, which in turn, i believe, would create a more Rooks vs. Bish vs. Knights game, like the old days, instead of everyone for themselves. Then my squad can actually feel like we accomplished something for the team again when we level the strats, instead of just doing it for perkies, which is what it has turned into.
I might have had too much wine before typing this out. Im not disagreeing with you Fugitive. The game has changed. But only because its tough to get 150 people online anymore.
+ 100 That was my point as well..I havent been around as long as Fugitive or many others, so its hard to disagree with his issues. The game changed and you cant really expect the lower numbers to NOT impact game play. Human nature dictates some of these changes. I hate seeing these VETERAN players peeved, or bitter and negative about a place I really love being a part of! But I do understand :salute
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The type of gameplay you're talking about (like the squad on squad stuff) was more possible when there were many squads on at a time with enough people to steamroll a base. Nowadays, people are more selfish, and I think that is because of the lack of numbers. They arent flying in groups, so they jump in a werb and shoot down low flying enemies in a fight over a base, or jump in a lanc and dive bomb a GV.
We gotta get more people into Aces High. Ive made my argument before as to how we can go about doing this, but we could have alot of those positive aspects of the game back if we had more people. It wouldn't be as worthwhile to do all these cheapy selfish methods of getting kills if there were more people, which in turn, i believe, would create a more Rooks vs. Bish vs. Knights game, like the old days, instead of everyone for themselves. Then my squad can actually feel like we accomplished something for the team again when we level the strats, instead of just doing it for perkies, which is what it has turned into.
I might have had too much wine before typing this out. Im not disagreeing with you Fugitive. The game has changed. But only because its tough to get 150 people online anymore.
I agree there is a numbers issue. With twice the numbers, those doing this lame type of game play would double, but you would also have twice the number of players playing the game the way it was meant to be played and there would be less complaints because it would be easier to join in with the type of play a person prefers.
+ 100 That was my point as well..I havent been around as long as Fugitive or many others, so its hard to disagree with his issues. The game changed and you cant really expect the lower numbers to NOT impact game play. Human nature dictates some of these changes. I hate seeing these VETERAN players peeved, or bitter and negative about a place I really love being a part of! But I do understand :salute
I dont look at it as being "peeved, or bitter and negative". I do get frustrated seeing this lame game play take over the game. I KNOW what these players are missing, I KNOW these players are going to get bored and leave the game, and I KNOW these players could be "guided" away from that type of play to a more "advantageous to the game" type of play.
At one point in the game history the NOE was king. 19 out of 20 missions were NOE. Mega squads would would bonce from base to base grabbing one after the other in quick succession (The 444th Air Mafia had a "Lightning Strike" mission, NOE with 5-7 guys plus a goon, our quickest capture was 9 minutes from Dar circle to capture.) It was a "wack-a-mole" game chasing flashing bases, no fights/combat. HTC changed the dar height and made NOEs a bit harder .... but not impossible, to run and the fights/combat was back because players couldnt hide/avoid the fights/combat any more.
This is what we need again, and adjustment to bring the fights/combat BACK to the game. The GV dar is a step in this direction. It makes it easier to find a fight.
I think there are two things this game needs, a bit of structure, and a way to get the newbs thru the steep learning curve.
One thing I have thought about was HTC hiring some players. There are already a number of players that put in a ton of time that are retired due to age or medical reasons and they love this game. Hire them to be IN the game as trainers to get the newbs started. Hire them to play "General" in the arena to run missions, real missions, not "Grab a hvy fighter and meet on the NW runway!". Give them a free subscription, and a few bucks an hour to run a 2-4 hour shift where they do nothing but push the positives of the game. A dozen guys switching off shifts could keep the action moving in the game, and a guy active with training 24/7. These guys are here already, use them. Give them some beer money and let them help build a better community IN the game.
Hitech said that most player dont come back after that first session in the game. If there was a player at the door calling out on the radio every 15 minutes that a quick "10 minute Starter session" starting to get new players started, how many more would be likely to stay? Some would stick it out longer get the basic info, other would stay long knowing and using the help they now know is available.
Something has to be done. With the numbers on the ranking system dropping as they are, we are still losing more players than we are getting/keeping.
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Bong40 may be lurking in the shadows.... :joystick:
See ya in the Un-Friendly skies :airplane:
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I agree with The Fugative that there should be a better way to come into contact with new players. I for one don't need beer money. But i need to know who is new without shooting them down first and than contacting them without they feel insulted by me.
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I agree with The Fugative that there should be a better way to come into contact with new players. I for one don't need beer money. But i need to know who is new without shooting them down first and than contacting them without they feel insulted by me.
DutchVII
The beer money would be nothing more than to tie you too your shift for 2-4 hours. Doing nothing but being a general running missions, or a trainer doing nothing but 10 get started classes over and over. Basically you have to put this stuff IN the newbs face or they wont search it out and use it.
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The beer money would be nothing more than to tie you too your shift for 2-4 hours. Doing nothing but being a general running missions, or a trainer doing nothing but 10 get started classes over and over. Basically you have to put this stuff IN the newbs face or they wont search it out and use it.
I was just saying i am willing to even do that without a payment. So i consider myself one of those ppl you spoke of that where already around. I would like to see an influx of new players and i am willing to hold there hand. And we have the same problem, we don't know who they are until its to late.
I think i once wished for a sort of a lobby where vets and new players could come in contact easy.
When steam was introduced i helped about 13 players to setup there controls and showed them basic flying.
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I wonder how many players we would have if all the players who don't play because there aren't enough players, were playing. :D
As for why newbs don't stick around, only HTC knows the real story. But, I've seen several sitting in the spawn hangar in a P-51 firing the guns. They might even get off the ground and auger as soon as they disable auto-takeoff. 15 minutes later they are gone. I've tried to contact them by VOX and text and gotten no reply. Not sure how a trainer would help them get started if they can't (or won't) communicate.
Maybe a new player could be automatically started in an AI arena, with an air start, "easymode" controls, and drones that are easy kills -- quick and easy success. Make it clear that this is just an introduction to the game and give them access to the training videos, scheduling a training session, and the MA. Tag their icon so (friendly) players know they are new. Or, something....
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I've been flying under my current handle for about 3 years now (gerblntz), but got accused of being a shade the other day after shooting a few people down in my 109G6. I had a good laugh out of it when the guy got on 200 wanting to know just who this guy is. So I politely informed him I was wil3ur. :noid
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I've been flying under my current handle for about 3 years now (gerblntz), but got accused of being a shade the other day after shooting a few people down in my 109G6. I had a good laugh out of it when the guy got on 200 wanting to know just who this guy is. So I politely informed him I was wil3ur. :noid
NUTTS! Yup, I gave up trying to figure out your callsign about 2 years ago and asked ya :rofl Shade....must have had shadows enabled :x You do realize...if you were on more, this would never happen :devil
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You do realize...if you were on more, this would never happen :devil
It's amazing what the company of the fairer sex does to your gaming time. :joystick:
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At one point in the game history the NOE was king. 19 out of 20 missions were NOE. Mega squads would would bonce from base to base grabbing one after the other in quick succession (The 444th Air Mafia had a "Lightning Strike" mission, NOE with 5-7 guys plus a goon, our quickest capture was 9 minutes from Dar circle to capture.) It was a "wack-a-mole" game chasing flashing bases, no fights/combat. HTC changed the dar height and made NOEs a bit harder .... but not impossible, to run and the fights/combat was back because players couldnt hide/avoid the fights/combat any more.
Man it was easy in the day with 7 guys to run NOE and grab several bases in a night. I used to do it with the Spartan Warriors all the time... Im trying to start a squad again with my buddy from the SWs and grab some newbies and see if we cant train them from the bottom up, and grab some bases like we used to. I think the best way to get guys to stay is to make them feel like they are part of a community. Thats what made me stay in the game, and I loved it for years before taking a break. Right now, the only time ill fly for any substantial amount of time is when Im with people i enjoying flying with. I want to make that happen for the new guys too. If everyone set out to do this, the squads will grow, and I think the game would change again for the better.
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Man it was easy in the day with 7 guys to run NOE and grab several bases in a night. I used to do it with the Spartan Warriors all the time... Im trying to start a squad again with my buddy from the SWs and grab some newbies and see if we cant train them from the bottom up, and grab some bases like we used to. I think the best way to get guys to stay is to make them feel like they are part of a community. Thats what made me stay in the game, and I loved it for years before taking a break. Right now, the only time ill fly for any substantial amount of time is when Im with people i enjoying flying with. I want to make that happen for the new guys too. If everyone set out to do this, the squads will grow, and I think the game would change again for the better.
This +1 :aok
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:aok I cant remember the last time I saw an NOE! :confused: Its like everyone forgot how to take bases even :uhoh Had a few missions yesterday that worked...but took some extra lifting/time to get er done :headscratch:
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:aok I cant remember the last time I saw an NOE! :confused: Its like everyone forgot how to take bases even :uhoh Had a few missions yesterday that worked...but took some extra lifting/time to get er done :headscratch:
It was much more fun / easier with the 200 ft level for dar ring visibility. Once they changed that to 50 ft it's damned near impossible. Ever tried to hold a set of Lanc's @50ft or less? Those big wings generate a lot of lift!
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Its like everyone forgot how to take bases even
Fun facts: The rate of base captures per played hour hase gone up a lot in the past few years and nowadays it is actually on par with the golden age of NOE basegrabbing :old:
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And on topic:
Sometimes I don't get this obsession with shades. As long as no harm is done, what does the name of a pilot matter?
Each time I reopened an AH account in the recent years, I played under a different names for like two weeks before getting my old handle back. It wasn't a second account, I didn't harass anyone, I didn't stir things up on any channel and I was never posing as a n00b. I just played my game.
Each time I had players going ballistic after getting shot down, 'accusing' me of being a shade, 'pretending to be a new player' and vowed to 'expose me'. Obviously getting killed by a name they don't recognize is a grave insult.
No, I really don't get it. :headscratch:
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Once they changed that to 50 ft it's damned near impossible. Ever tried to hold a set of Lanc's @50ft or less? Those big wings generate a lot of lift!
NOE is 65 feet, not 50 and it's quite easy to keep a plane under that, or even under 30 feet if you want to... it takes a bit of patience, and manual trimming works much better than autopilot that will normally lift about 30 feet after hitting it. But basically, if you can make sure your lift is as close to 0 as possible when below 65 feet then hit your autopilot, it should normalize just about where you pressed the button.
If you're in a dive or climb and do it, it will try and normalize flight before it goes level. The computer, being safe, will normalize by pulling up rather than augering you.
It's really not impossible, I do it all the time. :old:
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And on topic:
Sometimes I don't get this obsession with shades. As long as no harm is done, what does the name of a pilot matter?
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No, I really don't get it. :headscratch:
I'm with you Snailman. But having heard comments on vox it seems some are concerned & convinced that people use shade accounts for cheating. Personally I like to avoid drama in the game, and try to even avoid engaging in such concerns.
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Dar bar is still ABOVE 200 ft is it not? With Radar down? That to my knowledge, is same as always- well as long as I have played? That was my point really, we used to kill a few radars then NOE a mass group under 200 ft and roll bases all day. Had some great fights after about the 3rd take, when REDS caught on! Thats how I learned this game, checking down times, setting salvos, dive bombing, ect. When this was happening on a regular basis,I could easily play for over 150 hrs a tour :rock Always wished we could start a wager board for which guy would smack the next tree :O
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NOE is 65 feet, not 50 and it's quite easy to keep a plane under that, or even under 30 feet if you want to... it takes a bit of patience, and manual trimming works much better than autopilot that will normally lift about 30 feet after hitting it. But basically, if you can make sure your lift is as close to 0 as possible when below 65 feet then hit your autopilot, it should normalize just about where you pressed the button.
If you're in a dive or climb and do it, it will try and normalize flight before it goes level. The computer, being safe, will normalize by pulling up rather than augering you.
It's really not impossible, I do it all the time. :old:
Over sea, or land?
I find it difficult to tell what exactly 65 feet above the ground *is* over undulating terrain. I also don't have any frame of reference for how high the AH trees are. In any case since AH trees and buildings don't interfere with dar the way real ones do (or did in WW2, before there was Doppler radar) I don't even try to stay NOE over them. If you're not colliding you're almost certainly on dar.
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I believe that if the radar is up, you need to be under 65 ft. so your icon does not show on the map and you show no dar bar. You can be above 65ft. and below 200 ft. with the radar up and will show a plane icon and no dar bar. If the radar is down, you can fly under 200 ft. and will show no plane icon on map or dar bar.
one-eye
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:aok
I believe that if the radar is up, you need to be under 65 ft. so your icon does not show on the map and you show no dar bar. You can be above 65ft. and below 200 ft. with the radar up and will show a plane icon and no dar bar. If the radar is down, you can fly under 200 ft. and will show no plane icon on map or dar bar.
one-eye
:aok Thanks, thats what I thought! See what I mean? Its like we got to AH3 and everyone forgot the rules :O
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You're certainly not bringing a set of lancasters into a dar ring over land without generating a dar dot.
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You're certainly not bringing a set of lancasters into a dar ring over land without generating a dar dot.
We don't have dots any more....now it shows a bomber or fighter, they went are arcade route
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We don't have dots any more....now it shows a bomber or fighter, they went are arcade route
Not entirely. Dar mimics both radar and spotters. Probably more spotters.
(http://d1nr5wevwcuzuv.cloudfront.net/product_photos/47968783/E-US-Thumb_400w.jpg)
(http://d111vui60acwyt.cloudfront.net/product_photos/47968756/E-GE-Thumb_400w.jpg)
(http://d310a9hpolx59w.cloudfront.net/product_photos/47970643/P-JA-Thumb_400w.jpg)
The game difference is that since the same planes are used on all sides the spotters can still tell an enemy fighter or bomber from a friendly. ;)
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:aok Makes sense :O wait...is that allowed anymore :x
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Not entirely. Dar mimics both radar and spotters. Probably more spotters.
In that case, there ought to be some indication of altitude.
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In that case, there ought to be some indication of altitude.
Spotters that are three dimension-ally challenged. But maybe it could be coded (bearing in mind that's not my skill):
Slight green tint = less than 5000
Slight orange tint = 5001-10000
Slight blue tint = 10001-20000
Slight rainbow tint = 20001+
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Gonna have to check it out if it's changed.
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Spotters that are three dimension-ally challenged. But maybe it could be coded (bearing in mind that's not my skill):
Slight green tint = less than 5000
Slight orange tint = 5001-10000
Slight blue tint = 10001-20000
Slight rainbow tint = 20001+
Oh no not another crutch....... how about asking someone on your county how high they are..or go to a base and look. Or maybe in the future we can put our mouse on the icon and see what Altitude, Speed, and who the pilot is.....that way you can figure out if it's worth chasing him.
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Oh no not another crutch....... how about asking someone on your county how high they are..or go to a base and look. Or maybe in the future we can put our mouse on the icon and see what Altitude, Speed, and who the pilot is.....that way you can figure out if it's worth chasing him.
I merely responded to Crash's assertion that if DAR also represented spotters then there would also be an idea of the altitude of the inbound aircraft (there would be). I responded with the only idea I could think of, regarding how it could be practically coded. I suppose there could be other ways. But if you're suggesting that such is an unrealistic 'crutch' that didn't exist in real life, please elaborate further.
I'm kinda warming up to the idea. I bet new players might appreciate not having to run around goose-chasing fights until they finally actually find one. :)
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I'm a shade account.
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I was guarding the last auto gun at a vehicle base today with a Wirb, and an opposing player swooped in and took the gun out with a bomb. Then I see on 200 that someone salutes me. I see the plane fly away, so I wait a bit and tower and check film, and the guy who saluted me is the pilot who dropped the bomb. And not only does he drop the bomb and salute me, but he pulls a c*br* and lands out in the woods to flash the base for an hour.
Shades.
But at least now I know who c*br*'s shade is.
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I was guarding the last auto gun at a vehicle base today with a Wirb, and an opposing player swooped in and took the gun out with a bomb. Then I see on 200 that someone salutes me. I see the plane fly away, so I wait a bit and tower and check film, and the guy who saluted me is the pilot who dropped the bomb. And not only does he drop the bomb and salute me, but he pulls a c*br* and lands out in the woods to flash the base for an hour.
Shades.
But at least now I know who c*br*'s shade is.
Shades and Shading = Profitable Suckage. :airplane:
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I was guarding the last auto gun at a vehicle base today with a Wirb, and an opposing player swooped in and took the gun out with a bomb. Then I see on 200 that someone salutes me. I see the plane fly away, so I wait a bit and tower and check film, and the guy who saluted me is the pilot who dropped the bomb. And not only does he drop the bomb and salute me, but he pulls a c*br* and lands out in the woods to flash the base for an hour.
Shades.
But at least now I know who c*br*'s shade is.
do tell! :old:
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IT'S JUDGE.................
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IT'S JUDGE.................
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Yeah and I am 2cmex...
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Not entirely. Dar mimics both radar and spotters. Probably more spotters.
(http://d1nr5wevwcuzuv.cloudfront.net/product_photos/47968783/E-US-Thumb_400w.jpg)
(http://d111vui60acwyt.cloudfront.net/product_photos/47968756/E-GE-Thumb_400w.jpg)
(http://d310a9hpolx59w.cloudfront.net/product_photos/47970643/P-JA-Thumb_400w.jpg)
The game difference is that since the same planes are used on all sides the spotters can still tell an enemy fighter or bomber from a friendly. ;)
Not buying it, "Coast Watchers" could not give instant updates ... didn't happen.
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Not buying it, "Coast Watchers" could not give instant updates ... didn't happen.
(https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/original/fSBJaURjKlwLSkjinXSZIJ8hrsG.jpg)
What do you mean I'm not giving you up to date reports? You owe me a bottle!
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Neat picture! And I have always had the utmost respect for the folks that did that duty ... but with only with extra ordinary rareness did they ever talk to an operator.
They broadcast in the blind (for self preservation), coordinating centers collected the reports (as did the bad guys), dutifully awaited confirmation from a second watch site, then (sometimes) a response was coordinated.
I stick with my initial assertion.
:cheers:
PS Y'all watch "Father Goose" the movie ... AND "PT-109"! :old:
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PS Y'all watch "Father Goose" the movie ... AND "PT-109"! :old:
With relish. :)
The realm of reality in AH falls within game playability parameters.
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My shade = "Shuffler"