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Offline Jackal1

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« Reply #240 on: May 02, 2006, 08:50:31 PM »
Get a rope. :D
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« Reply #241 on: May 02, 2006, 08:55:42 PM »
See Rule #5
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« Reply #242 on: May 02, 2006, 09:01:39 PM »
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Godzilla! Er, crumb, er - oh you know who I mean... Glad you like your gas guzzling trucks. What I want to know is why the USA seems to be the only country (apart from oil rich OPEC countries) that operates these grandiose petrol powered vehicles? How does the rest of the world get by without them? :confused:


Not sure how the rest of the world is. Here in Arizona, my trucks need to be able to hall 4 men and a gross load of around 22,000 pounds ( truck and trailer)

What else should I be doing to hall these loads? My customers pay for the gas.

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« Reply #243 on: May 02, 2006, 09:06:23 PM »
anyone know how much ethanol it produced from whatever unit (bushel, ton, etc.) of corn?
i looked all over teh 'tardnet last night when i was wondering about it but came up dry.  I did learn so stuff, though...

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« Reply #244 on: May 02, 2006, 09:10:53 PM »
Last I read up on ethanol, it took more oil to make a gallon of it, than to make a gallon of gas.  Or more natural gas to make it, or more coal to make it.

Basically, to produce ethanol in quantities to be useful, depends on fossil energies.

Then there is the lack of a distrbution system for it.
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« Reply #245 on: May 02, 2006, 09:19:00 PM »
See Rule #5
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« Reply #246 on: May 02, 2006, 09:19:07 PM »
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. I hate when posts are edited. Ill sit here now just wondering what he could have said.

Beetle pm me ur last post, i need to noe.

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« Reply #247 on: May 02, 2006, 09:25:49 PM »
oooooooooooo beetle is from europe.  Sorry buddy but i hate those little cars.  U would get more power if u took the engine out and stuffed myself in the engine bay.  I bet ill smoke the tires:lol   IF i get in a car and lean to one side and it flips over its not for me.

So why is gm tryin to push this ethanol so hard. There is either somethin we dont noe or there full of it.  I noe its supposed to peform just as good or alittle better then gas.  I noe that we started developing it here since last year. Ill see if i can dig somethin up if i but some time.

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« Reply #248 on: May 03, 2006, 03:51:36 AM »
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Last I read up on ethanol, it took more oil to make a gallon of it, than to make a gallon of gas.  Or more natural gas to make it, or more coal to make it.

Basically, to produce ethanol in quantities to be useful, depends on fossil energies.

Then there is the lack of a distrbution system for it.


Yeah, i read that last night when i was googling around for the information i was looking for.
Some enthusiasts say its not true.  
One thing i read that was interesting is that ethanol = 113 octane.
Another interesting thing i noticed was that google was a pain in the neck when it came to digging up the info i was after, so i went to wiki instead.  
I've been doing this more & more lately.  
Could be soon that wiki begins to replace google as the top 'tardnet portal.

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« Reply #249 on: May 03, 2006, 04:00:56 AM »
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oooooooooooo beetle is from europe.  Sorry buddy but i hate those little cars.  U would get more power if u took the engine out and stuffed myself in the engine bay.  
I invite you to come over to Europe, and we'll go for a little drive, for example the A9 between Frankfurt and Munich in Germany. It's 190 miles, but you will come to realise why I call it a "little" drive. I think you'll find it... interesting. After that, we'll see what you have to say about European cars not having any power.
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« Reply #250 on: May 03, 2006, 05:10:21 AM »
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anyone know how much ethanol it produced from whatever unit (bushel, ton, etc.) of corn?


Its all according to how cured the hardwood is that is used to fire the sti......no wait.
If you double the number of coils in the copper tubing, double the sugar...............ummmm........nevermind..w rong process. :D
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« Reply #251 on: May 03, 2006, 05:20:54 AM »
very similar process.

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« Reply #252 on: May 03, 2006, 07:04:40 AM »
I always wondered how much fuel say...NASCAR uses in a season. These figures available?

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« Reply #253 on: May 03, 2006, 08:02:20 AM »
beet... we are getting closer..  are you saying that you do not think there should be any additional taxes or fees(a fee is a tax) on American fuel and that we should let supply and demand set price?  

 You seem to be saying that we let price set demand while I am saying to let supply and demand set price... those can be very different.

Now you are saying that the more scarce oil becomes the more that we will dvelop new tech which is exactly what I have been saying all along.

Do you now agree that the sooner supply dwindles the sooner new tech will be developed?

sooo... anyone driving a car that conserves fuel is part of the problem while Americans are the biggest part of the solution as usual?

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« Reply #254 on: May 03, 2006, 09:53:44 AM »
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beet... we are getting closer..  
Awwwww.... :o:)
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are you saying that you do not think there should be any additional taxes or fees(a fee is a tax) on American fuel and that we should let supply and demand set price?
Not for me to dictate American fuel price policy. If there were to be a small additional tax, demand might be less, but as 69% of people questioned (in excel's report) said that the current price of gas is causing them financial hardship, it might not be a good time to be increasing fuel taxes. Even our own chancellor, Gordon Brown, has backpedalled on tax rises on fuel, and for him not to tax something you know it must be serious. I think he's still smarting from the memory of the 2000 fuel tax revolt!:eek: As for whether a gasoline tax would be good or bad, I think there is merit in Mr. Toad's suggestions further up ^ in which a proportion of the price of a gallon of gas goes to organisations who can develop and deploy a renewable fuel source such is biodiesel or fuel from wheat etc. Apparently, ~40% of road fuel used in Brazil comes from these renewable fuel sources. (More on it in that Fiona Legatte link ^)
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You seem to be saying that we let price set demand while I am saying to let supply and demand set price... those can be very different.
I'm saying that world-wide demand is going to be high regardless of American consumption, because of China's industrialisation. The price of crude is likely to stay where it is or rise higher - much higher if everyone follows your lead to use up the world's remaining oil in the shortest possible time. Thus the price will stay high, and will govern (ie. suppress) demand in the USA.
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Now you are saying that the more scarce oil becomes the more that we will dvelop new tech which is exactly what I have been saying all along.
I've been saying that all along myself. Clearly there is no way (concerns about global warming notwithstanding) that billions of $$ are going to be spent developing a new source of energy if there were to be 250 years worth of oil sitting in the ground waiting to be tapped.  
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Do you now agree that the sooner supply dwindles the sooner new tech will be developed?
Supply will dwindle quite fast enough, without any concerted effort to use up the oil as fast as we can! Besides which, if your whole country were to do what you'd like them to do, and drive hotrods that get (dare I say it) 12mpg., the extra demand for crude oil would push up the price, and that would depress demand, and people would switch to fuel efficient Japanese imports. Oh wait, they already have. So as you can see, the rate of consumption will find its own level, and will be governed by one thing, and one thing only: Price.
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sooo... anyone driving a car that conserves fuel is part of the problem while Americans are the biggest part of the solution as usual?
The higher the demand for crude oil, the greater will be its price. If demand could be reduced, the reduction in price might even leave some spare cash for the development of alternatives. But by driving ridiculous gas guzzlers that get... er, (no! I can't say it twice in the same post LOL) you're just playing into the hands of OPEC and doing exactly what they want you to do.

The big problem for America is that it is dependent on ~13m barrels of imported oil daily. In an oil sellers' market, which is what we have right now and may have for years to come, you're going to be at the mercy of OPEC. That's bad enough, but is made worse by the fact that quite a number of OPEC member states are not sympathetic to American interests.