It's Like the Hydra

[Arlo]

Originally posted by RedTop
I'm still waiting on Arlo's answer to my questions?

I'm sorry, I thought you saw the post. Which questions did I miss?

[RedTop]

Originally posted by Arlo
I'm sorry, I thought you saw the post. Which questions did I miss?

,y last post to you is right below your quoteing me and talking about a smart war...I posted back to you.

No worries.  You have plenty here to speak to.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by RedTop
Then what do you see the war as a fight against?

Not Islam. The administration claims it's against terrorism. It then decided that was too broad and adopted the already out of control rhetoric of "Islamofascists" which, ironically, made things even worse.

It's against the Al Queda. It's against terrorists. It's against criminals. Declaring Islam the crime ..... the enemy ... is not a solution.

Originally posted by RedTop
If I were to put you in a room with lets say , 100 muslims with a strong belief in Islam. 10 of them are terrorists. Would you be able to pick those 10 out? If so how?

 

Your ratio is a poor presumption but you're creating the scenario so ....

If I was the one responsible for such I would have the tools deal with the crime. I thought conservatives were against the idea of "thought crime?" That aside, the potential for the crime has to exist. Explosives can be detected. As can guns. As can a knife. So, potential terrorist identified, if they have the potential. If they don't? I talk to the people in the room. All of them. If they're not a terrorist and I'm not a dumbarse I may create an ally. If they are (a potential), I may convert (slim odds). More the reason to have allies.

Or I can just either ignore them all or shoot them all and see if it affects the ratio in the next room of Muslims you put me in.

Not rocket science by any degree.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by RedTop
,y last post to you is right below your quoteing me and talking about a smart war...I posted back to you.

No worries.  You have plenty here to speak to.

It's not a situation of my not being able to see your posts. It's a situation of my having thought I covered things adequately. But I'm backtracking to try and cover each individual point directly made by you directly back at you.

[RedTop]

Originally posted by Arlo
Not Islam. The administration claims it's against terrorism. It then decided that was too broad and adopted the already out of control rhetoric of "Islamofascists" which, ironically, made things even worse.

It's against the Al Queda. It's against terrorists. It's against criminals. Declaring Islam the crime ..... the enemy ... is not a solution.

 

Your ratio is a poor presumption but you're creating the scenario so ....

If I was the one responsible for such I would have the tools deal with the crime. I thought conservatives were against the idea of "thought crime?" That aside, the potential for the crime has to exist. Explosives can be detected. As can guns. As can a knife. So, potential terrorist identified, if they have the potential. If they don't? I talk to the people in the room. All of them. If they're not a terrorist and I'm not a dumbarse I may create an ally. If they are (a potential), I may convert (slim odds). More the reason to have allies.

Or I can just either ignore them all or shoot them all and see if it affects the ratio in the next room of Muslims you put me in.

Not rocket science by any degree.

Ok thanks Arlo

[Arlo]

Originally posted by RedTop
Ok thanks Arlo

Not a prob. An I didn't think anything you posted to me was antagonistic, btw. We may have differences of opinion but we also have non-differences.

I made it home alive from the con. Someone threw up beside my car that night, dammit.

[Tigeress]

The war with Nazi Germany was not a war we started, we the peoples of the world living outside of Nazi Germany, that is.

It was started by one man who wrote a book with which to persuade.

The German people were not the root problem, nor their religion, per se...

The Christian bible did not call for "convert or die" of those of the Jewish faith... yet Fascism strategically incorporates the power of Christian faith as a tool of influence and control.

Just look at the Neo-Nazis... and the KKK.

The book Hitler wrote, called for genocide of those of the Jewish faith and world domination.

How is that different than the Quran?

The Quran calls for complete elimination, from the face of the earth, of all religions except Islam with a mandate to carry this out by deadly force if met with resistance.

How many in Nazi Germany went along with the flow?
How many Germans kept silent? ...out of fear?
How many prewar and early war Americans were disinterested? Japan brought us to a state of war.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DEED9113BF931A15756C0A96E948260

Hitler did not fight the war alone; he enlisted help and fanned the flames.

I would wager almost no one here has read the Quran... who is not Islamic.

Who here knows enough about Mohammed to know the differences between his book and influence and Hitler's book and influence?

Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler

The Quran by Mohammed

How many of you will bother to find out?

Know thy enemy's manifesto... Many non-Fascists in the US read Mein Kampf when they were finally forced to take Hitler's Nazi Fascism as a serious threat to themselves.

What is it going to take for you to read the militant Islamist's  manifesto, "The  Quran"?

...the loss of New York City? ...Los Angeles? ...London? ...Copenhagen? ...Tokyo? ...Bangkok? ...Manila? ...all of them?

Eventually, Moscow, Pyongyang, and Beijing will be targeted, which I find ironic...

...the words of Stalin, "I will hang the capitalist bastards with the rope that they sell us."

Who sells what to whom? ...and why?





TIGERESS

[Tigeress]

The only real permanent solution I can see is for the Islamist non-violent to stop turning their backs on the need for Islam reform in the form of a New Islamic Testament of the Quran or a revised version agreed to by the Islamist Majority.

As long as the Islamist Majority share their book of faith, as written, with Militant Islamists... they are culpable, even by inaction, in my view.

The Quran, as written, is a manifesto for world dominance and particularily the total domination of all women world wide to the point of making every one of us creatures of total slavery.

Read the book; Look at Islamic cultures.

Oh how Arian of the non-Islamic who believe no one will prevail, but them...

As a white Christian woman, I could have lived a rather decent life under Nazi rule... but who the heck would want to?

Under strict Islamic rule, I am but a slave.

TIGERESS

[Tigeress]

To the non-Islamist majority: If a city of Infidels goes up in a nuclear fire ball... do you think your world becomes safer? ...that you are safer? ...that it is the Will of God? ...according to the Quran?

If that happens... the cities of Damascus and Tehran will be vaporized along with many peace loving Islamists in addition to Militant Islamists.

Why does Bush want to build a missile defense for Europe?

...and why is it Moscow doesn't want to help build it and run it?

If Bangkok, or Toyko, or Manila goes up in a nuclear blast do you think they will not strike back in kind? think again... I have been to each of those cities... and gotten to know the nature of those peoples... they will strike back... in kind.

TIGERESS

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by Tigeress
To the non-Islamist majority: If a city of Infidels goes up in a nuclear fire ball... do you think your world becomes safer? ...that you are safer? ...that it is the Will of God? ...according to the Quran?

If that happens... the cities of Damascus and Tehran will be vaporized along with many peace loving Islamists in addition to Militant Islamists.

Why does Bush want to build a missile defense for Europe?

...and why is it Moscow doesn't want to help build it and run it?

If Bangkok, or Toyko, or Manila goes up in a nuclear blast do you think they will not strike back in kind? think again... I have been to each of those cities... and gotten to know the nature of those peoples... they will strike back... in kind.

TIGERESS

I made a typographical error...

The above was intended to be addressed to: Non-Militant Islamic Majority and not to the non-Islamist majority.

TIGERESS

[lazs2]

sooo.. in other words...

YOU HAVE NO SOLUTION.

I admit that I skimmed all your emotion filled posts but I could find nothing that resembled a practical solution... even when you prefaced a wall of words with "the solution is"

just a teaser... no solution was forthcoming... just more words and emotion and nice pictures... pretty much like an algore documentary.

lazs

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by lazs2
sooo.. in other words...

YOU HAVE NO SOLUTION.

I admit that I skimmed all your emotion filled posts but I could find nothing that resembled a practical solution... even when you prefaced a wall of words with "the solution is"

just a teaser... no solution was forthcoming... just more words and emotion and nice pictures... pretty much like an algore documentary.

lazs

hahahaha "WoWs"...

I broke it up into three bite-sized chunks, just for you!
Go browse the Quran... in bite-sized chunks.

Mohammed thought like you do about women hahahaha
You will like him! teehee

No I surely don't have a workable solution! I'ts a hypothetical one...
If I did I would surely win the Nobel Peace Prize.

The non-violent Islamists are, in the main, way too cowed by Islamist Religous Police to push back against it. Thus, many come to the US and Western Europe. Islamist Extremists/Militants are equal opportunity threats... they give everyone the business... even fellow Islamists.


Quran fueled human rights violations

Islamic Religous Police in action

(5of6) A 16 Year Old Iranian Girl Executed by Islamic Police

Film of police brutality in Iran

Human rights situation in Iran, all in the name of Mohammed's Quran

I find it so hard to see these videos knowing it goes on 24/7/365 and is spreading its web to reach us all. But not to look is also a crime against Humanity, IMV.

TIGERESS

[lazs2]

I believe that I understand the situation at least as well as you do.

I also realize that not all muslims are stuck in the 9th century and an islamofacist mindset.. it is really just a few in the worst hellholes on earth.

I realize that time is not on their side.  that the shrinking world will destroy 9th century thinking.. how can it not?

In the meantime.. we have to fight the most violent and obvious ones and strive to make some of the hellholes places of real opportunity and freedom.

It seems to me that we are doing what we can in a battle that is inevitable.

lazs

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by lazs2
I believe that I understand the situation at least as well as you do.

I also realize that not all muslims are stuck in the 9th century and an islamofacist mindset.. it is really just a few in the worst hellholes on earth.

I realize that time is not on their side.  that the shrinking world will destroy 9th century thinking.. how can it not?

In the meantime.. we have to fight the most violent and obvious ones and strive to make some of the hellholes places of real opportunity and freedom.

It seems to me that we are doing what we can in a battle that is inevitable.

lazs

I am sure you do Lazs... and with all you have said above I could never disagree.

The treatment of women in Islamic society is... criminal in the extreme, in my view.

Of that, I never see you speak... why is that?

Did I simply miss those posts? never mind... whatever...


TIGERESS

[lazs2]

what is your point?  does the left ever speak of the way women are treated?

Why would I?   I believe that if the women join a religion of their own free will that makes them do... whatever... that is their business.

That is how I feel about it.  I wish to give everyone a choice... if you choose to give up your own personal rights.. that is your business... when you force people... that is different.

The left however.. feels that you should have no choice.. that women can never be made to wear or do whatever.. even if they are the ones who chose to do so.

My ideal would be.. our forefathers... freedom of religion.. all religion.  so long as it did not force people.

I don't see how that is so difficult for you to grasp.

lazs