Author Topic: Anybody Using Vista? (Read 9682 times)

FOGOLD · « **Reply #105 on:** February 01, 2007, 04:19:35 PM »

Interesting on Firing Squad

FiringSquad: We ran some benchmarks with Aero Glass on and off and noted no performance difference when using Catalyst 7.1! Normally under an OS you see a slight 3-5% performance hit when you turn on the eye candy, but that wasn’t there under Aero Glass which was definitely surprising. Do you think the new driver model helps Aero Glass performance or is it something else?

Andrew Dodd: Basically (pretty much because of the new Vista driver model) the Vista OS just suspends Aero in the background, (once you enter 3D exclusive mode it would be a waste of GPU resources to keep running Aero). So that’s why there’s no performance impact

As a result of the changes Microsoft has implemented in Vista, gaming performance no longer suffers when desktop eye candy effects are left on. This is great news for gamers who enjoy the benefits of Aero Glass, but were concerned with its performance impact: there is none. This is unheard of for a Microsoft OS!

Skuzzy · « **Reply #106 on:** February 01, 2007, 04:27:09 PM »

That is the biggest crock of crap I have read in a while. Of course the OS suspecnds the desktop drawing when it is not needed. XP does that too.

Sheesh.

And yet, game performance is still 15 to 20 % percent lower than XP. They fail to mention that. I hate review sites that are more marketing than review.

Irwink! · « **Reply #107 on:** February 02, 2007, 03:47:23 PM »

As planned, I now have the release version of Ultimate installed in a dual boot config. I'm posting this only to give my first impressions of AH2 running under Vista, not to start any one OS vs. the other arguments.

Machine specs:
HP Pavilion M7680N Media Center PC
E6400 Core 2 Duo
2GB ram
Realtek audio
7300LE graphics card
Vista Ultimate 32 bit
MS Force Feedback Pro stick
Logitech headphones/mic

I spent maybe an hour total Wednesday and Thursday in one or the other main areans just messing around getting a feel for things. Today I spent maybe 2 hours in Blue after setting the standard Vista performance settings for max performance, killing 4 or 5 running processes from Taskamanager. I did not go into system services and kill anything from there.

While I never got into the vicinity of any massive furballs with the consequent FPS hit most people get in such a situation, I did get into areas of what I will call "normal activity" for me. Vista gives me a max refresh of 60 since It doesn't recognize my monitor other than a generic flatpanel, whereas running under XP I normally have my refresh set at 75.

Under XP, using an alternate hardware profile with about 17 running processes, I normally get frame rates from 45 FPS ot 75 while in the air or at a field gun depending on the level of obect activity. Today running under Vista my frame rates were 39 - 60 in simlar areas of object activity. Most people consider the 7300LE to be a low end PCI-E card. I would hope performance would be somewhat better with a better card.

When in the hangar I received alot of snap/crackle/pop. For whatever reason that goes away once I've left the hangar and sound is pretty much as usual with only the very occassional snap or pop. Under XP my sound is flawless.

With the above performance hits noted everything seems business as usual. I got shot up plenty as I was playing with getting view set and remapping my stick on the fly as I didn't take the time to do that offline. But, I get shot up plenty anyway.

IMPORTANT NOTE: I haven't tried GV'ing yet. Like most people (I think) I usually take a big performance hit running around trees and such. I'll be curious to see how it does there.

So while I'll probably still continue to run AH under XP, I don't have any real qualms so far (SO FAR) about running it under Vista. I'm posting this mostly for the benefit of average non-techie users who are thinking about buying new boxes with Vista already onboard. But if you are one of those folks I definitely would not advise getting a low end box!! Repeat: DO NOT GET A LOW END BOX!!

Let the flaming resume...

Roscoroo · « **Reply #108 on:** February 02, 2007, 04:28:52 PM »

IWink ,,
have you gotten any sound loop crashes yet ?? that was my problem with rc2 32 bit .. and your not running two hard drives correct ??

I was getting alot of search type lockups and the Forever Frelling waiting time when ever opening up anything on the second drive from Vista . (one time i went back to reset the mill ,,came back 30 mins later and it was still in limbo land ... (not locked up ,,, just taking forever to access the file)

my fps hit was around 20% all around .. and the 64 bit verson wouldnt even play AH with its ati card in it .

Irwink! · « **Reply #109 on:** February 02, 2007, 05:36:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Roscoroo
IWink ,,
have you gotten any sound loop crashes yet ?? that was my problem with rc2 32 bit .. and your not running two hard drives correct ??

I was getting alot of search type lockups and the Forever Frelling waiting time when ever opening up anything on the second drive from Vista . (one time i went back to reset the mill ,,came back 30 mins later and it was still in limbo land ... (not locked up ,,, just taking forever to access the file)

my fps hit was around 20% all around .. and the 64 bit verson wouldn't even play AH with its ati card in it .

No. I haven't gotten any crashes of any kind yet. I am running two physical disks. I have not experienced any problems accessing any files or working with any files that reside on the other non-Vista disk other than Media Center not getting some of the music album art. I can see the album art when looking at a normal file directory listing but Media Center can't for whatever reason. Media Center wasn't that hot with XP. It doesn't seem much better in Vista so far.

I also see no time lag in accessing the other disk.

Its not a new game - but I always liked Ubisoft's Far Cry and in its day was petty demanding of hardware. I installed that last night, turned all options to max, left Vista set at max visual quality and it was great!

Ultimate comes with both the 32 bit and the 64 bit versions - two seperate disks. I didn't feel like playing around with the 64 bit version which I expect more trouble from. Before I activate it I may play with it if I have time, but probably not. I've got 30 days to activate, minus four.

Wes14 · « **Reply #110 on:** February 02, 2007, 06:21:03 PM »

one of my classes just got new Mac Pcs with 30inch lcd monitors..and the macs seem to outrun the dual core pc's in the main Pc lab (one with pending vista update)

what can i expect out of the new vista on the pc's?

will they be even slower?

will a person more familarized with XP like me have problems using vista?

any other problems with the USB flash drive with XP saved items on it and other weird problems i would run into when our school updates?

ty in advance

FlyingFish · « **Reply #111 on:** February 02, 2007, 07:49:39 PM »

Is there any way that you can buy a new Dell computer and it will NOT be Vista?

Irwink! · « **Reply #112 on:** February 02, 2007, 07:51:29 PM »

My USB flash drive works fine passing stuff back and forth from an XP box to the Vista box.

As for relative speed, I first installed RC1 on a 1.5GHZ P4 with 512MB ram. XP ran like a champ on that box. Vista Ultimate RC1 was verrrrrrry slooowwww.

Irwink! · « **Reply #113 on:** February 02, 2007, 07:52:51 PM »

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Originally posted by FlyingFish
Is there any way that you can buy a new Dell computer and it will NOT be Vista?

Last night Dell still had XPS machines with XP Media Center. Don't know how long that will last.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #114 on:** February 03, 2007, 03:45:51 AM »

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Originally posted by FlyingFish
Is there any way that you can buy a new Dell computer and it will NOT be Vista?

Format c: is your friend.

Nilsen · « **Reply #115 on:** February 03, 2007, 04:11:37 AM »

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Originally posted by FlyingFish
Is there any way that you can buy a new Dell computer and it will NOT be Vista?

Is there any reason why you would want to buy a Dell at all?

Skuzzy · « **Reply #116 on:** February 04, 2007, 07:13:49 AM »

Dell is better than some. HP/Compaq are the worst.

And OEM's have to switch to shipping to Vista as MS will not allow them to do anything else. They usually have a small grace period to rid themselves of the previous OS before being forced to ship the new OS.

However, you might call Dell and ask them if you can still get XP on a new computer.

Nomak · « **Reply #117 on:** February 04, 2007, 08:27:02 AM »

I use my puter for gaming. Once the DX10 games start to get released I will want to play them. I suspect others will to. I am just gonna wait and see. I think there will be improvements from MS, prolly within 6 months.

Dave

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #118 on:** February 04, 2007, 08:58:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Nomak
I use my puter for gaming. Once the DX10 games start to get released I will want to play them. I suspect others will to. I am just gonna wait and see. I think there will be improvements from MS, prolly within 6 months.

Dave

Don't hold your breath. Despite the marketing DX10 is not going to be a revolution in gaming. That and slow adoption rate of Vista will make DX10 titles long in the tooth.

Reschke · « **Reply #119 on:** February 04, 2007, 11:28:01 AM »

This is what all you guys sound like.

Quote

Arthur: I am your King.
Peasant woman: Well I didn't vote for you.
Arthur: You don't vote for kings.
Woman: Well how'd you become king, then?
Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by devine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. That is why I'm your king.
Dennis: Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Arthur: Be quiet!
Dennis: You can't expect to weild supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!
Arthur: Shut up!
Dennis: If I went 'round sayin' I was an emporer just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!.

Just kidding I find it entertaining reading all the "reviews" and then reading what you guys are saying here. I am interested in Vista simply for the parental controls aspect for me since my oldest son is now using the computer more and more and even though I am pretty good and keeping track on him I am not here 100% of the time to make sure that he does what he is supposed to do.