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« Reply #45 on: April 28, 2007, 03:09:46 PM »
i wish some of this was on our news here... think i will pop off a few emails...
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« Reply #46 on: April 28, 2007, 03:27:39 PM »
According to our news, the plans of relocating the statue caused constant demonstrations in the Tallinn center. Then one night the demonstrations broke out to a violent rampage full with looting and breaking windows and property.

This is when the original schedule of moving the statue got hastened and the statue was removed. And after that the russian minority has terrorized the area with a violent protest. Most people seem to agree that the statue was just a scape goat for an uprising long waited by the russians.

It is true that many of them have lived as second class citizens in Estonia just like estonians lived in Russia. But they only got treated the same like they treated the others. Nothing stops them from moving back to russia anyway - something that couldn't be said about ex soviet citizens who lived behind the iron curtain.

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« Reply #47 on: April 28, 2007, 03:45:26 PM »
All I have seen on the situation is a very brief blurb about the statue removal and some protests. Nothing much else since the first news story. There is darn little news in the States about Europe or Russia.
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« Reply #48 on: April 28, 2007, 03:52:50 PM »
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most of our riot-police spent some time in Chechnya, and they know their enemy.


Chechnian woman, children and the elderly?



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« Reply #49 on: April 28, 2007, 03:59:09 PM »
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I asked it to everyone here, the world is getting pretty small now...

Interesting that it's not in the news in the US. We have open confrontation between RF and EU member, with EU acting as usual: that unshaved female reproductive organ Solana, butcher of Yugoslavia says that riots are Russian fault, German Foreign Affairs Minister said Estonians don't understand what nazism means, and so on.

French NATO fighter squad based in Pribaltika made a first flight over Tallin to demonstrate their presence.

Russian foreign ministry threatened severe consequences for the actions of Estonian govt.

Our Parliament leaders called for a diplomatic relations cancellation with Estonia.

Let's hope that it's not only words again. They killed a Russian citizen and they will regret it.


Now you're *****ing and whining when people protest against socialists?  Boroda, I hope you never leave.  You're a riot (pun fully intended).
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« Reply #50 on: April 28, 2007, 04:17:51 PM »
This thread is going downhill fast.

I abandon ship!

so...

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« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2007, 04:19:04 PM »
Some videos of the "uprising":

http://www.iltalehti.fi/nettitvpopup.shtml
(fourth on the left and others above it)

Normal people are peacefully demonstrating and kids are looting and vandalizing. The police aren't treating them with silk gloves, but hardly stabbing anyone. The reporters are roaming freely everywhere.

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« Reply #52 on: April 28, 2007, 04:58:46 PM »
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Some videos of the "uprising":

http://www.iltalehti.fi/nettitvpopup.shtml
(fourth on the left and others above it)

Normal people are peacefully demonstrating and kids are looting and vandalizing. The police aren't treating them with silk gloves, but hardly stabbing anyone. The reporters are roaming freely everywhere.


For those to whom the page doesnt open automatically, press the first 'tästä' link and then 'katso video' lower right corner of the videos.
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« Reply #53 on: April 28, 2007, 05:46:55 PM »
Here's footage on crowds stoning the police and looting a convenience store:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBeKUgFI13s&mode=related&search=
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« Reply #54 on: April 28, 2007, 05:47:12 PM »
It's very sad that that man was murdered, but from what I understand from boroda it sounds as if russian media is sensationalizing it as if the man was murdered by police because he was a russian national.

Which also is sad because it means the media in russia is using dubious information for the purpose of stirring malice.

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« Reply #55 on: April 28, 2007, 06:37:45 PM »
With all due respect to Boroda and all Russians. They should get the hell out of Estonia. They are not wanted. They were not wanted in 1940 in Lithuania or Lativia or Estonia. They are not wanted now.

If you live in Estonia and want to be Russian then go home. Estonians don't want you anymore than the Finns or Lithuanians or Lativians or any other of the countries conquered or invaded by the Russians for whatever excuse your overlords invented at the time.

Go home to Russia and stay there. Mind your business. You have no right to take over other countries.

I speak as an Irishman whose country was invaded by a foreign power. The British, many years ago. We finally gained freedom in part. Now I like the British. I respect their way of doing things. I like their democracy. But I do not want them ruling my country or any part of it. No disrespect to them but we don't want them telling us what to do.

It's the same with Estonians, part of their country is controlled by Russia. I doubt any Estonian wants the Russians to control any part of their country.  They put up with it because Russia is powerful and and antagonising them is very dangerous indeed. Russia want to hold onto part of Estonia because it artificially populated with Russians. Estonians naturally don't like this, surprise, surpise!

The problem with Russia and many powerful nations is that they believe that conquest gives them the right to dictate to other nations what to do. They construct their lie that small nations want to be conquered by big nations. They believe that conquest gives them the right, indeed the moral justification for their actions.

Quite simply the Russians have no right to be in Estonia.  They should go home and leave the Estonians alone to run all their own country as they see fit.

Boroda, there is noting you can say to justify the Russian presence in Estonia.

I speak as someone who has considerable admiration for Russian culture.
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« Reply #56 on: April 28, 2007, 06:52:17 PM »
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250-300000 Russians with Estonian citizenship in Estonia.B]

If they are estonian citizens then they aren't russians.

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« Reply #57 on: April 28, 2007, 07:03:03 PM »
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With all due respect to Boroda and all Russians. They should get the hell out of Estonia. They are not wanted. They were not wanted in 1940 in Lithuania or Lativia or Estonia. They are not wanted now.

If you live in Estonia and want to be Russian then go home. Estonians don't want you anymore than the Finns or Lithuanians or Lativians or any other of the countries conquered or invaded by the Russians for whatever excuse your overlords invented at the time.

Go home to Russia and stay there. Mind your business. You have no right to take over other countries.

I speak as an Irishman whose country was invaded by a foreign power. The British, many years ago. We finally gained freedom in part. Now I like the British. I respect their way of doing things. I like their democracy. But I do not want them ruling my country or any part of it. No disrespect to them but we don't want them telling us what to do.

It's the same with Estonians, part of their country is controlled by Russia. I doubt any Estonian wants the Russians to control any part of their country.  They put up with it because Russia is powerful and and antagonising them is very dangerous indeed. Russia want to hold onto part of Estonia because it artificially populated with Russians. Estonians naturally don't like this, surprise, surpise!

The problem with Russia and many powerful nations is that they believe that conquest gives them the right to dictate to other nations what to do. They construct their lie that small nations want to be conquered by big nations. They believe that conquest gives them the right, indeed the moral justification for their actions.

Quite simply the Russians have no right to be in Estonia.  They should go home and leave the Estonians alone to run all their own country as they see fit.

Boroda, there is noting you can say to justify the Russian presence in Estonia.

I speak as someone who has considerable admiration for Russian culture.


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« Reply #58 on: April 28, 2007, 09:06:52 PM »
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Maybe because the "Swedes" did not send Finns to the Siberian gulags...unlike Stalin planned to do in in 1939...


Swedes treated you guys like animals for 300 years.

Russians gave you independence.

Still 12% of Swedes have all the rights.

Russians = untermenschen? I have heard it somewhere before. I also remember how it ended.

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« Reply #59 on: April 28, 2007, 09:38:06 PM »
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According to our news, the plans of relocating the statue caused constant demonstrations in the Tallinn center. Then one night the demonstrations broke out to a violent rampage full with looting and breaking windows and property.


Instead of giving Soviet warriors their honors - they secretly dug out their remnants and cut the Bronze Soldier apart at night.

Night Watch didn't secure the Monument - how do you expect worried unarmed people to oppose a police force?!?

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This is when the original schedule of moving the statue got hastened and the statue was removed. And after that the russian minority has terrorized the area with a violent protest. Most people seem to agree that the statue was just a scape goat for an uprising long waited by the russians.


Russian "minority"?! Every third in Estonia is an ethnic Russian.

You used the same word as I did: an Uprising.

It's not just a "riot".

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It is true that many of them have lived as second class citizens in Estonia just like estonians lived in Russia. But they only got treated the same like they treated the others. Nothing stops them from moving back to russia anyway - something that couldn't be said about ex soviet citizens who lived behind the iron curtain.


Estonians living in Russia - second class citizens?! Man, 140000 of non-Estonians are ALIENS deprived of basic rights there!

And don;t tel me about being a Soviet citizen from behind an iron curtain (that was in fact raised by the West and kept 15 years after USSR was gone)

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Berlin wall, anyone?


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