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« Reply #120 on: April 07, 2004, 09:02:03 PM »
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Legitimate studies?  


Edit:  I find it amusing how htose debating w/ me completley ignore my challenges.  Here's a couple more:  how well would "White Entertainment Television"  go over?
White radio stations?


I'd like to see how well "white history month" and "Miss White America" would go over as well.

PC is BS mostly. Why can't white people openly express being proud about being white and white history just like black people can? It's because it's not "PC"

The PC crowd is holding the doors of racism wide open and they don't even realise it.

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« Reply #121 on: April 07, 2004, 09:04:28 PM »
The concept of white and black has to forgotten.
And we must be remembered as just silly earthlings.

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« Reply #122 on: April 07, 2004, 09:08:50 PM »
Hey Steve I dig what you are saying man.
I once was trying out for the Dallas Fire dept.
And was told flat out my tan was not dark enough and my boobs where to small.

Oh And I'm a guy.

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« Reply #123 on: April 07, 2004, 09:44:17 PM »
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You wouldn't be repeating yourself Saburo, my challenges go unanswered by you because you do not have the answer without admitting that the bastard child of PC, affirmative action, is racist.

Some people might have been sucked in about how you don't dislike anyone here and you just disagre.. blah blah blah.  That's all nice Saburo, but totally irrelevent to what we are talking about.
This discussion has nothing to do with how you and I feel about each other and neither of us has made this personal, I  think.

I made points that show PC and affirmative action to be racist.
You counter my points by saying... oh wait... you didn't counter my points.  I'll take that as admission of my position being correct.


You, Mietla, as well as others are correct in asserting that Afirmative Action is basically a Government sponsored program that uses racism as a gauge to implement quotas. I've never disputed that. Is it a racist policy? Sure is. Is it a necessary program to undo the more racist EXCLUSION of the past to even the playing field? Yup. Is it fair to those whites that have been denied positions to less qualified non-whites? No.
It was more unfair to totally exclude whole groups of people even if they were more qualified than the white males that were given the position instead. You bet.
Because the whole range of issues from schooling, housing, jobs, etc., were not fair to minorities, AA lowered the entrance bar to allow them in the game, so to speak. It affected a percentage of whites lower in the scoring (Although they scored higher than those minorities let in under the newer, lower scoring guidelines.
Those whites scoring in the middle to high end of the pack were usually not affected under AA. AA is the lesser evil of the bigger exclusionary policies of the past, nec for a time to level the playing field.
Sorry, but white history is usually whats taught in classrooms in schools. The moment black history becomes the norm in our schools, and when minorities rule big business, rule our govt., and rule our schools, then I'll be be willing to have white history month, etc.
AA tries to assure that no group gets left behind.
Although racism still exists, we've come a long way, we still have a ways to go, though.
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« Reply #124 on: April 07, 2004, 09:47:36 PM »
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. Is it fair to those whites that have been denied positions to less qualified non-whites? No.



Right my friend.  I am reading you loud and clear.  It's racist but it's ok because it is racist against white people.
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« Reply #125 on: April 07, 2004, 09:50:08 PM »
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AA tries to assure that no group gets left behind.
Although racism still exists, we've come a long way, we still have a ways to go, though.


What defines the "group" ?

The best way to get over racism is to stop treating  some "groups" of people differently than other "groups"of people.

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« Reply #126 on: April 07, 2004, 09:51:29 PM »
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Sorry, but white history is usually whats taught in classrooms in schools.


Wrong!

Pick up any public school history text book.  MLK gets more coverage than any American President.   Schools in Texas were told to distort history about the Alamo so as to not paint the Mexicans in a bad light.

White history.  This is brutally racist.  Umm other than the real players involved, how can you teach history other than how it occurred.  

I know!  You could falsely add hispanics and blacks into history, just like they wanted to do at the WTC memorial. Let's change history so nobody gets offended.  Brilliant!
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« Reply #127 on: April 07, 2004, 09:54:07 PM »
Here ya go Steve. Now say you're sorry and play nice......

Bias curtails blacks' advancement

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In one of the most innovative of these new studies, Marianne Bertrand of the University of Chicago and Sendhil Mullainathan of MIT measured the extent of race-based job discrimination in the current labor market.

Their study is titled ''Are Emily and Brendan More Employable than Lakisha and Jamal?'' The re searchers sent fictitious resumes in response to help-wanted ads, each randomly assigned either a white-sounding name (Emily Walsh, Brendan Baker) or a black-sounding name (Lakisha Washington, Jamal Jones).

The study found that applicants with white-sounding names were 50 percent more likely to get called for an initial interview than applicants with black-sounding names. What's more, higher quality resumes provided little advantage for black applicants.

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« Reply #128 on: April 07, 2004, 09:54:51 PM »
so Bullett, did you opt for the tanning lotion and a boob job or look for other means of employment?

It was prejudicial to deny you employment but it's OK and PC because you are white.
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« Reply #129 on: April 07, 2004, 09:56:54 PM »
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I'd like to see how well "white history month" and "Miss White America" would go over as well.

PC is BS mostly. Why can't white people openly express being proud about being white and white history just like black people can? It's because it's not "PC"

The PC crowd is holding the doors of racism wide open and they don't even realise it.


I'll tell you what:
Let's have all the whites give up all their wealth and property and be slaves of the minorities for the next 400 years or so. The whites will be excluded from owning any businesses, not allowed in schools, will be treated like animals, will be killed, lynched, all because they were white.
400 years from now, we'll have minorities wailing against the racist policies of the govt for allowing whites to get jobs and entry into schools at the expense of some minorities in the future. We can then support White history month and have a White Miss America. There will be those minorities that'll yell racism and complain about it even though the Miss America pagent and the history classes pretty much excluded whites and concentrated on minorities only.
Extreme example sited to give you a perspective of the shoe on the other foot.
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« Reply #130 on: April 07, 2004, 09:57:00 PM »
The link doesn't work for me bro.  Miami Herald?  lol.  I thought for a sec you were bringing me credible evidence.
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« Reply #131 on: April 07, 2004, 09:59:50 PM »
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Let's have all the whites give up all their wealth and property and be slaves of the minorities for the next 400 years or so.


So this is your excuse for advocating racism against white people?

Our ancestors committed deeds that are now considered repugnant so the living white people should pay for their misdeeds?

Tell you what Saburo, the Japanese brutally occupied China for many years.  What say we let the Chinese occupy Japan for a like amount of time and allow them to murder and rape whom they please?  Sound fair?
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« Reply #132 on: April 07, 2004, 10:02:51 PM »
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Right my friend.  I am reading you loud and clear.  It's racist but it's ok because it is racist against white people.

Misreading me.
What would you do to level the playing field? How would you undo the racist results of the last 400 or so years?
If you can come up with a better solution than AA, I'll be all for it.
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« Reply #134 on: April 07, 2004, 10:05:49 PM »
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Here ya go Steve. Now say you're sorry and play nice......

Bias curtails blacks' advancement


Black and White sounding names? Like what? Isn't that racist in itself to suggest a name can be black or white?

What "white" names did they use? What "Black" names did they use?

They probably used extreme examples from each "perceived" grouping. For example, Im guesing they probably didn't use "Billy Bob Joe", "Bubba Smith", "Slim Walters", or  "Scooter Johnson" as the "white" names.

I didn't know there were specific black names. Did black names like Todd, Scott, David, Ron, William, Steven, George...etc get used in the control group?

What a joke.