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« Reply #180 on: May 07, 2006, 09:42:17 AM »
moot... that is really really well said.  That would be a perfect description of what I would call the plan if I had the power.

Can you imagine being an immigration official in charge of hunting down and arresting employers today?   "what do you do for a living?"  "oh..  I arrest employers who hire illegal aliens."

"oh... so what do yo DO for a living?"

Operation "Do your frigging job!"

I love it moot.

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« Reply #181 on: May 07, 2006, 09:59:31 AM »
Hehe :)

It's great that you're actually doing something.  If I had the patience to deal with people and the courage to wade thru all the BS and red tape of bureaucracy, I think I might have made a career of it.. I'm better at working in scientific research, but I do think I'll get involved to a certain degree once I've got citizenship, even if the odds are against me.
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« Reply #182 on: May 07, 2006, 10:03:58 AM »
Also "operation do your ****ing job could entail enforcing our imigration laws and deporting any "sleazy scumbag" illegal caught in the country.  

I'd love to see the "sleazy, scumbag law breakling" illegals taken off the steet corners for good with a few high-profile round-ups as well as the employers getting nailed. Both.

Really, I just want all of our laws enforced. Punish the sleazy scumbags who who hire illegals and deport the sleazy, dishonest, law breaking illegals who are caught here, no exceptions.

I don't see where we are thinking any differently lazs, except maybe that you don't seem to want to punish any illegals for breaking our laws.

How many illegals do you think would be standing around on the streets looking for work if they knew they would be deported if caught?

Just enforce the laws, that's all I want. I also want real penalties for being caught here illegally.

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« Reply #183 on: May 07, 2006, 10:05:48 AM »
Nuke I think his point was that it's the most efficient pressure point.
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« Reply #184 on: May 07, 2006, 10:20:11 AM »
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That money aint free. U have to pay it back.  I noe a guy that cant finish until he starts sendin payments.  Im not sure how much but i noe it aint cheap.  Why else would girls strip to pay for college.  Its to bad im not sexy in a thong.  Regardless the goverment flips the bill i need money in my pocket for books,etc.  If i could just go to college completely free like if it was high school i would go. The goverment wont give me along with my aid money to eat and to take the train.  


Actually, unless things have changed in the last few years, you are mostly wrong.  

First, your need is computed based on tuition, supplies, room and board, and living expenses.  

Second, a large portion of the financial aid available comes in the form of grants.  (State and Federal, though I am not sure what NY offers.)  

Third, of course you can "finish" school before you start paying back the loans.  In fact there is a grace period (I believe it's like 6 months) after you graduate and even then the US Dept of Ed (who administers the Direct Loan program) is quite liberal in repayment methods and even forebearances (requested time to not make payments due to inability).

Fourth, even if they compute that you can afford to pay more than you actually can there is a non need-based version of the Direst Loan that can help cover the gap.

True, you do have to pay back quite a bit of money, but it is well worth it.

Remember, you said this:

"This is a country that if u hav the desire to be great nothin can hold u back."

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« Reply #185 on: May 07, 2006, 10:46:56 AM »
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That money aint free. U have to pay it back.  I noe a guy that cant finish until he starts sendin payments.



From your writing, I do don't think it's the illegals that are preventing you from getting a job.



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« Reply #186 on: May 07, 2006, 11:03:43 AM »
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See Rule #7  (one more time and you are gone, read the rules)


Where are the rules? cant find them.

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« Reply #187 on: May 07, 2006, 11:56:55 AM »
nm found them

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« Reply #188 on: May 07, 2006, 12:44:00 PM »
Here is a link to a well thought out debate on this very subject.

http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=17263

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« Reply #189 on: May 07, 2006, 12:46:38 PM »
again... moot explained what I am saying.

It isn't a matter of me not wanting illegals arrested... it is a matter of me not wanting to waste a lot of tax money and resources on some feel good worthless program.

I have no interest in having my money be spent on fat assed immigration cops rounding up a few illegals and then... while they are filling out the paperwork.....  ten times as many as they 'caught" are back across the border.

build the walls.... hire a bunch more border watchers....  be mean to an illegal if that will make you happy but....

at some point we will have to solve the problem... and the problem is...

THEY ARE COMING HERE BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL HIRE THEM.

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« Reply #190 on: May 07, 2006, 12:47:59 PM »
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Desperate people do desperate things. We are all the sons and grandsons of desperate immigrants, who came here with nothing but the clothes on their backs and hopes and dreams of a better life. Alot of us seem to forget where we came from.

 
And you all speak English now, and WANT to be Americans.
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« Reply #191 on: May 07, 2006, 03:13:16 PM »
This is a BIG problem.

Going after the employers is great idea but....
Once they are gone do you really think that every illegal is going to just shrug his shoulders and say, "Oh well, it was fun while it lasted." in whatever language, and just march back to where they came from?

At that point i picture major crime waves as these illegals become wolf packs out for there own survival by any means needed.

Then what do we do? Form town militia's, and help the police/feds or whoever to gather every one of them up?

Unless the govt. comes up with a REAL plan on paper, and follows it through WITH the co-operation of the citizens, i honestly don't see anything changing. How many citizens actually have the honor and loyalty to this country, or even the balls to take on such a job?

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« Reply #192 on: May 07, 2006, 03:32:26 PM »
This just in... some (if not many) illegal aliens use fake identification cards and fake social security cards.

The employer is under NO obligation to verify the authenticity of these documents.
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« Reply #193 on: May 07, 2006, 10:41:12 PM »
Ack-Ack i could careless what u think,  this isnt about goverment aid.  I could came with a suit and tie to a interview but when they can get someone else for half the price they got u beat.  Thats the point, and it goes right over ur head.  I did my papar work and they didnt cover it all, and i still needed books and transportation.  It was a nice school out in long island with football and the whole 9.  Did well on the entrance exam and since i had no money i figured i would just start in the spring but i still havent found work.  I need to cover the other expenses that uncle sam doesnt pick up.  My ex girlfriend was goin to a good school butt due to money problems ended up tranferin to a moron school.  If its diferent in ur state maybe i should move.  Im just tellin the story from here in nyc.  

 ACK-ACK if u think im a moron or somethin i could truly careless, u dont noe me and i live on the other side of the united states.  HOw can u possible now what i deal with every day i get up in the morning.  If it was as easy as u say i would be studyin for exams or working.  BUt im not.  If there was jobs left and right then yea im being a jerk but thats not the case.  Fill out 50 applications on the web and in person, talk to people and have people out lookin for jobs for u..... still no job.  Then ill do a simple job with a friend, unloadin tiles off a truck, in a 2 and a half hours i made a quick 40 bucks......... i ask the guy if there would be any more jobs later on and he tells me, while today is not a normal business day, i normally get mexicans.  The guy starts laughin and gets into his bmw and drives off.  I dont mind workin for my money but dam, aint nothin out there.  Any other job i get its either a hook up or a temp job, im not doin well with either.  A quick meat head job will pay the little expenses, i wont get it when the can get some illegal to do it for less then half.  Thats the point, not how i perform during an interview or how i speak to an employer, but the fact that these guys work for peanuts and dont give u a chance to even compete for the job. The last job i worked was a ups temp job during the holidays.  Only reason i got the job was the fact that i aced the interview.  BUt ur tellin me that im makein excuses and i dont know how to carry myself infront of these people.  That seriously steams me.  I hav been fightin my whole life to just stay above water but u reach a time where u either lose ur mind or run out of gas.  My problem is the fact that these illegal mexicans give employer a different mind set, it goes from best guy for the guy to, the lowest bider.

Speed55 if these illegal mexicans want to try to start a crime wave here in brooklyn it aint goin to work. First sight of a illegal gang in my next of the woods is goin to be trouble for them, we will handle them.  The goverment needs to step up.  Lazy american and other guys that live off of there labor are goin to fight tooth and nail to keep them.  Regardless anythin somethin has to happen.

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« Reply #194 on: May 07, 2006, 10:49:04 PM »
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This just in... some (if not many) illegal aliens use fake identification cards and fake social security cards.

The employer is under NO obligation to verify the authenticity of these documents.


Fake SS card? So they report a number that does not exist to the IRS?
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