Collisions

[Simaril]

Originally posted by Wes14

even funnier when ppl manage to crash their planes into my tank(they think it does damage?

2 days ago I was in a panzer, and some guy in an La5 spots me coming towards their base. So, he strafes me.... nice straight line, and I plastered him with my BB gun. He flies straight into the hull to give me the kill.

So he ups again...IN AN LA5. After one pass dropping his itty bitty bombs, which miss horribly, he...he strafes me.... nice straight line, and I plastered him with my BB gun. He flies straight into the hull to give me the kill.

Some guys just dont learn from experience

[hubsonfire]

Unless you have reactions much faster than my own, if the hardware in the PCs is also functioning at the speed of light, the delays involved of transmitting at only the speed of light won't be significant. Of course, it won't be real time, technically, and someone will probably still whine, but it won't tax my brain trying to think about it.

Coronado, keep in mind, it doesn't matter what part of the plane you hit the other guy with, you will get the same collision message. I've had collisions where I've lost only a tailwheel, and others where I simply explode on impact (from slamming directly into a fuselage or taking a wing in the face). So, you aren't winning any collisions, you're just not taking fatal damage in all of them.

[Bucky73]

Originally posted by WMLute
You hit 'em, you gonna get damaged.  Period.

Uh no....You don't get damaged "Period". I've had collisions that took me down and i've had some that don't do a lick of damage.

Once i even remember hitting a b24 with my pony (on accident of course) and it took his wing off and I went undamaged.

I think if they are gonna have a collision model then BOTH "planes" should go down.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Bucky73
Uh no....You don't get damaged "Period". I've had collisions that took me down and i've had some that don't do a lick of damage.

Once i even remember hitting a b24 with my pony (on accident of course) and it took his wing off and I went undamaged.

I think if they are gonna have a collision model then BOTH "planes" should go down.

Film?

Ohh wait yet again I forget .

They never ever do.

Bronk

[Bucky73]

Bronk....Go watch cartoons or something

Grown ups are trying to have a conversation here.

[BaldEagl]

90% of all collisions happen in this forum and they ARE avoidable.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Bucky73

I think if they are gonna have a collision model then BOTH "planes" should go down.

Well, in this case enjoy going down from collsion when I pass you at a distance of 500ft or even more. You surely won`t whine then, won`t you?

[Bucky73]

Originally posted by Lusche
Well, in this case enjoy going down from collsion when I pass you at a distance of 500ft or even more. You surely won`t whine then, won`t you?

I've been playing 2 years and haven't had that happen and if its happening to you then you might want to get a better connection.

I don't mind going down from a collision....as you should if there is a collision but, as i stated before I don't think EITHER should survive it.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Bucky73
I've been playing 2 years and haven't had that happen and if its happening to you then you might want to get a better connection.

I don't mind going down from a collision....as you should if there is a collision but, as i stated before I don't think EITHER should survive it.

You just don`t understand. The case is described will happen WHEN you get your wish of "both should die".

In this case you would see cons fly at a distance and you will die because on their FE there was a collsion.

[GunnerCAF]

I think most people don't like collisions.  It's easier to blame the "model."  The model is, if you don't hit anyone, you don't collide.

I am not sure that everyone realizes the importance of collisions in simulating air combat.  If collisions were turned off, there is nothing stopping any dweeb from just flying at you and firing as they fly through your plane.  The second is the HO.  The risk of a head on shot is collision.

Anyone who has been playing multi-player air combat before AH will know the ways they would compensate for no collisions.  Each compensation takes you a bit further away from the goal of simulating real air combat.

One more reality problem with simulated air combat is simulated death.  It doesn't hurt, and gets you a new plane faster.  Not the same penalty as real life.  The unwanted delay between the players view on their monitor is actual helping this problem.  Suppose I got mad at some player who was better then me, and I devoted the night to crashing into him.  As it works now, it would only kill me, and most likely give my nemisis kills for my death.

Gunner

[Bucky73]

[E25280]

Originally posted by Bucky73
Uh no....You don't get damaged "Period". I've had collisions that took me down and i've had some that don't do a lick of damage.

Once i even remember hitting a b24 with my pony (on accident of course) and it took his wing off and I went undamaged.

I think if they are gonna have a collision model then BOTH "planes" should go down.

You don't seem to be distinguishing between the orange "you have collided" message and the white "so-and-so has collided with you."  Orange - you collided in your PC world, therefore you took damage.  White - so-and-so collided in his PC world, and he took damage.

The amount of damage depends solely on what the PC decides occupied teh same space with an object.  If it was your wing, your wing comes off.  If it was your tailwheel, the tailwheel comes off.  The former would be catastrophic/fatal damage.  The latter would be "flying off scott free" insofar as collisions go.  But notice "scott free" really isn't - it is merely non-fatal.

[Bucky73]

Ok so then tell me again how your connection would have no effect(as Lute promises) on how your computer "decides" what occupied what at a certain time. If you have a warpy laggy connection then aren't you gonna "win" (for lack of a better word) more collisions?

I'm not tryin' to be a wizeprettythang here either.....I'm curious:D

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Bucky73
Ok so then tell me again how your connection would have no effect(as Lute promises) on how your computer "decides" what occupied what at a certain time. If you have a warpy laggy connection then aren't you gonna "win" (for lack of a better word) more collisions?

I'm not tryin' to be a wizeprettythang here either.....I'm curious:D

Get rid of that "win" word... It seems you are still not grasping that there are TWO relalities in this game:

- One on your opponents computer
- One on yours

How much these "realities" differ depends on the combined lag of both participants. (And don't confuse lag & warping - Everybody has lag, but not everybody is warping. Warping occurs not because of lag but because the connection is unstable).
If I have a bigger lag, the combined total lag is bigger too, so it does affect both you and me in exactly the same way.

How much these realities differ is depending of that total lag.

If, in the reality on YOUR computer,  a collision occurs, you take damage. It's very simple, your computer has not do "decide" anything, especially not "who's fault" it was or other misconceptions.

If, in the reality on MINE computer,  a collision occurs, you take damage.

[68ZooM]

i was flying last night and i was doing a b24 run on there HQ sense it was real close, dropped my eggs and was RTB when i spoted a 262 comming in on me very fast.
now this is the point where i usually get shot down but for some god saken reason i shot the 262 down with my belly guns as he flew under me, i think to myself WOW i got lucky for once and a 262 to boot so i continued to fly home, when im almost home i see a 163 bearing down on me so i'm thinking well im toast now sense the 262 got my engines smoking.

He made his first pass and he killed one of my drones on his second pass i pinged him then got the "insert name here" has collided with you. then i see you have shot "insert name here down" he took enough of my wing off to where i ended up crashing. dont get me wrong here im not mad at the collision after all its a game, but i was curious as to how many perks i would have gotten if i would of landed and not crashed, guess i'll never know but it was fun never the less just the first time i have ever shot down a 262 and a 163 before:D