They are going to stick this rushed experiment into the old folks and doctors 1st if I heard correctly
The rest of us in the spring if that goes well..
Sounds like this will be another yearly shot millions run to CVS to have jabbed into them.
I know mine, what are your plans on getting this?
Are you ready to be restricted from normal activity if you don't?
Anyone else see a vaccine card/ document needed for confirmation before you are allowed back in?
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Maverick on November 29, 2020, 10:27:39 AM
I seriously doubt that this will be an annual deal. Just like the spanish flu it will be over in another year or so. We plan to get the vaccine when it is available. Between cancer and just plain old age both of us are in the extreme risk category. I don't have an issue with getting a vaccine. As you get older not only do you think about the flu shots but you also consider shingles and pneumonia shots as well as renewing tetanus boosters, especially if you are active outside. I even had hepatitus vaccines mandated by my employer and of course the Army "provided" several especially iof you are being deployed overseas.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Ramesis on November 29, 2020, 12:30:43 PM
Just like you Eagler, I got a terrible case of flu every time I got it while in the military... My doctors say it is an old wives tale but I say nothing is 100% effective for 100% of everyone... I'm still mulling it over but I suspect I won't get it :salute
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: MORAY37 on November 29, 2020, 02:19:28 PM
That isn't correct. None of your genetic material is changed in any way. All vaccines use a delivery system to get into a cell; this one uses a lipid nanoparticle (think "RNA string surrounded by soluble fat blob") that allows for transport across the cellular membrane. Most vaccines use a handicapped, non-pathogenic version of a different virus (usually an adenovirus) that hijacks a specific protein of the target virus in so that your immune system can identify it quickly, if you become infected.
In order for a vaccine to work, the mRNA (messenger RNA, encodes for specific a protein synthesis) for a viral protein specific to the virus you wish to immunize against must get delivered to the ribosome in one (actually, many) of your cells. Ribosomes are basically protein manufacturing plants within every one of your cells. They take mRNA floating around inside the cell and turn it into specific proteins; all of the proteins that your body replicates naturally as well as pathogenic invaders.... Generally, the viral proteins that we make for immunizations are non-functional.... there is an important coded region that isn't manufactured. Therefore, the protein that is made from this process looks exactly like the real virus, but cannot function like it. Your immune system identifies it and creates antibodies and helper T cells (as well as dozens of other cell types) to identify and destroy any real infection. These remain in your system as immune "memory"....some last a lifetime, others not so long.
If you actually become infected during this immune memory phase, you most likely won't get sick, or ever know you were infected.
So, basically we hijack the same system that a real virus uses to infect us in order to protect ourselves. Your individual genetic material is never even sourced during this process, only the mechanism that makes proteins.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on November 29, 2020, 02:36:40 PM
Thanks, Moray. :) :cheers:
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: MORAY37 on November 29, 2020, 03:58:15 PM
Flu vaccinations are only "best guesses" done by professionals months before influenza season even begins. Each year's vaccine only covers the strains that epidemiologists predict will become dominant for that season. There are dozens of emerging genetic strains of influenza each year, as influenza has an unusually high mutation and recombination rate. Influenza viruses can and will exchange pieces of genetic material within a host among different strains, also, making it difficult to predict which will become more prevalent.
Some years they get it right.... and stop upwards of 90% of infections. This year, they missed a bit, and the vaccine is only about 60% effective, as a separate genetic mutation among the influenza strains has gained dominance. That's why you still got the flu..... because it likely wasn't the flu you were vaccinated against.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on November 29, 2020, 04:18:29 PM
Thanks for the clarity Moray
Do you think as Maverick that covid will not require yearly shots?
I have heard it both ways
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on November 29, 2020, 04:23:17 PM
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Scared on November 29, 2020, 04:42:39 PM
I have been a news junky on this covid thing the whole time. I have seen many reports of people catching the damned virus more than once. If that is true, and anti-bodies disappear that quickly, how in the heck is a vaccine going to work?
Will the vaccine be more effective at encouraging anti-bodies than the actual virus itself? I just don't get it.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: MORAY37 on November 29, 2020, 07:03:11 PM
Do you think as Maverick that covid will not require yearly shots?
I have heard it both ways
Eagler
Unfortunately, it isn't clear yet as to the potential efficacy of the three vaccines. Personally, I'd lean towards a slightly less optimistic view, but I'm a population ecologist, not a epidemiologist. I'd base that off of the prevalent latent distrust of any new vaccine by a substantial subset of the population of the United States, as well as the current national inability to follow simple epidemiological protocols given by people that know how to fight these things....
If enough people don't get vaccinated, and the immune memory peaks at say 6 or 8 months, we'll be right back where we are in a year. We just need to do things right, once, and my pessimism goes away. Unfortunately, as I said before, the cognitive dissonance is monumental, currently. The way we're going right now, we'll see a huge increase in mortality in the next few months, followed by 2021 vaccinations. The virus will be relegated to reservoirs in our population due to people's inherent stupidity, and bide its time. If that immune memory truly is 6-8 months as some reports seem to indicate, at the end of that time we'll see another climb in rates of infection and hospitalizations.
Although I did read that one of the vaccines may have an inherently longer memory window, if given in two doses... the first one very small, followed by a much larger second dose. (Think MMR shots...they get spread out through 3 separate introductions) Hopefully, we might see something like Tetanus.... where you can expect a prolonged immune response over a decade.... We'll know more when the actual long term clinical trials get finished. This initial wave of vaccines are a band-aid, mostly meant to give the health care system a reprieve.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: The Fugitive on November 29, 2020, 10:12:32 PM
Ya this whole thing blows me away.
How much information is truth, how much is fabricated by which ever side is looking for whatever, be it money, fame, or election results. the whole thing stinks.
I work for a company that is considered "essential" and have been working right along. On the one hand I have always been the honorable type of guy that follows the rules. I go to 10-12 different locations a day and run into anywhere from 20- 150 different people a day, every day of the week. I wear my mask, I wash my hands and use sanitizer every time I climb back into my truck, I practice "social distancing" as much as I can and have no problem walking away from people who get too close. On the other hand Im tired of not taking single day road trips to the beach with my wife, Im tired of not being able to take her out to eat once a week. Im tired of not being able to take a vacation where I get to go some place. I miss my sons, one who lives a town away, and the other that lives a few states away. Im tired of being the good boy and staying in my house other than going to work or getting necessities.
Now we have a vaccine on the horizon and Im stuck in the middle thinking is it real and it will help, or its bogus BS and nobody knows whether it will help or not. Too many people putting out BS information, and not enough people out there that we can trust any more.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: guncrasher on November 29, 2020, 10:27:06 PM
fugi, this year, i have visited many restaurants where I ate al fresco, was pretty cool, been to laughlin, nv had a great time. today I visited 2 different bars, had a few drinks, came home, was fun.
my life hasnt really changed this year. I am more careful than before, but it hasnt really stopped me. then again, I dont live where you do, so it could be different there.
I keep asking myself if I available should i get the vaccine, not sure, not because I am anti-vac, but more like I would really wait, however I could change my mind tomorrow.
semp
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: MORAY37 on November 29, 2020, 11:03:24 PM
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Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on November 30, 2020, 06:46:10 AM
As they state old folks and our medical front liners will receive it 1st - any unexpected side affects would be nasty
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: AKKuya on November 30, 2020, 09:24:47 AM
Let's get this vaccine rolling to the masses.
Ever since Covid-19 cancelled the Moroccan Ice Skating team series, my thoughts have been on those poor camels not being able to showcase their relay skills. I need to know my Lightning Laces will be able to take home the Oasis Challenge trophy next year. The stock market swings up and down by those camel ice skating rankings. :devil
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: JimmyD3 on November 30, 2020, 10:01:46 AM
As they state old folks and our medical front liners will receive it 1st - any unexpected side affects would be nasty
Eagler
I have several family members that are first responder's, and/or medical professionals, they have all stated a reluctance to take the vaccines. Recently read an article on the mortality rate of Covid19, depending on who you listen to, government 5 to 7%, the article stated 0.3%.
No wonder everybody is distrustful and confused. I'm pretty sure I was exposed back in April, will know soon enough. I have a physical coming up this week, I'll ask the blood work up include Covid19 check. Yes I wear a mask as mandated by our local "leadership", I wash my hands multiple times a day, we also check out temperature every morning.
Interesting side note, we have had 10 people exposed at our church. All are doing well so far, 4 have fully recovered, and so far no hospitalizations. Thank the Lord for that.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Shuffler on November 30, 2020, 11:58:34 AM
Just learned today that another acquaintance was feeling just fine but thought he would go get tested anyway. They told him he was negative but had already had it. Hard to tell when you have it and when you don't.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: fuzeman on November 30, 2020, 12:00:45 PM
I've been getting flu shots since they were covered. Before that can't remember many terrible bouts of the flu or any since I've been getting it. I do have a minor allergy to the old preservative or something like that in previous years batches and usually get mine at the Doctor just in case. Never had a reaction but the shingles one really made the shoulder sore this year.
For those who have reactions to vaccines and such, I wonder how much of that is vaccine related opposed to your own immune system.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on November 30, 2020, 12:51:00 PM
I heard they cannot tell for sure if you have had it before as the antibodies do not stick around for long - as short as 3 to 6 months
Also heard you can catch it again even if you already had it..
What to believe??
The fear in the talking heads on tv voices is enough to scare most..if you just watched that you would think 4 out of 10 die a horrible death from it
Sadly you cannot trust anyone as they all have agendas..both here and abroad
It did produce a record mail in ballot here and that seemed to go well lol
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: RotBaron on November 30, 2020, 01:48:01 PM
I have seen many reports of people catching the damned virus more than once. If that is true, and anti-bodies disappear that quickly, how in the heck is a vaccine going to work?
Will the vaccine be more effective at encouraging anti-bodies than the actual virus itself? I just don't get it.
Exactly! If the antibodies from real exposure disappear from it in 3 months, how is vaccinated synthetic exposure going to any better job?? :headscratch:
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: MORAY37 on November 30, 2020, 02:23:39 PM
Exactly! If the antibodies from real exposure disappear from it in 3 months, how is vaccinated synthetic exposure going to any better job?? :headscratch:
Antibodies are not the only things that work in your immune system to confer said immunity. In fact, they don't show up until there is already an infection, as they are energy intensive to produce and degrade over time. It is a very complicated dance. Antibodies never stick around long in your body... they get flushed out quite quickly following an infection.
Helper T cells are much more important. Helper T cells basically are the sentinels that activate the stored immune response (from prior exposure, natural or immunized) and send out the signal to start producing antibodies (if that type is stored in your immune memory). Basically, T Helper cells move around your body, programmed to look for a specific infection by querying cells it runs into. (Think "Driver's License, Please.")
Once it finds a strange response ("Officer, I left it in my other jacket...), it actually has kind of an IFF built-in, where it makes sure that what it sees isn't one of our own cells (This is why many types of cancers persist; they return the proper IFF code when queried). These are what maintain your immune system memory, not antibodies. Helper T cells communicate to another set of cells what antibody to make as well as antigens for whatever specific infection it has found, and also activate the killer T cell system.
In short, they're the watchdogs that have all the memory of your past infections, and control most of your response.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: RotBaron on November 30, 2020, 04:02:15 PM
Moray:
Ok it’s been awhile since I did my 12 credits of microbiology...
But iirc there are antibodies that can remain for a much more significant amount of time than say 3-6 months. However, if a virus mutates then those antibodies wouldn’t raise an immune response.
We know CCPVirus19 has mutated, but how many times and strains there are we don’t know.
On the subject of the vaccine, since I’m a RN I’m sure at some point I’ll be required to have it. Right now I’m not sure I want to be first in line to get it though... :uhoh
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: MORAY37 on December 01, 2020, 02:17:04 AM
Ok it’s been awhile since I did my 12 credits of microbiology...
But iirc there are antibodies that can remain for a much more significant amount of time than say 3-6 months. However, if a virus mutates then those antibodies wouldn’t raise an immune response.
We know CCPVirus19 has mutated, but how many times and strains there are we don’t know.
On the subject of the vaccine, since I’m a RN I’m sure at some point I’ll be required to have it. Right now I’m not sure I want to be first in line to get it though... :uhoh
Antibodies can certainly remain around a lot longer, but it depends upon how fast they degrade....all proteins do, after all. It's just a matter of time. It's better to recycle them than to have a redundant system that may not actually work because part of the protein has denatured. T Helper cells will cue B cells to make more of whatever antibody or antigen is needed if/when another infection presents.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 01, 2020, 05:51:26 AM
Moray
All that said, if they roll up to you the 1st week it is out and say let me stick this in your arm - would you let them?
What happens if you say no thank you?
How will anyone know if you get it or not?
I think the most interesting times are still ahead.
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: NatCigg on December 01, 2020, 06:15:15 AM
Sadly I think the companies and their investors are more concerned about being 1st and the $$$$$ it would mean
I believe I heard that they have gov disclaimers preventing any legal action if the vaccine has issues
I dont see a tatoo or the mark of the beast but I do see a card or some gov health phone app that would confirm your vaccination status.
Eagler
The two RNA vaccines have never tried in humans. If it works it could revolutionize our existence on this planet, allowing for a whole new future with vaccines. The others that we have not got phase 3 results are of the traditional type, similar to those we have used for the past 50 years. The likelyhood of safety is very high with these. The RNA vaccine does not have that long track to back it up. Just because it is unknown does not mean bad.
The race for first has multiple motives, of course those employed want to advance their job, of course the company wants to succeed. This is where the science, community,and regulators come in.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 01, 2020, 09:39:21 AM
Here is an example of a gov disclaimer preventing any legal action against these vaccine companies if side effects are worse than expected
I see a heck of a black market for these if the world becomes as restricted as I think it will
Eagler
They use to call people crazy conspiracy theorist for years for suggesting something like this was going to happen. Now it's here. Now it's being promoted.
"You better show your papers or you cant pass"
Where have we heard that before?
Hmmmm
Conspiracy no more.
This is screaming for a war.
Companies will lose billions and millions pushing this crap.
I dont think its going to work out like the elite cochroaches have planned.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 08, 2020, 01:41:05 PM
They won't force you to get it - not yet - but they will control what you can do and what you can't depending on if you got it or not
By then masks will not matter as what many believe now will be sold as truth then - the mask does not do enough (or anything depending on who you ask)
Be prepared to be very restricted if sleepy creepy corrupt joe pulls off this fraud and is allowed to continue the paranoia
With the card will be one existance without it another
My cardiologist stated he is no hurry to get it..what does that tell you?
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: RotBaron on December 08, 2020, 01:47:03 PM
Besides the issues of wanting it or not wanting is the another of (assuming it works great) what if you’ve already had it and don’t know...
If it’s a miracle that works then people who have active antibodies don’t need the vaccine, so should everyone be tested for antibodies as to not waste the vaccine?
There’s also been huge discrepancies in “testing.” Ex: one of my best friend’s sons went to Dodger Stadium “wellness testing” which included Covid testing. They went, checked in and then decided they weren’t going to wait 4 hours and they left. About a week later both sons received letters saying they were positive for the virus!
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: 100Coogn on December 08, 2020, 04:03:22 PM
You Guinea pigs can enjoy your vaccine. Without knowing anything about the long term effects of this 'warp speed drug', I'll pass. Once you're all cured, I should be safe anyways.
Coogan
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Shuffler on December 08, 2020, 04:06:28 PM
Besides the issues of wanting it or not wanting is the another of (assuming it works great) what if you’ve already had it and don’t know...
If it’s a miracle that works then people who have active antibodies don’t need the vaccine, so should everyone be tested for antibodies as to not waste the vaccine?
There’s also been huge discrepancies in “testing.” Ex: one of my best friend’s sons went to Dodger Stadium “wellness testing” which included Covid testing. They went, checked in and then decided they weren’t going to wait 4 hours and they left. About a week later both sons received letters saying they were positive for the virus!
Elon Musk had 4 tests the same day by the same nurse. Two were positive and two were negative.
If this is so out there contagious and we have to wear mask.... why do they have to stick a swab so far up your nose and try to scratch your brain? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: RotBaron on December 08, 2020, 05:55:08 PM
I’m on the fence and don’t know what to think concerning what it can do to anybody. I have seen patients with several comorbities have nothing to a mild cold to the worst possible outcome. I have seen young healthy friends get very sick for weeks and seen their parents have mild to no symptoms.
It’s very erratic. Dare I say more erratic than any virus we’ve ever seen...idk But it’s why I still have suspicions it engineered and escaped before being perfected.
Yah call me crazy...I don’t put anything past them though
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: guncrasher on December 08, 2020, 05:58:23 PM
They use to call people crazy conspiracy theorist for years for suggesting something like this was going to happen. Now it's here. Now it's being promoted.
"You better show your papers or you cant pass"
Where have we heard that before?
Hmmmm
Conspiracy no more.
This is screaming for a war.
Companies will lose billions and millions pushing this crap.
I dont think its going to work out like the elite cochroaches have planned.
funny i had a card like that that showed all my vaccinations. and that was in the 80s. as far as i know every body that was in school had one.
so tell me again what is it supposed to do now that is different from back then?
semp
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Shuffler on December 08, 2020, 09:56:07 PM
That was for school.... this is for freedom, or lack there of.
we have id, driver licenses, passports, social security numbers any of which can be and are used to track a lot stuff from us.
but in England there planning to hand out cards to those who take the vaccine to remind them to take the second dose.
but sure what happens in England affects our freedom or lack of it. maybe we should start a war and tell England we aren't following their laws anymore.
semp
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 08, 2020, 10:24:13 PM
That was for school.... this is for freedom, or lack there of.
Some might say not having to have an iron lung to breathe is 'freedom.' A freedom that many of my mother's peers wished they had. Freedom to not spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair from the age of ten would have been nice for her. And, of course, many polio victims just outright died. Death, the ultimate freedom. Though death is an inevitability of life, I don't much care for death cult thinking.
It is a waste of time when it comes for those of the ME, ME, ME and only ME mentality Arlo.
It had not one thing to do with what arlo posted... not even close.
Yet for you it is always you, you ,you and forget about everyone else. Regardless of how you feel everyone else should do your bidding for you, how about taking care of yourself and your family and quit trying to tell everyone else how we should be responsible for your family.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 09, 2020, 03:09:05 AM
In a pandemic everyone should be responsible for each other's family as well as their own. It's the exact same mentality as speed limits, gun safety, and burning restrictions. To pretend that our responsibilities all end at our front doors and we can do whatever we want to around strangers is actually irresponsibility.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: NatCigg on December 09, 2020, 04:32:17 AM
Maybe? I see the amazon guy in the neighborhood every day. I go to the store and it is like yesterday. I go to the doctor and they scan my forehead and ask some questions. We all know if I was infectious those protocols are likely to be ineffective. I wear a mask that pushes jets of unfiltered air from every possible angle possible. At Burger King the lady uses the same pair of dirty gloves car after car. Same at the covid test drive through. They call you with positive results and tell you to sit at home. No doctors appointment, no treatment center, nothing. It seems to me we have protected our comfort zone, and are doing the best we want.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 09, 2020, 06:22:25 AM
If you think they will not try to control access to things now restricted with vaccine documentation you are just fooling yourselves.
This is not like any other vaccine before in our lifetime as this virus is not like any other...or that is what you are supposed to believe.
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 09, 2020, 10:51:48 AM
Here's a video of 10 doctors from around the world coming out saying they are not confident in these vaccines.
Remove the hyphen before chute https://www.bit-chute.com/video/y7X9xkankSVh/
The question is, which doctors do you trust? The ones funded by the UN global health institutions, or the people risking their careers and life coming out to show their concerns?
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 09, 2020, 11:03:15 AM
Bit-chute ('remove the hyphen') is a video hosting service known for accommodating far-right individuals and conspiracy theorists, and for hosting hateful material.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/bit-chute ('remove the hyphen')*
Respectfully request you stop sharing that here. Thank you in advance. :) :salute :old:
*Must be a reason 'bit-chute' is considered a dirty word on the internet.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: TheBug on December 09, 2020, 11:04:31 AM
Well at least one isn't worried about risking his career.
Here's a video of 10 doctors from around the world coming out saying they are not confident in these vaccines.
Remove the hyphen before chute https://www.bit-chute.com/video/y7X9xkankSVh/
The question is, which doctors do you trust? The ones funded by the UN global health institutions, or the people risking their careers and life coming out to show their concerns?
I like to listen to what they say. Very interesting to hear their choice of words when executing tier four of the NWO Stategic Social Development Program.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 09, 2020, 11:28:20 AM
Bit-chute ('remove the hyphen') is a video hosting service known for accommodating far-right individuals and conspiracy theorists, and for hosting hateful material.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/bit-chute ('remove the hyphen')*
Respectfully request you stop sharing that here. Thank you in advance. :) :salute :old:
*Must be a reason 'bit-chute' is considered a dirty word on the internet.
Discredit the hosting source? Lmfao.
Clown tactic by a propagandist. Cant actually challenge the doctors or refute their knowledge, ehh? Must attack the hosting source for allowing free speech, an American constitutional amendment, to prosper and share knowledge. You must be a getting paid off by China.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Mister Fork on December 09, 2020, 11:31:29 AM
As ex-military, before deployment I was often injected with medications that were not anti-virus specific such as 'immune boosters.' During the gulf war I was given several 'experimental vaccines' to counter the chemical/biological warfare attacks from Saddam. He was ordered to stop the chemical attacks or be 'nuked' - that message was clearly sent to him.
Yes, he (Saddam) did fire them at us. Yes and the military attempted to counter by vaccinating the troops (us). It was not done out of malice but a necessity.
Is the COVID-19 vaccine safe? Probably. We're basically rushing out a treatment program 5-6 TIMES faster than normal approval processes. Did they have time to test it properly like all other disease treatments? Nope. Is this being rushed?
Yep. Do we have a choice?
No. We don't because the short-term consequences outweigh the possible long-term side-effects. Similar to how I was vaccinated in 1991.
"People do what is most necessary to them at any given moment."
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 09, 2020, 11:39:48 AM
Clown tactic by a propagandist. Cant actually challenge the doctors or refute their knowledge, ehh? Must attack the hosting source for allowing free speech, a pro American constitutional amendment, to prosper and share knowledge. You must be a getting paid off by China.
*ShruG* I asked nicely. I can't make you do anything more responsible or mature. I merely looked it up and found out what multiple sources said about it.
*ShruG* I asked nicely. I can't make you do anything more responsible or mature. I merely looked it up and found out what multiple sources said about it.
*ShruG* I asked nicely. I can't make you do anything more responsible or mature. I merely looked it up and found out what multiple sources said about it.
See, I can do the same BS to you to prevent a real argument from happening.
My sources aren't known as hosts for banned hateful and racist material. That right there seems to challenge false equivalency.
Having said that, promoting bi***ute on the Aces High forum while you know it is considered to potentially promote inciting and dangerous content by multiple other hosts that aren't driven by radical politics reflects a lack of respect for the AHBB, itself. I suspect HT doesn't want this forum to become a covert avenue for this type of thing. And yes, it's still bringing politics here.
Now, if you insist on having a hissy over my respectful request, I've never been able to stop you before. It was a request, not a demand. Carry on, kid. :)
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: guncrasher on December 09, 2020, 12:08:41 PM
Clown tactic by a propagandist. Cant actually challenge the doctors or refute their knowledge, ehh? Must attack the hosting source for allowing free speech, an American constitutional amendment, to prosper and share knowledge. You must be a getting paid off by China.
they also host isis, so you must get paid by isis.
semp
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 09, 2020, 12:08:52 PM
My sources aren't known as hosts for banned hateful and racist material. That right there seems to challenge false equivalency.
Having said that, promoting bi***ute on the Aces High forum while you know it is considered to potentially promote inciting and dangerous content by multiple other hosts that aren't driven by radical politics reflects a lack of respect for the AHBB, itself. I suspect HT doesn't want this forum to become a covert avenue for this type of thing. And yes, it's still bringing politics here.
Now, if you insist on having a hissy over my respectful request, I've never been able to stop you before. It was a request, not a demand. Carry on, kid. :)
Sounds like someone is scared that his agenda is being exposed.
Proof that my post is the truth.
Please watch this everyone so you can see from doctors all around the world that we don't have enough information on these vaccines. Arlo is trying to cover up the truth by projecting his leftist ideology and media tactics to discredit truth.
The channel posted is not left or right wing, and is 100% in line with the discussion posted by the OP.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 09, 2020, 12:15:34 PM
Sounds like someone is scared that his agenda is being exposed.
Proof that my post is the truth.
Please watch this everyone so you can see from doctors all around the world that we don't have enough information on these vaccines. Arlo is trying to cover up the truth by projecting his leftist ideology and media tactics to discredit truth.
The channel posted is not left or right wing, and is 100% in line with the discussion posted by the OP.
Huh. Seems you're kinda getting very wound up about my request what with your need to project how 'evil' I am for making a rather mild and reasonable request. You'd think that maybe just a 'no, thanks' would suffice if you really thought your need to share that source here was reasonable. When it comes down to it, this is a decision for Dale to consider. Does bi***ute being promoted in his game community benefit it or threaten it.
A little reflection before action may be warranted.
Take care, kid. :)
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: guncrasher on December 09, 2020, 12:23:56 PM
Sounds like someone is scared that his agenda is being exposed.
Proof that my post is the truth.
Please watch this everyone so you can see from doctors all around the world that we don't have enough information on these vaccines. Arlo is trying to cover up the truth by projecting his leftist ideology and media tactics to discredit truth.
The channel posted is not left or right wing, and is 100% in line with the discussion posted by the OP.
think logically, doctors don't have access to the vaccine, his can they determine if it's good or bad.
semp
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: TheBug on December 09, 2020, 12:25:35 PM
Sounds like someone is scared that his agenda is being exposed.
Proof that my post is the truth.
Please watch this everyone so you can see from doctors all around the world that we don't have enough information on these vaccines. Arlo is trying to cover up the truth by projecting his leftist ideology and media tactics to discredit truth.
The channel posted is not left or right wing, and is 100% in line with the discussion posted by the OP.
You honestly think this guy from your video knows what he is talking about? Honestly?
Huh. Seems you're kinda getting very wound up about my request what with your need to project how 'evil' I am for making a rather mild and reasonable request. You'd think that maybe just a 'no, thanks' would suffice if you really thought your need to share that source here was reasonable. When it comes down to it, this is a decision for Dale to consider. Does bi***ute being promoted in his game community benefit it or threaten it.
A little reflection before action may be warranted.
Take care, kid. :)
Reasonable? You sound like a person who is scared that a free speech platform, which can be easily hijacked by people to make it appear racist and hateful, in order to push an agenda to discredit the hosting site, is challenging your global agenda to fraud the United States and its citizens.
What Arlo is attempting to do is use information warfare to discredit me, rather than discredit the doctors or prove them wrong, which have come forward to bravely voice their concerns. He is attacking the hosting site rather than the content, which is a fallacy in his argument.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: CptTrips on December 09, 2020, 12:41:32 PM
Reasonable? You sound like a person who is scared that a free speech platform, which can be easily hijacked by people to make it appear racist and hateful, in order to push an agenda to discredit the hosting site, is challenging your global agenda to fraud the United States and its citizens.
What Arlo is attempting to do is use information warfare to discredit me, rather than discredit the doctors or prove them wrong, which have come forward to bravely voice their concerns. He is attacking the hosting site rather than the content, which is a fallacy in his argument.
He sounds like a well educated person unlike those that are so easily seduced.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 09, 2020, 12:58:43 PM
What Arlo is attempting to do is use information warfare to discredit me, rather than discredit the doctors or prove them wrong, which have come forward to bravely voice their concerns. He is attacking the hosting site rather than the content, which is a fallacy in his argument.
While you're explaining that to everyone here try explaining why Bi***ute qualified for the word filter on this forum and how I don't control that.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: RotBaron on December 09, 2020, 02:47:51 PM
Bit-chute ('remove the hyphen') is a video hosting service known for accommodating far-right individuals and conspiracy theorists, and for hosting hateful material.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/bit-chute ('remove the hyphen')*
Wikipedia is well known to promote far-left views and theories. Users can create/edit and falsify material there...
I remember college profs saying Wikipedia is not credible and therefore not acceptable to use in papers and research. Most of those profs were not moderate at all.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 09, 2020, 03:01:48 PM
Wikipedia is well known to promote far-left views and theories. Users can create/edit and falsify material there...
I remember college profs saying Wikipedia is not credible and therefore not acceptable to use in papers and research. Most of those profs were not moderate at all.
Well, certainly not writing a paper here and the campus I attend isn't known for being liberal. AAMOF, research involving wiki can't be cited as such but wiki pages that have further verifiable sources to follow can, according to most of my profs (all younger than me). That once again leaves .... why is bi***ute a word that requires circumventing the word filter on this forum? But if you're into that thing *ShruG*. You could PM DS and probably get all kinds of 'not conspiracy' sources. ;)
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: TheBug on December 09, 2020, 03:04:00 PM
Thank you, sir, and the older I get, the more my breath seems wasted, but one never knows if someone in the peanut gallery might benefit. :) :salute
I totally agree with this statement and with the goal of trying to understand how Cults capture human minds, I thought you might find this interesting....especially items 7 and 9.
I totally agree with this statement and with the goal of trying to understand how Cults capture human minds, I thought you might find this interesting....especially items 7 and 9.
The greatest cult ever acheived is called Communism, written by Carl Marx, using psychological and physical subversion to take over and plunder prospering societies by brainwashing children against their parents and shunning norms of the current traditional society. Go-ahead and ask Russia and China and Venezuela about that. Now you see the same thing happening on a large scale thru a globalist takeover using communist tactics in many western nations. Why do you support such a cult?
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 09, 2020, 06:05:04 PM
I totally agree with this statement and with the goal of trying to understand how Cults capture human minds, I thought you might find this interesting....especially items 7 and 9.
Well, seven is sadly evident. So much so that the most radical of those in a cult-like group will invent an enemy (straw-man) when no evidence backs up their claim (usually because they were told - and eventually believe - that anyone not like them or anyone that challenges their claims/beliefs are - fill in the blank with some usually ridiculous claims painting their worst vision of a boogeyman).
Funny thing is, I could likely easily mollify a cultist by just playing along with their pretenses and beliefs, but I'm an honest and forthright soul. I also don't want to be responsible, partly or otherwise, for the growth of the tumor the cult like behavior is on the rest of society. The danger they present to themselves is just as bad if not worse than it is to others, which the cultist refuses to believe or acknowledge. And the calmer you are with them the more irate they get.
So, yes, it's kind of a waste of time to calmly reason with them. But when they go 'coo coo for coco puffs' in public it might, just maybe, turn off those who aren't otherwise paying attention or are sitting precariously on the fence. (Or reveal who else drinks the Kool-Aid).
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: BoilerDown on December 09, 2020, 06:49:24 PM
Well, seven is sadly evident. So much so that the most radical of those in a cult-like group will invent an enemy (straw-man) when no evidence backs up their claim (usually because they were told - and eventually believe - that anyone not like them or anyone that challenges their claims/beliefs are - fill in the blank with some usually ridiculous claims painting their worst vision of a boogeyman).
Funny thing is, I could likely easily mollify a cultist by just playing along with their pretenses and beliefs, but I'm an honest and forthright soul. I also don't want to be responsible, partly or otherwise, for the growth of the tumor the cult like behavior is on the rest of society. The danger they present to themselves is just as bad if not worse than it is to others, which the cultist refuses to believe or acknowledge. And the calmer you are with them the more irate they get.
So, yes, it's kind of a waste of time to calmly reason with them. But when they go 'coo coo for coco puffs' in public it might, just maybe, turn off those who aren't otherwise paying attention or are sitting precariously on the fence. (Or reveal who else drinks the Kool-Aid).
It's more like you are wasting your time trying to define the person you do not like. From the moment you started you were wrong. Better to let them be them. Not many are on the fence about joining a cult. Look at the guy preaching jesus on the corner. We dont make active war plans for the rapture even though it's been foretold for a long time. And who are you to tell them they are wrong? Do you really know what's going on?
:x :salute :airplane:
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 10, 2020, 06:32:16 AM
How many political posts you up to in just this thread now?
Just stating a well known fact
It is irresponsible to rush this thing in the name of public safety given testing is historically the shortest and the distribution the largest and fastest...IMO
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: MiloMorai on December 10, 2020, 06:49:55 AM
It is irresponsible to rush this thing in the name of public safety given testing is historically the shortest and the distribution the largest and fastest...IMO
Eagler
Did someone forget that it wasn't sleepy but snake oil that rushed the vaccine?
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 10, 2020, 08:03:21 AM
He wont be the one sticking us...maybe depending on the courts
But SCC joe is the one running around now stating he will save us all from something that affects hardly anyone seriously.
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: MiloMorai on December 10, 2020, 09:05:26 AM
"save us all from something that affects hardly anyone seriously."
Eagler
Anyone else find this statement somewhat odd? Even discounting Media reports, when every reputable health, medical, and educational institution is counting deaths as if there is a new 9/11 everyday?
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 10, 2020, 10:16:17 AM
Anyone else find this statement somewhat odd? Even discounting Media reports, when every reputable health, medical, and educational institution is counting deaths as if there is a new 9/11 everyday?
Well some people think the percentages are just fine as long as they aren't part of the dead or dying part. Perfectly acceptable in that regard.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 10, 2020, 11:07:57 AM
Well some people think the percentages are just fine as long as they aren't part of the dead or dying part. Perfectly acceptable in that regard.
Never said that but continue to speak for me lol
>98% affected are fine but run and be first in line for your shot like a good stooge
I am high risk with two stents
But I am also 5' 9" 170lbs and exercise most days
I did not get sick before this virus and don't plan to start now.
I am careful where I go and what I do, I dont need some agenda driven screaming head on tv to tell me to be overly paraniod.
Given social media punks are now blocking what they don't agree with and the fact the media has ignore treasonous activity from the very top and their family members, I don't trust them like they/you think I should.
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 10, 2020, 11:22:57 AM
I dont need some agenda driven screaming head on tv to tell me to be overly paraniod.
Of course not. You do fine, as is. :aok
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 10, 2020, 11:26:09 AM
Too bad we don't count every single abortion death every day. Every cancer death every day. Every heart attack death every day, every car crash death every day. Every gun death every day.
Lets just count all deaths every day!
If we try really really really really hard, and keep everyone locked in their house.
We will make sure no dies ever again! Brilliant!
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 10, 2020, 11:28:25 AM
Actually, statistics are tabulated for all of that. Adjust your meds, please. :old:
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 10, 2020, 11:49:09 AM
>98% affected are fine but run and be first in line for your shot like a good stooge
I am high risk with two stents
But I am also 5' 9" 170lbs and exercise most days
I did not get sick before this virus and don't plan to start now.
I am careful where I go and what I do, I dont need some agenda driven screaming head on tv to tell me to be overly paraniod.
Given social media punks are now blocking what they don't agree with and the fact the media has ignore treasonous activity from the very top and their family members, I don't trust them like they/you think I should.
Eagler
my best friend's brother died 2 days ago of covid. he was like you healthy as hell and exercised regularly.
semp
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 10, 2020, 12:09:12 PM
You're fixated on fictional 'agendas.' Send yours this way.
Dr. Judy Mikovits and Dr. Paul Cottrell from Harvard talk about it all. 3 hrs full of scientific information by two scientists. Judy worked with Fauci and has a lot of information about his record and about the vaccine agenda.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 10, 2020, 12:10:30 PM
DS, I understand how when you run across something that gives you the adrenaline rush you desire in your world of paranoid conspiracy driven thought process that you don't want to see anything related that challenges it but maybe your 'research' is a little stilted. ;)
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: MiloMorai on December 10, 2020, 12:41:25 PM
DS, I understand how when you run across something that gives you the adrenaline rush you desire in your world of paranoid conspiracy driven thought process that you don't want to see anything related that challenges it but maybe your 'research' is a little stilted. ;)
Boy i love watching yall attempt to discredit a woman scientist.
Sorry. I'll take her word for it over a bunch of globalist scheme fraudsters trying to take over the world.
Again, Paul Cottrell is also a phd scientist from Harvard.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 10, 2020, 12:56:51 PM
so you are against a globalist agenda and post about a globalist agenda?
semp
Seems there are those who see nothing but evil out there. Tons of warnings about dangers but damn little in the way of a solution. I can't really imagine how difficult day to day life must be with all that danger looming about... at least a deadly virus apparently doesn't add to the pressure :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 10, 2020, 05:46:35 PM
Seems there are those who see nothing but evil out there. Tons of warnings about dangers but damn little in the way of a solution. I can't really imagine how difficult day to day life must be with all that danger looming about... at least a deadly virus apparently doesn't add to the pressure :rolleyes:
I blame:
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 10, 2020, 06:23:44 PM
Seems there are those who see nothing but evil out there. Tons of warnings about dangers but damn little in the way of a solution. I can't really imagine how difficult day to day life must be with all that danger looming about... at least a deadly virus apparently doesn't add to the pressure :rolleyes:
Ah yes evil, you know like hunting down those conservative proud Americans who are actually really nazi white supremacist fascist according to the media because of all that global warming they are causing which will destroy the world in 10 years. They actually made a movie about it called "The Hunt" no worries though, its just a "movie."
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: 100Coogn on December 10, 2020, 06:38:07 PM
Ah yes evil, you know like hunting down those conservative proud Americans who are actually really nazi white supremacist fascist according to the media because of all that global warming they are causing which will destroy the world in 10 years. They actually made a movie about it called "The Hunt" no worries though, its just a "movie."
The world was not coming to an end in that movie. That crazy woman just kidnapped a bunch of folks that she didn't like, for one reason or another.
Coogan
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Busher on December 10, 2020, 07:15:51 PM
Ah yes evil, you know like hunting down those conservative proud Americans who are actually really nazi white supremacist fascist according to the media because of all that global warming they are causing which will destroy the world in 10 years. They actually made a movie about it called "The Hunt" no worries though, its just a "movie."
I guess I will just have to wait to see or hear the solution to this horrible quandary.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: guncrasher on December 10, 2020, 07:39:39 PM
Ah yes evil, you know like hunting down those conservative proud Americans who are actually really nazi white supremacist fascist according to the media because of all that global warming they are causing which will destroy the world in 10 years. They actually made a movie about it called "The Hunt" no worries though, its just a "movie."
did you read what the Arizona gop posted on Twitter?
semp
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 10, 2020, 08:14:08 PM
I guess I will just have to wait to see or hear the solution to this horrible quandary.
Why is the main stream media allowed to call and label conservative Americans terms that inspire their base to hate conservatives? Why would I not consider these media institutions evil for labeling a base of traditional people Nazis and "white supremacist", when the majority of those peoples families fought the Nazis and "white supremacist", along with many of them being immigrants themselves?
Am I not suppose to believe these media mega corps are pushing a war like agenda against Americans to stir up hatred and violence and destroy America's traditions? Gee what a crazy "conspiracy theory" right Busher?
Am I not supposed to believe these people are evil for pushing this?
At least we have something Questioning and exposing them. I bet they have a plan too ;)
did you read what the Arizona gop posted on Twitter?
semp
Let me guess! Um, yeah, today on Twitter gop posted..."We are happy to inform you that Aces High II has been verified as compatible with most covid-19 vaccines and social distancing will only be limited by network lag."
Finally some good news! But I still dont understand why they they limit us at all. Oh that's right, Hitech has to hide the flaws in his code that let him and his favorite "squads" maintain complete yet subtle control of the game.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Busher on December 10, 2020, 09:44:17 PM
Why is the main stream media allowed to call and label conservative Americans terms that inspire their base to hate conservatives? Why would I not consider these media institutions evil for labeling a base of traditional people Nazis and "white supremacist", when the majority of those peoples families fought the Nazis and "white supremacist", along with many of them being immigrants themselves?
Am I not suppose to believe these media mega corps are pushing a war like agenda against Americans to stir up hatred and violence and destroy America's traditions? Gee what a crazy "conspiracy theory" right Busher?
Am I not supposed to believe these people are evil for pushing this?
At least we have something Questioning and exposing them. I bet they have a plan too ;)
Are they going to make us Semp?
All I am hearing is that you see some sort of organized group that exists "out there" that is planning to tear down what you perceive to be "America". I also hear you saying that a "conservative" America is the only valid America. I assume that must mean that anyone with liberal or even progressive ideas is wrong or un-American. I am still waiting to hear any ideas you have to achieve the solution you seek and how you will go about that without subordinating the rights of fellow Americans.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: guncrasher on December 10, 2020, 10:19:31 PM
Why is the main stream media allowed to call and label conservative Americans terms that inspire their base to hate conservatives? Why would I not consider these media institutions evil for labeling a base of traditional people Nazis and "white supremacist", when the majority of those peoples families fought the Nazis and "white supremacist", along with many of them being immigrants themselves?
Am I not suppose to believe these media mega corps are pushing a war like agenda against Americans to stir up hatred and violence and destroy America's traditions? Gee what a crazy "conspiracy theory" right Busher?
Am I not supposed to believe these people are evil for pushing this?
At least we have something Questioning and exposing them. I bet they have a plan too ;)
Are they going to make us Semp?
when you have conservative members of congress calling for somebody to be shot at dawn because he disagrees or a gop calling for members to die for the cause. when you have people with guns trying to intimidate those who believe they follow the law, and those who follow the law are being sent emails about hanging or be shot by firing squad and those emails are being sent by conservatives.
take the moral high ground and only call the left. me I believe anybody who sends threatening email or calls for somebody to be shot, be right left middle or left, they should all be sent to jail.
you call me a globalist and to be honest I dont even know wht that means, I am neither right left or middle, i like facts, true facts not those called by somebody who believes in reptilian satanic forces.
you call yourself a patriot, then be one, step back and look at all those theories that you said would come true but havent and will never be. not the 300 death by covid that didnt happen, the 93k secret indictments that never happened, or even q that believes in reptilians blood sucking vampires.
semp
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Shuffler on December 10, 2020, 10:23:09 PM
I guess HT is ok with all the political post now.
When this gets out folks will be coming here from other boards.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: RotBaron on December 10, 2020, 10:35:53 PM
when you have conservative members of congress calling for somebody to be shot at dawn because he disagrees or a gop calling for members to die for the cause. when you have people with guns trying to intimidate those who believe they follow the law, and those who follow the law are being sent emails about hanging or be shot by firing squad and those emails are being sent by conservatives.
Where does Cynthia Johnson fall on this ‘shot at dawn?’
Bit-chute ('remove the hyphen') is a video hosting service known for accommodating far-right individuals and conspiracy theorists, and for hosting hateful material.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/bit-chute ('remove the hyphen')*
Respectfully request you stop sharing that here. Thank you in advance. :) :salute :old:
*Must be a reason 'bit-chute' is considered a dirty word on the internet.
Bit chute host things without censorship -- or at least with drastically less censorship than mainstream tech, which is working hard to decide for you what you should and shouldn't see.
Less censorship means some stuff you don't like, no matter who you are.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 10, 2020, 11:25:14 PM
Bit chute host things without censorship -- or at least with drastically less censorship than mainstream tech, which is working hard to decide for you what you should and shouldn't see.
Less censorship means some stuff you don't like, no matter who you are.
Thanks Brooke, but I realize it's pretty much pointless to argue with these people anymore. These guys are using some serious tactics. Saying I said things I didn't say, avoiding my points and attacking my character. Acting oblivious to schemes being promoted by their leadership. Then mocking me and attempting to instantly discredit anything that is deemed "right wing" in their book. It simply isn't good sportsmanship. A big reason why I can't stand their ideology. It's not about sharing ideas. It's about their way or the highway.
I have a good friend who is the same exact way when we debate politics. We debate a lot. Its really gross how they just write everything you say off as "conspiracy theory". Then call you a fascist or racist. Then completely act oblivious to their sides agenda. While attacking everything your side has done and giving 0 credit for anything at all.
I think I've had about enough of this discussion for now.
It really truly pains me to see so many families losing all of their savings because of this BS. That's why I go all out to say enough is enough.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: NatCigg on December 10, 2020, 11:48:22 PM
Bit chute host things without censorship -- or at least with drastically less censorship than mainstream tech, which is working hard to decide for you what you should and shouldn't see.
Less censorship means some stuff you don't like, no matter who you are.
The censorship of covid material is awful. Only government agencies can say a drug works. That is their position. Beyond outright wrong, this behavior retards knowledge and creates a climate of fear and underground behavior. Imo it is lack of respect for other people, all people, that is the root problem. Pretty simple, you be u I be me, we all live on earth with respect and Ah Ness T. :x :banana: :salute
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 10, 2020, 11:59:39 PM
Bit chute host things without censorship -- or at least with drastically less censorship than mainstream tech, which is working hard to decide for you what you should and shouldn't see.
Less censorship means some stuff you don't like, no matter who you are.
Bit chute qualified for the word filter. Nobody seems to have an answer for that.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Brooke on December 11, 2020, 01:22:15 AM
Well, seems either HT or the bulletin board system he uses is good with it. Circumventing it is somewhat breaking the rules. Guess some things can be censored (and rightly so, given the policy of us not really being allowed to discuss politics here). Porn might not be allowed, either. Swastika stuff might be frowned on. Not sure how we're gonna survive the travesties, Brooke.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Brooke on December 11, 2020, 01:38:58 AM
Well, seems either HT or the bulletin board system he uses is good with it. Circumventing it is somewhat breaking the rules. Guess some things can be censored (and rightly so, given the policy of us not really being allowed to discuss politics here). Porn might not be allowed, either. Swastika stuff might be frowned on. Not sure how we're gonna survive the travesties, Brooke.
I should have been more clear on how I said it.
If you have a site that will host anything, it will have stuff on it that folks find objectionable as well.
Companies with message boards, just wanting to reduce the amount of arguing among the users of its message board, commonly just disallow the whole thing out of expediency.
It isn't at all mysterious, and it doesn't mean that everything on Bit Chute is bad.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Brooke on December 11, 2020, 02:34:25 AM
Regarding Ivermectin and Covid:
"I want to talk about that we have a solution to this crisis. There is a drug that is proving to be of miraculous impact. And when I say 'miracle,' I do not use that term lightly. And I don't want to be sensationalized when I say that. That is a scientific recommendation based on mountains of data that has emerged in the last three months."
-- Dr. Pierre Kory, founding member of Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance, currently in the ICU service at Aurora St. Luke's Medical Center, and former Associate Professor and Chief of Critical Care Service and Medical Director of the Trauma and Life Support Center at the University of Wisconsin.
From his testimony to Congress on Dec. 8, 2020:
https://youtu.be/Tq8SXOBy-4w?t=247
Summary of current data and references to the various studies:
It will be required for anything they then say it is required for
And, again, requiring up to date vaccinations for various things such as travel or using public convenience is nothing new. Nor is it overwhelmingly oppressive. If you're scared of getting a shot then don't get it. It's not like you really wanted to travel, stay in certain hotels or see specific sporting events in person. My sympathy and sensibility, regarding, remains intact.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 11, 2020, 08:45:05 AM
If you have a site that will host anything, it will have stuff on it that folks find objectionable as well. ....
It isn't at all mysterious, and it doesn't mean that everything on Bit Chute is bad.
If you have a site that will allow racist, misinformed or divisive material while other sites ban such then that site will become a collection storehouse for all of that. Anything that might exist on it that doesn't involve such will be a mere happenstance that some may want to use as example to 'prove' the site is pure and wholesome. As it is - this site's name made the word filter here.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 11, 2020, 09:24:25 AM
And, again, requiring up to date vaccinations for various things such as travel or using public convenience is nothing new. Nor is it overwhelmingly oppressive. If you're scared of getting a shot then don't get it. It's not like you really wanted to travel, stay in certain hotels or see specific sporting events in person. My sympathy and sensibility, regarding, remains intact.
Then I reserve the right to sue if the vaccine harms me or my family in anyway. I also reserve the right to know what is in the vaccine. If they deny both, then they can go F themselves. I hope all of those travel companies enjoy losing millions or even billions.
If you have a site that will allow racist, misinformed or divisive material while other sites ban such then that site will become a collection storehouse for all of that. Anything that might exist on it that doesn't involve such will be a mere happenstance that some may want to use as example to 'prove' the site is pure and wholesome. As it is - this site's name made the word filter here.
"Racist misinformed divisive material" is your opinion and your weak and low attempt to discredit information being presented that is contrary to your "racist, misinformed and divisive" agenda being perpetuated on the American people by the media and global establishment. Your excuse of racist, misinformed, divisive material, is eerily similar to the book burning of the Nazis. Much likes showing your papers to travel, aka vaccine papers now, is eerily similar to the Nazis and what they do In China. Maybe you should move there. I think you'd fit in better.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 11, 2020, 09:32:43 AM
"Racist misinformed divisive material" is your opinion and your weak and low attempt to discredit information being presented that is contrary to your "racist, misinformed and divisive" agenda being perpetuated on the American people by the media and global establishment. Your excuse of racist, misinformed, divisive material, is eerily similar to the book burning of the Nazis. Much likes showing your papers to travel, aka vaccine papers now, is eerily similar to the Nazis and what they do In China. Maybe you should move there. I think you'd fit in better.
Maybe you should enlist and serve in this nation's military like I did before you suggest I move to China because I'm hurting your feelings. By the way, you will be required to take vaccinations from boot camp through all your deployments.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 11, 2020, 09:53:10 AM
And, again, requiring up to date vaccinations for various things such as travel or using public convenience is nothing new. Nor is it overwhelmingly oppressive. If you're scared of getting a shot then don't get it. It's not like you really wanted to travel, stay in certain hotels or see specific sporting events in person. My sympathy and sensibility, regarding, remains intact.
BS I dont have to carry my medical records around to see a movie get on a plane or take a cruise..but you will now
Be a good little stooge and blindly do as your seemly very corrupt gov tells you to do without question
At 61 with pre existing conditions I will not get this shot anytime soon if ever.
If they require it to get private med insurance I will have to at some point...that is probably the way it will go to force the rest of us.
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Oldman731 on December 11, 2020, 09:56:17 AM
Then I reserve the right to sue if the vaccine harms me or my family in anyway.
42 U.S.C.A. § 300aa-22:
(1) No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings.
- oldman
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 11, 2020, 10:01:18 AM
Maybe you should enlist and serve in this nation's military like I did before you suggest I move to China because I'm hurting your feelings. By the way, you will be required to take vaccinations from boot camp through all your deployments.
What kind military vet who served for America wants to be taken over a by a UN agenda that is anti constitutional? Why do you deny that such an agenda exist? What kind of vet doesn't want to defend free speech because he's butt hurt that that speech is exposing the agenda you arrogantly deny while discrediting any information that challenges that agenda as "racist", which is an emotional cop-out to make it okay to book burn and call people fascist. Since when did traditional Americans become fascist white nationalist all of the sudden? Why do you support such racist divisive rhetoric? Thats not something I would expect from a vet who loves America.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 11, 2020, 10:02:47 AM
BS I dont have to carry my medical records around to see a movie get on a plane or take a cruise..but you will now
Be a good little stooge and blindly do as your seemly very corrupt gov tells you to do without question
At 61 with pre existing conditions I will not get this shot anytime soon if ever.
If they require it to get private med insurance I will have to at some point...that is probably the way it will go to force the rest of us.
I'm sorry but were you of the mistaken impression that I was party to forcing you to receive an inoculation you're afraid of? I'm a mere 2-3 years younger than you with my own pre-existing conditions but you still have my sympathy. I forgive your insulting hissy. :aok
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 11, 2020, 10:06:44 AM
What kind military vet who served for America wants to be taken over a by a UN agenda that is anti constitutional? Why do you deny that such an agenda exist? What kind of vet doesn't want to defend free speech because he's butt hurt that that speech is exposing the agenda you arrogantly deny while discrediting any information that challenges that agenda as "racist", which is an emotional cop-out to make it okay to book burn and call people fascist. Since when did traditional Americans become fascist white nationalist all of the sudden? Why do you support such racist divisive rhetoric? Thats not something I would expect from a vet who loves America.
That's a hell of a lot of supposition, kid. Did you go to some sort of special straw man projection class to master that? Again, instead of questioning my patriotism from the non-serving peanut gallery why don't you actually step up and serve? Are you that afraid of shots? :)
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: fd ski on December 11, 2020, 10:08:37 AM
Eagler, you're being little overboard. Here is a list of vaccinations required of anyone who wants to immigrate to USA. (https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/laws-regs/vaccination-immigration/revised-vaccination-immigration-faq.html#newcriteria) ------------------------ What vaccines are required for U.S. immigration? At this time,* vaccines for these diseases are currently required for U.S. immigration:
Mumps Measles Rubella Polio Tetanus and diphtheria Pertussis Haemophilus influenzae type B (Hib) Hepatitis A Hepatitis B Rotavirus Meningococcal disease Varicella Pneumococcal disease Seasonal influenza *On December 14, 2009, the human papillomavirus (HPV) and zoster vaccines were removed from the list of required vaccines for immigrant applicants. All other vaccinations on this list remain.
Any future vaccines recommended by ACIP for the general U.S. public will be subject to the new vaccination criteria. If the recommended vaccines fit the new criteria, they will be added to the list of required vaccines for immigrant applicants.
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Do note that this incudes dreaded MMR shot.
For existing citizen - when you're a child you are required to have those shots to be admitted to school ( there are exceptions ).
There is a greater good for all of us, people aren't dying ( and infecting others ) with deadly stuff. Why would you want to look for malice ?
MORAY37 - thank you for valuable and reasonable input into this thread.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 11, 2020, 10:31:21 AM
(1) No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings.
Eagler, you're being little overboard. Here is a list of vaccinations required of anyone who wants to immigrate to USA. (https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/laws-regs/vaccination-immigration/revised-vaccination-immigration-faq.html#newcriteria) ------------------------ What vaccines are required for U.S. immigration? At this time,* vaccines for these diseases are currently required for U.S. immigration:
Mumps Measles Rubella Polio Tetanus and diphtheria Pertussis Haemophilus influenzae type B (Hib) Hepatitis A Hepatitis B Rotavirus Meningococcal disease Varicella Pneumococcal disease Seasonal influenza *On December 14, 2009, the human papillomavirus (HPV) and zoster vaccines were removed from the list of required vaccines for immigrant applicants. All other vaccinations on this list remain.
Any future vaccines recommended by ACIP for the general U.S. public will be subject to the new vaccination criteria. If the recommended vaccines fit the new criteria, they will be added to the list of required vaccines for immigrant applicants.
-----------------------
Do note that this incudes dreaded MMR shot.
For existing citizen - when you're a child you are required to have those shots to be admitted to school ( there are exceptions ).
There is a greater good for all of us, people aren't dying ( and infecting others ) with deadly stuff. Why would you want to look for malice ?
MORAY37 - thank you for valuable and reasonable input into this thread.
None of those are RNA vaccines.
All of those have been tested for decades.
Many doctors have talked about the ill effects rna vaccines have on animals.
Many doctors say we don't have enough testing.
Sides effects we've seen are Bells Palsy.
Why do they have to be stored at -90°?
The whole thing sounds sketch to me with a virus that has a 99% survival rate.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 11, 2020, 10:33:14 AM
Yes I got them as a child too...Catholic schools are very strict
I am an adult now and should have the ability to say what is shot into my body and what is not
I dont do many things that will require the new card so I am not worried but I can see how it will really peeve off many who do.
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 11, 2020, 10:42:00 AM
That's a hell of a lot of supposition, kid. Did you go to some sort of special straw man projection class to master that? Again, instead of questioning my patriotism from the non-serving peanut gallery why don't you actually step up and serve? Are you that afraid of shots? :)
Supposition and strawman? That's exactly what you are doing to me by claiming my sources are "racist".
I wish you could answer my questions instead creating a new fallacy about me every time you respond. Why do you cover up and hide your agenda while mocking others for exposing it? You arent being honest. Thats why I don't trust people pushing globalist policies and organizations while denying they exist. There is obviously something nefarious there.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 11, 2020, 10:53:48 AM
Supposition and strawman? That's exactly what you are doing to me by claiming my sources are "racist".
I didn't use supposition nor did I project anything upon your nature or character. I merely revealed what multiple sources say about what you are hellbent to share here. I merely noticed that your source is specifically included in the word filter.
I leave it up to you to either show positive elements of your character and claims or to impeach it yourself when you let your angry imagination run wild. I leave it up to you to be prideful and refuse to retract what you know to be reckless and false or humble and realize that such a retraction is not a weakness but a strength.
You can either live up to what you claim or down to what you claim. Making up stories about me to make yourself feel better when I find fault in your claim(s) doesn't serve that purpose. Would it not be better to feel less threatened and attempt to have a true meeting of the mind rather than behave as if you must protect some sort of angry indoctrination at all costs (and we are talking a cost to you). :)
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Busher on December 11, 2020, 11:19:49 AM
All I am hearing is that you see some sort of organized group that exists "out there" that is planning to tear down what you perceive to be "America". I also hear you saying that a "conservative" America is the only valid America. I assume that must mean that anyone with liberal or even progressive ideas is wrong or un-American. I am still waiting to hear any ideas you have to achieve the solution you seek and how you will go about that without subordinating the rights of fellow Americans.
Thanks okay DS,, I should have not expected an answer. Keep seeing the evil in others though. No doubt it makes for a happy life.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 11, 2020, 12:06:08 PM
Does not sound like Mark believes in the vaccine either..
Thanks okay DS,, I should have not expected an answer. Keep seeing the evil in others though. No doubt it makes for a happy life.
You put false words in my mouth in your statement about conservatives and completely ignored my questions I asked in my other post that show there is an evil agenda labeling Americans horrible things that are hurtful and divisive. If you dont think I should be mad about that, you better check yourself. If you don't think an agenda for civil war is at play by making us the Nazis of America, you better check yourself. Your side is pushing the evil, and causing your low information followers to treat us as evil.. Im F ing tired of it. I'm going after the rich media corps pushing this agenda. Not individuals like your side is pushing. And for you to sit here and act like its not happening while mocking me is a disgrace and proves your arrogance and proves why your side shouldn't be trusted.
Suicides are up, homicides are up, heart attack deaths are up, drug over doses are up, almost all crime is up, just look at Minnesota. In Oregon we have another NO Go zone who are stock piling weapons illegally. And this is all happening in places controlled by your agenda, that you hide and pretend doesn't exist. What the hell is wrong with you people, seriously. This stuff is dangerous and the stats prove it.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 11, 2020, 12:27:32 PM
Which side of whatever 'agenda' is calling for a civil war? Asking for a friend or several million that just want the America they grew up in back. (Canning the crazy talk might be a good start.) :old:
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 11, 2020, 12:29:58 PM
Which side of whatever 'agenda' is calling for a civil war? Asking for a friend or several million that just want the America they grew up in back. (Canning the crazy talk might be a good start.) :old:
Calling us Nazis and racist while ignoring our points and claiming we are "conspiracy theorist" while not acknowledging what our side is proving, while demanding these accounts be book burned, is calling for a civil war. Im sure China and the UN love it.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 11, 2020, 12:33:53 PM
Which side of whatever 'agenda' is calling for a civil war? Asking for a friend or several million that just want the America they grew up in back. (Canning the crazy talk might be a good start.) :old:
Sorry but that America is long gone but the new "woke" one will be so much better :rofl
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 11, 2020, 12:38:34 PM
Calling us Nazis and racist while ignoring our points and claiming we are "conspiracy theorist" while not acknowledging what our side is proving, while demanding these accounts be book burned, is calling for a civil war. Im sure China and the UN love it.
Well, son, you actually have to prove things and not just claim them over and over before people can acknowledge you proved something. But nice dance.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 11, 2020, 12:40:13 PM
Suicides are up, homicides are up, heart attack deaths are up, drug over doses are up, almost all crime is up, just look at Minnesota. In Oregon we have another NO Go zone who are stock piling weapons illegally. And this is all happening in places controlled by your agenda, that you hide and pretend doesn't exist. What the hell is wrong with you people, seriously. This stuff is dangerous and the stats prove it.
If your hero had been more worried about the people and not his delicate ego, the USA wouldn't be the sh~t show it is today
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: RotBaron on December 11, 2020, 12:57:46 PM
Which side of whatever 'agenda' is calling for a civil war? Asking for a friend or several million that just want the America they grew up in back. (Canning the crazy talk might be a good start.) :old:
Everyone thinking everyone else is scared seems the thing, lately.
All of those stats he riddled off as to why he doesn't think America is great anymore is because of the agenda by the clowns and cronies you are defending and promoting. The irony is thick. Im exposing these cronies, yet you think its a "conspiracy theory" as to why all of these stats the guy is ridding off are happening.
And for the record, those other countries are not free. They just have the illusion of it. The cronies have already taken over their countries and are silencing and jailing anyone who speaks out against them and their agenda of global government.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 11, 2020, 01:26:50 PM
All of those stats he riddled off as to why he doesn't think America is great anymore is because of the agenda by the clowns and cronies you are defending and promoting.
Prove it.
1) Who is doing what? (Make sure your claims are grounded.)
2) If you are credible in the above then also prove my defense of such.
That's how proof works. :aok
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Shuffler on December 11, 2020, 01:33:17 PM
One group wants to destroy our history. So we know they are not the ones who want the America we once had.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 11, 2020, 01:36:22 PM
Saw this decline coming many years before that. 9/11 & endless wars to line politicians and big companies pockets. At the expense of the poor, middle class...
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 11, 2020, 01:40:02 PM
Seems I saw something before that when Timothy McVeigh set off a huge bomb to try to start a race/civil war and because he hated 'the guvmint.' :old:
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: RotBaron on December 11, 2020, 01:59:29 PM
The Turner Diaries was written in 1978. Didn’t start a race war, but many wanted the book banned because it “could/might”
1978...
Familiar with it?
IRS building bombing didn’t start one either or the Las Vegas shooting.
What’s going on now are not isolated events or books about it.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 11, 2020, 02:05:23 PM
What’s going on now are not isolated events or books about it.
But your view of 'what's going on now' is still very unusually myopic. The radicals that have been threatening a civil war (or renewed civil war) for years are still doing such.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 11, 2020, 02:15:48 PM
Perhaps collecting actual history texts might be better. Especially if you make sure your collection includes historians that don't necessarily agree with each other.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: TyFoo on December 11, 2020, 03:53:14 PM
While looking for further evidence of total mind control, elimination of freedom, the rounding up of the Sheeple, a total understanding of the Illuminatti, the Pentavirate, and the Lizard people, I came across this little but suspicious anomaly. . . . .
John F Kennedy and Abraham Lincoln both had 7 letters in their last name. Kennedy had a secretary named Lincoln. Lincoln was born in a log cabin. Kennedy once spilled Log Cabin Syrup in the back seat of his grandfather's Lincoln.
Coincidence?????
I don't think so. . . . . .
(Gary Mule Deer c. 2008)
We all show our patriotism for our respective countries in our own way. . . . .Is that wrong?
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: perdue3 on December 11, 2020, 05:15:29 PM
Describe the manner of said 'history destruction' to me (historian). :)
Congratulations on the successful defense of your Thesis! :aok
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: RotBaron on December 11, 2020, 05:17:56 PM
Less than 1 million ICU and critical care beds in the US for a population of over 330 million.
Sars 2003
“Swine Flu” 2009, and many others prior.
Movies and shows have been made about an outbreak(s).
Even shows called Outbreak and Hot Zone...easily predictable
They were entertaining but also popular because they’re believable. So who do you believe failed the world and the US? Why weren’t we prepared - wars for oil and poppy??
Myopic enough Arlo?
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 11, 2020, 05:48:02 PM
Less than 1 million ICU and critical care beds in the US for a population of over 330 million.
Sars 2003
“Swine Flu” 2009, and many others prior.
Movies and shows have been made about an outbreak(s).
Even a shows called Outbreak and Hot Zone...easily predictable
They were entertaining but also popular because they’re believable. So who do you believe failed the world and the US? Why weren’t we prepared - wars for oil and poppy??
Myopic enough Arlo?
One show even came out in the early 2000s that predicted exactly what we are doing now. Then had on a chalk board chloroquine as their treatment.
We had event 201 by John's Hopkins and The Bill Gates foundation in October 2019 talking about what they would do during a corona outbreak, on the same day as the Wuhan Military games. (Wtf is nato having a military game in China?)
Sure is a surprise that a corona virus outbreak just so happens to start in Wuhan eh?
We are being played with, BSed, and mocked. Thats what pisses me off the most, while the dims sit here and act like ain't nothing going on.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: MiloMorai on December 11, 2020, 06:00:59 PM
You DS certainly are be played by the biggest snake oil con artist in recent times.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 11, 2020, 06:01:46 PM
Less than 1 million ICU and critical care beds in the US for a population of over 330 million.
Sars 2003
“Swine Flu” 2009, and many others prior.
Movies and shows have been made about an outbreak(s).
Even shows called Outbreak and Hot Zone...easily predictable
They were entertaining but also popular because they’re believable. So who do you believe failed the world and the US? Why weren’t we prepared - wars for oil and poppy??
Myopic enough Arlo?
Well, yes, pretty much.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Busher on December 11, 2020, 06:23:22 PM
And for the record, those other countries are not free. They just have the illusion of it. The cronies have already taken over their countries and are silencing and jailing anyone who speaks out against them and their agenda of global government.
For the record, I and all the other non-Americans on this board neither accept nor respect your opinion about our various countries. But at least you finally told me who the bad guys are that upset you so badly.... it's the Cronies. Let me guess, someone got them wet or fed them after midnight.. right?
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 11, 2020, 06:37:54 PM
You DS certainly are be played by the biggest snake oil con artist in recent times.
Actually you and your deep state loser clowns were conned by Trump and Michael Flynn who were under cover learning all they could about your sick clown cabal. Remember, Trumps uncle was in the fbi, Remember, Trump went to military school, all while your boy Barry was getting high in Indonesia and going to Harvard with Saudi money.
Why do you think they tried so hard to put Flynn in prison? Why do you think they hate Trump so much?
We have it all.
That's why we are bringing troops home from Somalia and the middle east. Thats why we are making peace deals in the middle east.
You people are going to be sorry.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: MiloMorai on December 11, 2020, 06:41:26 PM
Your new suit ;) (https://i2.wp.com/vickifitch.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Tinfoil-Suit-cropped.jpg)
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: morfiend on December 11, 2020, 06:50:40 PM
Rumor has it nanobots in the vaccine will be activated 2021, 2, 2, anyone vaccinated will turn into a mindless drone.On the upside you will live until 120 years but wont be allowed to retire until you reach 110!
The global cabal want you to be a productive drone and will get the most out of each and everyone of you. :bolt:
:salute
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Meatwad on December 11, 2020, 07:19:43 PM
Rumor has it nanobots in the vaccine will be activated 2021, 2, 2, anyone vaccinated will turn into a mindless drone.On the upside you will live until 120 years but wont be allowed to retire until you reach 110!
The global cabal want you to be a productive drone and will get the most out of each and everyone of you. :bolt:
:salute
Hope they can rebuild worn out body parts. If they can, it would put the little blue pill company out of business
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Busher on December 11, 2020, 07:23:56 PM
Actually you and your deep state loser clowns were conned by Trump and Michael Flynn who were under cover learning all they could about your sick clown cabal. Remember, Trumps uncle was in the fbi, Remember, Trump went to military school, all while your boy Barry was getting high in Indonesia and going to Harvard with Saudi money.
Why do you think they tried so hard to put Flynn in prison? Why do you think they hate Trump so much?
We have it all.
That's why we are bringing troops home from Somalia and the middle east. Thats why we are making peace deals in the middle east.
You people are going to be sorry.
Already sorry... for you :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Brooke on December 11, 2020, 07:29:40 PM
Freedom of speech doesn't mean only the things you like and none of what you don't.
Few things in the world -- even greatly positive things like freedom of speech -- have zero drawbacks.
Freedom of expression is recognized as a human right under article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
But freedom of speech and expression can not be recognized as being absolute, and common limitations or boundaries to freedom of speech relate to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, non-disclosure agreements, the right to privacy, dignity, the right to be forgotten, public security, and perjury.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: TyFoo on December 11, 2020, 08:05:26 PM
Actually you and your deep state loser clowns were conned by Trump and Michael Flynn who were under cover learning all they could about your sick clown cabal. Remember, Trumps uncle was in the fbi, Remember, Trump went to military school, all while your boy Barry was getting high in Indonesia and going to Harvard with Saudi money.
We have it all.
You people are going to be sorry.
It's funny that a Billionaire - World Leader - was undercover. . . .I would love to see how he pulled that off, the disguise, makeup, back story etc. . . . . .lol It sounds like a Bizzaro episode of Undercover Boss. Perhaps they can create a spin off and call it "Undercover World Leader" now that would be a show worth watching.
With regard to the two statements thereafter. . . . . You insinuate the truth. . . . .
1) The Prez went to a Military Academy - which equates to High School for the rest of us "ordinary" folk. When I first read this it seemed to imply that he went to something like West Point. I wasn't aware Military High Schools have access too or instilled such secret military knowledge to 14-18 yr olds.
2) I cannot find anything on his Uncle having "been in the fbi" He assisted the FBI after Tesla's death in the early 1940's. Considering he died in 1985 what secrets did he pass on to #45 that was of great value? Everything I briefly read says that John G. was a respected Electrical engineer, Physicist, participated in some very valuable research during WWII, and was a Prof at MIT.
Its true we do have it all. A melting pot of people and ideas. Normally people would feel sorrow if we didn't find some of this so entertaining.
The rest of it seems like . . . . .well you know. . . . . . .lol
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 11, 2020, 08:40:22 PM
Quote "John G. was a respected Electrical engineer, Physicist, participated in some very valuable research during WWII, and was a Prof at MIT."
Just imagine being one of the few guys who got to work with Tesla and see his work.
You don't think he could have passed on some valuable information to Donald?
I view him as more of a Batman figure.
plvs vltra? He had it on his wall paper one day ;)
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: morfiend on December 11, 2020, 08:40:37 PM
Actually you and your deep state loser clowns were conned by Trump and Michael Flynn who were under cover learning all they could about your sick clown cabal. Remember, Trumps uncle was in the fbi, Remember, Trump went to military school, all while your boy Barry was getting high in Indonesia and going to Harvard with Saudi money.
Why do you think they tried so hard to put Flynn in prison? Why do you think they hate Trump so much?
We have it all.
That's why we are bringing troops home from Somalia and the middle east. Thats why we are making peace deals in the middle east.
You people are going to be sorry.
Holy shi.... :eek:
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: guncrasher on December 11, 2020, 10:13:37 PM
Freedom of speech doesn't mean only the things you like and none of what you don't.
Few things in the world -- even greatly positive things like freedom of speech -- have zero drawbacks.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"
it doesn't apply to private companies.
semp
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: RotBaron on December 11, 2020, 10:22:37 PM
Freedom of expression is recognized as a human right under article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Most of us in this forum and game live in the US. Our law(s) and rights come from the US Constitution, Bill of Rights and state/local laws... not any “Universal” declarations or laws.
:rolleyes:
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Busher on December 11, 2020, 11:04:02 PM
Most of us in this forum and game live in the US. Our law(s) and rights come from the US Constitution, Bill of Rights and state/local laws... not any “Universal” declarations or laws.
:rolleyes:
I was aware of that before I made my post; but are you aware that the USA is the only country where the highest court has protected hate speech.... abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice against a particular group or individual, especially on the basis of race, religion, or sexual orientation.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: MiloMorai on December 12, 2020, 12:57:09 AM
The Native American Government That Inspired the US Constitution https://www.history.com/news/iroquois-confederacy-influence-us-constitution
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Brooke on December 12, 2020, 04:34:40 AM
In Semp's example, freedom of speech means also for private citizens and private organizations freedom from speech -- by which I mean not being forced into saying things, including on their property or on their equipment (such as private message boards). That's a good thing.
In Busher's example, there are things illegal to say, which are well known and non-controversial, such as not being able to slander people or incite violence against a person. Those also are good things.
My conversation was not about the legality of free speech or about free speech in general. It was about a specific conversation with Arlo, involving personal preference -- specifically Arlo saying he wouldn't ever view any link to something on Bit Chute.
I admire when private platforms promote freedom of speech as it is defined in the US legal framework. But they aren't required to do that, and my admiration does not extend to slander, inciting violence against a person, etc.
It's like if Arlo and I were having a conversation about vegetarianism, and I say, "I'm in favor of meat as part of one's diet." That doesn't mean I think the Constitution requires that everyone eat meat. That doesn't mean I think it is OK to murder and eat fellow humans.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 12, 2020, 05:59:58 AM
Perhaps collecting actual history texts might be better. Especially if you make sure your collection includes historians that don't necessarily agree with each other.
That is but one.... but you obviously live here and have much more time to waste on these boards.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 12, 2020, 09:18:41 AM
That is but one.... but you obviously live here and have much more time to waste on these boards.
Well, that's kind of amusing considering our relative post counts and join dates. You could have just typed the better example you think you're holding back for some odd reason instead of that wasted 'observation.' :old:
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 12, 2020, 10:50:08 AM
In Semp's example, freedom of speech means also for private citizens and private organizations freedom from speech -- by which I mean not being forced into saying things, including on their property or on their equipment (such as private message boards). That's a good thing.
In Busher's example, there are things illegal to say, which are well known and non-controversial, such as not being able to slander people or incite violence against a person. Those also are good things.
My conversation was not about the legality of free speech or about free speech in general. It was about a specific conversation with Arlo, involving personal preference -- specifically Arlo saying he wouldn't ever view any link to something on Bit Chute.
I admire when private platforms promote freedom of speech as it is defined in the US legal framework. But they aren't required to do that, and my admiration does not extend to slander, inciting violence against a person, etc.
It's like if Arlo and I were having a conversation about vegetarianism, and I say, "I'm in favor of meat as part of one's diet." That doesn't mean I think the Constitution requires that everyone eat meat. That doesn't mean I think it is OK to murder and eat fellow humans.
They simply don't understand the concept of what freedom actually means. Thats why its okay to deny yours.
They say its okay for a private company to deny free speech, but don't understand that its actual soviets who have taken over media businesses and are book burning accounts calling them "racist" with no actual proof, inorxer to promote their agenda for a left wing take over. Once silicon valley gets the okay to push social credit scores and other illegal unconstitutional tech to prevent people from holding money in banks or making money from PayPal or patron, inorder to get those conservatives in line, its going to be extremely hard to take down. People just don't understand this and simply write it off as "conspiracy" even though this is exactly what they are doing in China using these silicon valley companies.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 12, 2020, 11:17:50 AM
My conversation was not about the legality of free speech or about free speech in general. It was about a specific conversation with Arlo, involving personal preference -- specifically Arlo saying he wouldn't ever view any link to something on Bit Chute.
I admire when private platforms promote freedom of speech as it is defined in the US legal framework. But they aren't required to do that, and my admiration does not extend to slander, inciting violence against a person, etc.
It's like if Arlo and I were having a conversation about vegetarianism, and I say, "I'm in favor of meat as part of one's diet." That doesn't mean I think the Constitution requires that everyone eat meat. That doesn't mean I think it is OK to murder and eat fellow humans.
Point of order here. My observation about 'Bit Chute' was that it hosts videos that have been universally condemned as misinformation and even dangerous by other platforms and communities. The video that DS wants to share here, over and over, happens to be an actual example. I also made mention that the name somehow earned itself a spot on this forum's word filter and it's obvious that the word, itself, isn't vulgar, profane or insulting. That leaves but one possibility - either HT, the forum contractor or both do not want that source spread all over this forum, likely because it is politically volatile in nature.
To answer that with a cry for 'freedom of speech' is not all that different than saying anyone should be allowed to yell fire in a crowded movie house or display porn in a grade school classroom or church because ..... freedom (which isn't what the 1st Amendment was about).
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 12, 2020, 11:21:12 AM
They say its okay for a private company to deny free speech, but don't understand that its actual soviets who have taken over media businesses and are book burning accounts calling them "racist" with no actual proof, inorxer to promote their agenda for a left wing take over.
I understand that you weren't even alive when there was a Soviet Union but it would really behoove you to actually study up on use of that word and not just repeat what you're reading on poorly written and thought out sources. Seriously, it would help you look less foolish :aok
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 12, 2020, 12:14:41 PM
Point of order here. My observation about 'Bit Chute' was that it hosts videos that have been universally condemned as misinformation and even dangerous by other platforms and communities. The video that DS wants to share here, over and over, happens to be an actual example. I also made mention that the name somehow earned itself a spot on this forum's word filter and it's obvious that the word, itself, isn't vulgar, profane or insulting. That leaves but one possibility - either HT, the forum contractor or both do not want that source spread all over this forum, likely because it is politically volatile in nature.
To answer that with a cry for 'freedom of speech' is not all that different than saying anyone should be allowed to yell fire in a crowded movie house or display porn in a grade school classroom or church because ..... freedom (which isn't what the 1st Amendment was about).
Prove that anything that I posted is racist or violent.
Your clown show says they are racist and have "condemned" it because they are scared crapless that their agenda is being exposed and they are being found out.
Don't cry about it. They put themselves in this position and we will be damned if we don't call them out on it. We will be damned if we allow them shut us out of being able to speak out against them.
That's my problem with you losers. You never accept that we have research and methods too, and you can't stand that because you hate competition and hate that your ideas and people promoting them are being challenged.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 12, 2020, 12:21:04 PM
Prove that anything that I posted is racist or violent.
Your clown show says they are racist and have "condemned" it because they are scared crapless that their agenda is being exposed and they are being found out.
Don't cry about it. They put themselves in this position and we will be damned if we don't call them out on it. We will be damned if we allow them shut us out of being able to speak out against them.
That's my problem with you losers. You never accept that we have research and methods too, and you can't stand that because you hate competition and hate that your ideas and people promoting them are being challenged.
Relax, son. Just try reading my post again. Slowly and maybe more than once. :)
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Busher on December 12, 2020, 04:36:12 PM
Relax, son. Just try reading my post again. Slowly and maybe more than once. :)
Quite disturbing to see how a cult can completely capture such a significant number of people, isn't it? And there is no debate with what the cult perceives as truth.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: RotBaron on December 12, 2020, 05:26:58 PM
Well, that's kind of amusing considering our relative post counts and join dates. You could have just typed the better example you think you're holding back for some odd reason instead of that wasted 'observation.' :old:
More informative without your snark & criticism
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: RotBaron on December 12, 2020, 05:27:29 PM
Oh and your infinite wisdom :old:
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: guncrasher on December 12, 2020, 11:21:40 PM
"The only winning move is not to play"
semp
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Brooke on December 13, 2020, 04:29:41 AM
My observation about 'Bit Chute' was that it hosts videos that have been universally condemned as misinformation and even dangerous by other platforms and communities.
Every pile in history of burned books was deemed to be universally condemned and dangerous.
As we've talked about, any service that does not censor content will have:
1. Garbage material that is universally condemned, that you and I both would consider to be garbage. 2. Some non-garbage material, not in the mainstream because it contradicts an agenda.
If a person will never look at anything from or distributed by an organization condemned by the mainstream -- it means he therefore will miss much information that contradicts the mainstream.
That dynamic has been helpful throughout history to groups in power.
It's OK, though. The world needs all kinds of people. If a group in power says, "You shouldn't read that -- it's dangerous or condemned," it becomes something I feel especially obligated to check. Yet, if everyone were like me, it wouldn't be best for the world. There's some proportion of people like me in that respect and not like me that is best for the world.
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To answer that with a cry for 'freedom of speech' is not all that different than saying anyone should be allowed to yell fire in a crowded movie house or display porn in a grade school classroom or church because ..... freedom
Completely incorrect.
As I've said, the following two things -- which I support -- are typical, non-controversial, and beneficial: A. The usual small set of speech that is illegal. B. That people and organizations (such as schools) can (and do and have the right to) decide what information to convey and what information not to convey.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: NatCigg on December 13, 2020, 05:34:54 AM
I understand that you weren't even alive when there was a Soviet Union but it would really behoove you to actually study up on use of that word and not just repeat what you're reading on poorly written and thought out sources. Seriously, it would help you look less foolish :aok
I will not happily live under your dictatorship! You can not push your views on me! I have respect for those before us and will strive to uphold the truths that they earned. I dont know how to get you to respect what you have been given.
There is no right answer. This is life on earth, it is what we make it. Verified sources and accepted points of view are dangerous when used to oppress and dictate!
In my point of view, the freedom you mock is essential. You flaunt how disturbing it is to see someone get irate about not wearing a mask. I see expression that can't be undervalued. To you it is common knowledge to assimilate and believe. I want to know the truth. Yeah I know I'm not getting to the point as I should.
The disconnect begins with these root points of view. A left brain vs right brain, if you will. One based off of ideal norms and one based off individual liberty.
Dictating righteous norms is identical to dictating wrongful norms.
A philosophical difference that separates arguments and how we operate and think in this world.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 13, 2020, 07:01:13 AM
Sadly the media cannot be trusted
And this year seems to prove at least half the gov, probably most, is suspect and best and treasonous at worst
Looks like china will own the new potus to the point of blackmail..as everyone already knew
All of a sudden it is news as they will use it to push sleepy creepy corrupt joe out and install the crazy jamacian sleeze
Will those cheated react or will they just shrug it off like the hillary email scandal?
Crazy times
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: save on December 13, 2020, 07:19:37 AM
China revealed in a Government news paper the Corona virus is imported via frozen food. Well, you can have it your own way if you own the media I guess ...
They already have vaccinated some citizen with their not-really-ready vaccine..
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 13, 2020, 09:32:39 AM
Quite disturbing to see how a cult can completely capture such a significant number of people, isn't it? And there is no debate with what the cult perceives as truth.
Its called the cult of GFY.
Look at how awesome Trump is flying over his supporters as they sing the national Anthem. You wish your leaders were this badass.
How many businesses and building are being looted?
How many of them are spray painting the buildings?
How many of them are running around in all black tearing down statues?
Yeah... thats what I thought.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: RotBaron on December 13, 2020, 02:37:40 PM
All of a sudden it is news as they will use it to push sleepy creepy corrupt joe out and install the crazy jamacian sleeze
Eagler
This I saw coming as soon as she was chosen as his running mate. News, etc made such a big deal about everything about her except her qualifications! The running mate had to check off boxes that has zero to do with being a good leader.
Wondering what Vegas lines are on her at 3 months, 6 months or a year.
I’d guess by summer she’ll be...
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 13, 2020, 03:40:50 PM
Yes here in the US as well...see sleepy creepy corrupt joe crime family, prev admin and 2020 election fraud for current examples
Eagler
Always amazed at "followers".
At least 3 statements in a single sentence that are unsupported by any evidence but their Messiah said it was true so therefore it is. Keep sending the money though.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: MORAY37 on December 13, 2020, 05:30:47 PM
At least 3 statements in a single sentence that are unsupported by any evidence but their Messiah said it was true so therefore it is. Keep sending the money though.
Wow you truly think that?
If you do I feel sorry for you
I have not sent any politician one red cent of my money ever and never will
All of my statements are true if you care to look them up or continue to lie to yourself to justify your hate for the orange man
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Busher on December 14, 2020, 10:24:04 AM
I have not sent any politician one red cent of my money ever and never will
All of my statements are true if you care to look them up or continue to lie to yourself to justify your hate for the orange man
Eagler
LOL. "All of your statements are true". Sounds more to me like a repeat of all the unproven drivel that your orange man has regurgitated.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 14, 2020, 10:31:25 AM
Not my orange man as I did not vote for him in 16
Surprised he won but sad how the bias press has reacted since
Last post here as stated in the Texas thread
<S>
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: TheRobbler on December 14, 2020, 04:17:39 PM
will put faith in science instead of some conspiracy theorists paranoid delusions. i can't wait to take the vaccine. maybe then I will feel safe again. :old:
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Train45 on December 14, 2020, 04:22:35 PM
will put faith in science instead of some conspiracy theorists paranoid delusions. i can't wait to take the vaccine. maybe then I will feel safe again. :old:
not all "science" is created equal.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: RotBaron on December 14, 2020, 06:26:15 PM
Looks like the “Orange Man Bad” crowd here knows the fix really has been all along for Biden’s VP to become the President.
None of you Trump haters have even tried to assert that Biden (and the Democrat party) will be President for a full term!
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Busher on December 14, 2020, 06:45:42 PM
Looks like the “Orange Man Bad” crowd here knows the fix really has been all along for Biden’s VP to become the President.
None of you Trump haters have even tried to assert that Biden (and the Democrat party) will be President for a full term!
The President and all the other public servants should bore us to tears. They are elected to look after infrastructure, negotiate the best trade deals they can (because world trade is a reality), maintain the military and the postal service. Simply put they are there to serve the people not the other way around.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: NatCigg on December 14, 2020, 06:52:30 PM
Interesting. After all that b.s. we still believe the same thing.
:salute
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: TheRobbler on December 15, 2020, 07:15:04 AM
I would posit that most Trump lovers and Covid deniers get their news from one or two sources. The entire rest of the world knows this virus is real and is taking it seriously. The hospitals are filling up folks. Turn off Faux News and start getting your news from a variety of outlets. That is the only way you will be able to ascertain the truth. My buddy died the other day! It was complications from this disease that so many of you absolutely refuse to take seriously. It is this brazen "me first" attitude that is making it so prevalent in our country. Wear the mask, social distance, do whatever it takes. I know you are 'Mericans...and have rights and what not ... but sometimes you gotta take one for the team.
Stay safe.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 15, 2020, 07:40:00 AM
Sorry to hear about your buddy
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Train45 on December 15, 2020, 07:59:25 AM
I would posit that most Trump lovers and Covid deniers get their news from one or two sources. The entire rest of the world knows this virus is real and is taking it seriously. The hospitals are filling up folks. Turn off Faux News and start getting your news from a variety of outlets. That is the only way you will be able to ascertain the truth. My buddy died the other day! It was complications from this disease that so many of you absolutely refuse to take seriously. It is this brazen "me first" attitude that is making it so prevalent in our country. Wear the mask, social distance, do whatever it takes. I know you are 'Mericans...and have rights and what not ... but sometimes you gotta take one for the team.
Stay safe.
if you really were concerned about convincing people you wouldnt be so patronising. Problem with the news is is it no longer any integrity. raw data is the only way to get any truth these days. but its impossible to get complete accurate raw data when it comes to covid. so ill remain highly skeptical
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 15, 2020, 08:48:30 AM
if you really were concerned about convincing people you wouldnt be so patronising. Problem with the news is is it no longer any integrity. raw data is the only way to get any truth these days. but its impossible to get complete accurate raw data when it comes to covid. so ill remain highly skeptical
Exactly. No one here is a covid denier. Thats a fallacy. I am a pandemic denier though. Don't give a flyin F what these morons say a 99% survival rate is not a pandemic. 300K people would have died from other causes anyway in a normal year of fatality rates. Sorry to anyone who lost a family member of friend, but its not a pandemic.
Secondly, I look at over 80 sources a day thru aggregate news boards and other websites, along with listen to many podcasts from independent journalist. To say we only watch one or 2 channels is a fallacy of assumption and goes to show just how arrogant these a ssholes are. They watch their CNN and ABC and daily beast promote all of the same news stories, and think they are knowledgeable. How lunatic of them to call us the ignorant ones.
3rd. No other countries aren't doing better than America. We give out hundreds of billions to countries around the world. If you dont like America and want to watermelon all over every day, F ing MOVE. Im tired of "every other country is so great besides America. GTFOOH then. So tired of it.
4th. They can't even accept thru multiple statisticians, computer IT professionals, software professionals and other professionals that the voting #s are completely screwed and highly improbable in almost every battleground state, along with video evidence that votes came out underneath a table after everyone left to count votes at 2am. There is no way people will deny any funny business with the covid #s. #s don't matter anymore unless it's a death and cases count. Thats the only #s any leftest moron cares about. Professional statisticians don't mean anything anymore.
If people can accept this total fraud to our country and give away our country to China like its some great thing. Its a sad sorry disgraceful day to all Americans and the leftest will pay dearly for this trying to F with us. If I've about had it, I can only imagine what people in the "know" are thinking right now.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: TheBug on December 15, 2020, 09:06:36 AM
If people can accept this total fraud to our country and give away our country to China like its some great thing. Its a sad sorry disgraceful day to all Americans and the leftest will pay dearly for this trying to F with us. If I've about had it, I can only imagine what people in the "know" are thinking right now.
Never met anyone so far gone.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 15, 2020, 09:34:52 AM
The President and all the other public servants should bore us to tears. They are elected to look after infrastructure, negotiate the best trade deals they can (because world trade is a reality), maintain the military and the postal service. Simply put they are there to serve the people not the other way around.
For some reason liberals hated it though.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Busher on December 15, 2020, 09:47:05 AM
It's on F ing tape presented by a lawyer to the legislature you stupid SoB.
The existence of the tape is true, it is your narrative of it that is a lie. You seem to be fond of lying and liars.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Mister Fork on December 15, 2020, 10:59:42 AM
As an outside observer, maybe voting for the orange man wasn't about voting for Republican or Democrat, but voting against the establishment - the political elite... the 1% who control most of the money and companies in the USA and that ya'll were tired of the BS that came with them? Voting for him was a vote against 'them' who do not act in your best interest?
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: MiloMorai on December 15, 2020, 11:04:01 AM
As an outside observer, maybe voting for the orange man wasn't about voting for Republican or Democrat, but voting against the establishment - the political elite... the 1% who control most of the money and companies in the USA and that ya'll were tired of the BS that came with them? Voting for him was a vote against 'them' who do not act in your best interest?
No doubt it was but people saw the experiment didn't work as well as they hoped it would.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: TheBug on December 15, 2020, 11:06:39 AM
but voting against the establishment - the political elite... the 1% who control most of the money and companies in the USA
There was no vote available, most likely in my entire lifetime, to vote against the establishment. If you believed you were doing that you were fooled.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 15, 2020, 11:11:43 AM
As an outside observer, maybe voting for the orange man wasn't about voting for Republican or Democrat, but voting against the establishment - the political elite... the 1% who control most of the money and companies in the USA and that ya'll were tired of the BS that came with them? Voting for him was a vote against 'them' who do not act in your best interest?
Only traitors will hate what Trump is doing. Apparently there are a lot of them.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 15, 2020, 11:24:51 AM
No doubt it was but people saw the experiment didn't work as well as they hoped it would.
Besides the dem and corrupt media who never got over his victory, no else thinks his 4 years were a failure
And please dont bring up the "covid deaths" as how he failed as many believe he is not responsible as the media is trying to brainwash you into believing
Those same ppl would have croaked regardless who was potus
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: MiloMorai on December 15, 2020, 11:29:29 AM
If he had put as much effort into the covid as he did into his election fraud rhetoric he would be still the Prez.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: TheBug on December 15, 2020, 11:38:56 AM
Besides the dem and corrupt media who never got over his victory, no else thinks his 4 years were a failure
And please dont bring up the "covid deaths" as how he failed as many believe he is not responsible as the media is trying to brainwash you into believing
Those same ppl would have croaked regardless who was potus
Eagler
He failed because his campaign exploited divisions within the US and increased the cultural polarization in this country. The divisions were certainly not his creation but he certainly drove a wedge into them. That is the opposite of what a good leader should do. United we stand, divided we fall.
I firmly believe a vast majority of Americans could find a common ground if led by a moderate leader, we are not as different as people are trained to believe via propaganda. Do I think Biden is that guy, certainly not. My only hope is that under him our divisions don't widen. Until we the people learn to respect one another I'm afraid the same crud will rise to the top.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Shuffler on December 15, 2020, 11:53:33 AM
No doubt it was but people saw the experiment didn't work as well as they hoped it would.
It worked well for Americans. Finally someone was working for jobs here and product here. Seems others are only worried about folks who come here illegally. Note that no one has issues with those who come here legally.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: TheBug on December 15, 2020, 12:00:27 PM
He failed because his campaign exploited divisions within the US and increased the cultural polarization in this country. The divisions were certainly not his creation but he certainly drove a wedge into them. That is the opposite of what a good leader should do. United we stand, divided we fall.
I firmly believe a vast majority of Americans could find a common ground if led by a moderate leader, we are not as different as people are trained to believe via propaganda. Do I think Biden is that guy, certainly not. My only hope is that under him our divisions don't widen. Until we the people learn to respect one another I'm afraid the same crud will rise to the top.
False. Thats a main stream sellout media illusion.
Remember all of the celebrities holding heads of bloody Trump. Talking about assassinations, talking about blowing up the White house. Calling us Nazi white supremacist every F ing day. We had more black brown Hispanics and yellow people than ever before in history vote for Trump. More woman and "people of color" with jobs than ever before. So you can screw right off with your "he's divisive BS" the media attacked Trump from day 1 down the escalator. You people are so propagandislzed to say it was all Trump who caused division. I guess if going after and exposing pedophile Nazis in NXVM and epstein Island and stopping child trafficking from Mexico and pulling troops out of the middle east while signing peace deals is "division". Than I will happily be divided until one side remains.
Have fun going back to Syria, Lybia, and Sudan getting our troops killed for the genie oil company you hypocrits dont want to talk about. Have fun allowing heroin to kill more Americans than covid ever dreamed of. Have fun watching your companies go over seas for cheap slave labor just like confederates wanted. Have fun watching your cities turn into trash dumps like Portland has become. Its so frustrating. I live in the most democrat controlled city on the planet. Democrats have controlled Portland for decades. Its no surprise that Portland is so "racist with racist cops" its no surprise how many businesses have closed down and are leaving. Its no surprise there thousands of tents posted all over the place. No surprise there are RVs trashing the streets all over the place. No surprise the town is a total trash dump. This is what you want America to be, a F ing over priced trash dump? That's what your side has achieved. I see it with my own eyes every day.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: guncrasher on December 15, 2020, 12:16:44 PM
It worked well for Americans. Finally someone was working for jobs here and product here. Seems others are only worried about folks who come here illegally. Note that no one has issues with those who come here legally.
it was great for us, used to work at a steel plant, about 30 small companies we did business with went under because they couldn't afford the new higher price on steel.
trade wars are easy to win.
semp
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 15, 2020, 12:18:24 PM
Just wait till the real watermelon about esptein comes out within the science community he was working with. There is so much out there, the hammer is going to have to drop sooner than later.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: TheBug on December 15, 2020, 12:32:15 PM
Pretty much everybody thinks you're nuts. How are you not picking up on that? Oh yeah, you're nuts.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 15, 2020, 12:33:53 PM
The left creating fake russian collusion for the last 4 years while their pres elect is in the russian and chinese pockets
The crimes commited by the prev admin to open that fake investigation and ignored by our media
The media ignoring stories harmful to their candidate
The media showing emotion while stating the news thus showing their bias
Historic election fraud..to name just a few
Question...
Does anyone here think trump would have lost if the virus was not here and the states did not killed the economy?
Mail in ballots were not allowed to be sent out willey nilly and not verified when counted?
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: guncrasher on December 15, 2020, 12:38:59 PM
Just wait till the real watermelon about esptein comes out within the science community he was working with. There is so much out there, the hammer is going to have to drop sooner than later.
you are red? won't that make you a communist?
every hard the expression better dead than red?
semp
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: TheBug on December 15, 2020, 12:44:32 PM
False. Thats a main stream sellout media illusion.
Remember all of the celebrities holding heads of bloody Trump. Talking about assassinations, talking about blowing up the White house. Calling us Nazi white supremacist every F ing day. We had more black brown Hispanics and yellow people than ever before in history vote for Trump. More woman and "people of color" with jobs than ever before. So you can screw right off with your "he's divisive BS" the media attacked Trump from day 1 down the escalator. You people are so propagandislzed to say it was all Trump who caused division. I guess if going after and exposing pedophile Nazis in NXVM and epstein Island and stopping child trafficking from Mexico and pulling troops out of the middle east while signing peace deals is "division". Than I will happily be divided until one side remains.
Have fun going back to Syria, Lybia, and Sudan getting our troops killed for the genie oil company you hypocrits dont want to talk about. Have fun allowing heroin to kill more Americans than covid ever dreamed of. Have fun watching your companies go over seas for cheap slave labor just like confederates wanted. Have fun watching your cities turn into trash dumps like Portland has become. Its so frustrating. I live in the most democrat controlled city on the planet. Democrats have controlled Portland for decades. Its no surprise that Portland is so "racist with racist cops" its no surprise how many businesses have closed down and are leaving. Its no surprise there thousands of tents posted all over the place. No surprise there are RVs trashing the streets all over the place. No surprise the town is a total trash dump. This is what you want America to be, a F ing over priced trash dump? That's what your side has achieved. I see it with my own eyes every day.
Off your meds again?
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Shuffler on December 15, 2020, 01:05:23 PM
Can you share your metrics for making those determinations. :salute
Placing tariffs on cheap chineese goods was a start. It will take time but it is a start. Reversing what has been happening for many years is not going to be easy or painless. Some purchasers of cheap goods just switched to other countries that make cheap products like Vietnam and Mexico. In my opinion we should not even be dealing with communist nations anyway.
Also replacing NAFTA with USMCA.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 15, 2020, 01:10:10 PM
Pretty much everybody thinks you're nuts. How are you not picking up on that? Oh yeah, you're nuts.
Coming from people who support a man who can't even speak a coherent sentence during his so called acceptance speech. Wow, you guys are seriously loony toons. Wtf is wrong with you?
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: guncrasher on December 15, 2020, 01:24:20 PM
Coming from people who support a man who can't even speak a coherent sentence during his so called acceptance speech. Wow, you guys are seriously loony toons. Wtf is wrong with you?
he stutters, and as me. only disability where people still make fun of you.
that's bigly for pointing it out. covfefe.
semp
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 15, 2020, 01:30:40 PM
he stutters, and as me. only disability where people still make fun of you.
that's bigly for pointing it out. covfefe.
semp
Forgetting your train of thought during a sentence is not stuttering. It's mental degradation. This is the guy you want protecting us from Russia or China? Give me a F ing break.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: TheBug on December 15, 2020, 01:34:57 PM
Placing tariffs on cheap chineese goods was a start. It will take time but it is a start. Reversing what has been happening for many years is not going to be easy or painless. Some purchasers of cheap goods just switched to other countries that make cheap products like Vietnam and Mexico. In my opinion we should not even be dealing with communist nations anyway.
Also replacing NAFTA with USMCA.
So you have no metrics that indicate there were benefits, just your assumptions? I'm not saying that it is not true, I only have my assumptions.
I do not have a problem with the US dealing with communist countries but I do dealing with countries that have human rights issues and don't support the same Rights of Man as we do. Which includes all the communist countries and many others.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: TheBug on December 15, 2020, 01:36:14 PM
Forgetting your train of thought during a sentence is not stuttering. It's mental degradation. This is the guy you want protecting us from Russia or China? Give me a F ing break.
sure as hell wouldn't want you or any member of trumps family that couldn't get a top secret clearance. daddy had to intercede.
semp
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 15, 2020, 01:40:03 PM
Forgetting your train of thought during a sentence is not stuttering. It's mental degradation. This is the guy you want protecting us from Russia or China? Give me a F ing break.
Seems he didn't want to protect us against Vietnam.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 15, 2020, 01:48:23 PM
The President and all the other public servants should bore us to tears. They are elected to look after infrastructure, negotiate the best trade deals they can (because world trade is a reality), maintain the military and the postal service. Simply put they are there to serve the people not the other way around.
Not sure what any of that has to do with my post that creepy Joe won’t serve a full term. Probably much less.
The question is if Democrats really wanted Kamala then why didn’t she win the nomination. Joe did, but the agenda is for him to step down and her to take over... :headscratch:
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: RotBaron on December 15, 2020, 01:51:56 PM
An orchestrated ruse.
And a cheated population.
Soros and Co. I’m sure are delighted!
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: TheBug on December 15, 2020, 01:55:00 PM
It’s plain as day to see. Only need to think for yourself to see it.
Why did so many candidates dropout before Super Tuesday?
The only thing they see is MSM propaganda.
Biden said verbatim that he will catch a virus and drop out.
Biden said verbatim that they had the largest voter fraud network in History.
They don't care because they want to destroy America as founded and turn it into a dump like a Portland, Baltimore, LA, San Fran, Seattle, Oakland. Ect. That is the true democratic model of turning your city into a homeless tent filled trash dump.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: TheBug on December 15, 2020, 02:16:29 PM
I know and have plenty enough liberal & democrats friends and family members that have the same suspicions to know mine aren’t unfounded.
Apparently that's a 'can't.' And to think, you kind of tried to start by branding yourself as a pretend neutral observer, demanding concrete evidence from left of the political spectrum. Good job, you.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: TheBug on December 15, 2020, 02:20:28 PM
How are you still posting on this board? I once called someone a moron and was banned for a week.
The same reason yall are still here. We are vigorously debating. When I get attacked with personal attacks. I attack back. Thats how I work. When I see people disgracing America. I defend it.
Why do you want China to take over the US and UK? Let's start there Mister smart guy. Are you so arrogant you don't think China wants to control the world? Have you read anything about their social credit scores?
Again, wtf is wrong with you people.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 15, 2020, 02:24:50 PM
Apparently that's a 'can't.' And to think, you kind of tried to start by branding yourself as a pretend neutral observer, demanding concrete evidence from left of the political spectrum. Good job, you.
I’ve never tried to brand myself as anything specifically here, especially not neutral. But at the same time I don’t fit in some box that liberals define conservatives by.
I’m a nurse, I see/seen things through many lenses...I’m registered Independent. I agree with a lot (not all) conservative points of view...
I voted for Ross Perot and wrote in Newt Gingrich...
How about you? Ever voted for a conservative or Independent? Ever left the Democrat plantation?
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: MORAY37 on December 15, 2020, 02:30:13 PM
The same reason yall are still here. We are vigorously debating. When I get attacked with personal attacks. I attack back. Thats how I work. When I see people disgracing America. I defend it.
Why do you want China to take over the US and UK? Let's start there Mister smart guy. Are you so arrogant you don't think China wants to control the world? Have you read anything about their social credit scores?
Again, wtf is wrong with you people.
Again, you truly need to seek psychiatric help. The things you are saying have not been voiced by me or anyone else on this board at any time. I've served my country abroad and here at home since I was 22 years old, and legitimizing your insanity is not my responsibility.
Nobody here wants China to take over the world. Everybody here really would like to see you get the help you deserve.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: RotBaron on December 15, 2020, 02:32:39 PM
I’ve never tried to brand myself as anything specifically here, especially not neutral. But at the same time I don’t fit in some box that liberals define conservatives by.
I’m a nurse, I see/seen things through many lenses...I’m registered Independent. I agree with a lot (not all) conservative points of view...
I voted for Ross Perot and wrote in Newt Gingrich...
How about you? Ever voted for a conservative or Independent? Ever left the Democrat plantation?
There's some things you probably shouldn't brag about while tooting your 'independently non-neutral horn.' And 'Democrat plantation?'
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: RotBaron on December 15, 2020, 02:45:26 PM
There's some things you probably shouldn't brag about while tooting your 'independently non-neutral horn.' And 'Democrat plantation?'
Not sure where I’m bragging, can you point that out?
Also you didn’t answer the question, have you ever voted for a candidate that isn’t a Democrat or liberal (voted for the other party because the candidate was a better person for the job...)?
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 15, 2020, 02:52:22 PM
Again, you truly need to seek psychiatric help. The things you are saying have not been voiced by me or anyone else on this board at any time. I've served my country abroad and here at home since I was 22 years old, and legitimizing your insanity is not my responsibility.
Nobody here wants China to take over the world. Everybody here really would like to see you get the help you deserve.
What help you F ing moron.
I think you are the one who needs help after you get red pilled full of democrat corruption that has actually been prosecuted. This is only the last 8 months. I could go on and on.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 15, 2020, 02:58:14 PM
Not sure where I’m bragging, can you point that out?
Also you didn’t answer the question, have you ever voted for a candidate that isn’t a Democrat or liberal (voted for the other party because the candidate was a better person for the job...)?
Yes but that was before the Republican party, in general went crazy. And it seems trending Fed, State and, local. For nostalgia's sake:
Before my time but clearly Republican presidents and administrations have slid since.
Basically it's an issue of my being the same while the spectrum shifts around me - which looks an awful lot like being 'pushed left by crazy' from a different perspective. Anything sane, rational and non-criminal isn't (R), currently. When that changes back to a mere difference in liberal policy versus conservative, issue by issue, we'll see.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: MORAY37 on December 15, 2020, 03:08:26 PM
I think you are the one who needs help after you get red pilled full of democrat corruption that has actually been prosecuted. This is only the last 8 months. I could go on and on.
And me posting a ridiculously long number of Republicans indicted and serving prison time in reply would be answered how? That they were framed? I'm not going to play the "what about" game with you; I assume you are an adult.
People suck, in general. It's not a Republican thing or a Democrat thing, or a black, white, red or Orange thing... it's a species thing. A lot of people suck. Sometimes they do things out of malice; sometimes they feel forced to commit crimes for other reasons. Some people just don't think laws apply to them, by position or power. That's why a lot of people smarter than you came up with laws and the ability to process crimes against those of us who don't play by society's rules, for better or worse.
If you cannot get past that, then it's on you. Crime isn't affiliated with a political party, or a race, or a pronoun. If you believe otherwise, it's only a reflection of the person who YOU are. Hating other Americans simply for disagreeing with you will lead to progressively worse things. It's also, by definition, UN-American, since you have so stated you are a "defender of the country".
Please get in contact with a psychotherapist in your area. You are truly exhibiting symptoms of someone who needs help, and I mean that honestly and with compassion. If you need help with the steps you can take, feel free to PM me and I will be happy to help.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 15, 2020, 03:21:58 PM
And me posting a ridiculously long number of Republicans indicted and serving prison time in reply would be answered how? That they were framed? I'm not going to play the "what about" game with you; I assume you are an adult.
People suck, in general. It's not a Republican thing or a Democrat thing, or a black, white, red or Orange thing... it's a species thing. A lot of people suck. That's why a lot of people smarter than you came up with laws and the ability to process crimes against those of us who wish to play the game by the rules, for better or worse.
If you cannot get past that, then it's on you. Crime isn't affiliated with a political party. If you believe otherwise, it's only a reflection of the person who YOU are.
Please get in contact with a psychotherapist in your area. You are truly exhibiting symptoms of someone who needs help, and I mean that honestly and with compassion. If you need help with the steps you can take, feel free to PM me and I will be happy to help.
I need help because people like you don't seem to understand what I am fighting and helping to expose. Or you do understand and just want to cover it up.
Take a look.
Part 1 https://www.bit-chute.com/video/m4uPgLMVI_g/
Part 3 https://www.bit-chute.com/video/WiNKpTVTPce4/
Now, if you ignore this and write it off as conspiracy. I will understand exactly where you stand. This is why I am so angry. Until this gets exposed and ends on a federal level US level, I will not stop. Until these "elites" get arrested, i will continue to fight. Nothing makes them madder than when this gets exposed.
I often think the majority of anti trumpers are covering up for this. Thats why I have lost my respect for them.
That's why I have lost respect for the news media.
That's I have lost respect for many of our systems.
Welcome to the darkness of those who hate Trump the most.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: MORAY37 on December 15, 2020, 03:24:31 PM
I need help because people like you don't seem to understand what I am fighting and helping to expose. Or you do understand and just want to cover it up.
Take a look.
Part 1 https://www.bit-chute.com/video/m4uPgLMVI_g/
Part 3 https://www.bit-chute.com/video/WiNKpTVTPce4/
Now, if you ignore this and write it off as conspiracy. I will understand exactly where you stand. This is why I am so angry. Until this gets exposed and ends on a federal level US level, I will not stop. Until these "elites" get arrested, i will continue to fight. Nothing makes them madder than when this gets exposed.
I often think the majority of anti trumpers are covering up for this. Thats why I have lost my respect for them.
That's why I have lost respect for the news media.
That's I have lost respect for many of our systems.
Welcome to the darkness of those who hate Trump the most.
Please get in contact with a psychotherapist in your area. You are truly exhibiting symptoms of someone who needs help, and I mean that honestly and with compassion. If you need help with the steps you can take, feel free to PM me and I will be happy to help.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 15, 2020, 03:34:37 PM
Please get in contact with a psychotherapist in your area. You are truly exhibiting symptoms of someone who needs help, and I mean that honestly and with compassion. If you need help with the steps you can take, feel free to PM me and I will be happy to help.
You obviously didn't watch the videos.
In that case, sorry, I dont take advice from corrupt sellouts.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Shuffler on December 15, 2020, 03:42:53 PM
he stutters, and as me. only disability where people still make fun of you.
that's bigly for pointing it out. covfefe.
semp
His problem is not a stuter. He forgets who he is and where he is at.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: TheBug on December 15, 2020, 03:43:34 PM
John Canales, better known as Mouthy Buddha, is a YouTube talker who was openly alt-right.
Canales is friends with William Fears.
Fears is an active alt-right activist and was recently arrested and charged with attempted homicide for encouraging a fellow neo-Nazi to shoot into a crowd of protesters.
Conspiracy theories In addition to the above conspiracy-fueled political ideology, Canales believes in several more specific conspiracy theories:
Canales published a video titled "THE SYRIAN CHEMICAL ATTACK VIDEO WAS A HOAX" which claims precisely that, contrary to the United Nations.
Canales believes in creeping sharia, as he discusses in "Islamization of America" and "Angela Merkel: Islam's Pet Dog".
Canales believes that "SJWs" will destroy the world.
Canales appears to believe that "powerful governments" have "UFO departments", and that Tom DeLonge is just a "disinformation" agent by the CIA, NSA, or other US intelligence agency.
Canales has repeatedly included single-frame references to Pizzagate -- possibly in an attempt at subliminal messaging. The image that he uses is bizarre -- that of John Podesta with a 14 sharpie'd onto his left and fish onto his right hand -- and yet even Pizzagate nutters have debunked it as not meaningful.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 15, 2020, 03:44:38 PM
I know that President elect Biden has had to deal with that all his life but the rest of your description applies to Trump. Are you weakly attempting to project that onto President elect Biden?
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Busher on December 15, 2020, 03:50:00 PM
Isn't it amazing how many garbage videos Qanon can produce. :rolleyes: Any opinions on how, when, or even if, he might get "de-programmed"?
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: RotBaron on December 15, 2020, 03:50:25 PM
Please get in contact with a psychotherapist in your area. You are truly exhibiting symptoms of someone who needs help, and I mean that honestly and with compassion. If you need help with the steps you can take, feel free to PM me and I will be happy to help.
It doesn’t seem you mean to do anything other than ridicule.
If you truly did you’d PM him and not put it here in a see for all forum.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 15, 2020, 04:12:03 PM
Man, I tried. If you have to discredit those vids and call it "alt right". I feel very sorry for you, and sick to my stomach.
You guys are lost souls.
I'll let God deal with that.
SMH.
I think I'm done here with this. What a sad state 😢
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 15, 2020, 04:16:38 PM
I posted the ultimate red pills into the true depths of our demise. Considering that is being mocked, discredited as "alt right neo nazi" and ignored, I no longer have anything to say to you people.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 15, 2020, 04:31:32 PM
I posted the ultimate red pills into the true depths of our demise. Considering that is being mocked, discredited as "alt right neo nazi" and ignored, I no longer have anything to say to you people.
Case in point.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Ack-Ack on December 15, 2020, 05:00:50 PM
I need help because people like you don't seem to understand what I am fighting and helping to expose. Or you do understand and just want to cover it up.
Take a look.
Part 1 https://www.bit-chute.com/video/m4uPgLMVI_g/
Part 3 https://www.bit-chute.com/video/WiNKpTVTPce4/
Now, if you ignore this and write it off as conspiracy. I will understand exactly where you stand. This is why I am so angry. Until this gets exposed and ends on a federal level US level, I will not stop. Until these "elites" get arrested, i will continue to fight. Nothing makes them madder than when this gets exposed.
I often think the majority of anti trumpers are covering up for this. Thats why I have lost my respect for them.
That's why I have lost respect for the news media.
That's I have lost respect for many of our systems.
Welcome to the darkness of those who hate Trump the most.
You really do need some deep psychological help.
I seriously find it hard to believe that you really think there is a deep state run by satanic cannibals pedophiles that is run out of a pizza shop in Maryland headed by the Clintons and Soros.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Ack-Ack on December 15, 2020, 05:05:00 PM
Isn't it amazing how many garbage videos Qanon can produce. :rolleyes: Any opinions on how, when, or even if, he might get "de-programmed"?
Personally, I believe whoever created QAnon is an epic trollster trolling the mentally challenged and conspiracy nutters so the rest of us sane people know who the retards are.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Busher on December 15, 2020, 05:24:22 PM
Personally, I believe whoever created QAnon is an epic trollster trolling the mentally challenged and conspiracy nutters so the rest of us sane people know who the retards are.
Did it ever cross your mind the the mighty Q could be the product of a Trump publicist? Far fetched I appreciate but what better way to enlist and maintain a large base that believes he is the 2nd coming of the Messiah. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: TheBug on December 15, 2020, 05:26:25 PM
You guys better not have chased him away. :furious
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 15, 2020, 05:36:41 PM
Personally, I believe whoever created QAnon is an epic trollster trolling the mentally challenged and conspiracy nutters so the rest of us sane people know who the retards are.
Trump would have called them out already.
Trump called them "good people" when asked about it, and played stupid about not knowing who it is.
I guess you think General Flynn is one of those mentally challenged nutters too?
I use to laugh at my old roommate who was a "conspiracy theorist" just like you guys. Then when the 2016 election came around, I realized he wasn't so crazy. The left over played their hand and hasn't stopped since. Then when they arrested Epstien and Maxwell, I knew it was all real.
Sad that you guys just write it off because you think you are so damn smart instead of just reading into it.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on December 15, 2020, 05:51:27 PM
Trump called them "good people" when asked about it, and played stupid about not knowing who it is.
I guess you think General Flynn is one of those mentally challenged nutters too?
I use to laugh at my old roommate who was a "conspiracy theorist" just like you guys. Then when the 2016 election came around, I realized he wasn't so crazy. The left over played their hand and hasn't stopped since. Then when they arrested Epstien and Maxwell, I knew it was all real.
Sad that you guys just write it off because you think you are so damn smart instead of just reading into it.
Must be easy to quit. You've done it twice and you're back again. :old:
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: RotBaron on December 15, 2020, 06:11:57 PM
http://m.quickmeme.com/p/3vxydh
Horde in game, horde in here.
Really never figured so many Trump haters here. It’s been 3 decades since we had a President that respected our military, their lives and families so much.
With as many of you that served it’s hard to see that’s lost y’all. :confused:
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Brooke on December 15, 2020, 07:02:53 PM
As an outside observer, maybe voting for the orange man wasn't about voting for Republican or Democrat, but voting against the establishment - the political elite... the 1% who control most of the money and companies in the USA and that ya'll were tired of the BS that came with them? Voting for him was a vote against 'them' who do not act in your best interest?
The best speech ever about that -- up to 3:54 only. After that, it's back on track with the narrative.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 15, 2020, 07:16:53 PM
Really never figured so many Trump haters here. It’s been 3 decades since we had a President that respected our military, their lives and families so much.
With as many of you that served it’s hard to see that’s lost y’all. :confused:
I'm having a hard time figuring it out myself. Unfortunately I believe they are hiding their true intentions on why they really hate him. Sad that so many fall for foreign media propaganda. I've never seen a president in my time love America like Trump does. We are bringing troops home, he snuck out and went to go see troops during Xmas or Thanksgiving, he has improved the VA greatly and allows them to see personal doctors... I just dont get it.
Funny meme BTW 🤣
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: guncrasher on December 15, 2020, 07:19:50 PM
I'm having a hard time figuring it out myself. Unfortunately I believe they are hiding their true intentions on why they really hate him. Sad that so many fall for foreign media propaganda. I've never seen a president in my time love America like Trump does. We are bringing troops home, he snuck out and went to go see troops during Xmas or Thanksgiving, he has improved the VA greatly and allows them to see personal doctors... I just dont get it.
Funny meme BTW 🤣
what are you lazarus? thought you left. even lazarus took 3 days not 3 minutes.
semp
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: CptTrips on December 15, 2020, 07:23:12 PM
Really never figured so many Trump haters here. It’s been 3 decades since we had a President that respected our military, their lives and families so much.
With as many of you that served it’s hard to see that’s lost y’all. :confused:
I'm having a hard time figuring it out myself. Unfortunately I believe they are hiding their true intentions on why they really hate him. Sad that so many fall for foreign media propaganda. I've never seen a president in my time love America like Trump does. We are bringing troops home, he snuck out and went to go see troops during Xmas or Thanksgiving, he has improved the VA greatly and allows them to see personal doctors... I just dont get it.
Funny meme BTW 🤣
I haven’t since Reagan, I was fairly young then, but old enough to see his true love for us.
I’m not a GW Bush fan, but he had his moments during/after 9/11 I remember liberal friends and classmates saying they were glad it was GW and not Gore in hindsight.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: guncrasher on December 15, 2020, 07:57:19 PM
I haven’t since Reagan, I was fairly young then, but old enough to see his true love for us.
I’m not a GW Bush fan, but he had his moments during/after 9/11 I remember liberal friends and classmates saying they were glad it was GW and not Gore in hindsight.
i voted for Reagan, first election i ever voted, was disappointed in him, but he had character, funny, but last 2 years his mental faculties were not there. he was a good guy pain me too see that.
semp
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: MORAY37 on December 15, 2020, 07:59:36 PM
It doesn’t seem you mean to do anything other than ridicule.
If you truly did you’d PM him and not put it here in a see for all forum.
Ridicule? Really? If I wanted to ridicule him, there are seriously better, more entertaining ways. In the future, I'll be sure to consult with you as to the proper discourse I should take in my BBS posts on the Aces High Bulletin Board.
Perhaps your own personal bias, keyboard warrior?
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Busher on December 15, 2020, 08:06:39 PM
I'm having a hard time figuring it out myself. Unfortunately I believe they are hiding their true intentions on why they really hate him. Sad that so many fall for foreign media propaganda. I've never seen a president in my time love America like Trump does. We are bringing troops home, he snuck out and went to go see troops during Xmas or Thanksgiving, he has improved the VA greatly and allows them to see personal doctors... I just dont get it.
Funny meme BTW 🤣
It's really simple. POTUS is supposed to be the President of the entire nation - not just President of his chosen base. A real leader addresses legitimate grievances with empathy and understanding; a real leader does not surround himself with yes-men; a real leader does not resort to childish name calling; and a real leader doesn't do the nations business on social f**king media.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 15, 2020, 08:11:05 PM
what are you lazarus? thought you left. even lazarus took 3 days not 3 minutes.
semp
The English in me wants to stop. The Jewish in me wants to stop. The Scottish in me even wants to stop. The Italian in me said screw that keep fighting. The American in me said screw that keep fighting. Those are my 2 strongest personalities, so its tough to watch comments go by without challenging them.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Brooke on December 15, 2020, 08:17:25 PM
i voted for Reagan, first election i ever voted, was disappointed in him, but he had character, funny, but last 2 years his mental faculties were not there. he was a good guy pain me too see that.
semp
Reagan/Carter was in late high school for me, and I thought Carter would be a good president and Reagan would be a horrible president. Now I feel the exact opposite. I feel that Carter is a good and admirable man -- but not a good president.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 15, 2020, 08:35:43 PM
It's really simple. POTUS is supposed to be the President of the entire nation - not just President of his chosen base. A real leader addresses legitimate grievances with empathy and understanding; a real leader does not surround himself with yes-men; a real leader does not resort to childish name calling; and a real leader doesn't do the nations business on social f**king media.
Have you listened to his speeches or rallies lately? How is he not speaking to all of America? What does he want to do that is so damn bad for Americans? How is bringing troops home, and bringing industry back to America a bad thing? How are opportunity zones in cities for people to find work a bad thing? How is bombing ISIS a bad thing? How is lowering drug prices a bad thing? Go listen to a recent speech. Don't take CNNs word for it.
Many of Trumps picks haven't been "yes men". McMaster, Mattis, Millie, Bolton, Kelly, gah i know i am missing many more. Just because they didn't last the entire time, doesn't mean Trump fires every person who disagrees. You don't know what's going on on the inside. Trump has picked a lot of people who aren't necessarily on the Trump Train. Its up to them to do what the people want, or they can resign or fall on their sword. A good machiavelli tactic from the Prince.
Twitter is simply a distraction for the MSM along with him being able to share ideas instantly to go around the media. I hardly ever even look at Trump tweets TBH. Pay more attention to his EOs, regulation cuts, and tax cuts for everyone. I got a $50 a paycheck tax cut.... drug price cuts, gas cost, negotionans and peace deals with the middle east. Things that actually matter.
Unfortunately, your media doesn't talk about this, which is probably why you aren't informed very well into what he's actually doing. Thats why no one likes them anymore. They arent even fair or give any credit where its due.
We know the left wants to "fundamentally" change America, rather than simply make it better and provide more opportunities in the work place. Thats why I cannot get on board with the democrats. The UN has no authority to rule the United States or any country for that matter.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Busher on December 15, 2020, 09:00:26 PM
Have you listened to his speeches or rallies lately? How is he not speaking to all of America? What does he want to do that is so damn bad for Americans? How is bringing troops home, and bringing industry back to America a bad thing? How are opportunity zones in cities for people to find work a bad thing? How is bombing ISIS a bad thing? How is lowering drug prices a bad thing? Go listen to a recent speech. Don't take CNNs word for it.
Many of Trumps picks haven't been "yes men". McMaster, Mattis, Millie, Bolton, Kelly, gah i know i am missing many more. Just because they didn't last the entire time, doesn't mean Trump fires every person who disagrees. You don't know what's going on on the inside. Trump has picked a lot of people who aren't necessarily on the Trump Train. Its up to them to do what the people want, or they can resign or fall on their sword. A good machiavelli tactic from the Prince.
Twitter is simply a distraction for the MSM along with him being able to share ideas instantly to go around the media. I hardly ever even look at Trump tweets TBH. Pay more attention to his EOs, regulation cuts, and tax cuts for everyone. I got a $50 a paycheck tax cut.... drug price cuts, gas cost, negotionans and peace deals with the middle east. Things that actually matter.
Unfortunately, your media doesn't talk about this, which is probably why you aren't informed very well into what he's actually doing. Thats why no one likes them anymore. They arent even fair or give any credit where its due.
We know the left wants to "fundamentally" change America, rather than simply make it better and provide more opportunities in the work place. Thats why I cannot get on board with the democrats. The UN has no authority to rule the United States or any country for that matter.
It's obvious you admire him but it's far deeper than any political agenda.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: TheBug on December 15, 2020, 09:09:21 PM
The English in me wants to stop. The Jewish in me wants to stop. The Scottish in me even wants to stop. The Italian in me said screw that keep fighting. The American in me said screw that keep fighting. Those are my 2 strongest personalities, so its tough to watch comments go by without challenging them.
Where's the Native American chief?
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: NatCigg on December 16, 2020, 12:06:33 AM
Where is the vomit emoji?
Back to topic...
I see the FDA says to watch for bells palsy from the Pfizer vaccine. Wholey cow batman! Better give to the old people first!
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: guncrasher on December 16, 2020, 01:47:08 AM
Have you listened to his speeches or rallies lately? How is he not speaking to all of America? What does he want to do that is so damn bad for Americans? How is bringing troops home, and bringing industry back to America a bad thing? How are opportunity zones in cities for people to find work a bad thing? How is bombing ISIS a bad thing? How is lowering drug prices a bad thing? Go listen to a recent speech. Don't take CNNs word for it.
Many of Trumps picks haven't been "yes men". McMaster, Mattis,
Pay more attention to his EOs, regulation cuts, and tax cuts for everyone.
I am only going to pay attention to these two sentences, as the rest of your post had exclusive residence on Fabrication Island with Melania's plastic surgeon.....
*First, McMaster and Mattis..... I personally know people that have been retired from the service for ten years that would pick up a garden shovel and charge a machine gun if either one of them asked...Who also changed their votes from loyal Trump to Biden because of how they both were treated. I'll take their word over yours, thanks.
*As far as executive orders... isn't that what you folks wanted to impeach the "Obama Dictatorship" for? Trump, (4 years) 200 EO's, 50/yr avg, one every 7.3 days.. Obama (8 years), 276....34.5/yr avg...one every 10.5 days. I mean, next you'll say that Obama played more golf, right? Want to talk about those numbers? Also, why the hell did Trump even need to use any EO's... he had both houses in Congress stacked for two full years.... oh, right... he was too busy golfing. True, true.
*Regulations are there for a reason. You really should take a second to read about the tragedy of the commons. You may not agree, but you also may not have the ability to see why said regulation was put into effect. I know it's difficult because you can't cut down a forest because one species of owl lives there, and you don't understand. Because the world is just a sum of resources to make money.... and dammit, money is everything, right?.
*MY federal taxes went up, not down....by percentage, for three straight years... so this "everyone" you speak of doesn't exist. Cheers.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: NatCigg on December 16, 2020, 06:41:17 AM
I am only going to pay attention to these two sentences, as the rest of your post had exclusive residence on Fabrication Island with Melania's plastic surgeon.....
*First, McMaster and Mattis..... I personally know people that have been retired from the service for ten years that would pick up a garden shovel and charge a machine gun if either one of them asked...Who also changed their votes from loyal Trump to Biden because of how they both were treated. I'll take their word over yours, thanks.
*As far as executive orders... isn't that what you folks wanted to impeach the "Obama Dictatorship" for? Trump, (4 years) 200 EO's, 50/yr avg, one every 7.3 days.. Obama (8 years), 276....34.5/yr avg...one every 10.5 days. I mean, next you'll say that Obama played more golf, right? Want to talk about those numbers? Also, why the hell did Trump even need to use any EO's... he had both houses in Congress stacked for two full years.... oh, right... he was too busy golfing. True, true.
*Regulations are there for a reason. You really should take a second to read about the tragedy of the commons. You may not agree, but you also may not have the ability to see why said regulation was put into effect. I know it's difficult because you can't cut down a forest because one species of owl lives there, and you don't understand. Because the world is just a sum of resources to make money.... and dammit, money is everything, right?.
*MY federal taxes went up, not down....by percentage, for three straight years... so this "everyone" you speak of doesn't exist. Cheers.
I'm thinking we all should get into the medical profession, IT, or public service. Life seems to be good from that point of view. A struggle for equality and a "healthy" life, but it is good. We should ignore the lies and fear rhetoric from the media for the last 4 years, the intentions were good. And finally, when we test positive for covid we should go home and call if we can't breathe right?
While trump was a idiot, the position he put the government in, was good to me.
:salute
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 16, 2020, 06:51:24 AM
I know that President elect Biden has had to deal with that all his life but the rest of your description applies to Trump. Are you weakly attempting to project that onto President elect Biden?
I didn't project anything...... weakly or any other way.
If you look up to Biden, that says enough for me.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 16, 2020, 11:21:44 AM
I am only going to pay attention to these two sentences, as the rest of your post had exclusive residence on Fabrication Island with Melania's plastic surgeon.....
*First, McMaster and Mattis..... I personally know people that have been retired from the service for ten years that would pick up a garden shovel and charge a machine gun if either one of them asked...Who also changed their votes from loyal Trump to Biden because of how they both were treated. I'll take their word over yours, thanks.
*As far as executive orders... isn't that what you folks wanted to impeach the "Obama Dictatorship" for? Trump, (4 years) 200 EO's, 50/yr avg, one every 7.3 days.. Obama (8 years), 276....34.5/yr avg...one every 10.5 days. I mean, next you'll say that Obama played more golf, right? Want to talk about those numbers? Also, why the hell did Trump even need to use any EO's... he had both houses in Congress stacked for two full years.... oh, right... he was too busy golfing. True, true.
*Regulations are there for a reason. You really should take a second to read about the tragedy of the commons. You may not agree, but you also may not have the ability to see why said regulation was put into effect. I know it's difficult because you can't cut down a forest because one species of owl lives there, and you don't understand. Because the world is just a sum of resources to make money.... and dammit, money is everything, right?.
*MY federal taxes went up, not down....by percentage, for three straight years... so this "everyone" you speak of doesn't exist. Cheers.
"How they both were treated"? By who? What did Trump do that was so bad for them? Fix the VA? Lower drug costs, bring troops home? Try to stop vets from 22 suicides a day thanks your F-ed up wars in the middle east by the establishment. They are going to vote Biden who actually called a group of them "stupid bastards" to their faces? Not some hear say 6 year old he said she said, but to their actual face? That's what you want? Another president who sends our men to Syria, lybia, Sudan, Iraq, and where ever else to do what ever the hell it is over there?
Federal tax cuts were across the board. Not sure how yours went up magically. Seems pretty strange to me. 🤔
EOs were because establishment didn't want to give Trump anything. His EOs actually improved the country. As seen by the actual #s before the great bio weapon attack.
Regulations in some cases are necessary. The ones by Obama crippled the trucking industry, crippled many industries rather, forced more businesses to move overseas. Actually forced many businesses to close for good. In many cases screwed over real Americans while propping up foreign DACA workers. Allowed rampant refugee migration destroying social safety nets for American tax payers, let's not forget about robbing Americans with tax dollars going to Paris, robbing Americans with tax dollars to Iran, robbing Americans who didn't want health insurance. Millions dead from Meth and Heroin, including a few of my acquaintances. Trump gave us prison reform, not Obama. Trump gave billions to historically black colleges, way more than Obama. Obama helped ISIS with hundreds of terrorist attacks a year, using isis to take over western europe. Trump bombed the watermelon out of them. Obama gave weapons to terrorist in Fast and Furious, weapons used in the France Night Club shooting. Now we hardly see terrorist attacks. Trump made Nato pay their fair share instead of robbing Americans.
You say the world is used for resources to make money, so why did you support destroying Syria with 25K drone strikes inorder for Genie Energy co to build an oil pipeline?
I dont understand how you can hate a man so much for doing what is actually right for America, while you give Obama and the establishment a pass for their terror across the middle east and there legit selling out of Americans on multiple occasions including a dead Ambassador you didn't care about helping?
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: perdue3 on December 16, 2020, 11:43:19 AM
Before my time but clearly Republican presidents and administrations have slid since.
Basically it's an issue of my being the same while the spectrum shifts around me - which looks an awful lot like being 'pushed left by crazy' from a different perspective. Anything sane, rational and non-criminal isn't (R), currently. When that changes back to a mere difference in liberal policy versus conservative, issue by issue, we'll see.
Not trolling, just need understanding. Are you saying Ike was the last great Republican president or the first Republican president in the "slide?"
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 17, 2020, 10:00:13 AM
I have heard of several side affects
Given the object is to stick everyone my guess we will hear about more
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 17, 2020, 03:46:26 PM
Does it look to anyone else like this guy did not get a real shot?
https://youtu.be/rXdBo_rZ0bk
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 17, 2020, 03:56:48 PM
Does it look to anyone else like this guy did not get a real shot?
https://youtu.be/rXdBo_rZ0bk
Eagler
Yeah, apparently it got so much backlash on social media that the school had to come out and say, "we will give him another then just to show you". Then they made the mistake of saying he would get a 2nd shot in a few weeks, which would actually be his 3rd, (if they actually gave it to him the first time). So yeah this one is pretty sketchy.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 21, 2020, 11:17:08 AM
"Mutant virus in UK. Country will be shut down! Canceled Christmas!"
That is a good ad for the vaccine if I ever saw one... :rolleyes:
I have not heard anyone state the vaccines now being shipped will even touch this latest flavor of this ever changing enemy of the world.
When will China be held financially responsible for unleashing this economy killer onto the rest of the world?
Never if sleepy creep corrupt china joe has anything to do with it as he does not want to interfere with the bribes his family has received from them for years.
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: zack1234 on December 21, 2020, 11:22:34 AM
China is bullett proof
Your betters have sold you down the river.
Dont worry you can watch super hero movies.
Midway was a fantastic film, pity it was financed by your enemies.
It is Russia's fault as well and that dodgy country Iceland, all their fault.
Nothing to do with greedy spoilt westerners who wanted everything on credit.
Whats your credit rating? = how much can you be an idiot and become a debt slave?
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Busher on December 21, 2020, 11:41:12 AM
When will China be held financially responsible for unleashing this economy killer onto the rest of the world?
Never if sleepy creep corrupt china joe has anything to do with it as he does not want to interfere with the bribes his family has received from them for years.
Eagler
Wow the Trump style name calling doesn't stop. You forgot to add a racist comment about Vice-President Elect Harris though.
Now Mr. Intellect, please explain how China was going to contain a contagious disease within their own border when your hero has proven he can't contain it's spread within our own. And please don't start again on the Trumpcrap that the virus was engineered. There is too much science out there proving it wasn't.
And by the way, if you're going to accuse someone of committing a crime, get some proof.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: TheRobbler on December 21, 2020, 11:58:22 AM
if you really were concerned about convincing people you wouldnt be so patronising. Problem with the news is is it no longer any integrity. raw data is the only way to get any truth these days. but its impossible to get complete accurate raw data when it comes to covid. so ill remain highly skeptical
yeah well stupid makes me feel superior and it comes out in my post. I am sorry. good luck!
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: perdue3 on December 21, 2020, 01:25:22 PM
There is too much science out there proving it wasn't.
If only that were good enough for Americans. Do you know how much better life in the South would be if we could just say "There is too much science proving it wasn't?" Oh the bliss, imagine if that were tolerated and sufficient. Here are some fun, hypothetical but very likely, scenarios which could play out Christmas Day at my grandmother's house:
Family member: "We are so thankful for Jesus's divine and holy birth to a virgin on that special winter night in Bethlehem." Me: "There is too much science out there proving it wasn't."
Family member: "You need to be in church more often so that your soul can be saved." Me: "There is too much science out there proving it wasn't [sic]."
Family member: "You know drinking is a sin, as is gluttony." After being asked about the Last Supper, "Jesus and his Disciples drank non-alcoholic grape juice at the Last Supper." Me: "There is too much science out there proving it wasn't."
Family member: "You don't have to believe all the miracles, but you must believe that Jesus died for our sins and was risen on the third day." Me: "There is too much science out there proving it wasn't."
Alas, I smile and nod. It just is not that simple. "All our knowledge begins with the senses, proceeds then to the understanding, and ends with reason. There is nothing higher than reason."- Kant
I realize that this post may be offensive to a few. For that, I am very sorry. I am not belittling faith nor am I trying to seem intolerant. I simply wish I could employ scientific reason in many religious conversations with my fervent family. :(
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Busher on December 21, 2020, 04:51:34 PM
If only that were good enough for Americans. Do you know how much better life in the South would be if we could just say "There is too much science proving it wasn't?" Oh the bliss, imagine if that were tolerated and sufficient. Here are some fun, hypothetical but very likely, scenarios which could play out Christmas Day at my grandmother's house:
Family member: "We are so thankful for Jesus's divine and holy birth to a virgin on that special winter night in Bethlehem." Me: "There is too much science out there proving it wasn't."
Family member: "You need to be in church more often so that your soul can be saved." Me: "There is too much science out there proving it wasn't [sic]."
Family member: "You know drinking is a sin, as is gluttony." After being asked about the Last Supper, "Jesus and his Disciples drank non-alcoholic grape juice at the Last Supper." Me: "There is too much science out there proving it wasn't."
Family member: "You don't have to believe all the miracles, but you must believe that Jesus died for our sins and was risen on the third day." Me: "There is too much science out there proving it wasn't."
Alas, I smile and nod. It just is not that simple. "All our knowledge begins with the senses, proceeds then to the understanding, and ends with reason. There is nothing higher than reason."- Kant
I realize that this post may be offensive to a few. For that, I am very sorry. I am not belittling faith nor am I trying to seem intolerant. I simply wish I could employ scientific reason in many religious conversations with my fervent family. :(
Not sure if you are saying that Science and Faith are mutually exclusive ... for me they are not in conflict.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: zack1234 on December 22, 2020, 07:13:19 AM
I have had my covid immunisation. It was in suppository form.
I bought off the internet for $4.57 it came from Nigeria.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: perdue3 on December 22, 2020, 09:32:54 AM
Not sure if you are saying that Science and Faith are mutually exclusive ... for me they are not in conflict.
I am applying it specifically to my situation. The sect of Protestantism that my family is believes in the miraculous. As a child of reason that is burdened with rationalism, it means conflict.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 22, 2020, 09:34:26 AM
Not sure if you are saying that Science and Faith are mutually exclusive ... for me they are not in conflict.
Faith and Religion are 2 separate things, and NOT the same! I believe you know this, just pointing it out. Nothing else in this thread worth really commenting on :D Religion, I have issues with, Faith not so much.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: 1stpar3 on December 22, 2020, 11:33:26 PM
I am applying it specifically to my situation. The sect of Protestantism that my family is believes in the miraculous. As a child of reason that is burdened with rationalism, it means conflict.
EXACTLY! Makes the Holidays fun though, dont it :rofl I also come from a HEAVY Religious background and have to remind some family,that Jesus didnt hang out with Puritans! Folk forget that part of the Gospels. First Miracle,water to wine! I am of the Ralphy May-"Smoking weed with Jesus" mind set! :rofl Bring on the pitchforks and torches, but if folk would watch that skit, they would probably laugh as well :aok Let me guess,Southern Baptist? All modern Sects came from the same source, and who held the recipe for Beer? The Monks, who were incharge of transcribing the Scriptures. If it was good enough for them, I will take a beer. Only "Being drunken" is mentioned as frowned upon. :old: Fermentation is Science based so is also from God. One doesnt have to look hard to see, that Science will eventually Prove God, NOT RELIGION. Not everything is miracles,The Exodus, Elijah and Prophets of Baal, stories for example. God can use science easy enough...as its already been created.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: perdue3 on December 22, 2020, 11:57:33 PM
The most religious I could possibly be is akin to Voltaire's ideas of religion.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: 1stpar3 on December 23, 2020, 12:00:25 AM
My nephews told me there’s a new strain identified in the UK and vaccine won’t work for this mutation. Truth to this?
I try to keep my Covid news and thus the anxiety about it to a minimum.
That is likely untrue. The mutation in Britain is located on the spike protein, which basically allows the SARS-Cov-2 virus to enter the cell. It does not appear that there are any other genetic changes besides that....meaning no change to the replication factors or the course of illness in Covid-19. It may get the designation of SARS-CoV-3 soon, although this likely won't be enough to be considered that genetically distinct. It has also arisen multiple times in other populations in the world, but has not gotten traction like it did in the U.K.'s population.
This mutation does make the virus more able to infect human cells, apparently, but does not change the course of the infection. Meaning, it is easier to get sick from it, and likely lowers the initial threshold required to begin an infection (which was ~1,500 viral particles introduced into a "healthy" person), but doesn't change the course of the disease, and most likely, will not affect the ability of the current vaccines to counter it with our immune response.
Virulence factors are usually involved with replication and factors that our immune system uses to identify the virus. None of those appear affected by this mutation. I do quantify that there is still work to be done to have a complete scientific understanding of what the mutation did.
This kind of mutation is actually very common. The more hosts a virus enters, the more likely this mutation occurs in response. However, I would caution that even though coronaviruses don't mutate at a high rate... say, as influenza does, this selection does make it more imperative to get people vaccinated quickly. If it is easier to infect human cells, logic dictates it will likely now infect more humans.... which gives it more opportunity to evolve a mutation that really IS problematic. Every viral replication done under the individual conditions that are each person's cellular makeup increases the chance that another mutation arises. It may be a 1 in 300 million chance to randomly spring a truly terrible mutation....... but if you give it 300 million chances....
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: zack1234 on December 23, 2020, 04:07:42 AM
Knackwurst is delicious and I love a Weißwurst with eggs, too. Of course, the most common here is Bratwurst, which we eat quite often in various meals. The only traditional German sausage I do not like is Blühtwurst, proper disgusting that. I am not crazy about Teewurst or Gelbwurst, either.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: MORAY37 on December 23, 2020, 05:41:38 PM
But as with everything about this illness as soon as someone thinks they have it in a box it is not
Eagler
Eagler, this virus has not thrown any sort of real issue at us, from an immunological standpoint. The mutations it has expressed have been predictable and it hasn't developed any sort of increase in mortality over time, meaning the genetics are quite stable, and that there are subsets of our own population-wide genetics that have a particularly hard time with it. I've read in some papers that people who carry genes believed to have originated in Neanderthals are particularly susceptible, 4x-5x higher, to very serious Covid-19 development....roughly 1 in 3 of the world's population.
We have, or rather, a subset of our population has chosen to blatantly ignore the ramifications of their actions, nor care how many people they don't know die from it. Science has known how to successfully control the spread of infectious disease for hundreds of years, and SARS-CoV-2 isn't particularly outstanding at any set of traits. I'd be more concerned if it was "just" a flu.... because influenza is particularly adept at gene mutations and gene swapping between strains. That's why influenza still gets to us every year.... because influenza is rather fleet of foot and changes quite rapidly. A new strain of influenza emerges every few weeks.
This virus has been rather mundane from a epidemiological standpoint, other than its novelty to our immune system at emergence..... If it was a virus like Ebola with an 85% mortality at emergence, I suspect 90% of the United States would be dead, given our absolutely abysmal response in the past 9 months.
There isn't an epidemiologist in the world who believe this virus has been particularly hard to "put in a box". It's just that a significant number of those among us believe that they shouldn't be bothered with controlling themselves.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Brooke on December 23, 2020, 06:47:07 PM
There is too much science out there proving it wasn't.
Gain-of-function research is a standard tool these days, and it has been done on many viruses including SARS-CoV-2, by various labs around the world.
It is possible for it to have been a product of such work.
Almost none of the general population -- and no journalists either -- know the science enough to decide on their own. What people believe is then based on faith in the judgement of those journalists or media those people choose to read.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Brooke on December 23, 2020, 07:08:29 PM
My nephews told me there’s a new strain identified in the UK and vaccine won’t work for this mutation. Truth to this?
No one will know for sure until they test and see. It depends on the mutation and the vaccine. But it will get tested, and we'll know.
For a vaccine that produces spike proteins, if the mutation is in the spike protein, it is possible for the vaccine to be less effective against the new strain.
However, it is also possible for it to be fine -- as the mutation might not change the way the immune system recognizes the spike protein.
Even if a vaccine is affected by a mutation, it might still be mostly effective and thus worthwhile.
In the future, we'll probably be able to know by computer modelling without needing any testing.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on December 24, 2020, 07:24:50 AM
Third strain in Africa?
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: zack1234 on December 24, 2020, 07:28:40 AM
I am selling mouse milk for $45 for 6 drops.
It cures all varieties of covid from 19 to 24
It also cures rickets :old:
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: save on December 30, 2020, 11:31:00 AM
If there is more encouraging data about Ivermectin, I'll look forward to more media censorship and more media disinformation about it. Otherwise some plebians might be less motivated to get vaccinated. Your betters know what you should be allowed to read and to think. For your own good. :aok
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on January 03, 2021, 08:48:43 AM
As for case number count my gp stated he thinks each test is counted regardless if it is on the same person for the one specific covid case..
So each case could be counted 3 to 6 times depending on how many times that person is tested during their bout with it
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: guncrasher on January 03, 2021, 12:56:30 PM
As for case number count my gp stated he thinks each test is counted regardless if it is on the same person for the one specific covid case..
So each case could be counted 3 to 6 times depending on how many times that person is tested during their bout with it
Eagler
sounds kind of weird. all tested positive or negative for that day must be reported within 24 hours by labs.
testing sites do not report unless they also have a lab. around here if you want a fast test then it's 150 or so. free sites, they tell you 3 to 5 days but the majority is within 24 hours.
semp
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Shuffler on January 04, 2021, 12:48:51 AM
The main thing to remember, positive or negative could be wrong. None of the test are completely accurate.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: guncrasher on January 04, 2021, 01:00:47 AM
The main thing to remember, positive or negative could be wrong. None of the test are completely accurate.
ambiguous statement. but offers no proof that positive or negative could cancel each other. or positive are higher or lower
semp
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on January 04, 2021, 08:19:23 AM
See rule #14
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Spikes on January 04, 2021, 08:40:11 AM
See rule #14
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: zack1234 on January 04, 2021, 09:11:32 AM
See rule #14
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on January 04, 2021, 10:25:49 AM
See rule #14
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Arlo on January 04, 2021, 10:52:36 AM
See rule #4
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: guncrasher on January 04, 2021, 10:59:01 AM
See rule #14
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Spikes on January 04, 2021, 11:16:19 AM
See rule #14
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on January 04, 2021, 11:48:13 AM
See rule #14
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Shuffler on January 04, 2021, 12:26:09 PM
See rule #14
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 04, 2021, 12:33:48 PM
My trainer has a family member with a preexisting medical condition who took one of the vaccines. Apparently they already had covid aswell. She told me the vaccine has made him very sick. Will give updates but that's all I have for now.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: guncrasher on January 04, 2021, 12:45:32 PM
he's got covid19 and got the vaccine? and the vaccine made him sick but not covid19.
strange.
semp
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Mister Fork on January 04, 2021, 01:08:51 PM
See rule #14
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 04, 2021, 01:13:37 PM
he's got covid19 and got the vaccine? and the vaccine made him sick but not covid19.
strange.
semp
No, he already had covid in 2020. Not sure when. Not while he got the vaccine.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: guncrasher on January 04, 2021, 01:16:04 PM
actually I made my decision based on the nurses and doctors my wife knows. they're getting vaccinated and they say it's at most a little discomfort. they haven't seen anybody get ill from it.
semp
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: guncrasher on January 04, 2021, 01:18:29 PM
actually I made my decision based on the nurses and doctors my wife knows. they're getting vaccinated and they say it's at most a little discomfort. they haven't seen anybody get ill from it.
semp
Ahh good... I have not seen anyone get ill from covid as of yet. :D
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: guncrasher on January 04, 2021, 02:00:49 PM
Most credible thing I've posted as its coming from someone I know personally who knows them personally. Was surprised to hear it myself personally.
I personally don't doubt that you post what was mentioned to you. I doubt your friend's story.
my wife was a nurse and was very respected because she was a great nurse always went well above what was expected of her. so she gets treated like royalty, I'm not kidding. I'm known not by my name but as her husband, so i get treated well.
having said that we know lots of doctors and nurses. so that's where we get a lot of info.
anyway back to your friend's story. he was already positive so is highly unlikely that he got the vaccine as for more it's reserved for first responders and people in nursing hospitals.
so if he got lucky and got the vaccine and the vaccine got him sick while the actual covid19 didn't. I find that very hard to believe.
semp
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 04, 2021, 05:02:24 PM
I personally don't doubt that you post what was mentioned to you. I doubt your friend's story.
my wife was a nurse and was very respected because she was a great nurse always went well above what was expected of her. so she gets treated like royalty, I'm not kidding. I'm known not by my name but as her husband, so i get treated well.
having said that we know lots of doctors and nurses. so that's where we get a lot of info.
anyway back to your friend's story. he was already positive so is highly unlikely that he got the vaccine as for more it's reserved for first responders and people in nursing hospitals.
so if he got lucky and got the vaccine and the vaccine got him sick while the actual covid19 didn't. I find that very hard to believe.
semp
You can doubt all want. I'm just saying what she told me, and she's an honest person.
A. He already got covid I assume months ago. I never said he didn't feel symptoms. B. He has some sort of preexisting condition I can't remember, but apparently that allowed him to get the vaccine. C. The vaccine made him feel sick. I am not sure how sick. I will ask her more tomorrow.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: guncrasher on January 04, 2021, 06:02:01 PM
You can doubt all want. I'm just saying what she told me, and she's an honest person.
A. He already got covid I assume months ago. I never said he didn't feel symptoms. B. He has some sort of preexisting condition I can't remember, but apparently that allowed him to get the vaccine. C. The vaccine made him feel sick. I am not sure how sick. I will ask her more tomorrow.
that's fair the more info we get the more we know. :aok
semp
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Oldman731 on January 04, 2021, 08:58:39 PM
My son is a doctor doing his fellowship at a well-known hospital in NYC. All of his compadres got vaccinated while he was home at Christmas. All of them complained of huge headaches, muscle aches, occasionally nausea. Lasted about 36 hours. He hasn't had a chance to get his vaccination yet.
He told us tonight that there may be an (anecdotal) difference in reaction based on age. Young people get worse reactions than older people, so it seems. I told him that was because we're tougher.
As with most Covid things, we're just beginning to get data. Ten years from now we'll probably know more.
- oldman
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: TyFoo on January 05, 2021, 12:12:50 AM
I’ll add two more cents.
My friend is a Surgical nurse and got the Moderna vac. last week. He had “hydraulic issues” stomachs ache, fatigue, localized swelling, and his arm hurt for two days. After that he was fine. He worked both days and didn’t miss a beat. His wife works for the same Hospital and was Vaccinated yesterday and had a “sore” arm today.
My wife was vaccinated Saturday w/ Moderna (different hospital) than our friends. The only side effect was the next day - she could definitely feel the pain in her arm. She said anytime she would turn around quickly she could definitely feel it - like a Charlie horse. Lasted about 24hrs+ and today she didn’t feel a thing. She was vaccinated w/ 5 other people from her clinic and they saw each other at work today and everybody experienced the same arm pain w/ no other side effects.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: NatCigg on January 05, 2021, 01:29:07 AM
I know 3 that got moderna. All is well.
There is no covid in the moderna vaccine. So you can not get covid from the shot.
You can read up on mrna vaccines. They are different than traditional vaccine that would use a inactive virus.
As one doctor put it. We could give out peanuts and run into more problems than we are seeing with these vaccines.
:salute
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: NatCigg on January 05, 2021, 01:37:36 AM
that's fair the more info we get the more we know. :aok
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Talked to her again today. It was her brother actually. He has Multiple sclerosis and works at a hospital. Took the Pfizer shot. Said he felt really sick the first 2 days. Seems to be doing better now. Said he tested positive for covid 2 -3 months ago for his job but didn't actually feel sick. So yeah, the shot definitely makes you feel some type of way early on.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Spikes on January 05, 2021, 08:37:32 AM
Talked to her again today. It was her brother actually. He has Multiple sclerosis and works at a hospital. Took the Pfizer shot. Said he felt really sick the first 2 days. Seems to be doing better now. Said he tested positive for covid 2 -3 months ago for his job but didn't actually feel sick. So yeah, the shot definitely makes you feel some type of way early on.
I'm not surprised TBH. Seeing how vastly different covid seems to affect people. A few nurses I know who have had the shot have all experienced various stuff too. One was 100% fine, another felt sick/sore for a day and couldn't sleep through the first couple nights.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: NatCigg on January 05, 2021, 09:40:55 AM
As we evaluate the risk...
A: the unknown vaccine could cause a allergic reaction, or worse the unknown.
B: accept you want everyone to naturally endure the virus with well known dangers including the radical types of damage a virus does. Pressure on every organ and system that often leads numerous short term and long term dysfunctions that will change your life.
P.s. Like other diseases, there is a chance we can get rid of this virus within a decade.
The argument is heavily weighted to one side, given the data we have now, imo.
:salute
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: Eagler on January 05, 2021, 10:06:05 AM
How are they testing the effective life of the vaccine?
Do they have a vaccinated study group they expose to the virus to see when they can become infected again?
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: NatCigg on January 05, 2021, 10:23:40 AM
They give volunteers a shot, maybe it is salt water maybe it is a vaccine. They wait until a certain amount of people get sick. Then unblind the study to find out how many of the sick got the vaccine.
No covid injection or gas chamber is used, that I know of.
Johnson and Johnson lowered the enrollment of the study so they dont have to wait of as many to get sick before they look at data.
Title: Re: Covid Vaccine
Post by: NatCigg on January 05, 2021, 10:30:19 AM