Author Topic: Anybody Using Vista? (Read 9683 times)

Skuzzy · « **Reply #90 on:** January 31, 2007, 07:22:23 AM »

It all depends on the Linux distro MiniD. The one I use is on one CD (there are 4 optional CD's with it) and does not enable any services at all, but asks as it goes through the installation if you want them enabled.

It even has help on what each one is. Brief, but it is there.

But that is the good and bad of Linux. A ton of different distros and all with different approaches to just about everything. Sounds like you might have used the wrong one for your particular application. Again, a problem with Linux. Which distro would/should be used for any given computer installation?

It would be a support nightmare. The only way I could see a game company providing a game, like ours, would be to provide it on a distro of Linux. Not really a great way to do it.

jigsaw · « **Reply #91 on:** January 31, 2007, 07:45:43 AM »

Red Hat is pretty decent, but I don't think you can get it anymore unless you want to spring for the full blown enterprise version.

Krusty · « **Reply #92 on:** January 31, 2007, 11:57:17 AM »

Artik, I tried to get TW running on Fedora Core, and was unable to after a long long time. I even asked for help on the TW forums but didn't get hardly any. Why? Becuase probably nobody else could get it running either. I had to install over half a dozen different modules that weren't there by default, then update some more, then had to mess around just to get sound working. All of this required a lot of searching outside of TW in general linux help searches.

Compiling the kernel, no matter what the linux fans say, is not an easy thing. You run the risk of entirely ruining your OS if you do it wrong. It's not user friendly and its counter-intuitive. I did a lot of reading up about it, but decided it wasn't worth the effort. I ditched linux and went back to a single boot with WinXP.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #93 on:** January 31, 2007, 01:25:34 PM »

Linux is excellent for single persons with a lot of time on their hands. The rest of us with a job and family, there just isn't time or peace to get into it.

A realistic article about Vista: http://consumer.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTI3MywxLCxoY29uc3VtZXI=

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #94 on:** February 01, 2007, 12:54:29 AM »

A BBSpot Vista upgrade chart:

http://www.bbspot.com/News/2007/02/windows-vista-upgrade-decision-flowchart.html

FOGOLD · « **Reply #95 on:** February 01, 2007, 01:47:10 AM »

Ah well, all the gaming sites Firing Squad etc are gushing about vista being "better than expected". No big rebellion there then:rolleyes:

F1Bomber · « **Reply #96 on:** February 01, 2007, 03:19:17 AM »

My only concern with Vista and the increased cost of hardware required to get the system up and running on new machines, i can see hardware manufacturers cutting cost on components and reducing their quality. The best example can be seen today with windows XP Dell machines, that the sound card system are emulated or cause large amount of interrupts to the CPU decreasing performance. I've had 12-15 different machines at work with poorly written internal sound card drivers, needing to be replaced with PCI cards sound cards instead.

No doubt skuzzy you have had problems trying to support sound card systems that are simply not up to scratch of actually producing sound and recording it as well.

I wish i could bring some good news, but it seems like currently Vista because of DRM has disabled sound cards that have local loop backs on the chips to reduce echo recording of sound. This means most sound cards if they rely on this internal sound card loop back will prevent legal usage of the hardware because of piracy.

Nilsen · « **Reply #97 on:** February 01, 2007, 05:20:58 AM »

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Originally posted by republic

I use OSX for work, and Windows because my games make me.

Im in the same situation. if it was not for the urge to get back to AH then i would have been happy in my OSX world.

artik · « **Reply #98 on:** February 01, 2007, 07:35:14 AM »

Skuzzy - most of companies that provide Linux support test it on two three distros (or even one). But if it runs on them than you are able to run these binaries on most of distros.
(ok - probably you can't run 3D game on Damn Small Linux - but it was not build for this)

There are lots of companies that provide sucessefully closed source SW for linux - without problems.

Anyway - most of games that support linux work this way and work absolutly well and all runs out of box or with very little effort.

The reason there are many distros is very simple - there can be many distros and anyone chooses what it needs. From the application - you need to tell I need libraries XYZ with following versions. Each distribution has tools to install these libraries (sometimes yum, sometimes urpmi, somtimes apt, sometimes yast, sometime emerge or packman or even simple rpm/deb/tgz or even build form the source) - however you should not know how small-2-users-distro-that-you-have-never-hear-about-it provides these libraries. You do not care of this - if the user knows how to install them or he knows where to find a help.

About TW - I just want to tell a simple thing - the developers have no idea what linux is and how to build programs for it. (You could run the TW about a two years ago with problems but it is very hard to run it on modern distro). If they build their binaries a two years ago with tens of absolutly legacy libraries don't expect them to run on modern distro. This is not the same for AH because it has frequent releases and it can be close to mainstream.

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Compiling the kernel, no matter what the linux fans say, is not an easy thing.

Do you know how to compile a kernel? I don't! (and I use linux for loooong period and I can tell that I'm experiensed user).

There are lots of prejudice in all connected to linux because people do not use it as main desktop so they don't know how the things work (well).

Anyway... I think the future is in multiplatform software and games. One OS can not control all the desktop market forever.

However Skuzzy - it is up to you - support Vista or Support Linux

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #99 on:** February 01, 2007, 08:02:13 AM »

It's so retarded - even if they managed to lock down Vista beyond all useability thus preventing piracy - the pirates will just use something else instead.

End result: Normal consumer gets crippled bloatware at high price.

Normal consumer thinks he got shafted and asks the pirate for a cracked copy. While getting that he will notice how many other wonderful things there are available. Mission accomplished.

jigsaw · « **Reply #100 on:** February 01, 2007, 08:12:53 AM »

I know.... bring back OS/2

Hey... I liked Warp.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #101 on:** February 01, 2007, 09:27:10 AM »

artik, have you ever written software to deal with multiple joysticks in Linux? Mouse and keyboard are a no-brainer. But that is where it ends for user input devices. Joysticks are a nightmare.

And not one of the three distros I have at home has any type of *native* support for real time 3D graphics, save the kludgy thing ID used for Quake, which is not compatible with many other things and cannot be used for any games today.

Linux is its own worst enemy. There is no common installation method for applications across all the distros. Any application can stomp on anything it wants to with any version of the libraries it needs to use. One day soemthing works, the next day it doesn't after you install some other software.

Do not get me wrong. I prefer Linux over any OS from MS, but in the real world, Linux is simply not a viable replacement for MS OS's.

FOGOLD · « **Reply #102 on:** February 01, 2007, 03:48:33 PM »

Quite! So where does that leave us? Jumping up and down in impotent rage that's what:aok

Skuzzy · « **Reply #103 on:** February 01, 2007, 03:52:26 PM »

No, it just means those who are fortunate enough to be in the know, will avoid Vista and continue with XP.

Wes14 · « **Reply #104 on:** February 01, 2007, 03:53:19 PM »

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Originally posted by FOGOLD
Quite! So where does that leave us? Jumping up and down in impotent rage that's what:aok

say FU to MS and go to Mac:D