New arena format Part 2 - Use this thread, don't open duplicates

[lazs2]

I don't get it...  

How can 30-40 players not be fun in the new arenas when that many in the AvA is allmost crowded and action packed?

Is is attitude?   Is it that the AvA has a lot of closer fields and that the people tend to go to where the fight is?

Is it that the AvA has a two sided war?

I am sure it is a little of all those things.

What I see is people trying to fly old MA in the new arenas... people not adapting yet....  guys in hurries acting like they are in la7's   high fights when a high fight is worthless...

attempts to runnway dive and vultch a few riskless kills end up with the ack blowing their early war ride out of the sky....

All for the best in my opinion... those things were what was ruining the gameplay anyway..  

Now.. 8 guys trying to shut down a field and vultch end up getting slaughterd and... they find that they can't even run home.. they get caught.

adjustments to gameplay will follow... poor newbies that were absorbed into mega squads and so..... never learned a thing will..... learn the new ways and the good fights will make em better and more respected and a stronger community.   newbies will learn that the HO and the runway dive and whorde not only don't work but...  never were any fun to begin with compared to actualy participating in some acm.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[cav58d]

Like I said...HTC...I challenge you to re-open the old MA, and let the community speak for its self...If after 24 hour's the #'s are still evenly distributed, and the old MA doesnt get the support I imagine it would then I think it will shut all of us up, and we will accept this new change....BUT...If the old main arena becomes the dominant arena for those 24 hours then I think you are seeing a mandate from the people who feed you every night....  I think its worth a shot...does anyone else agree?

[Eagler]

nope

[Laurie]

tis a bit out of order, what happened to development and resaerch or polls or votes.. or even  a damn notification. i logged on thinking what the hell..., had no clue wwhere my m8s were, were my squaddies were and were to go ( an englishman in new york lol "sting") i really enjoyed the community side to game, its what makes it an online game not a nintendo one isnt it.... sort summin out please!!!!

laurie-- hulse2

[lazs2]

I don't think that one day of the new format is such a great way to judge.

People might go to a reencarnated MA right now because they know nothing else and haven't given this one a chance and...

say you are right (I don't think so but)  say you are right... say the new ma takes over and the new arenas are deserted....

How would no change at all solve all the problems that HT states he was trying to solve by the new arenas?

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[Laurie]

and yes i do cav:)

[Mustaine]

cav, in case you didn't read it all...

Originally posted by Pyro
Why did you make this change?

We made this change because it will allow us to support an unlimited amount of players in a much healthier online environment that gives us better long-term growth. The single MA has grown to the point of being unhealthy.  This is not a subjective evaluation, it is quantifiable and they are numbers that we look at every day.  It's obvious that we simply cannot keep pumping more players into a single arena without hitting a stagnation point.  

[Domin]

If you allow the late arena to have the full plane set.. not only would that solve a lot of the community problems, it would also allow HTC to see where the community really stands. Will the late (main) arena be full again? Or will the Early/Mid?

 I think it is a quick way to give the best of both and go from there. I don't see what it could hurt?


 I liked the challenge of fly a 109f-4 in the MA. I understand that some don't. But it would still be nice to have the option.

[Iceman24]

One more thought, what happens when one of the bigger squads that constantly has allot of pilots on jumps over to an arena with 20-30 players in it, they will reset in in about an hour if they all work together. At 1 point yesterday in the late war2 arena there were 23 rooks, 5 knights and 7 bishops... It may have been a blast for the 23 rooks that were all gv'ing and taking bases but for the rest of us it was very boring flying around for an hour looking for a fight. I like ya'lls idea of having a korea theatre but my whole take on this is that if I wanted to fly jets I would go play lockon or falcon or something like that. I joined this game because of the MA and the WWII planeset, and this is a WWII sim... I'm sure I'm just jumping the gun and that things will even out and get allot better, but right now I don't like the change at all. But I am definately willing to give it a chance to grow and balance out with the necessary changes that I'm sure will be emplemented soon. Another thing is that I like to fly with certain players and against certain players, and I liked being able to go into a fight knowing that the enemy plane I am about to engage could be flown by anyone, a good pilot or a bad 1, the way it is now, most good sticks are in the early war arena and the rest are scattered between the other 3. So if I want a good fight, I am basically forced to fly early war because I know thats where most the furballers are gonna be. The other 3 arena's are full of groups of people making buff runs to pad scores and to just take bases to pad scores. IMHO all we have done is turn the MA into an early war planeset only, but like I said hopefully I am just jumping the gun and that things will balance out and I am trying to stay as optimistic as I can because I really enjoy playing this game and would hate to see it messed up

[rod367th]

Hey  some guys like to play no other sides.  late 1 arena had 12 rooks no bishop no nits when i logged on. i changed to nits fought rooks to stand still. every time they came to milk i would kil 3 they would just go another base. I did like the free 262's and perk   was upto 45.o  at 1 time  most time it was 19 or better.   then   rooks change to hitting bishops knowing i can't change. then bish come in  reset rooks. As soon as rooks   getting smacked they log. No need for late war 1 and 2 atleast not yet.

Late war 1 has beciome milkrun arena milk bases reset get perks repeat.

[Bruno]

Originally posted by Tilt
I think very few historians would consider the SpitIX or the Fw 190 A5 early war planes.

We put together an extensive list on aircraft service dates in the A & V section of the forum a few months ago:

Here's the complete list:

Aircraft and Vehcile Service Dates

Aircraft
USA
A-20G ... 5-42
B-17G ... 6-43
B-24J ... 5-43
B-26B ... 5-42
C-47A ... 12-41
P-38G ... 11-42
P-38J ... 12-43(ETO) 2-44(PTO)
P-38L ... 7-44
P-40B ... 1-41
P-40E ... 8-41
P-47D-11 ... 3-43(D5) to 1-44(D11)
P-47D-25 ... 5-44
P-47D-40 ... 1-45(ETO)
P-47N ... 6-45
P-51B ... 12-43(ETO),8-44(CBI)
P51D ... 5-44(ETO),1-45(CBI&PTO)
F4F-4 ... 9-41(ETO),5-42(PTO)
FM-2 ... 6-44(ETO),10-44(PTO)
F6F-5 ... 7-44
F4U-1 ... 2-43(ETO),4-44(ETO)
F4U-1D ... 4-44
F4U-1C ... 4-45
F4U-4 ... 4-45
F6F-5 ... 7-44
SBD-5 ... 5-43
TBM-3 ... 2-43

Britain
Boston MK III ... 5-41
Hurricane Mk I ... 5-40
Hurricane IIC ... 4-41
Hurricane IID ... 6-42
Lancaster III ... 3-42
Mosquito Mk VI ... 7-43(ETO),11-43(PTO&CBI)
Spitfire Mk IA ... 8-40
Seafire IIC ... 10-42,11-43(ETO)
Spitfire V ... 4-41
Spitfire VIII ... 7-43
Spitfire Mk IX ... 7-42
Spitfire Mk XIV ... 5-44,7-45(CBI)
Spitfire Mk XVI ... 7-44
Tempest V ... 6-44
Typhoon IB ... 6-43

Soviet
Il-2 Type 3 ... 10-42
La-5FN ... 3-43
La-7 ... 6-44
Yak-9T ... 1-43
Yak-9U ... 7/8-44

Italy
C.202 ... 11-41
C.205 ... 1-43

Japan
A6M2 ... 7-40
A6M5b ... 8-43
B5N2 ... 7-40
D3A-1 ... 7-40
Ki-61 ... 6-43
Ki-84-la ... 8-44 (CBI),10-44(PTO)
Ki-67 ... 4-44
N1K2-J ... 1-45

Germany
Ar 234B ... 12-44
Bf 109E-4 ... 5-40
Bf 109F-4 ... 6-41
Bf 109G-2 ... 6-42
Bf 109G-6 ... 2-43
Bf 109G-14 ... 7-44
Bf 109K-4 ... 10-44
Bf 110C-4b ... 8-40
Bf 110G-2 ... 5-42
Fw 190A-5 ... 6-43
Fw 190A-8 ... 2-44
Fw 190D-9 ... 12-44
Fw 190F-8 ... 4-44
Ju 88A-4 ... 5-41
Me 262 ... 10-44
Me 163 ... 9-44
Ta 152H ... 1-45

Vehicles
USA
LVT(A)2 ...2-44
LVT(A)4 ...3-44
M-3 Halftrack...3-41
M-8 ...9-42
M-16 ...5-43

Germany
Ostwind ... 8-44
Panzer IV Type H ... 8-44
Tiger I ...8-42

Soviet
T-34/76 ... 2-43

Theatres of Operations
PTO - Pacific
ETO - Europe
CBI - China-Burma-India/CHINA-BURMA-INDIA

The above lists represents what would be considered 'in squadron service', not 'production', or 'service testing'.

We arrived at Spitfire F.IX for 7-42. In fact there were 10 squadrons of Spitfire F.IXs by the end of '42. For the Fw 190A-5 we arrived at 6-43.

The problem AH has with the Focke' Scourge is that with no early Fw 190 variant You would see the up powered Spit V (16lbs boost) and the Spitfire F.IX before any Fw variant. As you noted the IX and later the LF.IX were brought into service to deal with the perceived Fw advantage. That was one of the isssus with the 16lb Spitfire V. Well that and the under powered Bf 109F-4 (that's another story but here's a link: Bf 109F-4 performance page)

If you want more details on how the above list was put together search the A & V forums for Forks discussions. Of course if there are any errors in the list we could pick this discussion up in the A & V forum. Just please provide sources if you wish to make changes.

I don't wish to get into what is defined as early, middle or late. Those on high can decide that. The above is justed posted as 'FYI'. I am not sure if HTC would care to use this list as an aid but it is pretty thorough. However, IMHO it shouldn't be so much about 'service dates' but about 'relative performance'. The closer the planes are to parity the better the fights tend to be.

But what do I know....

Gruß,

Wotan

[Amigo]

PYRO-


What would be your thoughts on a server that would start at Early War plane-set, stay there for x number of weeks, move on to Middle War plane-set for x weeks, and conclude at Late War plane-set with a declared WWI Victor (yes, even if one of the "countries" ends up 100% eliminated from the map at some point along the way)?  Of course, it would have to retain the current bases held by each country between plane-set changes.

Would that even be possible from a technical standpoint with your software/hardware?

[Laurie]

sounds gurd amigo, i like the idea will be better for everything and everyone,

hulse2-- lauire:aok

[Iceman24]

Why not just have a backup MA like we used to for the overflow ? Or like someone else said earlier make a early to mid war arena and a mid to late war arena, there's no need for 4 of them IMHO

[MAG1C]

I think someone may have missed the point when they asked for the Early War Arena to evolve to middle war and then late war after a period of time.  The MA was apparently getting too full.  This arrangement breaks up the players into multiple arenas giving more space for the number of players to grow into.

Personally, I like this arrangement.  Its historically more correct.