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Title: Roe Overturned
Post by: FLS on June 24, 2022, 09:20:24 AM
As with New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, most people won't see any practical changes unless they live in a state with restrictions.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: nopoop on June 24, 2022, 09:33:49 AM
......and let the riots begin.
Bet me.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: FLS on June 24, 2022, 09:35:02 AM
First they have to agree on which costumes to wear this time. :aok
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 24, 2022, 09:51:37 AM
I've not been following this very much, but from what I've heard this is just basically tossing the decision whether to allow abortions or not to the individual states?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Eagler on June 24, 2022, 09:57:38 AM
That is all it is but will be the next excuse for floyd style peaceful protest riots, burning and looting ...
And this administration will just add gas to those fires sadly
Eagler
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: nopoop on June 24, 2022, 10:09:26 AM
And pelosi wants it to deflect from the train wreck potato heads rein of power as she just shared with her media..
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: CptTrips on June 24, 2022, 10:31:38 AM
I've not been following this very much, but from what I've heard this is just basically tossing the decision whether to allow abortions or not to the individual states?
Yes.
It's not a hot button issue for me, but I suspect that despite their talk, this is NOT a hot potato the states really wanted in their lap.
If the R's ever had a hope of recovering the professional suburbs after the Orange Pig-God was gone, that's over now. The mobile home, snake-handling, hayseeds will love it though. I suspect it will prove a pyric victory. Dems should send Alito flowers and a box of chocolate.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 24, 2022, 10:43:30 AM
I've not been following this very much, but from what I've heard this is just basically tossing the decision whether to allow abortions or not to the individual states?
Unless I misread the ruling, there is nothing stopping Congress from passing laws regulating abortion. The ruling simply acknowledges that Roe V Wade was judicial overreach and returns the power to the legislature. Now it is up to the States and / or Federal legislatures to makes laws regarding abortion which is essentially returning the right of the decision to the Citizens.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: FLS on June 24, 2022, 11:26:21 AM
It was federal judicial overreach so now it's back under state jurisdiction. No federal law can compel a state to allow abortions.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Mister Fork on June 24, 2022, 11:29:14 AM
Unless I misread the ruling, there is nothing stopping Congress from passing laws regulating abortion. The ruling simply acknowledges that Roe V Wade was judicial overreach and returns the power to the legislature. Now it is up to the States and / or Federal legislatures to makes laws regarding abortion which is essentially returning the right of the decision to the Citizens.
Interesting that during their appointment deliberations before congress, those same judges were 'all about the sanctity of 'Roe vs Wade' only to LIE about their intent. As a Lincoln Republican, the current GOP has lost the plot.
And ya'll forgot why Roe vs Wade came into play BECAUSE the states weren't protecting women's right to abortion. To say "well, now it's up to the individual states..." is why we had Roe vs Wade. FFS.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2022, 11:34:10 AM
Interesting that during their appointment deliberations before congress, those same judges were 'all about the sanctity of 'Roe vs Wade' only to LIE about their intent. As a Lincoln Republican, the current GOP has lost the plot.
And ya'll forgot why Roe vs Wade came into play BECAUSE the states weren't protecting women's right to abortion. To say "well, now it's up to the individual states..." is why we had Roe vs Wade. FFS.
How dare you present clarity. That was never the intention of this thread. :)
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 24, 2022, 11:41:03 AM
Interesting that during their appointment deliberations before congress, those same judges were 'all about the sanctity of 'Roe vs Wade' only to LIE about their intent. As a Lincoln Republican, the current GOP has lost the plot.
And ya'll forgot why Roe vs Wade came into play BECAUSE the states weren't protecting women's right to abortion. To say "well, now it's up to the individual states..." is why we had Roe vs Wade. FFS.
Just because you think it is a Constitutional right does not make it so. There is nothing preventing Congress from passing laws affecting abortion is there?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: FLS on June 24, 2022, 11:41:44 AM
Interesting that during their appointment deliberations before congress, those same judges were 'all about the sanctity of 'Roe vs Wade' only to LIE about their intent. As a Lincoln Republican, the current GOP has lost the plot.
And ya'll forgot why Roe vs Wade came into play BECAUSE the states weren't protecting women's right to abortion. To say "well, now it's up to the individual states..." is why we had Roe vs Wade. FFS.
Regardless of popularity the constitution doesn't allow it. Abortion isn't banned. Most states just have reasonable restrictions when you don't want your baby born.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: CptTrips on June 24, 2022, 11:42:16 AM
Interesting that during their appointment deliberations before congress, those same judges were 'all about the sanctity of 'Roe vs Wade' only to LIE about their intent. As a Lincoln Republican, the current GOP has lost the plot.
And ya'll forgot why Roe vs Wade came into play BECAUSE the states weren't protecting women's right to abortion. To say "well, now it's up to the individual states..." is why we had Roe vs Wade. FFS.
I've never been rabid on either side of this issue. Generally I prefer the idea of things being handled at the state level.
But I guess my first thought is, should slavery be decided at the state level?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2022, 11:42:53 AM
Just because you think it is a Constitutional right does not make it so. There is nothing preventing Congress from passing laws affecting abortion is there?
What do you think the SCOTUS would do, in turn?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2022, 11:44:06 AM
I've never been rabid on either side of this issue. Generally I prefer the idea of things being handled at the state level.
But I guess my first thought is, should slavery be decided at the state level?
The difference is that the constitution gives the federal government power over one but not the other. Prior to the Civil War deciding that authority issue, slavery was up to the states.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: 1Cane on June 24, 2022, 11:54:11 AM
What happens to the $500000000 of federal dollars Planned Parenthood is getting? :x :x :x
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2022, 12:01:13 PM
The difference is that the constitution gives the federal government power over one but not the other. Prior to the Civil War deciding that authority issue, slavery was up to the states.
And prior to overturning Roe Vs. Wade?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: CptTrips on June 24, 2022, 12:03:25 PM
The difference is that the constitution gives the federal government power over one but not the other.
So you are saying the congress would not have power to pass legislation protecting abortion? How could they if the federal government has no power over that?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Shuffler on June 24, 2022, 12:31:42 PM
The liberals making threats will find adults a lot harder to murder than babies.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2022, 12:34:44 PM
So you are saying the congress would not have power to pass legislation protecting abortion? How could they if the federal government has no power over that?
Did you read the ruling? What statements in the majority opinion gave you reason to believe that Congress can not act or a Constitutional Amendment can not be enacted?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 24, 2022, 12:37:50 PM
Did you read the ruling? What statements in the majority opinion gave you reason to believe that Congress can not act or a Constitutional Amendment can not be enacted?
The difference is that the constitution gives the federal government power over one but not the other.
So how can Congress make a law regarding abortion if as FLS said the Federal government has no authority over abortion?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: CptTrips on June 24, 2022, 12:57:40 PM
First abortion, next contraception. ;)
Once you abandon Stare Decisis, all things are possible. :rofl
I guess that's my main beef with this stuff. Stare Decisis is fundamentally a Conservative principal. Abandonment of Stare Decisis is extremist. Despite recent fads, right-wing extremism is NOT the same thing as Conservatism. Those are two different things.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 24, 2022, 12:58:36 PM
Once you abandon Stare Decisis, all things are possible. :rofl
I guess that's my main beef with this stuff. Stare Decisis is fundamentally a Conservative principal. Abandonment of Stare Decisis is extremist. Despite recent fads, right-wing extremism is NOT the same thing as Conservatism. Those are two different things.
So you are saying that Plessy v. Ferguson should not have been overruled? Is it safe to say that other factors come into play?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: FLS on June 24, 2022, 01:06:24 PM
So you are saying the congress would not have power to pass legislation protecting abortion? How could they if the federal government has no power over that?
It's a power left to the states. They will make a show and maybe do something that sounds good like #support abortion.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: CptTrips on June 24, 2022, 01:11:03 PM
So you are saying that Plessy v. Ferguson should not have been overruled? Is it safe to say that other factors come into play?
I'm saying extremism isn't the same as conservatism. And now that the court is packed with extremists, they apparently see no limit to extremist activism. Seeing no limit to overturning precedents across the board is not a Conservative impulse.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: FLS on June 24, 2022, 01:11:31 PM
It was an invalid law because it was repugnant to the constitution. Even Ginsburg said that it had problems but she didn't put the rule of law first which is the only job of the Supreme Court.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: CptTrips on June 24, 2022, 01:14:50 PM
So you are saying a Constitutional amendment can not be passed?
But you said Congress can act OR constitutional amendment be passed. Were you not implying Congress could act simply by legislation?
So just to clarify, do you think Congress has the power to pass legislation (that won't be over-turned) protecting abortion rights. Or are you saying only a constitutional amendment can do that?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 24, 2022, 01:15:47 PM
I'm saying extremism isn't the same as conservatism. And now that the court is packed with extremists, they apparently see no limit to extremist activism. Seeing no limit to overturning precedents across the board is not a Conservative impulse.
Because you label something "extremist" does not make in fact extremist. It's your opinion.
Looking at the other side of your opinion, is a Supreme Court judge being a Constitutionalist an example of extremism? It kinda seems to me that the people we appoint to be the gate keepers of the Constitution should be Constitutionalists. So, having a SC judge say that our laws should be based on Constitutional merit instead of idealistically driven activism is a long way from extremism.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: CptTrips on June 24, 2022, 01:17:28 PM
Because you label something "extremist" does not make in fact extremist. It's your opinion.
Looking at the other side of your opinion, is a Supreme Court judge being a Constitutionalist an example of extremism? It kinda seems to me that the people we appoint to be the gate keepers of the Constitution should be Constitutionalists. So, having a SC judge say that our laws should be based on Constitutional merit instead of idealistically driven activism is a long way from extremism.
So just to clarify, do you think Congress has the power to pass legislation (that won't be over-turned) protecting abortion rights. Or are you saying only a constitutional amendment can do that?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: FLS on June 24, 2022, 01:21:18 PM
There is no abortion right. It's an abuse of language. There are legal and moral issues with abortion but the right at issue is the right to life. The right to life of the mother is a common pro-abortion argument but the reality of 65 million abortions it that they're mostly for convenience. The right of the father to the life of his child never even enters the conversation.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2022, 01:22:32 PM
It was an invalid law because it was repugnant to the constitution. Even Ginsburg said that it had problems but she didn't put the rule of law first which is the only job of the Supreme Court.
Roe vs. Wade was a ruling on the legality of state law. It, itself, wasn't a law. SCOTUS can't pass laws. SCOTUS rules on the legality/legitimacy of laws. The politicized right wing justices all said that RvW was set precedent that they had to interest in during their confirmation hearings, indicating its legitimacy. Then, all of a sudden, it was brought up out of the blue by them to be overturned without a challenge from outside.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2022, 01:25:53 PM
Because you label something "extremist" does not make in fact extremist. It's your opinion.
Looking at the other side of your opinion, is a Supreme Court judge being a Constitutionalist an example of extremism? It kinda seems to me that the people we appoint to be the gate keepers of the Constitution should be Constitutionalists. So, having a SC judge say that our laws should be based on Constitutional merit instead of idealistically driven activism is a long way from extremism.
Claiming to be a 'Constitutionalist' does not actually equate to being one. Yes, those type of extremists exist.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 24, 2022, 01:27:06 PM
So just to clarify, do you think Congress has the power to pass legislation (that won't be over-turned) protecting abortion rights. Or are you saying only a constitutional amendment can do that?
I have downloaded but not yet read the 213 pg decision so I'm not 100% clear on the court's opinion. I'm certain the court would agree that a constitutional amendment would indeed make it a right. From what I understand so far, both Congress and state legislatures can now pass laws regarding abortion. I personally don't have a problem with either though I would prefer it be handled at the state level as Congress has massively overstepped States rights on most every matter.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2022, 01:28:43 PM
There is no abortion right. It's an abuse of language. There are legal and moral issues with abortion but the right at issue is the right to life. The right to life of the mother is a common pro-abortion argument but the reality of 65 million abortions it that they're mostly for convenience. The right of the father to the life of his child never even enters the conversation.
Is there a right to your being able to make decisions over your body? Is it different for women than men? Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: FLS on June 24, 2022, 01:36:21 PM
Roe vs. Wade was a ruling on the lagility of state law. It, itself, wasn't a law. SCOTUS can't pass laws. SCOTUS rules on the legality/legitimacy of laws. The politicized right wing justices all said that RvW was set precedent that they had to interest in during their confirmation hearings, indicating its legitimacy. Then, all of a sudden, it was brought up out of the blue by them to be overturned without a challenge from outside.
Yes it was a ruling, not a law, if you need to quibble. The rule of law is why it was overturned.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: FLS on June 24, 2022, 01:37:25 PM
Just because you think it is a Constitutional right does not make it so. There is nothing preventing Congress from passing laws affecting abortion is there?
If there is no majority, there is no possibility.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: JimmyD3 on June 24, 2022, 01:41:59 PM
At what point does the babies life become the dominate issue? Women don't want babies? Fine, don't spread your legs, or at least use contraceptives.
Or get raped ... by stranger or relative. Or have medical issues that threaten the mother or fetus' life (regardless of how badly motherhood was desired).
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: nopoop on June 24, 2022, 01:46:53 PM
So you would be in favor of allowing abortion in the cases of rape or incest?
And is a morning after pill abortion if the egg has already been fertilized? How would the woman know? Quick scan says the egg can be fertilized as soon as 3 min or as long as 5 days.
Is a morning after pill abortion?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: FLS on June 24, 2022, 01:50:44 PM
So you would be in favor of allowing abortion in the cases of rape or incest?
And is a morning after pill abortion if the egg has already been fertilized? How would the woman know? Quick scan says the egg can be fertilized as soon as 3 min or as long as 5 days.
Is a morning after pill abortion?
Well, FLS?
Rape and Incest? Morning after pill after fertilization?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Shuffler on June 24, 2022, 04:28:49 PM
Can I take it to mean YES abortion should be allowed in cases of rape and incest?
And is the morning after pill abortion? The egg can very likely have been fertilized.
Did you want me to argue no abortions? I haven't taken that position. I think the states can decide those issues and generally they make exceptions for special cases.
Roe was about federal power over the states. Abortion is once again a local issue.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 24, 2022, 05:00:43 PM
What I have learned from this thread is that Arlo is a very low IQ individual.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2022, 05:05:14 PM
What I have learned from this thread is that Arlo is a very low IQ individual.
I'm learning you have a learning deficiency.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: FLS on June 24, 2022, 05:09:04 PM
You can always tell the low IQ people, but you can't tell them much.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: guncrasher on June 24, 2022, 05:25:53 PM
low iq people, how many of you have been tested?
on another news, your miranda rights also went away, based on a statement when somebody said "give me my lawyer, dawg". the supreme court said it meant "lawyer dog".
if only the supreme court had an iq test.
semp
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Robbler on June 24, 2022, 06:53:50 PM
Personally, I am 100% anti-abortion. In a perfect world of responsible behavior and non-perverted folks, they would almost never occur. But, that is not the world we live in. The craziness of the fact that the right is so gung-ho about babies until they are born and need welfare and foodstamps blows my mind. I know it's a talking point, but it's also a fact. Religion is going to be the downfall of all of us, well that and the Bish cheat codes.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: RotBaron on June 24, 2022, 06:55:41 PM
Does nothing more than let the issue be decided by each state.
But of course get all outraged at the nothing burger to justify your rioting, looting, and violence this night and all summer. Do Master Soros proud.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 24, 2022, 07:03:54 PM
There was also something about appointing a new judge but it was too close to an election in 2016. About face for 2020 by the Repubs on that.
Staking the SC court refers to adding new judges in order to swing the other way. By adding judges I mean adding additional judges. There's no limit to the amount of judges that are on the supreme Court. You can almost bet the Democrats are going to try to do this. Stack in the supreme Court isn't what you think it is.
Trump did his nominee judges which is what any president does when openings occur.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 24, 2022, 07:08:48 PM
Staking the SC court refers to adding new judges in order to swing the other way. By adding judges I mean adding additional judges. There's no limit to the amount of judges that are on the supreme Court. You can almost bet the Democrats are going to try to do this. Stack in the supreme Court isn't what you think it is.
Trump did his nominee judges which is what any president does when openings occur.
You are trying to reason with someone who has no interest in reason.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 24, 2022, 07:10:35 PM
Staking the SC court refers to adding new judges in order to swing the other way. By adding judges I mean adding additional judges. There's no limit to the amount of judges that are on the supreme Court. You can almost bet the Democrats are going to try to do this. Stack in the supreme Court isn't what you think it is.
Trump did his nominee judges which is what any president does when openings occur.
The selective memory for you as well.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 24, 2022, 07:14:12 PM
Staking the SC court refers to adding new judges in order to swing the other way. By adding judges I mean adding additional judges. There's no limit to the amount of judges that are on the supreme Court. You can almost bet the Democrats are going to try to do this. Stack in the supreme Court isn't what you think it is.
Trump did his nominee judges which is what any president does when openings occur.
Stacking the court is the act of making sure you have a majority of politically biased judges that will make rulings along party ideology/bias. It need not be accomplished via adding seats. It can be accomplished by refusing to consider the nomination of a candidate through spurious reasoning then flipping said reasoning once a different president of the 'right' flavor is in office. Mitch pulled that one off.
Please don't pretend you didn't know that (or continue to ignore that). :)
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2022, 07:16:59 PM
FDR added seats, yes (not a secret). Nobody has since ... but Republicans are scared shirtless over the possibility if they fail to regain a sufficient majority. Never mind that a case for multiple judicial impeachments quite likely exists now.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2022, 07:27:56 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/T1YACqS.png)
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 24, 2022, 07:28:26 PM
The first judiciary act was passed in 1789 when the Supreme Court itself was set up, and it established six as the number of members. In the earliest court structure, the number of justices corresponded to the number of judicial circuits. The Judiciary Act of 1789 established three circuit courts for the new United States, and each circuit would be manned by two Supreme Court judges who would ride the circuit for part of the year, and be based in the then-capital of Philadelphia the rest of the time.
After Thomas Jefferson won the controversial election of 1800, the lame-duck Federalist Congress didn't want him to be able to select a new judicial appointment. They passed a new Judiciary Act, reducing the court to five after the next vacancy. The following year, Congress repealed that Federalist bill and returned the number to six.
Over the next century and a half, as circuits were added without much discussion, so were Supreme Court members. In 1807, the number of circuit courts and justices was set at seven; in 1837, nine; and in 1863, the 10th circuit court was added for California and the number of both circuits and justices became 10.
Stacking the court is the act of making sure you have a majority of politically biased judges that will make rulings along party ideology/bias. It need not be accomplished via adding seats. It can be accomplished by refusing to consider the nomination of a candidate through spurious reasoning then flipping said reasoning once a different president of the 'right' flavor is in office. Mitch pulled that one off.
Please don't pretend you didn't know that (or continue to ignore that). :)
As I said, they have selective memories.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: RotBaron on June 24, 2022, 08:00:31 PM
Blame ruth for being so arrogant as not to exit while 0 was in...
Shes the same kind of piece of poop as O was. More concerned about their legacy than their constituency, and in the end that is all they be remembered as, selfish LOSERS.
On second thought, I think I leave a hot duece on her grave, that retched woman.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2022, 08:12:01 PM
Shes the same kind of piece of poop as O was. More concerned about their legacy than their constituency, and in the end that is all they be remembered as, selfish LOSERS.
On second thought, I think I leave a hot duece on her grave, that retched woman.
Make sure you do it during business hours so you can see.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: RotBaron on June 24, 2022, 08:12:47 PM
To all of the Americans here that support abortion here, would you support ridding of laws that allow prosecutors to seek penalties for multiple deaths when a pregnant woman is killed?
For example: all of the people that murdered pregnant women and were convicted of double homicide, do you think that was wrong and you would support a re-trial for just a single count of murder?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 24, 2022, 08:14:14 PM
To all of the Americans here that support abortion here, would you support ridding of laws that allow prosecutors to seek penalties for multiple deaths when a pregnant woman is killed?
For example: all of the people that murdered pregnant women and were convicted of double homicide, do you think that was wrong and you would support a re-trial for just a single count of murder?
You're confusing pro-choice with 'pro-abortion.'
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: knorB on June 24, 2022, 08:21:43 PM
No just more versed on the subject than you appear to be.
Stacking of the court means creating additional judge seats. Adding more judges. That's what stacking the court means. Adding more supreme Court judges in addition to how many there are now. Why don't you look it up or read a book?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 24, 2022, 08:23:16 PM
I don't have to be continually doing check 6s looking for some killer or mugger that is going to attack me.
You won't believe it but Canada is freer than the USA, so why would I be jealous. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/these-are-the-world-s-freest-countries-in-2019.html#:~:text=These%20are%20the%20World%27s%20Freest%20Countries%20in%202019,Finland.%20...%209%20Denmark.%20...%2010%20Norway.%20
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2022, 08:24:00 PM
No just more versed on the subject than you appear to be.
Stacking of the court means creating additional judge seats. Adding more judges. That's what stacking the court means. Adding more supreme Court judges in addition to how many there are now. Why don't you look it up or read a book?
Or not ...
"What does it mean to pack the courts, is it the appropriate response and would it make the courts less of a partisan battleground issue?
People often use "court packing" to describe changes to the size of the Supreme Court, but it's better understood as any effort to manipulate the Court's membership for partisan ends. A political party that's engaged in court packing will usually violate norms that govern who is appointed (e.g., only appoint jurists who respect precedent) and how the appointment process works (e.g., no appointments during a presidential election).
Seen from this perspective, the Barrett appointment is classic court packing. The president nominated a hardline conservative who appears to question major parts of U.S. constitutional law. And the Senate majority changed its procedural rules – invented to deny Merrick Garland a hearing – to ram through the nomination as people were voting."
https://www.rutgers.edu/news/what-court-packing
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 24, 2022, 08:34:34 PM
"What does it mean to pack the courts, is it the appropriate response and would it make the courts less of a partisan battleground issue?
People often use "court packing" to describe changes to the size of the Supreme Court, but it's better understood as any effort to manipulate the Court's membership for partisan ends. A political party that's engaged in court packing will usually violate norms that govern who is appointed (e.g., only appoint jurists who respect precedent) and how the appointment process works (e.g., no appointments during a presidential election).
Seen from this perspective, the Barrett appointment is classic court packing. The president nominated a hardline conservative who appears to question major parts of U.S. constitutional law. And the Senate majority changed its procedural rules – invented to deny Merrick Garland a hearing – to ram through the nomination as people were voting."
https://www.rutgers.edu/news/what-court-packing
Quoting partisan hackery does not justify redefining terminology.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2022, 08:35:57 PM
I don't have to be continually doing check 6s looking for some killer or mugger that is going to attack me.
You won't believe it but Canada is freer than the USA, so why would I be jealous. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/these-are-the-world-s-freest-countries-in-2019.html#:~:text=These%20are%20the%20World%27s%20Freest%20Countries%20in%202019,Finland.%20...%209%20Denmark.%20...%2010%20Norway.%20
I don’t either :headscratch:
But, thank you for hockey Terrance or are you more Phillip?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 24, 2022, 08:44:14 PM
Who knew taking away the “right” to murder would cause so much upheaval :headscratch:
Or taking away one's own right to make their own decision over their body/reproductive rights. Is the whole world on fire?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 24, 2022, 09:21:22 PM
Planned parenthood is one of the largest democrat rackets to collect "donation" money. Easily one of the largest scams on the planet.
After 3 months, unless the woman's health is in jeopardy. Its clearly sick and deranged. It's actually pretty sick to me that abortion is such a major "issue" for the democrats. Is murdering babies really that important? The Eugenicist Satanist sure want it to be. I think they make a lot of money selling baby parts for "science". I think it's much sicker than we know. You know it's sick when they have to prosecute a guy who exposed planned parenthood for their disgusting ethical practices. It just shows how sick our cultural "leaders" have become. It's almost like they are aliens. Convincing woman to kill their babies like it's a natural part of life. How deranged.
(https://i.ibb.co/V2scNN8/mo-Sn-U1-TDP8f-H.jpg)
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: RotBaron on June 24, 2022, 09:27:47 PM
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: nopoop on June 24, 2022, 10:51:41 PM
The pill, an IUD would and should cut down on the 629,000 abortions last year. 629 THOUSAND. Thats more than the population of the town I moved out of..
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: zack1234 on June 25, 2022, 02:35:52 AM
It’s a disgrace!
How will the the lower orders be thinned out now?
Your masters are fuming
Don Lemon your political commentator is not too pleased.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: RotBaron on June 25, 2022, 04:15:50 AM
They are absolutely deranged and confused but retain incredible manipulative qualities, at least the leaders do. You know, the ones who make cushy lifestyles out of the donations supposedly going to their “causes” and “movements”. Their minion peons are the ones destroying property, intimidating citizens, breaking other laws to draw attention to their derangement.
In this case, they’ve convinced those who refuse to think for themselves that what SCOTUS ruled actually has made this vile procedure illegal and taken away their “right”. They’re too manipulated to even think and read Justice’s ruling, but of course that’s exactly how their puppeteers want them.
Remember these are the same people (in most cases) who oppose the death penalty because it’s barbaric and the murderer will feel pain while being put to death. Those who founded this country and risked their lives (and family) to do so sure didn’t think hanging or firing squad was cruel or unusual.
Somehow in their warped mind the death penalty is barbaric, but vacuuming out a baby of it’s mother’s uterus while in agony is their “choice” and “right” to do 🤢 🤮
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Shuffler on June 25, 2022, 05:51:18 AM
Burning flags and attacking businesses because the laws have been passed back to the states. They will find it much harder to kill adults than it was to kill their children.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 25, 2022, 06:19:58 AM
You presume the purpose which might merely reveal your own. But only you know for sure. :)
No one is going to accuse you of being emotionally mature.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Eagler on June 25, 2022, 06:30:12 AM
All life/lives are precious and matter...not just the ones for latest political gain...
And life begins at conception...if you don't believe that the discussion stops there.
Our abortion laws are out of control...anyone for dismemberment late term abortion except in very extreme save the mothers life last resort is just sick
But sadly that happens regularly in some states
But you can't have your cake and eat it too...
If your side is anti abortion then it should be anti death penalty too..
If its anti death penalty then it has to be anti abortion...
As I said all life is sacred and precious...that means all
The commandment states "not kill"..
Doesn't say "but unless..."
It much more expensive to have babies no one wants or can afford as it is to house a murderous creep but if our world is to evolve, expand and continue the march towards civility we have to take these steps IMO
See the crazies protesting the loss of the ability to murder their babies as not the direction sane people take..
Just the latest tool to divide us
Eagler
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 25, 2022, 06:54:41 AM
The pill, an IUD would and should cut down on the 629,000 abortions last year. 629 THOUSAND. Thats more than the population of the town I moved out of..
Birth control is the next thing the Repubs are going after. Read what Thomas said.
RotBaron, I don't have to carry as my streets are safe.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: CptTrips on June 25, 2022, 08:12:49 AM
Regardless of where you fall on the issue (I guess I'm somewhere in the middle), one thing is for sure; the Dems have solved their enthusiasm gap problem for the mid-terms.
Alito just handed the Dems a gift beyond price. My guess is that inflation isn't going to be the hottest topic between now and Nov. Perfect timing.
Like I said, Pelosi should send Alito flowers and a box of chocolate.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Eagler on June 25, 2022, 08:13:06 AM
Regardless of where you fall on the issue (I guess I'm somewhere in the middle), one thing is for sure; the Dems have solved their enthusiasm gap problem for the mid-terms.
Alito just handed the Dems a gift beyond price. My guess is that inflation isn't going to be the hottest topic between now and Nov. Perfect timing.
Like I said, Pelosi should send Alito flowers and a box of chocolate.
Seriously?
I see the media trying but if baby killing rights are more important to the majority than the coming recession we deserve the depression that follows it
Eagler
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: knorB on June 25, 2022, 08:16:09 AM
Long way till Nov. If you don't have the gas to go buy the even higher inflated priced groceries.
Well, we'll see. I think inflation will be starting to trend better by Nov. This issue will only be ramping up further.
Regardless, there is no rational way you could say this isn't a HIGHLY motivating issue for the Dems. And the biggest problem they were facing was Dems having an enthusiasm gap to get their troops to show up at the polls in Nov. That has suddenly been solved. And Dems will be more motivated by this issue than annoyed by inflation. I'm not suggesting this will convert any Republicans. ;) Though there might be a significant number of moderate Republican women that won't like this and just might stay home in Nov.
The R's still have the trend\structural advantage in the mid-terms, but it's now a toss-up instead of a walk-away.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: knorB on June 25, 2022, 09:15:45 AM
Well, we'll see. I think inflation will be starting to trend better by Nov. This issue will only be ramping up further.
Regardless, there is no rational way you could say this isn't a HIGHLY motivating issue for the Dems. And the biggest problem they were facing was Dems having an enthusiasm gap to get their troops to show up at the polls in Nov. That has suddenly been solved. And Dems will be more motivated by this issue than annoyed by inflation. I'm not suggesting this will convert any Republicans. ;) Though there might be a significant number of moderate Republican women that won't like this and just might stay home in Nov.
The R's still have the trend\structural advantage in the mid-terms, but it's now a toss-up instead of a walk-away.
Ohh I agree we will see how this plays out. It is a long time to maintain that amount of rage, though. This Inflation thing is not going to go away any time soon. The next hit is otw come late summer, early fall.
As for moderate repub women, they will be more worried about feeding the kids they already have and putting gas in the minivan to get to the soccer game.
Not to mention their decimated 401Ks.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: CptTrips on June 25, 2022, 09:28:36 AM
As for moderate repub women, they will be more worried about feeding the kids they already have and putting gas in the minivan to get to the soccer game.
I'm not saying inflation won't be any part of the conversation, I'm just saying for women (51% of the electorate) this issue might override all other considerations.
Again, the closest analog I can think of to help you understand the level of anger here for women is image the Feds came to your house to confiscate your guns. Do you really think in that case the prices of gas would be the higher ranked concern? Or supposed they tried to shut down all churches who they think have been propagating political views. You think evangelicals would be more interested in the price of eggs?
I'm not seeing protests like this over the high cost of ribeyes (although being on the Carnivore diet I'm considering it ;) ).
The words of Chris Morris, the author of the article.
The mature thing to do is to understand the underlying facts instead of posting low grade click bait to troll with. Not any different with Arlo's revised version of stacking the court.
We would all be better off if we didn't have to keep being dragged down by childish trolling.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: knorB on June 25, 2022, 09:31:36 AM
I'm not saying you are wrong, as it is well within the range of possibilities. We'll see come Nov how this plays out.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 25, 2022, 09:35:52 AM
No one is going to accuse you of being emotionally mature.
Projection doesn't excuse behavior. Luckily, the current lack of moderation allows for those that are too emotionally stunted to act out on the forum. Enjoy. Not like it matters. Surely -gg- will keep her two forums up and running, just in case, though. :aok
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: CptTrips on June 25, 2022, 09:37:11 AM
I'm not saying you are wrong, as it is well within the range of possibilities. We'll see come Nov how this plays out.
Agreed. At least unlike endless philosophical debates, it's a falsifiable thesis. ;)
One way or another we will see it in the numbers come Nov. I still give the R's better than even odds just because that is the statistical bias for first term mid-terms.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 25, 2022, 09:37:34 AM
Projection doesn't excuse behavior. Luckily, the current lack of moderation allows for those that are too emotionally stunted to act out on the forum. Enjoy. Not like it matters. Surely -gg- will keep her two forums up and running, just in case, though. :aok
Yes, you and milo both have been given a reprieve.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 25, 2022, 09:41:21 AM
Based on the restrictive modding in the past, pretty much everyone... I'm fine with productive conversations and would be happy with modding based on that.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: knorB on June 25, 2022, 09:46:15 AM
Based on the restrictive modding in the past, pretty much everyone... I'm fine with productive conversations and would be happy with modding based on that.
Odd, as I am quite sure CptTrips and I see things differently, and yet we can have a no poop flinging discussion.
Arlo/milo... not so much. I wonder what the variable is?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 25, 2022, 09:47:35 AM
Based on the restrictive modding in the past, pretty much everyone... I'm fine with productive conversations and would be happy with modding based on that.
Describe productive. Then apply it to both sides of the issue, the posters participating, and reassess please. Or just keep displaying a very broken bias while pretending to be righteous. :aok
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: knorB on June 25, 2022, 09:48:07 AM
Agreed. At least unlike endless philosophical debates, it's a falsifiable thesis. ;)
One way or another we will see it in the numbers come Nov. I still give the R's better than even odds just because that is the statistical bias for first term mid-terms.
Thanks for the civil back and forth. :aok
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 25, 2022, 09:48:45 AM
Odd, as I am quite sure CptTrips and I see things differently, and yet we can have a no poop flinging discussion.
Arlo/milo... not so much. I wonder what the variable is?
I know exactly. So do you. You should attempt at least some degree of humility. :old:
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 25, 2022, 09:49:39 AM
How do you guys know that there is no moderation right now? Maybe it's just that nobody is reporting anything?
Oh, just kidding. You know that Dale's inbox is full because of arlo's hall monitor reports. Deleting all of those is probably an hour of his day each day.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 25, 2022, 09:51:06 AM
Describe productive. Then apply it to both sides of the issue, the posters participating, and reassess please. Or just keep displaying a very broken bias while pretending to be righteous. :aok
I'll let your blatant trolling stand for itself. It does not undermine my point, in fact, it reinforces it.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: zack1234 on June 25, 2022, 09:52:25 AM
Apologise
I thought the Ukraine paranoia would last a bit longer.
Kimmel will let you know what to think.
If the lower orders want to destroy their young who am I to stop them.
Your masters don’t destroy their own fact.
Keeping your legs together stops getting a bun in the oven…fact
Women are outraged…..which is debatable.
I work I will ask my boss if I can demonstrate about being view as a object of desire by both men and women.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 25, 2022, 09:53:02 AM
I was thinking about calling Dale up and asking him if he would like me to moderate this place. I'll do it for free. I'd clean up this town.
Flush a few useless turds and the rest of us can talk like adults.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 25, 2022, 10:02:43 AM
Congrats, ya'll. The invasion was a success. Here's to more 'mature productivity' from all yas. Thanks for bringing it out is forum members that managed not to get flushed like ya'll did.
:salute :cheers:
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Eagler on June 25, 2022, 10:03:15 AM
I was thinking about calling Dale up and asking him if he would like me to moderate this place. I'll do it for free. I'd clean up this town.
Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 25, 2022, 10:07:23 AM
I would be willing to bet that if you open any thread here where Arlo participated, his very first post will be in derailment of the thread. Usually pointing out something about the person posting the thread. Either some minor grammar error or interjecting his unasked for observations on what was said. Completely unrelated to the subject.
Take a look at this thread. First post is a derailment of the thread.
So that's the kind of action that needs to be corrected around here. People like Arlo who badger other people and derail threads. They would be given warnings and then the boot under my watch.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 25, 2022, 10:08:28 AM
It might serve you well to fixate on me less. :old:
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 25, 2022, 10:26:04 AM
Seriously, the best way to clean up this place would probably be to look at the couple of people who complain about everything and report everything and just get rid of them. Problem solved. Everyone else is happy!
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 25, 2022, 10:33:00 AM
Seriously, the best way to clean up this place would probably be to look at the couple of people who complain about everything and report everything and just get rid of them. Problem solved. Everyone else is happy!
The best way to clean up is to hold the entire community to TOS. Me included. Much simpler than your desire. :old:
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 25, 2022, 10:39:25 AM
Under my rein, we'd be headed into untarded territory for sure!
:)
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 25, 2022, 10:45:50 AM
Your biggest problem is that you wish to 'reign' and not serve. Monitoring a forum related to a business with terms of service is actually a position with responsibilities that might inhibit your baser and darker instincts. Skuzzy understood that. I respected him for that. Seems some hated him for it. :old:
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 25, 2022, 10:54:49 AM
This place is a business. With that in mind, I'd limit the posting abilities of people who don't actually play the game. Cater more to the customer base rather than interweb blowhard busybodies who literally have no business here.
Right there, half the place is gone. Maybe just limit non customers to game-related forums.
Second.
The people who derail threads and "correct" others. The people who can't keep out of everyone else's business. The back-seat moderators.
So that's what, three people maybe?
:)
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 25, 2022, 11:04:36 AM
This place is a business. With that in mind, I'd limit the posting abilities of people who don't actually play the game. Cater more to the customer base rather than interweb blowhard busybodies who literally have no business here.
Right there, half the place is gone. Maybe just limit non customers to game-related forums.
Second.
The people who derail threads and "correct" others. The people who can't keep out of everyone else's business. The back-seat moderators.
So that's what, three people maybe?
:)
You're gonna hate this post, then, because you'll find the 'correction' (opposing viewpoint) unbearable (likely).
This forum serves both the game and the community. Players/former players have formed connections and serve a purpose beyond the game. Players may have gaps in their active accounts. Some members of this community even continue to contribute without playing.
Just eliminating your presumed half of the community does not provide the 'productive result' you imagine.
Don't you wonder what the impact of banning, let's say, Lusche might have on active players that are his friend and appreciate his continued input on game statistics?
I understand your desire but the reason behind it seems spurious. :cheers:
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Chris79 on June 25, 2022, 11:09:26 AM
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Lazerr on June 25, 2022, 11:13:32 AM
Some of you have to spend close to 40 hours a week in here, usually the same handful bickering at each other.
Life is short, go take a walk or something. Who gives a fjk about the opinion of someone in a community of a game with possibly the smallest player base out there. Or maybe take it to a larger audience rather than muddy this place up with your full time job.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 25, 2022, 11:20:29 AM
Some of you have to spend close to 40 hours a week in here, usually the same handful bickering at each other.
Life is short, go take a walk or something. Who gives a fjk about the opinion of someone in a community of a game with possibly the smallest player base out there. Or maybe take it to a larger audience rather than muddy this place up with your full time job.
Usually, having some physical disability to deal with, I'm multi-tasking with other computer related activity. But your point is well taken. While I still have decent vision left in my right eye perhaps I could use less distraction. But then, twenty year habits are sometimes hard to ditch (given my attempt to completely walk away from here a year ago). -gg- is kept outdoors doing physical labor more than me. I have to wonder if she does most of her posting via cell phone.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Chris79 on June 25, 2022, 11:21:51 AM
Usually, having some physical disability to deal with, I'm multi-tasking with other computer related activity. But your point is well taken. While I still have decent vision left in my right eye perhaps I could use less distraction. But then, twenty year habits are sometimes hard to ditch (given my attempt to completely walk away from here a year ago). -gg- is kept outdoors doing physical labor more than me. I have to wonder if she does most of her posting via cell phone.
whataboutism
Just speak for yourself and do not speculate on others situations, busybody.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 25, 2022, 11:26:19 AM
Just speak for yourself and do not speculate on others situations, busybody.
It was a minor aside. Pretty sure -gg- doesn't really require your assistance. :old:
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Chris79 on June 25, 2022, 11:37:05 AM
In all honesty abortion rights seem to fall under the 10th amendment in which I believe the SCOTUS made the correct legal ruling. I think that throwing it back at the states will inevitably lead to chaos though. https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/amendment/amendment-x Practically speaking I’m generally for abortion rights as a means of keeping undesirables from procreating at an alarming rate. There are preventative measure one can take that would mitigate any reason for needing abortion. A. Keep legs closed B. If one is determined to open their legs, maybe don’t do it for a random tinder guy C. If opening one’s legs for random a tinder guy, use preventative measures ie, condoms, BC, or the ole #2 D. I don’t know, maybe just don’t be a slut. And for dudes, maybe think of a vasectomy.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 25, 2022, 11:53:19 AM
We can also have community-based moderation to an extent. Unpopular posts could get flagged and popular ones could be rewarded. After a while you start to weed out the turds.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 25, 2022, 11:55:42 AM
The platforms that I use for my forums have the ability to have a sort of social credit system. Based on community moderation, people can incur penalties including being barred from posting.
Pretty hands-free. And it's not easy to abuse that either. You start to weed out the static from the good.
Human intervention is needed for sure though. Some people are just incapable participating in any meaningful way.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Chris79 on June 25, 2022, 11:59:55 AM
The platforms that I use for my forums have the ability to have a sort of social credit system. Based on community moderation, people can incur penalties including being barred from posting.
Pretty hands-free. And it's not easy to abuse that either. You start to weed out the static from the good.
Human intervention is needed for sure though. Some people are just incapable participating in any meaningful way.
Usually, having some physical disability to deal with, I'm multi-tasking with other computer related activity. But your point is well taken. While I still have decent vision left in my right eye perhaps I could use less distraction. But then, twenty year habits are sometimes hard to ditch (given my attempt to completely walk away from here a year ago).
You couldn't leave it at that... you had to drag someone else in.
Busybody.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 25, 2022, 12:57:38 PM
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Mano on June 25, 2022, 03:38:02 PM
This thread might be taking a wrong turn at Albuquerque
To sum up the decision:
stare decisis should mandate that the Court leave abortion alone
basically the court looked at this one single question: is abortion a historical right deeply rooted in the United States’ history and tradition?
the Supreme Court looked at the history of abortion and said no
stare decisis comes from ancient rome. it basically means that past decisions should be left alone. it blocks most attempts to undo settled law
now, abortion is left for the states or congress to regulate
The opinion is about 213 pages if you would like to read it. Maybe Roe vs Wade was wrong 50 years ago.
Law and legal jargon is Difficult to understand.
My personal opinion is there are other options. Adoption is one of them. For those that seek an abortion, nothing has really changed as there are many states with very little restrictions.
:salute
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Ramesis on June 25, 2022, 04:59:41 PM
I've not been following this very much, but from what I've heard this is just basically tossing the decision whether to allow abortions or not to the individual states?
As it should have been all along but I personally have never cared about the abortion one way or the other :salute
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Busher on June 25, 2022, 05:53:21 PM
This thread might be taking a wrong turn at Albuquerque
To sum up the decision:
stare decisis should mandate that the Court leave abortion alone
basically the court looked at this one single question: is abortion a historical right deeply rooted in the United States’ history and tradition?
the Supreme Court looked at the history of abortion and said no
stare decisis comes from ancient rome. it basically means that past decisions should be left alone. it blocks most attempts to undo settled law
now, abortion is left for the states or congress to regulate
The opinion is about 213 pages if you would like to read it. Maybe Roe vs Wade was wrong 50 years ago.
Law and legal jargon is Difficult to understand.
My personal opinion is there are other options. Adoption is one of them. For those that seek an abortion, nothing has really changed as there are many states with very little restrictions.
:salute
Seems no one can get passed the word Abortion when I suggest you consider that this is really about personal privacy. This decision has allowed state government to say that a woman's privacy is not as important as a man's. What could possibly be more private to a woman than her reproductive rights? Consider the implications should your right to your own privacy be at the discretion of the state.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: knorB on June 25, 2022, 06:31:37 PM
Seems no one can get passed the word Abortion when I suggest you consider that this is really about personal privacy. This decision has allowed state government to say that a woman's privacy is not as important as a man's. What could possibly be more private to a woman than her reproductive rights? Consider the implications should your right to your own privacy be at the discretion of the state.
So you oppose mandatory vaccinations?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Busher on June 25, 2022, 07:00:15 PM
The American public greeted the first polio vaccine, released in 1954, with wild enthusiasm. Parents so dreaded polio that they were quick to seek the vaccine for their children, and coercive policies never became necessary. I find it sad the some people see a hidden agenda in medical advances.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: nopoop on June 25, 2022, 07:39:07 PM
A lot of talk.
Get educated. Then talk.
https://youtu.be/n6SMxKVD4fQ
And first trimester
https://youtu.be/ed5zC_KhBY0
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: FLS on June 25, 2022, 08:32:59 PM
You have to not break the rules yourself for that.
nah, I am the rules at that point. That's how I ride.
But seriously, there only needs to be about 4 rules here. I have three rules on FW and 4 on ICOM. You don't need to list 49 different rules. Everything can be wrapped up under 4 rules.
If I were to seriously ask Dale (and I don't pretend that he even wants or needs any help) I would speak with him about loosening up some of the moderation, but not by a lot.
This place used to be a lot of fun and VERY active. It can be that again.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 25, 2022, 08:52:42 PM
The Repubs are on a slippery slope that could make them the American Taliban. gg should be worried.
How so?
I am no different than a woman in the publics eye. I don't pretend to be an actual woman, but no one knows that I am not a woman. I don't need any special rights. I live as a normal person, not a victim or a member of some group that thinks they need extra rights.
If I want to use a bathroom, I use a bathroom. No one would think to question me. And I don't want guys in dresses coming into women's restrooms.
I'd like to have a real conversation about what you mentioned though. What is it that you think I should be worried about?
I'll tell you my view. From where I'm at, the conservatives have protected me more. In Arizona I could buy and carry a gun pretty much any place I wanted. no restrictions. In California, you have to beg the state for permission to carry a gun, and they don't think self defense is a valid reason.
I consider the Democrats to be a massive danger to me. Their policies are a train wreck in California and in the nation.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 25, 2022, 09:15:01 PM
I am no different than a woman in the publics eye. I don't pretend to be an actual woman, but no one knows that I am not a woman. I don't need any special rights. I live as a normal person, not a victim or a member of some group that thinks they need extra rights.
If I want to use a bathroom, I use a bathroom. No one would think to question me. And I don't want guys in dresses coming into women's restrooms.
I'd like to have a real conversation about what you mentioned though. What is it that you think I should be worried about.
I'll tell you my view. From where I'm at, the conservatives and protected me more. In Arizona I could buy and carry a gun pretty much any place I wanted. no restrictions. In California, you have to beg the state for permission to carry a gun, and they don't think self defense is a valid reason.
I consider the Democrats to be a massive danger to me. Their policies are a train wreck in California and in the nation.
He and the other bigots just like him can not possibly let facts get in their way when it comes to vilifying people they imagine they are fighting against. The reality that the vast majority of how others treat them is related to their bigotry and arrogance is inconceivable.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: RotBaron on June 25, 2022, 09:23:06 PM
The Repubs are on a slippery slope that could make them the American Taliban. gg should be worried.
He’s just trying to protect you lol as Semp was, but with much less authenticity.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: RotBaron on June 25, 2022, 09:35:07 PM
He’s also just parroting this:
Left-wing Hollywood agitators Barbra Streisand and Mark Ruffalo both took to Twitter Friday to accuse Republicans, Christians, and the U.S. Supreme Court of being the “American Taliban”
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 25, 2022, 09:42:17 PM
Left-wing Hollywood agitators Barbra Streisand and Mark Ruffalo both took to Twitter Friday to accuse Republicans, Christians, and the U.S. Supreme Court of being the “American Taliban”
So others thought the same.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: guncrasher on June 25, 2022, 09:44:21 PM
I am no different than a woman in the publics eye. I don't pretend to be an actual woman, but no one knows that I am not a woman. I don't need any special rights. I live as a normal person, not a victim or a member of some group that thinks they need extra rights.
If I want to use a bathroom, I use a bathroom. No one would think to question me. And I don't want guys in dresses coming into women's restrooms.
I'd like to have a real conversation about what you mentioned though. What is it that you think I should be worried about.
I'll tell you my view. From where I'm at, the conservatives and protected me more. In Arizona I could buy and carry a gun pretty much any place I wanted. no restrictions. In California, you have to beg the state for permission to carry a gun, and they don't think self defense is a valid reason.
I consider the Democrats to be a massive danger to me. Their policies are a train wreck in California and in the nation.
what is the difference between you and a guy in a dress. just curious. I have been in many women's bathrooms, bars, restaurants, movie theaters, you get the point.
first it was well because we had diet coke and all we did was give the bouncer 5 bucks. then when I had kids, I would take them to the women's bathroom if my wife was not with me. would always announce in a loud voice that I was bringing my kids to the bathroom. no way in hell I was gonna let my daughter go in by herself. just as many female perverts as there's men. at about age 12 or so, she went in by herself but took her younger brother. and I would wait by the door.
not once I had a problem. nobody ever questioned me. and trust me on this crap, there has always been men dressed in a skirt in the women's bathroom. just like there's always been women that go to the men's bathroom if the women's have a long line.
semp
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 25, 2022, 09:59:12 PM
By "guy in a dress" I mean someone who looks like a man and that no one can mistake for being a man. I don't care how they identify. They should not be allowed in places for women. It's scary for women and they should NOT have to deal with it just to save someone's feelings.
I feel the same for me. When I transitioned I figured I would be able to pass as a woman, but if I didn't think I was passing for a woman, 100 percent, then I would not have even done it. I surely would have never imposed myself on women and gone into a women's bathroom. I would not expect people to magically address me and treat me as a woman when every natural instinct tells anyone that I am obviously a guy.
That's a difference between me and what a lot of liberals think. I do not think people should be forced to call someone by a preferred pronoun and I don't want to make people deal with men in women's bathrooms or any other private place for women.
I do not think trans women should compete with women in sports. That's embarrassing. I don't know how those people sleep at night. It's liberal lunacy. idiocy.
Dems promote and champion things like this. I don't want them in power to enable crap like that. I want to be left alone.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: guncrasher on June 26, 2022, 01:49:09 AM
so what you are saying is that since you look like a woman then it's ok to go to a woman's bathroom. have you ever met women that look like men talk like men but were born a woman? which bathroom should they use? which bathroom do you use? I see the irony, let me put it another way, if you didnt look like a woman, how would you feel? would you have transition? how would the rest of your life be like? should only those that look like women transition?
semp
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: RotBaron on June 26, 2022, 04:06:28 AM
You obviously like your status quo in Canada and are content to stay, what drives you to spend so much time invested in US politics and want to continually tell Americans how they should be living?
In contrast for example, in the last month or so I can only remember two things I read briefly about Canada, first, how much they are contributing to the Ukraine and second, that Trudeau has/had Covid for the second time.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 26, 2022, 05:52:43 AM
Seems no one can get passed the word Abortion when I suggest you consider that this is really about personal privacy. This decision has allowed state government to say that a woman's privacy is not as important as a man's. What could possibly be more private to a woman than her reproductive rights? Consider the implications should your right to your own privacy be at the discretion of the state.
It becomes public when tax dollars pay for the baby murder
Keep your legs closed and wrap that rascal when you can't
Sex has consequences....
Eagler
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Eagler on June 26, 2022, 06:06:38 AM
What did potato head think about this once...
https://youtu.be/mKjCRrSm9lA
He wins the creepy usless poltician award in my book...
Eagler
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: RichardDarkwood on June 26, 2022, 06:10:38 AM
Free entertainment at it's finest
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 26, 2022, 08:42:39 AM
so what you are saying is that since you look like a woman then it's ok to go to a woman's bathroom. have you ever met women that look like men talk like men but were born a woman? which bathroom should they use? which bathroom do you use? I see the irony, let me put it another way, if you didnt look like a woman, how would you feel? would you have transition? how would the rest of your life be like? should only those that look like women transition?
semp
I explained that in the post you are responding to. I'll say it again and in a different way.
Basically, yes. Because People do not know I am not a woman and my presence in a women's bathroom does not cause anyone concern. As I said, if I knew that I looked like a guy I would not be going into women's bathrooms. I wouldn't expose women and girls to that. I wouldn't make them deal with that and they shouldn't have to. I would not expect people to just magically pretend that I'm a woman just because that's what I want to be.
And people who do not pass absolutely know they do not pass.
If I wasn't making it as a woman then I would not continue trying. I feel sorry for people like me that will never be able to pull it off. It's not a fun situation for them at all. I've felt the way I do since I was a little kid. I don't think they are bad people, I just think they need to put others ahead of them and be realistic.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 26, 2022, 09:15:19 AM
You obviously like your status quo in Canada and are content to stay, what drives you to spend so much time invested in US politics and want to continually tell Americans how they should be living?
In contrast for example, in the last month or so I can only remember two things I read briefly about Canada, first, how much they are contributing to the Ukraine and second, that Trudeau has/had Covid for the second time.
Will have to go thru the Puritan phase first.
As goes the USofA, so goes Canada and the World. I can see the forest you are lost in.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: knorB on June 26, 2022, 11:11:15 AM
The American public greeted the first polio vaccine, released in 1954, with wild enthusiasm. Parents so dreaded polio that they were quick to seek the vaccine for their children, and coercive policies never became necessary. I find it sad the some people see a hidden agenda in medical advances.
nice side step now answer the question.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 26, 2022, 11:36:35 AM
Won't be the only one.
Texas District Attorney of Starr County, Gocha Allen Ramirez, drops an unlawful murder charge filed against Lizelle Herrera for her abortion after nationwide backlash.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 26, 2022, 12:01:52 PM
Texas District Attorney of Starr County, Gocha Allen Ramirez, drops an unlawful murder charge filed against Lizelle Herrera for her abortion after nationwide backlash.
Nobody really knows any of the details about her case, but a grand jury, prosecutor and a judge had to sign off on this for her to be charged. I'm not finding a lot of information on what happened. A self induced abortion cannot be prosecuted. They go after the providers.
Still, I've always felt there was a double standard. On the one hand, if I punched a pregnant woman and her fetus died I could be charged with murder. If the mom aborts that same fetus, it's not considered a life.
The real question everyone should think about is whether you feel that the fetus is a life or not. Do you not feel a fetus should be a protected life? I do. Even if you're not sure, do you just toss that out the window and allow abortions? Be honest with yourself and think about the life of the fetus. Or be dishonest and say that you think a 6 month old fetus is not alive.
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On Sunday, Starr County District Attorney Gocha Allen Ramirez walked back that claim.
"In reviewing applicable Texas law, it is clear that Ms. Herrera cannot and should not be prosecuted. ... The issues surrounding this matter are clearly contentious, however based on Texas law and the facts presented, it is not a criminal matter."
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Busher on June 26, 2022, 12:47:58 PM
What mandated vaccines p*****d you off? For public school attendance, all 50 states require vaccines that protect children against polio, diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, measles and rubella. But I suspect none of these may be the source of your question.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: 100Coogn on June 26, 2022, 01:08:46 PM
I enjoy gardening. When the seeds germinate, I consider them to be alive. Isn't that the same with a Fetus? Still don't think the Government has any right to tell a woman what to do with her body. It's really none of their business, or ours for that matter.
Coogan
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 26, 2022, 01:10:04 PM
What mandated vaccines p*****d you off? For public school attendance, all 50 states require vaccines that protect children against polio, diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, measles and rubella. But I suspect none of these may be the source of your question.
Well, that is different. Requiring a vaccine to go to a public school I'm fine with as long as you are able to home school your kids if you do not agree to the mandates.
What I do not think is right is forcing ALL employers (with a certain number of employees) to require vaccines. A Federal mandate handed down by a king? No. Not fine with that.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Chalenge on June 26, 2022, 01:13:27 PM
Interesting that during their appointment deliberations before congress, those same judges were 'all about the sanctity of 'Roe vs Wade' only to LIE about their intent. As a Lincoln Republican, the current GOP has lost the plot.
And ya'll forgot why Roe vs Wade came into play BECAUSE the states weren't protecting women's right to abortion. To say "well, now it's up to the individual states..." is why we had Roe vs Wade. FFS.
You need to actually read the majority opinion by Alito. There is no 'right' to an abortion. For 9/10's of the countries existence it was illegal, so how could it be a right? As Thomas stated, you really need to go back and review LGBTQ whatever, too.
You cannot make a law to do a damned illegal thing. - Cmdr Leonard Mccoy.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 26, 2022, 01:16:11 PM
Well, that is different. Requiring a vaccine to go to a public school I'm fine with as long as you are able to home school your kids if you do not agree to the mandates.
What I do not think is right is forcing ALL employers (with a certain number of employees) to require vaccines. A Federal mandate handed down by a king? No. Not fine with that.
That is the attitude as to why the USofA has such a crappy response to covid.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 26, 2022, 01:29:00 PM
my health is my choice.
If you want to get the vaccine, I'm not stopping you. If you are in a high risk group, get the vaccine and stay home.
What this country did was overreact. We killed our economy and ruined people's businesses and livelihoods while not making any difference to the severity of covid.
We should not have shut anything down. We would probably have been over Covid a lot sooner.
When the government finally gave up and left everything open is when Omicron hit. The same people who were saying herd immunity was BS were now saying the Omicron would end covid because it spreads so fast.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 26, 2022, 01:36:00 PM
What mandated vaccines p*****d you off? For public school attendance, all 50 states require vaccines that protect children against polio, diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, measles and rubella. But I suspect none of these may be the source of your question.
more tap dance, answer.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 26, 2022, 01:51:54 PM
If you want to get the vaccine, I'm not stopping you. If you are in a high risk group, get the vaccine and stay home.
What this country did was overreact. We killed our economy and ruined people's businesses and livelihoods while not making any difference to the severity of covid.
We should not have shut anything down. We would probably have been over Covid a lot sooner.
When the government finally gave up and left everything open is when Omicron hit. The same people who were saying herd immunity was BS were now saying the Omicron would end covid because it spreads so fast.
If your freedom effects my freedom it is NOT freedom.
Want what it was like during the first couple of months? You would have a Black Death scenario. Hospitals over run with covid cases.
The lockdown was working but Trump flapped his gums and States didn't go by the rules and opened up early.
By the time omicron came along it wasn'y as deadly as the originals and more people had been vaccinated and/or acquired immunity.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 26, 2022, 01:56:29 PM
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 26, 2022, 01:58:01 PM
We live in the USA, not Canada. We don't have a King or a Queen. Presidents do not get to mandate law.
Covid lockdowns varied by state. In the end, covid lockdowns were proven to have made no difference.
My choice to get a covid vaccine does not put you at more risk. If you don't want to get covid, YOU get the vaccine and YOU stay in lockdown. You don't get to make me do any of that.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: knorB on June 26, 2022, 02:00:06 PM
Kinda like useless shots... do they stop you from getting sick... no do they stop you from spreading... no
such a deal
I wholeheartedly encourage you to never take another vaccine of any kind.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: knorB on June 26, 2022, 02:06:03 PM
Pls, go get another 5 boosters.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: FLS on June 26, 2022, 02:06:56 PM
Vaccines prevent infection. The covid shots don't do that. They said they would, they lied. They had to change the definition of a vaccine so they could call the covid shot a vaccine.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 26, 2022, 02:07:22 PM
The vaccines were ~95% efficiency. If you did get covid, you just got sick and didn't need to go to a hospital.
The hospitalizations and deaths in later '21 and later were the UNvaccinated.
No gine, no vaccine, no going out in public.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: knorB on June 26, 2022, 02:07:43 PM
If only the polio vax worked as well...
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 26, 2022, 02:09:08 PM
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 26, 2022, 02:16:50 PM
Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.
Smallpox: Historically, the vaccine has been effective in preventing smallpox infection in 95% of those vaccinated.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 26, 2022, 02:25:15 PM
They lied about several things. They lied about covid being transmissible, said masks didn't work - and in fact made it worse, they told us travel bans were racist, the vaccine protects you, and and more
In rough order (going by memory)
1. covid not transmissible 2. Trumps travel bans are over-reacting and unnecessary. 3. covide not a big deal. Nancy Pelosi said everything is fine and invited everyone to come to ChinaTown to enjoy. She was combating Trumps attempt to stop it from spreading. 4. masks do not work. do not buy a mask 5. everyone has to wear a mask 6. vaccines protect you. 7. very rare "breakthrough" infections in vaccinated 8. vaccinated people can still get it but not spread it 9. vaccinated people are getting it and may actually be supers readers 10. we need boosters. 11. kids don't get it 12. kids are getting it 13. we need to vaccinate infanbts
It never ends. Pure lies and some people still follow along like sheep.
Trump initiated the rapid response for a vaccine. Pelosi went on TV and said Trump was trying to rush a vaccine. Kamala Harris ( or mabe it was Pelosi) said she would not take a "Trump vaccine"
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 26, 2022, 02:26:41 PM
They lied about several things. They lied about covid being transmissible, said masks didn't work - and in fact made it worse, they told us travel bans were racist, the vaccine protects you, and and more
In rough order (going by memory)
1. covid not transmissible 2. Trumps travel bans are over-reacting and unnecessary. 3. covide not a big deal. Nancy Pelosi said everything is fine and invited everyone to come to ChinaTown to enjoy. She was combating Trumps attempt to stop it from spreading. 4. masks do not work. do not buy a mask 5. everyone has to wear a mask 6. vaccines protect you. 7. very rare "breakthrough" infections in vaccinated 8. vaccinated people can still get it but not spread it 9. vaccinated people are getting it and may actually be supers readers 10. we need boosters. 11. kids don't get it 12. kids are getting it 13. we need to vaccinate infanbts
It never ends. Pure lies and some people still follow along like sheep.
Trump initiated the rapid response for a vaccine. Pelosi went on TV and said Trump was trying to rush a vaccine. Kamala Harris ( or mabe it was Pelosi) said she would not take a "Trump vaccine"
It would be interesting to see you attempt to cite all of those lies without having to massage reality. Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Ramesis on June 26, 2022, 02:31:05 PM
The American public greeted the first polio vaccine, released in 1954, with wild enthusiasm. Parents so dreaded polio that they were quick to seek the vaccine for their children, and coercive policies never became necessary. I find it sad the some people see a hidden agenda in medical advances.
But the polio vax was not based on RNA :salute
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 26, 2022, 02:32:21 PM
I understand how expertise threatens your opinion based on political prejudice.
Actually I am Independent... I have voted D and R depending on the subject But, from what I have read, mRNA is the transmitter from DNA that tells genes how to act... I have no problem with vaxes but only if they have been tested over a long period of time as the cultivation of wheat, corn, etc. were... Take the covid vax if u wish... it is ur right and I won't complain about it but let have my right not to take it... If I die from covid, so be it... if not, oh well :salute
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: knorB on June 26, 2022, 02:48:57 PM
True, fighting fire with fire shouldn't happen if fire is prohibited. What I can't understand is those who cry about being treated the same way they treat others. :ahand
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 26, 2022, 02:54:21 PM
Actually I am Independent... I have voted D and R depending on the subject But, from what I have read, mRNA is the transmitter from DNA that tells genes how to act... I have no problem with vaxes but only if they have been tested over a long period of time as the cultivation of wheat, corn, etc. were... Take the covid vax if u wish... it is ur right and I won't complain about it but let have my right not to take it... If I die from covid, so be it... if not, oh well :salute
+
How many people did you infect?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 26, 2022, 02:55:15 PM
Trump wants to impose travel ban on China... because, uhm.. that's were corona virus is starting.
Therefore Nancy Pelosi needs to go to Chinatown to make sure people don't mistake Chinatown for China. Come on down!
Yet he left the other door on the East coast wide open when Europe, especially Italy was getting hammered. 10s of 1000s of people came in and were packed like sardines in airports.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 26, 2022, 02:57:33 PM
Yet he left the other door on the East coast wide open when Europe, especially Italy was getting hammered. 10s of 1000s of people came in and were packed like sardines in airports.
Wait, I'm sure -gg-'s not done making her points yet.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Ramesis on June 26, 2022, 03:01:53 PM
I'm passing along expert information, not political rants. :D
Expert opinion from the CDC? They have been wrong so many times it is laughable as is Faucci... believe what u want and I'll believe what I want :salute
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 26, 2022, 03:08:22 PM
Expert opinion from the CDC? They have been wrong so many times it is laughable as is Faucci... believe what u want and I'll believe what I want :salute
I heard your opinion the first time. The radical side of politics, however, has yet to create a better, more knowledgeable body of scientists.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Ramesis on June 26, 2022, 03:10:22 PM
I may be radical but so can u... it is the nature of the times :salute
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Ramesis on June 26, 2022, 03:12:20 PM
Btw, how did this topic morph from abortion to Covid vax? :salute
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 26, 2022, 03:13:12 PM
Btw, how did this topic morph from abortion to Covid vax? :salute
Bet you could find the specific post if you backtrack.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Ramesis on June 26, 2022, 03:17:14 PM
Not really interested in finding it... and btw, the question was rhetorical... I guess u didn't recognize it :salute PS I have things to do so I am outta here :salute
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 26, 2022, 03:19:37 PM
Not really interested in finding it... and btw, the question was rhetorical... I guess u didn't recognize it :salute PS I have things to do so I am outta here :salute
Typed out loud, the inner dialogue often flops.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: nopoop on June 26, 2022, 03:46:09 PM
Arlo you are a troll plain and simple. And I just found the ignore :banana: list.
Done
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 26, 2022, 03:52:10 PM
Arlo you are a troll plain and simple. And I just found the ignore :banana: list.
Done
Yup... every discussion is a childish troll fest where the actual facts become irrelevant to the discussion. Ironically, he accuses everyone else of doing what he impulsively does repeatedly in every conversation.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 26, 2022, 03:55:55 PM
Yup... every discussion is a childish troll fest where the actual facts become irrelevant to the discussion. Ironically, he accuses everyone else of doing what he impulsively does repeatedly in every conversation.
What has you contribution been?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 26, 2022, 03:59:23 PM
It is what it is. The biggest damn shame is that you gleefully come here and toejam on the community because you can't help yourself. You simply value the petty toejam talking far more than anything else. This is why you don't have friends and are stuck behaving so poorly here. In all honesty dude. You would be much happier if you held yourself in higher regard.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 26, 2022, 04:30:26 PM
There you go describing yourself.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: RotBaron on June 26, 2022, 07:03:45 PM
Green Day front man Billie Joe Armstrong says he is lost to the U.S. forever. On Friday night he declared “f**k America” before adding he was “renouncing his citizenship”
Hope he does, but he won’t just like all the other self-important pukes said they would leave when Trump was elected.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: nopoop on June 26, 2022, 07:19:29 PM
Cher and babs DIDN'T LEAVE ?????
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: RotBaron on June 26, 2022, 07:20:29 PM
Green Day front man Billie Joe Armstrong says he is lost to the U.S. forever. On Friday night he declared “f**k America” before adding he was “renouncing his citizenship”
Hope he does, but he won’t just like all the other self-important pukes said they would leave when Trump was elected.
Still like to know what what his followers are going to have once old Mopy Prik croaks.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: sparky127 on June 26, 2022, 07:48:51 PM
Seriously, the best way to clean up this place would probably be to look at the couple of people who complain about everything and report everything and just get rid of them. Problem solved. Everyone else is happy!
How about... If someone hits the "report to moderator" button their account is automatically deleted.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: 100Coogn on June 26, 2022, 07:53:43 PM
How about... If someone hits the "report to moderator" button their account is automatically deleted.
Do it like MSFS2020 Forums. You get reported X-amount of times, you get a warning. Next one is a week time out. Third offense is 30 days time out. Another one is perma-ban!
Coogan
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: RotBaron on June 26, 2022, 07:55:29 PM
Green Day front man Billie Joe Armstrong says he is lost to the U.S. forever. On Friday night he declared “f**k America” before adding he was “renouncing his citizenship”
Hope he does, but he won’t just like all the other self-important pukes said they would leave when Trump was elected.
Didn't Trump say he would leave?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 26, 2022, 08:13:24 PM
Green Day front man Billie Joe Armstrong says he is lost to the U.S. forever. On Friday night he declared “f**k America” before adding he was “renouncing his citizenship”
Hope he does, but he won’t just like all the other self-important pukes said they would leave when Trump was elected.
LOL
Typical. Throw a fit because something didn't go his way. Stomp feet, pout.
Elections have consequences, chump!
:rofl
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: RotBaron on June 26, 2022, 08:44:34 PM
From (liberal) Yahoo: Donald Trump joked that he may have to leave the United States if he fails to defeat Joe Biden in the presidential election.
Trump made the comments during a Friday night rally in Macon, Georgia where he suggested a loss to the former vice president would be so embarrassing he may consider packing his bags.
"You know what? Running against the worst candidate in the history of American politics puts pressure on me," Trump told the crowd. "Could you imagine if I lose? My whole life — what am I going to do? I’m going to say, I lost to the worst candidate in the history of politics! I’m not going to feel so good. Maybe I’ll have to leave the country, I don’t know."
Now if you go to CNN, MSNBC etc. you’ll find them claiming he was serious.
Watch the video lol.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: nopoop on June 26, 2022, 08:50:44 PM
WarBirds had a rule that you had to have an account to post on their board.
Wouldn't want it for the influx of former players here that drop in.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 26, 2022, 09:24:28 PM
True, fighting fire with fire shouldn't happen if fire is prohibited. What I can't understand is those who cry about being treated the same way they treat others. :ahand
Dr heal thyself.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: knorB on June 27, 2022, 08:52:15 AM
Do it like MSFS2020 Forums. You get reported X-amount of times, you get a warning. Next one is a week time out. Third offense is 30 days time out. Another one is perma-ban!
Coogan
Yea, that would never be abused... ever.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: knorB on June 27, 2022, 08:52:50 AM
Do it like MSFS2020 Forums. You get reported X-amount of times, you get a warning. Next one is a week time out. Third offense is 30 days time out. Another one is perma-ban!
Coogan
no no... the person who hits the report button gets their account deleted. First time, no warning.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: 100Coogn on June 27, 2022, 09:28:21 AM
Because my idea is better. It allows the undesirables to weed themselves out. You have a problem with that too?
I just want your logic in this fleshed out. What makes someone who uses a common function on forums that points moderators/admins to potential TOS violators 'undesirable?'
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 27, 2022, 09:59:10 AM
I think because the problem would be the people who use the button not the button. I think that's the idea.
Feel free to explain it in full for Sparky. Why is there a problem in people using that button (unless its a potential 'problem' for a TOS violator being reported)?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: sparky127 on June 27, 2022, 10:09:21 AM
3/4 of the "TOS" is in place to placate busybodies like Are Low. It's no wonder she is so protective of the report button.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 27, 2022, 10:19:29 AM
3/4 of the "TOS" is in place to placate busybodies like Are Low. It's no wonder she is so protective of the report button.
100% of TOS was implemented to prevent or at least reduce instances that would turn the AHBB into a knockdown drag out immature cesspool. The report button is in place because moderators miss stuff. If a report does not result in disciplinary action it would be because the moderator saw no merit. Lately, there's no moderation, anyway. I can't understand your, -gg-'s or anyone's fear over the function and I certainly don't understand you attempting to use it the way you're suggesting.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Eagler on June 27, 2022, 10:33:30 AM
100% of TOS was implemented to prevent or at least reduce instances that would turn the AHBB into a knockdown drag out immature cesspool. The report button is in place because moderators miss stuff. If a report does not result in disciplinary action it would be because the moderator saw no merit. Lately, there's no moderation, anyway. I can't understand your, -gg-'s or anyone's fear over the function and I certainly don't understand you attempting to use it the way you're suggesting.
Of course you don't understand. You actually think you're doing everyone a favor; all busybodies do.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 27, 2022, 10:57:40 AM
Of course you don't understand. You actually think you're doing everyone a favor; all busybodies do.
I'm not doing anything, at this point, but asking questions and responding. And even that will have its limits. I figured I respect this forum enough to go back to sticking to forum terms of service.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: sparky127 on June 27, 2022, 11:02:02 AM
You should do that. Why are you in this thread again?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 27, 2022, 11:09:38 AM
Although I must commend you for refraining from hijacking the thread for ELEVEN pages!! Bravo!
(also there's a clear TOS violation in that post as well)
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: sparky127 on June 27, 2022, 11:47:01 AM
Also... for those who are paying attention.. This is how plebeian posters like Are-Low "win" arguments on the interwebz; They make bold outlandishly WRONG statements, then when they start getting owned they hijack and push for a thread lock. The most cursory look at OC locked threads will find an "Are-Low" or Are-Low herself actively engaging in the above described activity. This is why "They" LOVE that "report to moderator" button.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 27, 2022, 11:53:07 AM
Although I must commend you for refraining from hijacking the thread for ELEVEN pages!! Bravo!
(also there a clear TOS violation in that post as well)
Actually, I was answering your question, honestly and forthright. I have not denied that I have committed TOS violations since the ICOM/FW invasion from those forums (many of whom earned PNGs here and are back to raise havoc) and I have mentioned my intention to return to respecting the forum and community by setting an example of honoring the TOS agreement I made. I didn't and don't expect you to. Even my continuing to have this exchange with you is not healthy for the community since you've made it clear what your true intent is.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: sparky127 on June 27, 2022, 12:08:18 PM
This guy puts his hand over his heart and pledges to uphold the "TOS" then continues to post in a thread he swears violates said "TOS".
(maybe try jiggling the report button)
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 27, 2022, 12:11:32 PM
Also... for those who are paying attention.. This is how plebeian posters like Are-Low "win" arguments on the interwebz; They make bold outlandishly WRONG statements, then when they start getting owned they hijack and push for a thread lock. The most cursory look at OC locked threads will find an "Are-Low" or Are-Low herself actively engaging in the above described activity. This is why "They" LOVE that "report to moderator" button.
Sounds more like what the FWer invaders would do.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: sparky127 on June 27, 2022, 01:11:36 PM
Congratulations on making your first post that doesn't invoke the 45th president of the United States.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 27, 2022, 01:33:08 PM
You are not very observant.
The USofA is a contradiction. Sex appeal this and sex appeal that (movies, adverts, TV,...) but then want people to act like Puritans.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: knorB on June 27, 2022, 02:23:46 PM
This is coming from a guy who had literally upwards of 95% of his posts in FW, thousands of posts, be nothing more than anti trump trolls. The vast majority of those anti trump trolls replying to posts that had nothing to do with trump.
As I said, flush a few turds and the forum would be much more functional.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 27, 2022, 04:04:50 PM
You don't like hearing the truth about you hero God-King. :rofl
So what has Bronk contributed to any thread except snide remarks to try to derail the threads?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 27, 2022, 04:30:36 PM
You don't like hearing the truth about you hero God-King. :rofl
So what has Bronk contributed to any thread except snide remarks to try to derail the threads?
He is doing what you have been doing all along with the exception of every single stupid post being an twisted into an anti trump post. I'm pointing out that you have no more respect for this forum than the others you were kicked off of. You simply can't help yourself and rise above the mouth breathing trolling that motivates you.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 27, 2022, 04:39:19 PM
Pointing out that your God-King is is not who you all think he is is trolling. If you say so.
You are the one who is trolling rabbit. Time for you to go on ignore as you contribute nothing.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 27, 2022, 04:47:42 PM
Pointing out that your God-King is is not who you all think he is is trolling. If you say so.
You are the one who is trolling rabbit. Time for you to go on ignore as you contribute nothing.
So others know, I'm hardly a trump fan which is why he keeps up with the anti trump posts in his responses to me. That is his idea of how to troll people. If you look at his posts in this thread and pretty much everywhere, almost all of them are low grade trolls which is what I'm pointing out. Hopefully Dale will flush turds like this when he gets motivated.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 27, 2022, 04:53:02 PM
So others know, I'm hardly a trump fan which is why he keeps up with the anti trump posts in his responses to me. That is his idea of how to troll people. If you look at his posts in this thread and pretty much everywhere, almost all of them are low grade trolls which is what I'm pointing out. Hopefully Dale will flush turds like this when he gets motivated.
Wait, are you advocating TOS enforcement or just biased/partial TOS enforcement? Just curious. Are you the real forum :police: here?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 27, 2022, 04:57:35 PM
Wait, are you advocating TOS enforcement or just biased/partial TOS enforcement? Just curious. Are you the real forum :police: here?
I'm saying that a small percent of the population causes 95% of the drama and adds little to nothing to any conversation. They are forum cancer and drive others away. That is pretty much what happened here some time ago and that is why very few conversations get anywhere. It's not my call how the forum is moderated. I'm simply pointing out how certain behaviors cause so much trouble for everyone else.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 27, 2022, 05:01:36 PM
I'm saying that a small percent of the population causes 95% of the drama and adds little to nothing to any conversation. They are forum cancer and drive others away. That is pretty much what happened here some time ago and that is why very few conversations get anywhere. It's not my call how the forum is moderated. I'm simply pointing out how certain behaviors cause so much trouble for everyone else.
Alas, you don't point it out equitably or fairly. You'd be better off using the report to moderator button behind the scenes.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: knorB on June 27, 2022, 05:05:18 PM
Alas, you don't point it out equitably or fairly. You'd be better off using the report to moderator button behind the scenes.
Modding is best done based on quality of content. For example, almost all of Milo and knobs posts are trolls. Most of yours but not all. Unlike Milo you are at least capable of competent conversation though you mostly allow yourself to be drug down. modding based on political alignment is not healthy.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 27, 2022, 05:28:22 PM
modding based on political alignment is not healthy.
I agree. The whole reasoning around prohibiting political posting in AHBB TOS was to both keep it fair and to avoid shirt-shows before the start. It was also the reason FW and ICOM's creation, I strongly suspect, as a place for those who couldn't resist to 'spread the love'. Milo dunking on you-know-who there should be a non-issue. Here, under TOS, he would be as guilty of violations as many you don't seem to want to warn the community about.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 27, 2022, 05:42:07 PM
It would appear the SC forgot about the 14th. The Fourteenth Amendment’s guarantee that no State shall ‘deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.”
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: knorB on June 27, 2022, 07:49:17 PM
None of that was deprived... matter of fact, was stopping someone of depriving another of life.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: guncrasher on June 27, 2022, 07:52:38 PM
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 28, 2022, 07:00:10 AM
Aristoteles held that the embryo had a basic soul from conception on, but only received the full version on day 40 for males, 90 for females. Which is terribly sexist customer service. Apparently the 90 days made their way into Christianity when someone (Thomas of Aquin?) amalgamated the Septuaginta with Greek philosophy (Ex 21,22 of course considers the fruit of the womb something else but life, as accidentally aborting it is to be punished by another principle than the "a life for a life" one established in the subsequent verses). When capital punishment for abortion was abolished in Prussia under Frederick the Great, the three-month-distinction nevertheless was continued. It's interesting how ancient traditions continue in modern law; or the ancients got it right already, depending on your view.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: zack1234 on June 28, 2022, 07:07:37 AM
Gibberish
Has this replaced the Ukraine drama?
You people
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Eagler on June 28, 2022, 07:10:33 AM
Soul smole...
Life begins at conception ...anything else is just trying to justify an end to a situation you more than not should have avoided with proper thought and action at the start...
As it became birth control after the fact..and that we are more barbaric with our babies than most of the rest of the globe..the issue needed attention imo
Again the fact the media and left are more worried about this than the coming economic collapse is scary as they are just diverting the publics attention from the real issues..probably hoping for another good ole round of civil unrest with more peaceful looting and burning...see pro life facilities attacks by the militant hoes who can't kill their babies at will anymore.
Eagler
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: zack1234 on June 28, 2022, 08:06:32 AM
What about the Ukraine!!!!!!!
And bending knees
Trump is to blame for monkey pox
And dog poo
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 28, 2022, 08:54:35 AM
All of this talk about "woman's rights" as the establishment "leaders" allow men pretending to be girls take over their athletics. Can you define what a woman is? "Sorry, I'm not a biologist" :rofl
It's like these people will just never admit they are complete idiots. It's why I believe they are nefarious rather than "just having a different view". They don't need to be in power.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: zack1234 on June 28, 2022, 09:17:06 AM
I am a lady at the weekends
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 28, 2022, 10:03:09 AM
All of this talk about "woman's rights" as the establishment "leaders" allow men pretending to be girls take over their athletics. Can you define what a woman is? "Sorry, I'm not a biologist" :rofl
It's like these people will just never admit they are complete idiots. It's why I believe they are nefarious rather than "just having a different view". They don't need to be in power.
you are so much smarter than us and yet you believe in reptilian satanic forces. well at least you don't think votes got changed using Italian satellites.
semp
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Mister Fork on June 28, 2022, 05:35:38 PM
Pretty soon, common phrases in the USA will be:
"Under his eye" "Blessed Fruit" "May he open"
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: guncrasher on June 28, 2022, 06:07:24 PM
you think that by inaction we should let kids die as soon as they're born?
you are pro birth, not pro life. it's your business to point and say that's murder, then baby is born, you shouldn't have had a child. not my business you can't support him.
semp
semp
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: RotBaron on June 29, 2022, 03:45:23 AM
So how do all of these other finger wagging countries deal with abortion?
I’m quite sure you already know (and are just illuminating their hypocrisy):
Abortion is only permitted in cases of rape, incest or when the mother's life is in danger in Poland. In Ireland and Germany, abortion procedures are banned in the majority of cases after 12 weeks.
Italy doesn't allow abortions after 90 days, or just under 13 weeks. France, Austria and Spain have banned the procedure after 14 weeks.
I posted that in the MSM thread, crickets…
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Shuffler on June 29, 2022, 04:15:50 AM
you think that by inaction we should let kids die as soon as they're born?
you are pro birth, not pro life. it's your business to point and say that's murder, then baby is born, you shouldn't have had a child. not my business you can't support him.
semp
semp
You have them, you support them. If you can't, then don't. You jump off a cliff, you can die. Actions have consequences. If we shelter people from consequences, we end up with people that murder others because they can.... amongst other low life things.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 29, 2022, 06:32:54 AM
you are so much smarter than us and yet you believe in reptilian satanic forces. well at least you don't think votes got changed using Italian satellites.
semp
Why do you make things up? Can you not see what a bunch of Fing idiots your leaders are?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 29, 2022, 06:57:04 AM
I’m quite sure you already know (and are just illuminating their hypocrisy):
Abortion is only permitted in cases of rape, incest or when the mother's life is in danger in Poland. In Ireland and Germany, abortion procedures are banned in the majority of cases after 12 weeks.
Italy doesn't allow abortions after 90 days, or just under 13 weeks. France, Austria and Spain have banned the procedure after 14 weeks.
I posted that in the MSM thread, crickets…
What is the maternity leave comparisons, USA v Europe?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Eagler on June 29, 2022, 07:34:35 AM
The United States doesn't legally require employers to provide paid maternity leave to their workers. 1 This means a woman’s paid maternity leave is either an added employer benefit or taken out of her personal or sick leave bank instead. (Through the Family and Medical Leave Act ( FMLA ), employers with 50 or more employees must provide 12 weeks of unpaid maternity leave.)
What is the maternity leave comparisons, USA v Europe?
Your response has absolutely nothing to do with the message that you quoted. Typical. Completely ignore what was being discussed, actually quoted, and then try to relate that to a completely different subject..
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: zack1234 on June 29, 2022, 08:33:25 AM
If we killed more people it will stop global warming and save Polar bears.
Fat people should be at the top of the list as they smell.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 29, 2022, 08:34:49 AM
And you gg fail to understand that many women get abortions because they can't afford to have another child.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: FLS on June 29, 2022, 08:44:57 AM
You have to have a job to get maternity leave. Most jobs do offer it. Business's are not required to go broke paying people who don't work, so small business's are exempt.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: zack1234 on June 29, 2022, 08:51:46 AM
And you gg fail to understand that many women get abortions because they can't afford to have another child.
You fail to understand that you quoted someone regarding abortion laws in other countries and then completely ignored what you quoted, and added a totally different subject. typical.
The reasons women get abortions is a different subject. I'm surprised you didn't add a Trump rant.
So, you think women get abortions because they can't afford to have ANOTHER child? You're just not worth discussing anything with. Worthless.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 29, 2022, 09:02:21 AM
most women get abortions out of convenience. They get pregnant without much care and then have an abortion.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 29, 2022, 09:12:26 AM
You fail to understand that you quoted someone regarding abortion laws in other countries and then completely ignored what you quoted, and added a totally different subject. typical.
You fail, with your limited brain capacity, to see any connection between the two.
What is it like to be a 57 year old virgin?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Eviscerate on June 29, 2022, 09:15:07 AM
How rich, a bunch of old white men thinking they should have control over what women should and shouldn't be able to do. This demographic. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Eagler on June 29, 2022, 09:18:35 AM
You really don't know America. Women make a career out of having babies out of wedlock.
They also make a career by having as many babies as possible by different fathers while unemployed and then going to public aid demanding free money and benefits because they have no job and are unwilling to get a job
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Eagler on June 29, 2022, 10:48:40 AM
Cheat like orange man asking Georgia to 'find' votes so that he could win?
Nope like packing the scotus
Or like the media stating crackheads laptop was russian disinformation so they could remove it from the front page news allowing potato head to be anointed potus instead of answering to blatant bribery
Eagler
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: icepac on June 29, 2022, 12:52:18 PM
The sad part is all the political candidates over the last 49 years tiptoeing around the issue.
Imagine the man-hours wasted that could have been invested elsewhere.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: knorB on June 29, 2022, 12:54:40 PM
Not in the tradition way but he did make sure he had far rights appointed to the SC.
Late in Obama's presidency an opening happened in the CS. As it was 6 months or less from an election the Repugs said no to any Judge from Obama. Fast forward to the end of Trump's presidency and what was good in '16 is no longer good in '20. Yup, 2 far right judges appointed to the SC.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: knorB on June 29, 2022, 01:25:12 PM
You know the US from your TV and the pub apparently.
You were saying.
Americans are appallingly ignorant (nothing new there) on abortion statistics. One poll showed that California college students believed that abortion was illegal after the first trimester, and that there are less than 100,000 abortions done in the United States every year.1 The actual number is more than ten times as many surgical and chemical abortions ― and, of course, abortion is freely available throughout all nine months of pregnancy.
1.14% are done to save the life or physical health of the mother. 1.28% to preserve the mental health of the mother. 0.39% in cases of rape or incest. 0.69% for fetal birth defects, or eugenics. 3.50% for all the hard cases combined. 96.50% of all abortions are therefore performed for social or economic reasons.
https://www.hli.org/resources/why-women-abort/
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 29, 2022, 07:18:27 PM
FW ids FAR more active that here and ICOM is also more active.
:cheers:
Keeping you busy, I see. :)
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 29, 2022, 07:35:57 PM
not keeping me bust. I've run FW for 15 years and ICOM for maybe 5. Very limited moderation. Just took out the trash a few weeks ago and things are back to normal
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 29, 2022, 07:37:11 PM
not keeping me busy. I've run FW for 15 years and ICOM for maybe 5. Very limited moderation. Just took out the trash a few weeks ago and things are back to normal
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 29, 2022, 07:39:49 PM
not keeping me bust. I've run FW for 15 years and ICOM for maybe 5. Very limited moderation. Just took out the trash a few weeks ago and things are back to normal
In other words boring with lots of butt licking.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 29, 2022, 07:44:17 PM
if a one cell organism farts on mars does it make a noise.
semp
There is many one cell organisms there. :D
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Tig on June 29, 2022, 08:07:59 PM
Wow somehow me, the 16 year old can of raging teenage boy hormones is the levelheaded one in here. :rofl :rofl
Do I think abortion is a touchy subject? For sure. Do I care? Eh, kind of?
I've just realized that people will be spectacularly stupid no matter what, so I went ahead and bought front row seats to watch the world burn. Might as well have some fun.
Besides- anyone want to protest in the 110 degree Texas summers? :x
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: guncrasher on June 29, 2022, 08:24:33 PM
Wow somehow me, the 16 year old can of raging teenage boy hormones is the levelheaded one in here. :rofl :rofl
Do I think abortion is a touchy subject? For sure. Do I care? Eh, kind of?
I've just realized that people will be spectacularly stupid no matter what, so I went ahead and bought front row seats to watch the world burn. Might as well have some fun.
Besides- anyone want to protest in the 110 degree Texas summers? :x
I would protest the 110 degrees in texas, but it's too hot. I would rather sit here in protest in 99 degree weather.
semp
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: FLS on June 29, 2022, 08:28:15 PM
Tig, it's not about abortion. It's about the SC correcting a bad ruling about federal power. It just leaves abortion law to the states like it used to be. When you read about significant SC decisions you'll find a lot of creative reasoning to justify expanding federal powers.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: RotBaron on June 29, 2022, 08:38:08 PM
no it's actually a joke about if you find a once cell organism on mars do you call it life or something like that.
semp
It’s carry over from the other thread and what is here too about her websites. She refuted your claims about those scary Republicans and you are now circle joiking with the hypersensitive gang.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: nopoop on June 29, 2022, 08:52:26 PM
I'm really liking this ignor feature :aok
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 29, 2022, 09:31:05 PM
I don't think that Semp meant anything by that. Not at all.
We're going to have a beer soon, when he's feeling better.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: nopoop on June 29, 2022, 09:47:33 PM
Semps cool.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: guncrasher on June 29, 2022, 09:54:13 PM
It’s carry over from the other thread and what is here too about her websites. She refuted your claims about those scary Republicans and you are now circle joiking with the hypersensitive gang.
no, it's actually about knorb or whatever his name is. he posted several times about a single cell on mars. i just made a joke of it.
semp
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: sparky127 on June 29, 2022, 10:28:50 PM
I don't think that Semp meant anything by that. Not at all.
We're going to have a beer soon, when he's feeling better.
was thinking lazy dog in rancho cucamonga, and i wanna be fed. and if I dont find anybody cool, i'll come and sit with you for a while :D
semp
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: 100Coogn on June 29, 2022, 10:49:36 PM
Hoping Dale get's off of his 'vacation' and starts PNG'g some you fools and locking threads. Kinda miss that. For some reason, I think he just said F*ck it.
Coogan
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: RotBaron on June 29, 2022, 11:50:18 PM
Hoping Dale get's off of his 'vacation' and starts PNG'g some you fools and locking threads. Kinda miss that. For some reason, I think he just said F*ck it.
Coogan
Benign neglect?
I think all of those other threads had just about run their course until last Friday.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: 100Coogn on June 30, 2022, 04:36:40 AM
And here we have the hall monitor once again interjecting himself. Can't resist.
I thought, perhaps, you preferred the 'herself' pronoun.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on June 30, 2022, 10:51:33 AM
Arlo if you go back and look at all of your posts in this thread and probably in every thread, you don't offer any opinions on the subject and you don't discuss anything. All you do is henpeck people for what they say.
But I do feel a little bit sorry for you since you said that you are half blind, overweight and disabled.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 30, 2022, 10:55:47 AM
Arlo if you go back and look at all of your posts in this thread and probably in every thread, you don't offer any opinions on the subject and you don't discuss anything. All you do is henpeck people for what they say.
But I do feel a little bit sorry for you since you said that you are half blind, overweight and disabled.
Thanks for your unsolicited sympathy. If you go back and look (in many threads but this one, specifically) you will likely still ignore how you complain about others exercising your biggest flaws. You've even inspired others to be as bad at it.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Eagler on June 30, 2022, 11:46:20 AM
This roe vs wade thread needs to change to gg vs arlo...
Eagler
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Tig on June 30, 2022, 11:48:46 AM
Arlo if you go back and look at all of your posts in this thread and probably in every thread, you don't offer any opinions on the subject and you don't discuss anything. All you do is henpeck people for what they say.
But I do feel a little bit sorry for you since you said that you are half blind, overweight and disabled.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on June 30, 2022, 12:09:11 PM
cant or I thought it didn't apply to the discussion we had.
but if you really want, I'll answer it. a single cell is life, and all life is precious. then why we constantly kill life? we do it for nourishment, for survival, to get what we want and sometimes for fun.
semp
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: knorB on June 30, 2022, 02:09:38 PM
So you're killing fetal cells for nourishment, survival, and fun? :headscratch:
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: guncrasher on June 30, 2022, 02:20:48 PM
cant or I thought it didn't apply to the discussion we had.
a single cell is life, and all life is precious. then why we constantly kill life? we do it for nourishment, for survival, to get what we want and sometimes for fun.
semp
Your post.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: guncrasher on June 30, 2022, 02:38:33 PM
Do you have a license to hunt single cell life forms? (Martian game warden glares.) :old:
I need no stinking license I got connections. I'll just be an illegal alien. jump over the border, I'm still not sure if I'll trap and release or bring one to put on my wall.
semp
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 30, 2022, 05:53:53 PM
LOL, you say the country is going down the toilet. What happened to majority rules. Right now it is the party that got the least, rules over the majority.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Eagler on June 30, 2022, 06:14:27 PM
Potato head in Madrid talks tough on restoring abortion..
Does he even know how conservative Spain is about abortion?
LOL, you say the country is going down the toilet. What happened to majority rules. Right now it is the party that got the least, rules over the majority.
No one knows what you're talking about.
For one, the United States is not "majority rules."
Second, the Supreme Court does not rule over anyone or make laws. The judges that Trump put in place were placed there under the party that got the most votes.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: knorB on June 30, 2022, 06:30:42 PM
For one, the United States is not "majority rules."
Second, the Supreme Court does not rule over anyone or make laws. The judges that Trump put in place were placed there under the party that got the most votes.
They can thank Harry Reid for this outcome. He was warned not to do it. In his arrogance, he never thought the other side would use their rules against them.... enjoy.
The nuclear option was first invoked in November 2013, when a Senate Democratic majority led by Harry Reid used the procedure to eliminate the 60-vote rule for judicial nominations, other than nominations to the Supreme Court. In April 2017, the nuclear option was invoked again, this time by a Senate Republican majority led by Mitch McConnell to also eliminate the 60-vote rule for Supreme Court nominations and thereby end debate on the nomination of Neil Gorsuch.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 30, 2022, 06:52:16 PM
For one, the United States is not "majority rules."
Second, the Supreme Court does not rule over anyone or make laws. The judges that Trump put in place were placed there under the party that got the most votes.
You are not that bright either. The Repubs, the minority, are dictating what the Dems can do.
If no majority rules then why is Biden the Prez? He got the most EC votes.
The House has more Dems than Repubs and gets things done.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: knorB on June 30, 2022, 06:58:30 PM
So it wasn't that the election was rigged, it was because Trump got the least EC votes that he claims he should be the Prez. Not that it matters, he also got 7 million less votes.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on June 30, 2022, 07:20:25 PM
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: knorB on June 30, 2022, 07:35:13 PM
Poor baby fails to understand you need 60 votes in the senate... Unless you think the nuke option is warranted? As i already posted, that's what got us to where we are now. Careful what you wish for, milosh.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: knorB on June 30, 2022, 07:37:44 PM
Whistle-blower exposes emails about them not wanting Fetal Cells to be widely known in use of creating the "vaccine."
https://gettr.com/post/p1ghyt5ace2 "Australia (NSW): Vaccinated are 99% of hospitalized, 97% of admitted to ICU, and 95% of deaths
Even if you account for the "unknown vaccine status", vaccinated account for 95% of deaths.
73% of all deaths are triple or quadruple vaccinated.
This is worse than bad. This is catastrophic."
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: zack1234 on July 01, 2022, 08:01:34 AM
Who will save monkey ?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on July 01, 2022, 08:04:02 AM
A guy at work developed an auto-immune disease recently. A couple weeks ago he started getting round, purple circles on his skin. They look like deep bruises.
His doctor told him that it could have been caused by the vaccine.
We were talking the other day and he told me that he thinks it was the vaccine. He's pro-vaccine. He's about 30 years old. He told me he's never sick, bit after getting the shot he's been sick all the time and now has an auto-immune disease.
I if the doctor thinks it could have been the vaccine and he said the doctor says yes. He said the doctor also told him that they didn't want to take the vaccine but were forced to. Some quit but most of the doctors and nurses got the vaccine.
There's probably no way to prove it was the vaccine, but there's enough crap happening to vaxxed people that it makes me glad I never got the stupid thing.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: zack1234 on July 01, 2022, 08:06:43 AM
I have a rash
But I have had it since 1989
Is it related ?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Chris79 on July 01, 2022, 08:10:27 AM
I’m not entirely sure, but I think they passed an amendment or some such thing that made it a federal deal.
The point was, "should".
Would you prefer that amendment be struck and simply allow each state to decide the issue of slavery?
If someone gave you the power to make that happen, is the state a better place to decide issues like that? (Assume that there is a law that a states slaves can't be transported across state lines.)
If not, why not?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: MiloMorai on July 01, 2022, 11:23:57 AM
I cannot sleep at night because of slavery in the US a hundred years ago
The UK is still not happy about Rome enslaving Britons in AD71
Slavery in the US you people :rofl
Slave ships left GB for Africa, picked up slaves for America and then brought cotton to GB.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: sparky127 on July 01, 2022, 12:06:40 PM
A SC ruling isn't anywhere NEAR the same thing as a Constitutional Amendment. I don't think there was nearly as much division in the US in 1865 as there is today when the 13th was ratified. I believe it would be nearly IMPOSSIBLE to get ANY amendment ratified today with the current political climate in the US. Mainly, because the lefties would SURELY try to attach some sort of leftist bull pucky to it. Also... I believe the .gov fedzilla has already FAR overreached its authority in this "loose band of independent States".
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on July 01, 2022, 12:07:21 PM
The roe versus Wade decision isn't a law. Just is not a constitutional right and that each state can still make it a law however they want.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Meatwad on July 01, 2022, 12:13:07 PM
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: sparky127 on July 01, 2022, 12:13:17 PM
Jeej gets it. PLUS... The vast majority of Americans are perfectly fine with slavery, as long as they can continue to get giant Chinese-made TVs at Walmart for $300.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: CptTrips on July 01, 2022, 12:38:09 PM
Jeej gets it. PLUS... The vast majority of Americans are perfectly fine with slavery, as long as they can continue to get giant Chinese-made TVs at Walmart for $300.
I think you and GG are missing the fundamental question I was getting at.
Let's try a thought experiment.
Lets assume that despite prior SC rulings, abortion is not in fact covered by right to privacy. Lets assume that the 13th amendment had never been passed.
Assuming this state as tabula rasa for our experiment.
Are these issues so fundamental that they need to be decided at the federal level (by law or amendment)? Or should fundamental issues like these be left to the vagrancies of individual states?
I'm not telling you what the answer should be, I'm just tying to get a forthright, honest answer without deflection.
Basically, are the some issues so fundamental that they should to be decided at a federal level? Or should everything such as slavery, abortion, civil rights always be decided at the state level?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on July 01, 2022, 01:44:20 PM
The supreme court only rules on whether something is in the constitution or not. Abortion is not a right embedded in the constitution. The previous ruling that it fell under the right of privacy not valid
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: CptTrips on July 01, 2022, 01:57:41 PM
The supreme court only rules on whether something is in the constitution or not. Abortion is not a right embedded in the constitution. The previous ruling that it fell under the right of privacy not valid
Again, that is not what I'm asking you. I'm going to assume you don't just have a reading comprehension problem. I'm going to assume you are just not comfortable answering the question I asked.
Or maybe you didn't even bother to read my question. Either way, we're done I guess.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on July 01, 2022, 02:18:00 PM
I did answer your question. My answer is that the supreme Court does not create law. So they do not decide issues that are not already in the constitution. What you seem to be asking is whether or not some issues are so important that the supreme Court needs to make a decision. That's not how it works. They make decisions based on what is in the constitution. If it's not in the constitution then the federal government can make a federal law if they want or the states can make their own laws..
Other than that I'm not sure what you're asking in your hypothetical story
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on July 01, 2022, 02:20:00 PM
And to add to that, no. The supreme Court does not get to decide issues that you may feel are too important. Or hypothetically somebody feels are too important for the federal government or the states to decide.
The federal government can make a law tomorrow that says abortions are legal throughout the land. If they want to make it a fundamental right they can add it to the constitution. So there's your answer. No.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on July 01, 2022, 02:22:45 PM
And who gets to decide if an issue is fundamentally too important to allow states to decide?
If the federal government thinks it's too important for the states to decide they can make a law or amend the constitution.
I'm not even sure what the point of your question was. It's pretty idiotic because the answer is just obvious already.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: knorB on July 01, 2022, 02:37:01 PM
Why do they hate the 10th? Because they are a bunch of busybodies, thats why.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Oldman731 on July 01, 2022, 02:51:04 PM
Basically, are the some issues so fundamental that they should to be decided at a federal level? Or should everything such as slavery, abortion, civil rights always be decided at the state level?
The answer to the first question is a three-letter word. That's why we have a federal constitution. All of the ratifying states agreed that the topics dealt with in that document were so fundamental that they had to apply to everyone in every state. The subsequent constitutional amendments dealt either with similar fundamental questions, or with administrative aspects of the federal government.
Deciding what matters are so fundamental that they have to apply to everyone is the reason we only have 27 amendments. It's tough to get everyone's agreement.
- oldman
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: CptTrips on July 01, 2022, 02:58:29 PM
The answer to the first question is a three-letter word. That's why we have a federal constitution. All of the ratifying states agreed that the topics dealt with in that document were so fundamental that they had to apply to everyone in every state. The subsequent constitutional amendments dealt either with similar fundamental questions, or with administrative aspects of the federal government.
Deciding what matters are so fundamental that they have to apply to everyone is the reason we only have 27 amendments. It's tough to get everyone's agreement.
- oldman
Thank you for a thoughtful answer to the actual question I asked.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Guppy35 on July 08, 2022, 09:39:26 PM
Can't believe some of the commentary in this thread. So women shouldn't get to decide what happens with their body? I don't see anyone screaming for universal health care, child care, improved education etc. Pay for housing for single parents? As anyone who is a parent knows, this isn't cheap. But I don't see any of the pro-birth crowd pushing any of these things to help take care of kids they demand be born regardless of the cost to the parent.
How many of you are willing to adopt a child regardless of health? Rape and Incest victims have to carry the baby to birth? I'm guessing the same folks pro-birth are death penalty fans too. As some folks know, my wife who is a nurse, found an abandoned baby who had been left to die because of the birth defects he had. We figured we could get that part taken care of in the US. Of course he was an immigrant,and the wrong color for many of the right wing wackos, but that's beside the point. On top of the visible cleft lip and pallet, it turned out our little man is profoundly deaf, has Charge Syndrome, and is developmentally delayed. Thankfully we have a good home, and a family support system that helps us raise Matthew. I ended up having to give up my job to stay home and take care of him as he can get explosive at times. I can handle him when that happens and keep him and us safe. I love my son and anyone who knows me knows that. Having said that, there are times where I wonder if we did him any favors by keeping him alive. His quality of life will never be what my other kids had no matter how hard we work at it. Feeding him through a G-tube, knowing that he'll never be able to be independent.
Again, we have the family support system that helps me keep going as my 24/7 day is now taking care of my son.
But what about those kids who end up forced to give birth and are single parents, dealing with their own issues and don't have the resources to give that baby a chance? What about pregnancies that involve kids with birth defects or the parent is an addict?
Until we as a country are willing to spend the money for health care, housing, education, and there are enough people willing to provide the homes for those babies regardless of health issues, then pretending that outlawing abortion is the humane thing to do is BS. It will end up in the back alley's again, and women will die needlessly. And if you aren't willing to take on one of those babies, then shut the hell up. Talk is cheap.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on July 08, 2022, 10:29:33 PM
Maybe if women didn't carelessly get pregnant and get abortions as if it's popping a pimple.
Whatever happened to responsibility?
Why should I pay for some squeakes baby just because she's a dumbshit?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on July 08, 2022, 10:33:12 PM
What about men carelessly impregnating women and wanting them to have abortions 'like popping a pimple?'
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on July 08, 2022, 10:55:32 PM
If you're a woman and don't want a baby, your options are pretty simple. It's not that hard to protect yourself from an unwanted pregnancy. Still, you better be prepared to care for a baby if you do get pregnant.
That's just a simple and basic moral way of looking at it.
A baby is a life. It's not some flippant thing.
Get diddlying serious. Grow the diddly up
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: RotBaron on July 08, 2022, 11:04:55 PM
Can't believe some of the commentary in this thread. So women shouldn't get to decide what happens with their body? I don't see anyone screaming for universal health care, child care, improved education etc. Pay for housing for single parents? As anyone who is a parent knows, this isn't cheap. But I don't see any of the pro-birth crowd pushing any of these things to help take care of kids they demand be born regardless of the cost to the parent.
How many of you are willing to adopt a child regardless of health? Rape and Incest victims have to carry the baby to birth? I'm guessing the same folks pro-birth are death penalty fans too. As some folks know, my wife who is a nurse, found an abandoned baby who had been left to die because of the birth defects he had. We figured we could get that part taken care of in the US. Of course he was an immigrant,and the wrong color for many of the right wing wackos, but that's beside the point. On top of the visible cleft lip and pallet, it turned out our little man is profoundly deaf, has Charge Syndrome, and is developmentally delayed. Thankfully we have a good home, and a family support system that helps us raise Matthew. I ended up having to give up my job to stay home and take care of him as he can get explosive at times. I can handle him when that happens and keep him and us safe. I love my son and anyone who knows me knows that. Having said that, there are times where I wonder if we did him any favors by keeping him alive. His quality of life will never be what my other kids had no matter how hard we work at it. Feeding him through a G-tube, knowing that he'll never be able to be independent.
Again, we have the family support system that helps me keep going as my 24/7 day is now taking care of my son.
But what about those kids who end up forced to give birth and are single parents, dealing with their own issues and don't have the resources to give that baby a chance? What about pregnancies that involve kids with birth defects or the parent is an addict?
Until we as a country are willing to spend the money for health care, housing, education, and there are enough people willing to provide the homes for those babies regardless of health issues, then pretending that outlawing abortion is the humane thing to do is BS. It will end up in the back alley's again, and women will die needlessly. And if you aren't willing to take on one of those babies, then shut the hell up. Talk is cheap.
Really no one should give your post any consideration with the “right wing wackos” comment…
Nevertheless, you obviously don’t understand what SCOTUS did with Roe. They did not outlaw abortion, they simply gave the right to make their own decisions back to the states and not force Federal law.
Maybe you watch too much CNN and might try actually reading the SCOTUS decision?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: RotBaron on July 08, 2022, 11:09:32 PM
Until we as a country are willing to spend the money for health care, housing, education, and there are enough people willing to provide the homes for those babies regardless of health issues,
Your party has the Presidency and the votes in Congress to do this, so get started on it already!
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: guncrasher on July 08, 2022, 11:17:05 PM
If you're a woman and don't want a baby, your options are pretty simple. It's not that hard to protect yourself from an unwanted pregnancy. Still, you better be prepared to care for a baby if you do get pregnant.
That's just a simple and basic moral way of looking at it.
A baby is a life. It's not some flippant thing.
Get diddlying serious. Grow the diddly up
a baby is a life. but you aren't willing to help that life grow.
semp
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on July 08, 2022, 11:22:13 PM
Abortion is not a right and never has been under our constitution. That's what the ruling says and any numbskull should agree with that, unless they can magically find that abortion is a right enshrined in The Constitution.
The Supreme Court decided based on actual law - that abortion is NOT a constitutional right and never was.
Not sure how informed some of you are, but the SC did not outlaw or ban abortions.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on July 08, 2022, 11:28:46 PM
a baby is a life. but you aren't willing to help that life grow.
semp
If I have a baby, I'll help that life grow. If you have one then YOU should help that life grow. And if you can't afford a baby, you shouldn't be dumb enough to have one.
Why do you guys always expect a handout for EVERYBODY? Handouts teach people to live off of my tax dollars - which is money involuntarily seized from me and distributed to lazy bellybutton bums in a lot of cases.
Really, I'm not against taxes. That's what makes our country work. However, the government will never have enough of our money. The more they suck from us the more they waste.
This shirt starts with the family and properly raising responsible people. Work hard and be responsible.
Sometimes people do need help. Churches and communities have traditionally provided for people in need.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: guncrasher on July 09, 2022, 12:06:10 AM
If I have a baby, I'll help that life grow. If you have one then YOU should help that life grow. And if you can't afford a baby, you shouldn't be dumb enough to have one.
Why do you guys always expect a handout for EVERYBODY? Handouts teach people to live off of my tax dollars - which is money involuntarily seized from me and distributed to lazy bellybutton bums in a lot of cases.
Really, I'm not against taxes. That's what makes our country work. However, the government will never have enough of our money. The more they suck from us the more they waste.
This shirt starts with the family and properly raising responsible people. Work hard and be responsible.
Sometimes people do need help. Churches and communities have traditionally provided for people in need.
we all get handouts honey, we just don't call them that.
have you paid enough taxes to pay for those roads, you drive on, do you think your parents paid enough taxes to pay your first 12 years of school, assuming you weren't home schooled, do you think you have paid enough taxes to pay for ss retirement benefits, while at same time pay for police, fire department, roads, I can go on and on.
trust me you haven't paid enough taxes to pay for what you have taken already. but all of us together can.
semp
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on July 09, 2022, 12:27:10 AM
Wow. You have no concept of taxes.
Are you asking me if I paid for all the roads I drive on personally? You can't be serious. I pay taxes and some people do not. I paid my fair share and I have every bit as much skin in the game as anyone else.
You probably orgasmed when Obama said "you didn't build that" referring to infrastructure. "we" sure as diddly DID build that. All of us did. All Americans who paid taxes or worked on those projects DID build that.
93% of the federal government's revenue comes from taxes. 50% from individual taxes, 36 percent from payroll taxes and 7 percent from corporate taxes.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: guncrasher on July 09, 2022, 12:38:29 AM
right so what if we used a bit of that to make sure kids don't go hungry.
or you just willing to use it on things you need?
semp
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on July 09, 2022, 12:41:50 AM
How many kids are starving in the United States? We already make sure kids don't starve.
Jesus. You are like totally uninformed. Or maybe just purposely ridiculous. Typical Liberal. Ignoring reality and complaining about non-existent problems.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: TyFoo on July 09, 2022, 01:05:21 AM
How many kids are starving in the United States? We already make sure kids don't starve.
Jesus. You are like totally uninformed. Or maybe just purposely ridiculous. Typical Liberal. Ignoring reality and complaining about non-existent problems.
Whats source are you using? Because that has not been my experience for the last 20+ years.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on July 09, 2022, 01:06:36 AM
Whats source are you using? Because that has not been my experience for the last 20+ years.
my diddlying brain and my common sense.
Prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on July 09, 2022, 01:10:49 AM
How many people do you think die from hunger each year in the united states? How many malnourished and starving American kids have you ever seen?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: TyFoo on July 09, 2022, 01:38:16 AM
You can use a broad brush to paint an idea of what you think you know, or dont. If you want to know how many people die each year of hunger, I am sure Google can provide you a couple hundred pages of stats by various sources.
From personal experience, I can share that we have about 17,000 kids in our school district. In the 5 Elementary schools that are nearest, over 2 dozen volunteers from our School alone provide just over 200 Sack lunches every Friday, delivered to select children of these elementary schools that range from grades 1 - 4, that have been identified needing assistance. These lunches are an attempt to help the kids get through the weekend, which of course it doesn't.
How many of these 7,8,9 & 10 yr olds are gaming the system? I do not know. I live in a conservative, affluent area. So it isn't hard to spot those that have and those that do not.
So when you say that "We already make sure kids don't starve." I repeat, that has not been my experience.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: -gg- on July 09, 2022, 01:44:35 AM
Actually I did Google, how many people die of starvation in the United States each year and there are no results. I'm guessing because it's so rare that they wouldn't have results.
Of all those kids that you're talking about in school, have you ever seen a walking skeleton? A malnourished starving kid?
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: zack1234 on July 09, 2022, 02:40:06 AM
If you have 5 kids by 5 different men the kids should be taken off them and they should be sterilised.
The so called liberal makes a tidy living dealing with the supposed oppressed.
We have the same issue in the UK a underclass with no purpose except to give a living to a middle class job providing social welfare system.
The fact that the majority of black male fatherless youths cannot read is a form of slavery which allows for no chance of betterment.
The fact that you Americans are obsessed by race is hilarious.
Our propaganda ministries try that game on us in the UK but we think it’s hilarious.
If women want to destroy their offspring who gives a damn, Madonna and Jane Fonda will support their choices :rofl
More black unborn are destroyed than are born :rofl
George Floyd the attacker of pregnant women was buried in a gold coffin :rofl
Nothing just happens
No wonder Clinton and rest despise you.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: RotBaron on July 09, 2022, 05:13:15 AM
Can't believe some of the commentary in this thread. So women shouldn't get to decide what happens with their body? I don't see anyone screaming for universal health care, child care, improved education etc. Pay for housing for single parents? As anyone who is a parent knows, this isn't cheap. But I don't see any of the pro-birth crowd pushing any of these things to help take care of kids they demand be born regardless of the cost to the parent.
How many of you are willing to adopt a child regardless of health? Rape and Incest victims have to carry the baby to birth? I'm guessing the same folks pro-birth are death penalty fans too. As some folks know, my wife who is a nurse, found an abandoned baby who had been left to die because of the birth defects he had. We figured we could get that part taken care of in the US. Of course he was an immigrant,and the wrong color for many of the right wing wackos, but that's beside the point. On top of the visible cleft lip and pallet, it turned out our little man is profoundly deaf, has Charge Syndrome, and is developmentally delayed. Thankfully we have a good home, and a family support system that helps us raise Matthew. I ended up having to give up my job to stay home and take care of him as he can get explosive at times. I can handle him when that happens and keep him and us safe. I love my son and anyone who knows me knows that. Having said that, there are times where I wonder if we did him any favors by keeping him alive. His quality of life will never be what my other kids had no matter how hard we work at it. Feeding him through a G-tube, knowing that he'll never be able to be independent.
Again, we have the family support system that helps me keep going as my 24/7 day is now taking care of my son.
But what about those kids who end up forced to give birth and are single parents, dealing with their own issues and don't have the resources to give that baby a chance? What about pregnancies that involve kids with birth defects or the parent is an addict?
Until we as a country are willing to spend the money for health care, housing, education, and there are enough people willing to provide the homes for those babies regardless of health issues, then pretending that outlawing abortion is the humane thing to do is BS. It will end up in the back alley's again, and women will die needlessly. And if you aren't willing to take on one of those babies, then shut the hell up. Talk is cheap.
Nobody outlawed abortion. The Supreme Court properly decided that the Constitution did not see abortion as a right and abortion was an issue for the individual states not the federal government. Some states ban elective abortion but they all still allow it for special reasons.
The rights of women are considered in the abortion issue but so is the right of the child. Acknowledging the right of the child is not denying women's rights. But Roe was about federal government over-reach and the restoration of state sovereignty, not abortion per se.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Arlo on July 09, 2022, 09:18:42 AM
Replace the word 'abortion' with the words 'women's bodily autonomy' and tell yourself that it's all about state's rights. Kinda like slavery.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: FLS on July 09, 2022, 09:32:47 AM
Replace the word 'abortion' with the words 'women's bodily autonomy' and tell yourself that it's all about state's rights. Kinda like slavery.
That's not the same thing. because abortion is abortion. A life other than the mother's is involved - and to that point, allowing the states to allow abortion IS kind of like when they were allowed to support slavery. Just in an opposite way that you think.
Abortion is atrocious. Barbaric.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: FLS on July 09, 2022, 12:05:56 PM
That's not the same thing. because abortion is abortion. A life other than the mother's is involved - and to that point, allowing the states to allow abortion IS kind of like when they were allowed to support slavery. Just in an opposite way that you think.
Abortion is atrocious. Barbaric.
Gibberish
Give the lower orders Big Macs and free iPhones
They are better off destroying their young
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: sparky127 on July 13, 2022, 08:14:44 AM
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Eagler on July 13, 2022, 08:40:11 AM
Someone should post facts about abortion..
Who uses it the most?
Why?
How far along is the average birth terminated?
You now have the idea of floating abortion clinics to bypass state laws that are on a coast
I am hoping it isn't used as often as it sounds like it was but I think it was..
I heard the 10 year old from Ohio rape victim story that had to cross state lines for an abortion...the story potato head repeated ...was all bull sheet..just a story made up from a pro abortion source..
Eagler
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 13, 2022, 11:55:02 AM
All these woman running around claiming "my body my choice". The only thing they are forgetting about is there are actually 2 bodies involved, the woman's and her Fetus. One of them doesn't get a choice.
Title: Re: Roe Overturned
Post by: Eagler on July 13, 2022, 12:09:36 PM
https://youtu.be/Kiy8HvgOwyQ
Sounds like a another jessie story told for a political reaction