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Offline Martlet

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« Reply #75 on: August 01, 2004, 03:39:38 PM »
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Six, your repetitive posting of the TomPaine site doesn't prove Bush as AWOL. Give it up. There's no proof.

But you can quit your "liberal dodge" anytime you like and answer that question.


That's his procedure.  He can't prove his argument, so he dodges you to death.  You've argued with enough liberals to realize they act like 3rd graders when their position stops holding up.   Have you ever gotten facts from any of them?

Rarely.  just cut n paste and cut n paste.
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« Reply #76 on: August 01, 2004, 03:42:10 PM »
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Six, your repetitive posting of the TomPaine site doesn't prove Bush as AWOL. Give it up. There's no proof.


Cartmann: "I am telling you I was not abducted by aliens!"

Kyle: "Dude, there's a sixty foot antenna sticking out of your prettythang!"

Cartmann: "I don't know what you're talking about"
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"My grandaddy always told me, "There are three things that'll put a good man down: Losin' a good woman, eatin' bad possum, or eatin' good possum."" - Holden McGroin

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« Reply #77 on: August 01, 2004, 03:59:03 PM »
Research "Honorable Dischage".

Then come back and tell me it's possible to get an Honorable Discharge after you've been charged and proven guilty of being AWOL.

Go ahead. Show that.

Bottom line, despite all your non-official sources, the USAF gave him an Honorable.

So, you're just wrong.

Then, back on track:

Clearly, however, you question the patriotism of some who served in the military during the VietNam era but did not actually fight in VietNam.

2,100,000 served in Vietnam in the years from 1964-73. This was exactly 24% of the 8444000 who were in the active Armed Forces during those years.

So, what do you think of the 76% of the active Armed Forces that did not serve in Vietnam from '64-'73?

Do you question if any medals they have are legit, or do you question their patriotism?
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« Reply #78 on: August 01, 2004, 04:02:55 PM »
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Research "Honorable Dischage".

Is that french?
 

So, what do you think of the 76% of the active Armed Forces that did not serve in Vietnam from '64-'73?

or do you question their patriotism?

If they were AWOL I would.
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« Reply #79 on: August 01, 2004, 04:09:24 PM »
OK, all done with ya Six.
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« Reply #80 on: August 01, 2004, 04:35:14 PM »
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OK, all done with ya Six.


Aw, cmon, I didn't call you a liberal or neonazi or anything. Just a friendly rib on the spelling(I thought it was clever)

Look, you were positive Iraq had WMD. So sure you wagered on it. Now I am with ya, I still believe that saddam was a threat to distribute WMD, among other things. Now we can't prove this, can we? Of course not, but that does not change what we think, we know better.

Now from what I have read and posted, I can come up with much more to make me believe that Bush was AWOL than I can that Iraq had WMD. Political influence can accomplish alot, including an honorable discharge. When I was 19, I had friends in the NG, and if they did not show up when and where they were supposed to be, they were in trouble, big trouble. It is quite obvious that some things were overlooked while Bush was serving.
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« Reply #81 on: August 01, 2004, 04:56:56 PM »
The question is, though, assuming you are correct, does that make him any less of a man?  Any less qualified to be POTUS?  

You can make arguments tarnishing Kerry's service, too, but in all honesty I don't think they play a part in his bid for the Presidency.
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« Reply #82 on: August 01, 2004, 05:08:15 PM »
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« Reply #83 on: August 01, 2004, 05:18:41 PM »
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http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0185.shtml


FUNKED1,

I'm sorry but being as I am an intellectually superior (my 'Stopping Israeli Aggression - Why Hezbollah are the Good Guys' Professor at U.C. Berkely told me I was after my final essay passed the 'Political Officer's Review') member of the extreme left I'm just going to have to take the opinion of the 23 year old 'Bush/AWOL' expert (you know - the guy who still lives with Mom, etc.) at the local Starbucks over that right wing propoganda posted on aerospaceweb.org.

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« Reply #84 on: August 01, 2004, 05:26:05 PM »
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http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0185.shtml


good link :)
(plus I've seen the the 1st time a plane uglier than the F102 ... the TF 102 :p)

I loved the end,it should become the mantra of lot of people here.

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Nevertheless, the important point to remember is that one can find good and bad elements in virtually anyone's military history. If the military service of both George W. Bush and John Kerry is to be an issue during the upcoming election, then both records ought to be treated with balance and fairness rather than be subjected to double standards.
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« Reply #85 on: August 01, 2004, 06:57:39 PM »
It's simply clear that you are unable/unwilling to hold up your end in the give and take of civil debate. Can't waste any more time on you, sorry.

Funk, excellent link. First time I've seen all that info posted in a single cogent article.
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« Reply #86 on: August 01, 2004, 08:04:57 PM »
Some thoughts to add to the snopes link.

http://www.swiftvets.com

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The Kerry campaign featured the photograph in an advertisement released in May titled Lifetime. Swift Boat Veterans for Truth contacted surviving members of this group to find out how many actually support John Kerry, and discovered that of 19 Swift boat skippers pictured other than Kerry, 11 consider him unfit, 4 are neutral, two have died, and 2 are working with the Kerry campaign. Four other officers were not present for the photo session; all four oppose Kerry.

Only 2 of John Kerry's 23 fellow Swift boat commanders from Coastal Division 11 support his candidacy today.


Most seem to be resentful about Kerry's Vietnam Vets Against the War activities.
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« Reply #87 on: August 02, 2004, 01:46:42 AM »
So what did Bush do 30 years ago? (other than boozing and drunk driving).

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bushdmv1.html
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« Reply #88 on: August 02, 2004, 05:16:01 AM »
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So what did Bush do 30 years ago? (other than boozing and drunk driving).

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bushdmv1.html


Flew fighter planes, for one.  I'm surprised you don't know.  For all the yapping you do, I'm surprised you have to ask that question.  You should take some time to learn about the man that's going to lead our country for the next 4 years.
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« Reply #89 on: August 02, 2004, 06:09:03 AM »
Did he ever flew intoxicated?

Heh guess in USA everything is possible; Even convicted drunk driver can become a president :aok
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