Smokers..

[eagl]

Ah hell no Guns, I want my folks to be happy, including the addicts

They can have their smoke pit as long as they keep it clean, just as I and my buds can have our little friday afternoon drinkfests and BS sessions as long as we clean up after ourselves.

But the second we have a clean-up day and I find myself picking up butts or beer bottles, that's when the wrath percolates out.  No, the smoking pit won't go away, but it may get inspected a little more often until the smokers quit crapping in their own play area.

Heck, I've gone out of my way to complain that smoking areas are not sufficient when "my" smokers complain about them.  Why should a smoker have to walk all the way around the building and through a muddy path in the rain to a little half-prettythanged shelter barely big enough for 2 people, just to light up?  That sort of thing hurts us more than it could possibly help organizational health goals.  Pave the dang path, put up a decent smoking area, and make it a reasonable concession rather than a punishment for the crime of being a nicotine addict.

Yea I sort of buy into the idea that it should be undesirable to be a nicotine addict, but when it creates a real morale or productivity problem then we need to re-think our priorities.  If they're not going to just flat-out kick out nicotine addicts, then reasonable accomodations need to be made so they can reasonably service their addiction.

[Dago]

It always amazes me that some smokers don't seem to have a clue how offensive the smell of smoking is to most non-smokers.

[eagl]

flakbait,

Photograph her flicking the butt and post the picture of her littering on the bulletin board.  Put on a caption "not ALL smokers litter..."

The best defense is a good offense

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by eagl
Ah hell no Guns, I want my folks to be happy, including the addicts

They can have their smoke pit as long as they keep it clean, just as I and my buds can have our little friday afternoon drinkfests and BS sessions as long as we clean up after ourselves.

But the second we have a clean-up day and I find myself picking up butts or beer bottles, that's when the wrath percolates out.  No, the smoking pit won't go away, but it may get inspected a little more often until the smokers quit crapping in their own play area.

Heck, I've gone out of my way to complain that smoking areas are not sufficient when "my" smokers complain about them.  Why should a smoker have to walk all the way around the building and through a muddy path in the rain to a little half-prettythanged shelter barely big enough for 2 people, just to light up?  That sort of thing hurts us more than it could possibly help organizational health goals.  Pave the dang path, put up a decent smoking area, and make it a reasonable concession rather than a punishment for the crime of being a nicotine addict.

Yea I sort of buy into the idea that it should be undesirable to be a nicotine addict, but when it creates a real morale or productivity problem then we need to re-think our priorities.  If they're not going to just flat-out kick out nicotine addicts, then reasonable accomodations need to be made so they can reasonably service their addiction.

Is it at least a "no hat no salute" area?  our Reg states that we are not allowed to let the trainees see us consume tabacco period so if a trainee is in view of our well camoflaged smoke pit we have to put them out or risk the wrath of the superintendent and trust me you don't want an MTI with CMS chevrons on his sleeves ripping you a new one lol.  Gotta go to bed, roll call in 4 hours.  

[Excel1]

A smoker's freedom ends when I have to inhale his smoke or look at/pick up his trash, period. At that point it's just anti-social behavior to be ruthlessly stamped out

I'm too set in my ways to change so before the new world order takes over and I'm ruthlessly stamped out, can I have one last cigarette?  promise I wont drop the butt




nah, screw that.. lock 'n load

[eagl]

Ahhh roll call!!!!!!  Get up you maggots!

I think the base regs define smoking areas no hat no salute, but the one smoking area I routinely walk through is mostly populated by Marines and they always pop to and give a snappy salute, so I guess it depends on local regs.

I figure a smoking area ought to have a roof, and by definition anyplace "under cover" is no-hat no-salute", so that ought to take care of that.  Putting up a barrier around the smoking area ought to be up to local preferences but it can both make the "smoke pit" feel more like a club, and it can provide additional protection during inclement weather.

Providing a positive image to recruits is a bit of a different matter...  Instructors ought to be "perfect" in every way, and the USAF has decided that smoking is a personal weakness, and therefore a recruit seeing an instructor smoking is really an instructor exhibiting a weakness in front of the recruits... and therefore a bad thing (tm).

[Shifty]

Originally posted by doobs
We used to use ashtrays but they won't let us inside anymore.

Originally posted by dago
It always amazes me that some smokers don't seem to have a clue how offensive the smell of smoking is to most non-smokers.

I'm suprised you can smell anything over all that self rightiousness .

[nirvana]

Thing is Eagl, it's not just their area to crap in, it's their own.  If they want to go home and toss cigarette butts around, good for them, but when they pollute the world on a whole it's something different.

[Debonair]

FDR, churchill, patton, ike, john kruk all smoked
hitler didnt, neither did stalin (except for afghan black hashish) or OJ.
also the stingray the killed that corcodile hunter guy didn't smoke.

not smoking is for wife killing commies!!1
teh cig---->
USA !
USA !
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[doobs]

Originally posted by Dago
The ignition point of gasoline vapor is approx 495 degrees F.  

The temp of a lit cigarette is:
Side of the lit portion: 400 deg C (or752 deg F)
Middle of the lit portion: 580 deg C (or 1112 deg F)

A cigarette can cause gasoline vapor to ignite.

Think about it, if a cigarette can cause trash, furniture and bedding to catch fire, does it sound reasonable it won't cause gasoline vapor to ignite?

I work on a Garage and for twenty years after I learned it a cigarette does not ignite raw fuel, try it before ya mention it. need open flame not smoldering cigarette.  I've scared the watermelon out of people hundreds of times.

Gasoline does not burn the vapors do, and they need a flame.

We always do it to the kids who are comin in to work.

the gas puts the cigarette out, now a match is a different story and
I believe the heat from a match is much lower

and the material u speak of does not put a cigarette out, liquid does

[nirvana]

http://intuitor.com/moviephysics/mpmain.html

Before proceeding further we want to emphasize that obviously, under the right circumstances a cigarette can ignite gasoline with horrific results.

Sounds good enough for me.  The internet is trustworthy, right?

[doobs]

Originally posted by nirvana
http://intuitor.com/moviephysics/mpmain.html

 

Sounds good enough for me.  The internet is trustworthy, right?

you should read it all first. quote from your link.

We lit a cigarette and tossed it into the pan. The cigarette paper wicked up gasoline and quenched the glowing tip without igniting anything (see Figure 4). We tossed in more lit cigarettes. We tried lighting gasoline soaked paper towels. We used long tongs for reaching far away objects to hold glowing cigarettes over the pan at various heights. More than once we placed several glowing cigarettes in the pan (see Figure 5). Our record was 40 glowing cigarettes at one time. In most cases, we allowed the glowing cigarettes to smolder until they went out.


Various experiments were conducted at different times of the day with different air temperatures and humidity. A total of 223 cigarettes of 11 different types were eventually used all without ever igniting the gasoline. Yet, at the end of each experimental session the gasoline was successfully lit using a single match attached to a long pole (see figures 6 and 7). The gasoline would typically ignite just before the match touched it. This indicated that there was an ignitable mixture just above the surface of the gasoline. Numerous lit cigarettes were in this region for significant periods of time.

[nirvana]

I did, I should have made it clear I concede my previous statement that a cigarette will ignite gas fairly easily.

[ghi]

I start smoking in "99, i was 30 years old, first 1-2 cigarettes with a coffe, and slowly got adicted,  1 pack/day.
   My last cigarette was, last year in 1st of december, i heard the doctor on the radio saying to eat carotts, when  need to smoke.
Honestly, it worked for me,

  I bought 12-14 lbs of carotts for the money of a pack of cigarettes about 7-8 CAD,
    I buy "babby carotts", and pack them in "Marlboro " pack,
At the begining i ussed to eat 5-6  babby carotts/day, now i'm adicted to carotts, i need a couple of lbs,
   Aslo ,soo much  A vittamine inproved my eyes view, i see with high resolution, like "Hubble telescop" the cigarettes butts on the streets from 1 mile away, and i'm still drooling,

[Debonair]

vitamin a is toxic if severly overconsumed
Hypervitaminosis A is what they call it

Soon to be posted by ghi