Anybody Using Vista?

[Mini D]

It's not a tangent mr "let me explain how screwed up the RIAA is".

Stop blaming the record companies for being too shortsighted to nip piracy in the bud by drastically dropping prices or figuring out a way to do buisness prior to Vista. Any content put out on the web, even for a price, is pirated. How long did it take for Adobe's book sale system to be hacked enabling "backing up" of files? How long will it take for anything?

Don't blame the record industry for not being able to control these things in a manner that is proffitable for them while saying that vista is over bearing and uncalled for.

Surely you see how one begets the other?

[Brenjen]

It is a tangent when you repeat exactly word for word what I said while trying to argue a counter point; I'd say it goes so far as to be babbling

 You say stop "nobilizing things"...? What exactly is that anyway & how was what I said fitting into it?

 You stop twisting what I said into something I didn't & I'll stop "nobilizing" whatever that means.


"Any content put out on the web, even for a price, is pirated."

 And that statement is just plain out flat not true.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

The thing is Mini D, usually when a company produces a product that costs $.10 to produce and they want to raise the sales numbers, guess what they do?

That's right, they lower the sales price. When one company lowers the sales price, the others respond by lowering even more or giving extra value with the purchase.

That's called free enterprise and competition. Now compare this to record industry and you'll see a pattern forming.

Lower sales numbers := law suits, rise in product price and run for oppressive legislation.

Record sales numbers := law suits, rise in product price and run for oppressive legilsation.

i.e. they want to force everyone to use their products for insane prices, PRICE FIXING AND CARTEL!

[Krusty]

It actually only costs 5 cents to make a CD. Then there's a 5 cent royalty to Sony (or whomever) the patent holder.

FYI: Speed limits aren't there because people speed. They regulate accidents from speeding, they prevent premature wear and tear on the roads themselves (which are only designed to withstand certain sustained speeds, believe it or not), and are only a maximum upper limit. You can drive slower through a wide range of other speeds.

With Vista, you have no option. Your rights to your posessions are disabled. You can no longer do what you want/need to with your own files. This is an infringement on personal choice (thus personal freedom).

Imagine if MS bought out all the TV transmitters in North America, and then said that folks are ignoring all other programming when football is on. Well, the other programs are supported by a long list of VERY rich companies that have put out commercials that are not being seen. They're upset. So they contact MS and have MS disable all high-quality TV feeds. But that's not enough. Now they're down-grading the existing levels by adding static to the picture intentionally, and then they're screwing with the sound so the commentator cuts in and out. On top of that they've added a code that spreads, like a virus, to all VCRs on the planet. Now you cannot watch your old tapes of old games. Tivos get the same virus, only it erases all football content.

All because some rich companies with money out their arses put up a fuss. I'm all for a fight against piracy, but 99% of all profitable piracy is in Hong Kong and Asia. So all Hollywood has to do is stop sending fresh, new, copies of their latest films to Asia. There, problem solved. But noooOOooo... They go and dictate what we can and cannot watch (regardless of whether it's OURS or not!) on our own time, in our OWN house, on our own computers. What the hell has that got to do with piracy?

This is pure bullflop and I think it's pretty obvious. The only problem is that there's a lot of folks ignorant to the issue out there. By the time Vista is debunked as trash, 50% of American households will have it just because "it's new!"

EDIT: P.S. Vista is out this Tuesday according to the paper ads (*shudder*)

[mipoikel]

Originally posted by Bobby
2 simple questions
1. Will AH run on Vista (I have a new computer otw with it installed)

Yes. I have Vista ultimate installed and AH runs fine.


What coms to Vista itself, it seems quite fine and stable OS. It is easy to install and use. So far I have found all necessary drivers for it.

What comes to DRM problem, I agree everyones concern. But.. it is not problem for me because I dont use computer for movie and music purposes.

I may buy music from internet but I usually burn it to disc and it works fine. I may also buy CDs from store and I  rip them, that works too.

And movies, I buy DVDs....


Ripley, finally vidcard was the problem , it was DOA.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by Mini D
It's not a tangent mr "let me explain how screwed up the RIAA is".

Stop blaming the record companies for being too shortsighted to nip piracy in the bud by drastically dropping prices or figuring out a way to do buisness prior to Vista. Any content put out on the web, even for a price, is pirated. How long did it take for Adobe's book sale system to be hacked enabling "backing up" of files? How long will it take for anything?

Don't blame the record industry for not being able to control these things in a manner that is proffitable for them while saying that vista is over bearing and uncalled for.

Surely you see how one begets the other?

Mini D you do realize that the 'piracy' numbers fed to us include back door sales from their factories? And that those sales have far more of an impact on their profits than p2p apps? (please note at this point I've never used p2p file sharing and never will).

DRM is not about stopping piracy. It is about control. Vista's DRM is the first step to an extremely restrictive license model. Back on 2005 the music/movie industry were talking about how they want to limit the number of viewings on a DVD. ie you buy a DVD and you get to watch in 10 times then it expires. Or even an expiry date (watch it by 10/10/07 then the DVD won't play anymore).

[MrRiplEy[H]]

News flash!

Last weekend they tried a nation wide discount on cd's here. Sales numbers went radically up immediately and there were even lines at the shops which have been very quiet lately.

Gee who'd have thunk it?

So instead of whining about p2p and suing people they tried following the market rules and whaddaya know, sales numbers rocketed immediately and everyone profited. Consumers got more music for less and content providers sold more and profited more.

The stagnant or declining sales numbers is nothing but a general consumers protest against overpricing caused by cartel. This is a fact.

[Krusty]

It's not as if they pay the artists anything from the profits on CDs, so the labels are getting 100% profit. If they STOP getting profit they can lower prices and get profit coming in again. N is good. X is bad. 80% of N is better than X, if N=full price and X=no sales.

[Brenjen]

Well I don't know Krusty, even if they don't pay the artist a royalty on every CD sold, they still pay them an unreal amount of money to sign with their label & they are molly coddled. Concerts & CD sales is where they get the cash to pay them. So in a way they are paying them with CD sales.

 The talent's price tag is the reason everything is so high; I'm sure we all remember the infamous hotel destructions, green M&M's & those concert riders you can read online for different pampered high priced singers. All that garbage costs a lot of money, they mismanage on a huge scale & they blame piracy for the decline. P2P piracy is a minor thing even if the millions of songs they claim are stolen each year really are stolen. Most people get crap songs that aren't available on CD, one here & one there.

 I mean really, who would buy a four CD set from K-tel just to hear one crappy song from Marty Balin?? A download is the only logical choice & the music industry didn't provide that option until recently & they still want to charge you $15 for one song. Until they crack down on cassette decks & radio broadcasts they can suck a green one. (imo)


 What's funny is, the same people who will complain about P2P file sharing will get a seat on an apt next to a ball field & watch a baseball game for free.

[Skuzzy]

It really does not matter.  I have been reading a few reviews about Vista and they all appear to paint a rosie picture.  Not one of them even attempts to say anything negative about this pile-of-poop OS.

I really should just shoot myself and get it over with.

[Wes14]

 Skuzzy may go crazy over a dumb O.S System:rolleyes:

[Skuzzy]

No, it's the fact I have to support that pile-o-poop OS.

Already getting the, "Will Aces High II support Vista?" questions from all over the place.  People!!!  It is not up to the application to support the OS!!!  Damn MS's marketing to hell.

[Wes14]

why do u have to support it..i think linux support would be better then vista:rolleyes:

[Skuzzy]

Unfortunately, Linux support would be worse.  As much as I like Linux, it is not something I would ever want to support for a game.

[Roscoroo]

its V-day .... Aurgh .....  time for the "not responsible for people Frelling up there Gamers with this pile O S ... "  

or How about a "Idiots on Vista Forum ..."

(Skuzzy ,   I wont say a word if ya happen to trip over "The Cord" today )