Author Topic: what's this mean? (Read 2640 times)

Skuzzy · « **Reply #30 on:** April 04, 2005, 04:31:43 PM »

Oh geez NUKE. Long story. Very long. It all started when I was sitting in a meeting at Tandy and in walks this kid wanting to sell us something called 'Basic'.
I sat in on a lot of those types of meetings. I have also partied a bit with Mr. Gates.

I'll give hime this. He always knew how to have fun at Comdex/Vegas.

NUKE · « **Reply #31 on:** April 04, 2005, 04:37:55 PM »

Skuzzy, did the business plan express the desire to exploit ignorant people?

The fact is that MS is probably the most user friendly os out there. Mac is the same, but they fugged up by being proprietary.

UNIX, Linux, FreeBDS.....none of that stuff will ever be on average Joe's computer.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #32 on:** April 04, 2005, 04:40:40 PM »

A good marketing plan always exploits the ignorant. It is by design if you want to be successful.

NUKE · « **Reply #33 on:** April 04, 2005, 04:43:08 PM »

Consumers are who decides if a marketing plan will pan out. MS is where it is because they made a product consumers can use.

It's funny.....free OS's can't even dent the market. Why do you think that is?

rogwar · « **Reply #34 on:** April 04, 2005, 04:46:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
A good marketing plan always exploits the ignorant. It is by design if you want to be successful.

Must be why AH has been so popular among this group.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #35 on:** April 04, 2005, 04:47:36 PM »

Nope. In the computer industry the marketing drives the consumer as the consumer is a dolt when it comes to technology.
They buy what they have been convinced to buy.

MS is where it is as it did a great job convincing everyone it had what was needed and then it locked OEM's up so they could not offer anything other option.

Free OS's have no cohesive marketing plan.

NUKE · « **Reply #36 on:** April 04, 2005, 04:53:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Nope. In the computer industry the marketing drives the consumer as the consumer is a dolt when it comes to technology.
They buy what they have been convinced to buy.

really?? How do you explain free OS's ?

straffo · « **Reply #37 on:** April 04, 2005, 04:55:28 PM »

Nope NUKE the succes of window(c) is not marketing nor technologies it's in the locking of the Computer maker like Compaq etc ...

NUKE · « **Reply #38 on:** April 04, 2005, 04:57:20 PM »

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Originally posted by straffo
Nope NUKE the succes of window(c) is not marketing nor technologies it's in the locking of the Computer maker like Compaq etc ...

MS started from nothing. MAC had all the market at the time

straffo · « **Reply #39 on:** April 04, 2005, 05:04:08 PM »

MS-DOS is older than MacOS.

Plus during a long time Compaq and other company were forced to sign agreement with MS (otherwise no MS OS for them one year

)

And this agreement expliclitly force those company to sell a MS OS with each PC,whatever wanted the user.

In the late 80 begin of 90 there was competion for PC OSes like GEM OS by Digital research or OS/2 by IBM.

None was available on big seller PC maker (except OS/2 but only IBM PC)

Skuzzy · « **Reply #40 on:** April 04, 2005, 05:09:03 PM »

Straffo is quite right. MS locked in the OEM's so they could not offer anything else.

However, Straffo, MS-DOS was not out before the original Mac was. The original Mac shipped around the same time as the Radio Shack TRS-80 Model I. The only thing MS had, at that time, was 'Basic'.

I added to my original post NUKE about why free OS's are not mopping up the market.

Straffo, marketing was exactly why MS was able to lock the OEM's into the agreements they did. Marketing to the OEM's. I sat in those meetings.

NUKE · « **Reply #41 on:** April 04, 2005, 05:09:16 PM »

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Originally posted by straffo
MS-DOS is older than MacOS.

Plus during a long time Compaq and other company were forced to sign agreement with MS (otherwise no MS OS for them one year )

In what way were the "forced" to sign an agreement ????

the market is what made MS.

john9001 · « **Reply #42 on:** April 04, 2005, 05:10:32 PM »

MAC killed themselves by making everything propryitary.

you must buy mac os, mac cpu, mac printer, mac software, etc, etc, and you will pay a premium price for the privlige. apple now admits they over priced everything.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #43 on:** April 04, 2005, 05:10:48 PM »

And again, it was marketing that pushed the OEM's into signing those agreements.

NUKE · « **Reply #44 on:** April 04, 2005, 05:13:34 PM »

Skuzzy, you have to admit that MS fills a market need that no other company has to offer, even for free.