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Offline mars01

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« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2006, 11:04:04 AM »
Hey Lynx go get yourself a cup of...

Lighten UP!

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This thread has nothing to with rank.
So why are you the first one to bring it up, twice for that matter.
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Your good bud comes in with Jack-****. Furballer toolsheder blah blah lame old same old.

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Socks, killing troops may slow the enemy from taking bases, but it does nothing to stop the endless Air-Quake furball.
  IT's comments like this, while not very inflamitory but definately weak in substance that invites furballers to threads like this.  

Endless Furballs.  While I like Midnight and his cadre, I rarely see them down in the weeds in a furball.  Most of the time I run into them they are cherrying in from their perch and while they may be good at that, it is not furballing.  

So when midnight speaks of endless furballs I have to think he doesn't really know what a furball is, since I haven't seen endless furballs since before the "Win the War" update.

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Also, I don't like the idea of the miss quote. You have my name to somone elses quote. A quote you clearly have missunderstud in the first instance.

"Your so vain, you probly think this quote is about you, don't you, don't you ohh woa woa ohh oh."

It is you who does not understand.  I don't have your name anywhere near that quote nor was I talking to you after my first sentence.  

And what don't I understand about midnights orignial quote?  What part of a field being down for three hours don't you get about it being bad for Game Play and the arena?

This game is about pitting people against each other in combat, not restricting them from fighting.  When you start doing things that stop the fighting you are missing the point.  

Toad is totally correct in hoping CT will get all you guys out of the MA and into the CT where Strat will be the end all and be all and the MA can finally get bacl to AtoA combat where it started.  

I will be thrilled for you guys and hope you get a strat game that goes beyond your wildest dreams and takes you guys out of ***** up every decent fight that starts in the MA.

Toad made some honest statements about the current strat game.  You got your panties in a bunch and went off half cocked on him.

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It's a free speach forum but if your good bud wants to make such comments it would be honourable to be at least qualified in his field.
Toad is more than qualified to talk on AtoA as well as Strat.  I'd bet all my perks he'd spank you in both areas.
« Last Edit: January 26, 2006, 11:11:10 AM by mars01 »

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« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2006, 12:07:21 PM »
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This game is about pitting people against each other in combat, not restricting them from fighting.  When you start doing things that stop the fighting you are missing the point.  


Can you point me to a quote or a source for this statement? Or are you just making that up and hoping folks will believe you? I was under the impression that the game was a simulation of WWII aviation. I haven’t read anywhere that the game was designed only to host furballs and dogfights. In fact, if the dev’s saw to it to go through the trouble of coding a strat system, I would guess they are designing the game to be something more than just airplane deathmatch.

What I don’t get is why the dedicated dogfighters feel so threatened by a strat system? You come into this thread with your sarcasm and mockery, and then get upset when someone throws it back at you.

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« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2006, 12:16:56 PM »
"What I don�t get is why the dedicated dogfighters feel so threatened by a strat system?"


 You must be new here and to MMP online flight sim/games in general or someone who's just registered under a new ID to troll.

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« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2006, 02:01:53 PM »
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This game is about pitting people against each other in combat, not restricting them from fighting. When you start doing things that stop the fighting you are missing the point.



More than one form of combat. You seem to think Air Quake is the be all end all because that is what you like. If you are afraid a bomber will knock out a FH...kill it. Instead of looking for another dweeb fighter to dust.




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Westy      You must be new here and to MMP online flight sim/games in general or someone who's just registered under a new ID to troll.


Ya think? Did you read his first post that this topic is about. Or was it just a twitch reaction to the word Strat?


i dont got enough perkies as it is and i like upen my lancs to kill 1 dang t 34 or wirble its fun droping 42 bombs

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« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2006, 02:03:44 PM »
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"What I don't get is why the dedicated dogfighters feel so threatened by a strat system?"


 You must be new here and to MMP online flight sim/games in general or someone who's just registered under a new ID to troll.


I am relatively new. But, how is that considered trolling? Judging from the responses from Toad and company, it certainly seems that they're afraid of a strat system, does it not?

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« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2006, 02:08:56 PM »
They're not afraid of a strat system. the problem is the dweebs that use use and abuse it.

 "Strat" in AH has put serious gameplay-effecting power into the hands of the few.  For example one player can easily ruin the dogfighting enjoyment of many.

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« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2006, 02:09:10 PM »
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Hey Lynx go get yourself a cup of...

Lighten UP!

 So why are you the first one to bring it up, twice for that matter.
 
   IT's comments like this, while not very inflamitory but definately weak in substance that invites furballers to threads like this.  

Endless Furballs.  While I like Midnight and his cadre, I rarely see them down in the weeds in a furball.  Most of the time I run into them they are cherrying in from their perch and while they may be good at that, it is not furballing.  

So when midnight speaks of endless furballs I have to think he doesn't really know what a furball is, since I haven't seen endless furballs since before the "Win the War" update.

 
"Your so vain, you probly think this quote is about you, don't you, don't you ohh woa woa ohh oh."

It is you who does not understand.  I don't have your name anywhere near that quote nor was I talking to you after my first sentence.  

And what don't I understand about midnights orignial quote?  What part of a field being down for three hours don't you get about it being bad for Game Play and the arena?

This game is about pitting people against each other in combat, not restricting them from fighting.  When you start doing things that stop the fighting you are missing the point.  

Toad is totally correct in hoping CT will get all you guys out of the MA and into the CT where Strat will be the end all and be all and the MA can finally get bacl to AtoA combat where it started.  

I will be thrilled for you guys and hope you get a strat game that goes beyond your wildest dreams and takes you guys out of ***** up every decent fight that starts in the MA.

Toad made some honest statements about the current strat game.  You got your panties in a bunch and went off half cocked on him.

 Toad is more than qualified to talk on AtoA as well as Strat.  I'd bet all my perks he'd spank you in both areas.


You done gone an done it again.  Or as I would prefer to say in plain and understandable English. You have miss quoted yet again.  Perhaps it's "my bad" if I missunderstand that a guys name followed by a quote is to be taken as the quote by the said named.  Or to define in another way.  You have my name followed by quotations.  Infering to the reader that the substance of the quote was indeed submitted by the prefixed name.  It would be err cool if you could correct that in your following posts.

Mars01 post 2733 with reference to rank
So why are you the first one to bring it up, twice for that matter.

 I didn't is the simple answere.  I mentioned Strat bombing helps rank in a reply to slimey-J.  Perhaps you have been befuddled my the word "Statistics", in a reply to Toad.

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And what don't I understand about midnights orignial quote? What part of a field being down for three hours don't you get about it being bad for Game Play and the arena?

The part about it being outdated by over a year.  The part about it being irrelavent as part of your arguement / opinion to game play today.  Midnight did say or words to the effect " there used to be a time when".

Here's something for you to ponder over!........In todays strat  system when a toolsheder porks a field generally it only affects other toolsheders or "win the war types".  In plain understandable words YOU, as furballer, are hardly affected.  You don't carry bombs and you don't use troops.  The only possible infringments to you as a furballer is 1) Lack of dar but not the dar bar.  2) On the odd occasion your fuel is reduced to 75%.  Now if your going to tell me 75% effects so and so plane I'll show another plane that it doesn't.  If your going to argue that it stops the offensive furball ,if there is such a thing, I'll argue about the fat, slow, loaded, lumbering porker not being shot down.  Same goes for the Uber porker that we have whizzing around these days.

Something else I better point out before you go off on one.  This thread is about "STRAT" bombing.  Hanger bombing is done to death in loads of other threads.

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Toad is more than qualified to talk on AtoA as well as Strat. I'd bet all my perks he'd spank you in both areas.

I don't need your perks mate I got over 17,000 of um, in one form or another.:rolleyes:
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« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2006, 02:11:37 PM »
I just have to wonder if the term "Air Quake" comes about simply
because the users are so poor at it.  Of course, you might feel that
it's more difficult to spray loads of bombs at non-moving targets then
it is to ACM. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2006, 02:13:49 PM »
I'm only semi-new (playing since November) but I've noticed the Furballers are the most viciously defensive crowd in here. Whenever I've seen an idea on the Wishlist board that would be of benefit to strategy and base capture, inevitably you'll have about 50 posts with some variation of "NO NO NO NO NO THAT WILL KILL THE FITEZ!!!!"

And of course, the furballers are VERY quick to make and support any suggestion that will make things HARDER on strat and base taking as it already is (which that in my experience so far is ALREADY the hardest thing to do in the game).

God forbid the furballers realize that if they COORDINATE their efforts with the base takers (furball until cap established and fh's knocked out, then move on to the next field. Lather, rinse, repeat) it allows EVERYONE to have fun.
Ron White says you can't fix stupid. I beg to differ. Stupid will usually sort itself out, it's just a matter of making sure you're not close enough to become collateral damage.

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« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2006, 02:35:52 PM »
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They're not afraid of a strat system. the problem is the dweebs that use use and abuse it.

 "Strat" in AH has put serious gameplay-effecting power into the hands of the few.  For example one player can easily ruin the dogfighting enjoyment of many.


Can you give me an example of a situation in which one player easily ruined the dogfighting enjoyment of many?

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« Reply #40 on: January 26, 2006, 02:56:09 PM »
Easily!

 Go to the search function, enter the word "toolshed." choose the General Discussion forum and you'll quickly get back five pages of discussions. going back to 2001, on this issue with more examples of it than I can count - or want to bring to your attention for you.

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« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2006, 05:01:55 PM »
Y'know, furballing and NASCAR have a lot in common. They both have an overwhelming number of fans, but when you get right down to it, it's really only a bunch of guys driving around in circles.
Ron White says you can't fix stupid. I beg to differ. Stupid will usually sort itself out, it's just a matter of making sure you're not close enough to become collateral damage.

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« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2006, 05:47:32 PM »
Lynx are tou female?  Cause you argue like one.

You didn't type this????

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Having checked the score system I see your skills as a fighter pilot makes us feel almost unworthy of your input. A fighter pilot with a hit percent of 3.77% makes us sprey oops I mean prey for your fighter escort skills. Also your attack hit percent is impressive with 160%. You could clear up the tiny oil tank in town that we may miss. We could also rest assured that you wouldn't give up becuase out of 58 sorties you killed 56 guys, only dying 43 times with an impressive 13 landings.

Hmm, because it certainly looks like this is the first place anyone started talking about stats and score.  You know the more I talk to you the more Something is starting to smell like tuna.

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You done gone an done it again. Or as I would prefer to say in plain and understandable English. You have miss quoted yet again. Perhaps it's "my bad" if I missunderstand that a guys name followed by a quote is to be taken as the quote by the said named. Or to define in another way. You have my name followed by quotations. Infering to the reader that the substance of the quote was indeed submitted by the prefixed name. It would be err cool if you could correct that in your following posts.
Anyone reading the posts knows who said what.  It is so obvious that it doesn't need a road map to understand.  If your too re____ed to figure out a post maybe you should stop reading them.  You need a friggin protocol just to establish context.  How about your brain :rolleyes:

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The part about it being outdated by over a year. The part about it being irrelavent as part of your arguement / opinion to game play today. Midnight did say or words to the effect " there used to be a time when".
OMG LOLH.  can you pick any other meainingless parts of that quote.  Who cares when it was, the fact is his context is that in the glory days of AHI the strat could knock a field down for 3 hours.  Any person that thinks that is a good thing should fly off line.  LOLH

OMG  Do you have any clue about this game?  
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!........In todays strat system when a toolsheder porks a field generally it only affects other toolsheders or "win the war types". In plain understandable words YOU, as furballer, are hardly affected.

Drop the FHrs where the fight is and who are you *****...?  I'll let you think about that for a while.......:rolleyes:
Ok, ok don't start crying.  Shhhhhh,  come here...I'll give you a hint...  (Mars looks both ways to make sure cost is clear and we are alone)...  "It's not the Bombers or the GVs"  Bwaaahahahahaha LOLH.

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If your going to argue that it stops the offensive furball ,if there is such a thing, I'll argue about the fat, slow, loaded, lumbering porker not being shot down. Same goes for the Uber porker that we have whizzing around these days.
By your comments alone, it is obviouse you have no idea what makes or happens in a furball.  

Offensive Furball hahaha  There is no offensive or defensive to a furball.  Once one side pushes toward the others base with any effectiveness, the furball is over and it turns into a horde vulch fest.  

Only on the rare occasion do we get a furball that just exists between two bases where guys don't have to worry about morons dropping hangers or maroons just flying over looking for one vulch and then death.

Why would any of us looking for good fights want to chase some dive and run tool  ...shedder.  You guys aren't even worth the effort, especially when you would rather be fighting someone that can.

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I don't need your perks mate I got over 17,000 of um, in one form or another.
Nice dodging the point.

For all the reading impaired...  If you cant figure it out, I am done adressing Lynz and now moving on to Saxman.. LOLH :rofl

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And of course, the furballers are VERY quick to make and support any suggestion that will make things HARDER on strat and base taking as it already is (which that in my experience so far is ALREADY the hardest thing to do in the game).
 
We'll sax having all the knowledge of anyone that addmittingly said they have only been here since Nov.  Do you think you may have it all wrong?

What is hard about base taking?  How easy can it get.  Hmm Assign guys to VH and Fighter hangers, assign guys to town, drive a goon.  If your any good at it at all, you'll send guys to deack and cap, guys to drop VH and Guys to Town.  Ohh so hard.  As slap says - MAW101
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God forbid the furballers realize that if they COORDINATE their efforts with the base takers (furball until cap established and fh's knocked out, then move on to the next field. Lather, rinse, repeat) it allows EVERYONE to have fun.
Yeah, I've seen the great organised raids, you maroons fly the horde over, drop the FHrs, leave the VH and then start asking...  "Duh did anybody bring a goon?  duhhh which way did he go george."  So here are all the guys that want to fight flying around in circles wishing the were 50 fighters upping instead of Flak Panzers LOLH  Yes God Forbid. hahahaha

Im not a big NASCAR fan but it is obvious that you don't know much about either.
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Y'know, furballing and NASCAR have a lot in common. They both have an overwhelming number of fans, but when you get right down to it, it's really only a bunch of guys driving around in circles.


As I have said time and time again.  Put 3 untouchable fields somewhere that it doesn't affect teh war and you guys can have any little strat system you want and I would be thrilled for both of us.
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« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2006, 06:15:35 PM »
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There's only one point in playing these games: to shoot at someone. The rest of it is dross.     The fight's the thing.    The fight's the ONLY thing.



If this is ture... Why does HiTech say the game is about...



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Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective of Aces High.  


Looks to me like the guys who made Aceshigh had other plans for the game....

Feel free to read about AH gameplay here...

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« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2006, 06:28:29 PM »
"What is hard about base taking? How easy can it get. Hmm Assign guys to VH and Fighter hangers, assign guys to town, drive a goon. If your any good at it at all, you'll send guys to deack and cap, guys to drop VH and Guys to Town. Ohh so hard."

Well, you've already hinted at the first part. Three fighters and a Goon can't take a defended base. Everyone has to be clear about what's going on, who's taking what and hitting what. Who's bringing the ords? Who's riding shotgun? Who's got the troops? That part ALONE is one of the biggest challenges.

That's not even THINKING about base defenses. Of the base captures I've been on, RARELY has it been successful when the enemy's had guys in the air to defend. Meaning you've got to get that field capped. ONE fighter making it off the ground and finding the goon, (did that the other night, actually) or getting enough of the troops, is enough to screw the whole operation (have seen THAT happen many times). One Flak or M-16 sneaking through cover into the town can blow a whole fight. New fighters coming in from other bases  can break a cap, so frequently somone needs to get the attention of nearby fields. That's any number of opportunities for a capture to be distrupted, and I haven't touched on porkrunners knocking out ords or troops of any bases in range.

And then you only have a small window of opportunity. Even if the Goon is rolling well before the target is prepped, Ack, VHs, FHs, fuel and the town only stays down for so long and it takes time to get drunks to the field. That's something ELSE I've seen happen with base captures (most of the time I'm flying escort/superiority so I've participated in quite a few). Troops are in town, up pops the ack or some building and all that work is shot.

So wow, yeah, that's REAL easy. Makes one wonder how base captures fail at all. At least in a furball you can largely control your own fate. That's a LOT riding on the team, the enemy, and just plain luck.

"Yeah, I've seen the great organised raids, you maroons fly the horde over, drop the FHrs, leave the VH and then start asking... "Duh did anybody bring a goon? duhhh which way did he go george." So here are all the guys that want to fight flying around in circles wishing the were 50 fighters upping instead of Flak Panzers LOLH Yes God Forbid. hahahaha"

Well that's not a "great organized raid," then, is it? Otherwise the guy in charge would've thought of that and made sure there WAS a Goon. Oh, and btw, most guys I fly with on captures--especially the ones that are successful--kill the VH first.  Actually, most guys prefer to keep the fh's intact so the base can be used right away to take on the next one (I'd rather nail them both, but that's just me).
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