Author Topic: Bring back dropping fuels to 25% (Read 8509 times)

ChopSaw · « **Reply #105 on:** March 10, 2006, 08:15:19 PM »

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Originally posted by LePaul
Chopsaw and Dedalos...geez, get a room or some instant messenger going on! LOL

This thread has a few gems of good ideas tho. Clearly strat targets that have meaningful values and hardness is needed. Sorely.

Its not my intention to unbalance anything. I just have an issue with the hardness of fuel being the way it is now, while ordinace can be knocked away very very easily. Those who disagree with that, simply go see for yourself and try it. Any cannon bird can annihilate ordinance in serveral quick swoops.

I havent seen anyone from HTC chime in as to what we can hope to see in the future in regards to this issue.

I really don’t want to get a room with him. He’s not my type. I’m into women. I'm assuming he's not a women and that he has never been, but my wife would be ticked in either case. I also don’t want to get into an IM situation with him. Can you imagine how much he’d be messaging me? One shudders to contemplate the horror of it.

I too think this thread has some good ideas in it. Nor do I wish to unbalance things. Rather, I’d like to see them rebalanced. Your points on ordnance and fuel are well taken and I certainly agree with them in principle.

I don’t think the guys at HTC really like to announce their plans in advance. I suspect they get enough “fan mail” as is. Besides, where would the surprise be? Surprise! Your bombers are nerfed. Hurray!

Masherbrum · « **Reply #106 on:** March 10, 2006, 08:17:57 PM »

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Originally posted by ChopSaw
The guns on bombers are far from lasers, particularly in AH2. You’ll find elsewhere in this thread a post on that very issue. Gun convergence is now permanently set at 500 for bombers and the gun solution for bombers is completely different in AH2 versus AH1. This comes straight from Skuzzy. The over all effect has been to nerf the bomber guns in AH2. Their fire is now dispersed rather than set to a point as is the case with a fighter.

If you’re taking 20 minutes to catch a bomber formation, you’re taking the wrong plane. Try a faster one. P-38’s are great. Good climb and ample speed to catch the bombers. A Hurricane can do it, but it takes forever to get them to altitude and catch up. I’ve watched them do it and I almost feel bad when they finally get there and I shoot them down. Almost. I’m able to shoot them down despite their four 20mm cannon because they’re newbie’s. Only a newbie would use the Hurricane in that fashion and their attack shows it. You might also try attacking in a different fashion than sitting out on a bombers six pounding away. You’re right in the bombers primary kill zone and you are going to get shot down.

It takes more rounds to down a bomber than it does to down a fighter. However if you have pumped 5 rounds of 37mm into a bomber with no effect, then you are flat out doing it wrong. In short, you’re hitting it in the wrong place or more likely you’re hitting it in a bunch of places that are all wrong. If you hit any of the bombers critical areas with that kind of fire power, the bomber will go down. If you just strafe a bombers fuselage, you’re more than likely going to fail even though there are some critical areas in the fuselage as well.

A fighter has the speed and maneuverability. It can attack and withdraw at its leisure. There isn’t a fighter in the game that can’t take down bombers. Fighters have the capability to take bombers down with barely a scratched. Now doesn’t that make sound like a fair deal that the bombers take more punishment? Don’t believe me? Ask Ack-Ack. He did it all the time with his P38.

And you’re whining?! Sheesh!!!

Sweet, keep considering me a newbie for annihilating buff's in a Hurricane. If you think I'll hit you from the 6, you'll need to take another puff of the crack pipe. Nothing better than someone "assuming one is a newbie".

Karaya

ChopSaw · « **Reply #107 on:** March 10, 2006, 08:26:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Sweet, keep considering me a newbie for annihilating buff's in a Hurricane. If you think I'll hit you from the 6, you'll need to take another puff of the crack pipe. Nothing better than someone "assuming one is a newbie".

Karaya

You’re right. I shouldn’t have made that allegation. In my defense I do say their attack shows them to be a newbie. That is the style of their attack rather than the fact they're using the Hurricane. Please know that I have the utmost respect for the Hurricane. Those four cannon scare the bejesus out of me and they seem to be a fairly tough fighter when it comes to taking hits. I always use far more ammo on them than I should because I am in a greater than usual hurry to get them out of my sky.

Still……doesn’t it take you an awfully long time to climb to 14K and catch up to a bomber formation?

Masherbrum · « **Reply #108 on:** March 10, 2006, 08:34:00 PM »

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Originally posted by ChopSaw
You’re right. I shouldn’t have made that allegation. In my defense I do say their attack shows them to be a newbie. That is the style of their attack rather than the fact they're using the Hurricane. Please know that I have the utmost respect for the Hurricane. Those four cannon scare the bejesus out of me and they seem to be a fairly tough fighter when it comes to taking hits. I always use far more ammo on them than I should because I am in a greater than usual hurry to get them out of my sky.

Still……doesn’t it take you an awfully long time to climb to 14K and catch up to a bomber formation?

Nope, I'll grab towards the buffs, and about 2k below them I level. get speed, I'll come in at angles, rarely get hit too.

Karaya

ChopSaw · « **Reply #109 on:** March 10, 2006, 08:40:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Nope, I'll grab towards the buffs, and about 2k below them I level. get speed, I'll come in at angles, rarely get hit too.

Karaya

I'll look forward to it. I shoot guys down all the time when they try that approach. Some are better at it than others though.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #110 on:** March 10, 2006, 09:01:52 PM »

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Originally posted by ChopSaw
I'll look forward to it. I shoot guys down all the time when they try that approach. Some are better at it than others though.

I come in from underneath. GL. Most go down in flames. Buffs weakest point IN HERE is underneath, Belly turret or not.

Karaya

Stang · « **Reply #111 on:** March 10, 2006, 09:08:24 PM »

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Originally posted by ChopSaw
The guns on bombers are far from lasers, particularly in AH2.... The over all effect has been to nerf the bomber guns in AH2.

So just what drug are you on? Whatever it is, it sure has made you retarded, lol.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #112 on:** March 10, 2006, 09:13:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Stang
So just what drug are you on? Whatever it is, it sure has made you retarded, lol.

Hell, if Buff guns were anything like in the MA, The Luftwaffe wouldn't have fought any Allied fighters. Bombers would have kilt em all.

Karaya

Stang · « **Reply #113 on:** March 10, 2006, 09:17:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Hell, if Buff guns were anything like in the MA, The Luftwaffe wouldn't have fought any Allied fighters. Bombers would have kilt em all.

Karaya

Yup.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #114 on:** March 10, 2006, 09:24:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Delirium
A squad of 6 guys (and I have a certain squad in mind) would routinely shut down every field's fuel, shutting down game play for 2/3 of the arena.. half couldn't get to the fight, the other half didn't have a fight.

Yea, a whole squad of 6 guys should affect 2/3 of the arena hitting buildings that know really 'mad' acm.

I was in one such Squad "352 Pale riders" only 6 of us and yes we would take down the fuel over an entire front. Though usually only against one side, either rooks or bish. Usually rooks as those were the days of the huge nightly rook Horde

It got to the point where people were PMing our CO and practically begging him for us to stop porking the fuel.
Somewhere along the line I saw and prefered Troops and ammo as being better primary targets and would myself only tend to prefer to pork fuel where the huge hordes were upping from.

Still my prefrence today. If I see a nice even fight and I feel like baseporking, normally I only pork troops. That actually helps the furballers and it preserves the furball by reducing the threat of a capture.
but typically if Im baseporking I attack where the hordwarriors are comming from. You know, the guys that up 20 people to attack a base being defended by none,1 or 2 people.

But as for porking fuel, I used to be very good at porking all the fuel in a tiffy at any sized base in no more then 2 passes. Rarely was I able to pork more then 1 base by myself in a single flight. For that to happen it had to be either two small bases, or some of the fuel had to have already been hit at one of them.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #115 on:** March 10, 2006, 09:29:47 PM »

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Originally posted by ChopSaw
Show me the six pilots that could shut down 2/3 of the arena on a map like the Pizza! It cannot be done. The fields pop back up too fast. If you’re talking about small maps, then the six might have a chance and they should. Bombers, gv’s, boats and fighter aircraft are designed into this game. Not just your favorite fighters.

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On Pizza we never managed it. But we did manage it on the other maps. Not 2/3 of the aena but certainly all the front line bases.
I know we did it on the small maps regularly and on that one real pretty map with te palm trees which was a medium sized map as well as that one other big map EVERYONE hated (not pizza)
but we never managed it on Pizza map

Meatwad · « **Reply #116 on:** March 10, 2006, 10:58:33 PM »

I liked it when the fuel could go down to 25%. It made it fun to take a 190-D9 and go around porking fuel at random airfields

ChopSaw · « **Reply #117 on:** March 11, 2006, 02:57:04 AM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Hell, if Buff guns were anything like in the MA, The Luftwaffe wouldn't have fought any Allied fighters. Bombers would have kilt em all.

Karaya

And if fighters attacked in WWII in the manner they attack in MA, you'd be correct. But they didn't. They actually did it correctly. Correctly is not sitting on a bombers six and expecting not to get shot.

You stated that it is effective to come from below into the belly guns of a bomber. You say you shoot them down all the time with your Hurricane. Now you complain the bomber guns are too good. Which is it?

For the record, Karaya, your stated method of attack is not the one I refer to as correct. If you were to advocate that tactic to someone who knew what they were doing you'd be laughed at. Please. Be my guest. Tell Ack-Ack that's a good way to attack bombers. He'll get a kick out of it.

Guys like you do it wrong, get shot down and then complain because you get shot down. If you shoot the bomber down, you think you’re the greatest thing since sliced bread. The fault is not with bomber guns. It's with fighter pilots that don't want to do it correctly. Fighter pilots who want their targets easy.

ChopSaw · « **Reply #118 on:** March 11, 2006, 02:58:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Stang
So just what drug are you on? Whatever it is, it sure has made you retarded, lol.

Seriously. Try to come up with something better. This dates you.

ChopSaw · « **Reply #119 on:** March 11, 2006, 03:05:31 AM »

DREDIOCK,

Thanks for your input. How long did you find your group of six could maintain the suppression and for how many bases back of the front line? Also, please speculate on how you believe your tactic would work today in AH2 with the closer spacing of the fields.

Finally; why did you do it? To tick people off or did you find it an effective strategy for winning the war or at least contribute to your side winning the war?