Author Topic: I hate russia. (Read 7840 times)

Masherbrum · « **Reply #210 on:** July 18, 2007, 10:43:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
Again, you blame others for the actions of your country.

This is the FOUNDATION of COMMUNISM.

Elfie · « **Reply #211 on:** July 18, 2007, 10:47:14 AM »

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And about Hungary: the civil war there was provoked by CIA, and US officials admitted it.

WRONG!!

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB206/index.htm

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Washington D.C., October 31, 2006 - Fifty years ago today the Soviet Presidium overturned its earlier decision to pull its troops out of Hungary in the face of a popular uprising, yet the CIA--with only one Hungarian-speaking officer stationed in Budapest at the time--failed to foresee either the uprising or the Soviet invasion to come, according to declassified CIA histories posted on the Web by the National Security Archive at George Washington University (http://www.nsarchive.org).

Describing the several days in early November 1956 when it seemed the Hungarian Revolution had succeeded (before the Soviet tanks rolled in on November 4), a CIA Clandestine Service History written in 1958 commented: "This breath-taking and undreamed-of state of affairs not only caught many Hungarians off-guard, it also caught us off-guard, for which we can hardly be blamed since we had no inside information, little outside information, and could not read the Russians' minds."

storch · « **Reply #212 on:** July 18, 2007, 10:53:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Boroda

How can we speak about mutual understanding when their drinking habits are so primitive and barbaric?... Poor victims of Western advertising!

I drink sometimes with a russian friend. he has some home made stuff that must be grain alcohol call slivovitze (sp)? nasty stuff. I'll ask him about nemiroff. we have a pork fat with the skin that is deep fried that when ever I buy some and take to where the russians are drinking they love. we call them chicharrones in cuba. most of the time I drink with these guys after 15:30 on the remodelling projects that my friend vladimir is always getting from rich russians who buy waterfront homes on miami beach. those russians can drink a ton. I usually leave by 18:30 after traffic has died down but those guys stay until every drop of alcohol is gone.

russians are very agreeable and warm individually. if you say for instance I made a mistake on that piece there in a critical form, me critizing my own handiwork, he will say "maybe but perhaps you were busy making the rest of it perfect". how could one not love a person like that? and it's not just my friend it seems to be a common thread amonst all the russians I have met so far.

prior to three years ago I knew no russians personally after interacting with russians, I now view russia far differently.

russians have the storch stamp of approval, some of the ladies are easy on the eyes too

MiloMorai · « **Reply #213 on:** July 18, 2007, 10:54:38 AM »

I have heard it takes years to remove what brainwashing does to a person.

Not that the West didn't brainwash but at least there was 'checks and balances' in place to see through the brainwashing unlike the USSR where there was only the Party and no way to disprove what the general population was told.

Elfie · « **Reply #214 on:** July 18, 2007, 10:59:01 AM »

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My dear distant friend, 62 million you mention plus 27 million in a War - it's over 50% of the population in that times. Propaganda for mentally disabled.

What you fail to take into account is that those people were killed over a period of 50+ years. You statement is only true if you look at them being killed all at once.

So who is mentally disabled now?

Elfie · « **Reply #215 on:** July 18, 2007, 11:22:04 AM »

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Toad, US planned a first strike against USSR,

How was NATO going to pull off a first strike against the USSR when NATO was out manned and out gunned in every category by the Warsaw Pact forces?

The Warsaw Pact had more men, tanks, artillery pieces, planes etc than NATO ever did.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #216 on:** July 18, 2007, 11:33:29 AM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
What you fail to take into account is that those people were killed over a period of 50+ years. You statement is only true if you look at them being killed all at once.

So who is mentally disabled now?

Elfie, it wasn't even over 50 years. From 1917-54 around 62 million civilians were MURDERED in the name of "Wonderful, Beautiful Communism." Boroda's own "former Politburo acknowledged these numbers".

Boroda is a pathological liar. I debated his types many times. You get em in a corner like you have here, and they start shouting louder and louder to make up for the fact they haven't a leg to stand on. The shouting is "somehow supposed to overshadow the lack of facts."

Boroda, why not run for Dictator? You obviously believe Communism is great, let's see how you fare?

MiloMorai · « **Reply #217 on:** July 18, 2007, 11:39:55 AM »

No, Boroda is a pathological liar. He has been so brainwashed that he just can't accept the true facts.

Elfie · « **Reply #218 on:** July 18, 2007, 11:43:33 AM »

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Elfie, it wasn't even over 50 years. From 1917-54 around 62 million civilians were MURDERED in the name of "Wonderful, Beautiful Communism." Boroda's own "former Politburo acknowledged these numbers".

What is 12 years in the Grand Scheme of things?

Just kidding, I stand corrected.

Still, it's nearly a four decade time frame that those people were killed. My original point still stands.

storch · « **Reply #219 on:** July 18, 2007, 11:53:13 AM »

karaya why are you calling him a pathological liar?

let me explain something to us all about the truth since the fall of man.

think of the truth as if it were a mirror. since the fall of man that perfect mirror was shattered and now everyone has a sliver of that truth. many find a shard and claim loudly I HAVE THE TRUTH. in fact all of can only hope to ever have but a small piece of the truth. absolute truth belongs absolutely to God. neither you nor I nor boroda have the truth but mere slivers of it.

Angus · « **Reply #220 on:** July 18, 2007, 12:56:35 PM »

Boroda:
""Allies" refused from all Soviet offers, refused to deploy any significant forces against Germany and literally forced USSR to sign a non-aggression treaty with nazis."

Oh dear. Poor little Soviet FORCED into dealing with Hitler.

Well, in that case, the unimportant UK was not? And that's why USSR had to eat up half of Poland and invade Finland as well as annexing the baltic states.

Poor little kitty...errrr....bear.

Toad · « **Reply #221 on:** July 18, 2007, 01:05:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
How was NATO going to pull off a first strike against the USSR when NATO was out manned and out gunned in every category by the Warsaw Pact forces?

The Warsaw Pact had more men, tanks, artillery pieces, planes etc than NATO ever did.

In the early '60's the US did have a war plan that included a first strike against the Soviets in the event the US had strategic warning of a Soviet attack.

Common sense. I'm sure the Soviets had the same.

Neubob · « **Reply #222 on:** July 18, 2007, 01:24:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Fishu
Okey, let me specify: Russians of Russian nationality without other nationalities mainly living in Russia.

My entire family is russian, Fishu, and the only one, out of the entire lot, whether living here in the States or back there, that hasn't at least a mild resentment for the Soviet system, as well as what came after, is my 103-year-old grandfather, who grew up under Lenin.

Being largely Jewish, most of the others have more than just a mild resentment, but I suppose you've never met people like this in your business dealings. Maybe one day you will.

Personally, having travelled there pretty extensively over the last 3 years, I've yet to come across a single person who has no negative opinions of the travesties of the past, or the corrupt decay of the present. Those who managed to profit from the current mess will get theirs, and they know it, and that is part of the price.

1K3 · « **Reply #223 on:** July 18, 2007, 01:47:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
How was NATO going to pull off a first strike against the USSR when NATO was out manned and out gunned in every category by the Warsaw Pact forces?

The Warsaw Pact had more men, tanks, artillery pieces, planes etc than NATO ever did.

He was talking about the US Air Force and its thousands of B-47s and B-52s armed with nukes.

Nilsen · « **Reply #224 on:** July 18, 2007, 02:06:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
In the early '60's the US did have a war plan that included a first strike against the Soviets in the event the US had strategic warning of a Soviet attack.

Common sense. I'm sure the Soviets had the same.

I know part of the plan in the event of a Soviet attack. It was almost suicidal but important to the overall picture. Im sure glad war didnt break out and i was a pilot in the norwegian airforce.

The calculated losses was huge and with relativly little to show for it in the defence of norway.