It's Like the Hydra

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Tigeress

Timetable: 7-10 years

0. Kick-start a full swing to Liquid Hydrogen as our primary fuel source to replace oil as much as possible.

Where will the income and finances for a very large percentage of our population come from......or is bankruptcy and taking a large percentage out of the loop acceptable.

2. Force the non-violent Islamic majority to fess up about the Quran and change their religion and if they don't then label them as enemies of Humanity and treat them accordingly. Make them do it, they know all about submission and domination.

When pigs fly.

3. Force China and Russia to back off from supporting rogue nations through the use of incrementally staged and serious economic sanctions.

This entails what for example?

 

5. Full G-7 boycott of Iran, Syria. Set a blockade on both; shoot anything that goes in or out.

In other words declare war against Russia. We all know they are our allies and was supporting earlier blockades into Iraq...right?

6. After Iran and Syria are internationally declared Regimes of Islamic Threats to Humanity, invoke the draft and go to full time state of war. Go for the throat.

So.....we will add  China, Syria, Iran and Russia to the all out war list?

7. Watch Saudi Arabia team up with Iran. I suspect Saudi Arabia is playing both sides of the street while it is in its interests to do so.

Saudi Arabia will go with the flow that produces the most cash flow with the least amount of boat rocking?

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by Jackal1
Where will the income and finances for a very large percentage of our population come from......or is bankruptcy and taking a large percentage out of the loop acceptable.

 

When pigs fly.

 

This entails what for example?

 

 

In other words declare war against Russia. We all know they are our allies and was supporting earlier blockades into Iraq...right?

 

So.....we will add  China, Syria, Iran and Russia to the all out war list?

 

Saudi Arabia will go with the flow that produces the most cash flow with the least amount of boat rocking?

thanks for you input

TIGERESS

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by x0847Marine
I agree with a-lot of that, except I don't see the Arab / Sunni loyal Saudis ever siding with the Persian / Shia loyal Iranians. Never say never, but its unlikely IMO. These folks are super loyal to their brethren for the duration, one reason many regular folks over there don't trust the US is because our loyalties change depending on which party is in power... this isn't a concept they accept, to them, in the overall sense, we believe in nothing and are loyal to nobody except the one country they hate: Israel.  

I also don't think the current situation is anywhere dire enough for all out war on all fronts... I would suggest the govts of the worlds powers allow everyday middle class people to negotiate and talk out our differences.

Imagine 10 everyday people like AH bbs'ers, and 10 average Iranians in the same room, I'd bet that within 2 hours all would come to realize we have more things in common than not, and most of the fiery rhetoric of our leaders is a steaming pile of fecal matter.

Of course this will never happen, the repubs, Dems.. just like their Mullah counter parts, have their own agendas that have nothing to do with eeking out a peaceful happy existence.

Hi x0847Marine,

Thanks for you comments!
 
On Saudi Arabia...

I dont trust them... and never have trusted them.

Can't say what they will do when the USA goes to war with Iran.

But I would certianly not depend on them allowing the US to use bases there in the event of war with Iran.

TIGERESS

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by Maverick
The "option" of getting the entire world to indict islam as a backwards and dangerous religion is about as workable as saying Peter Pan will sprinkle magic dust on you so you can think happy thoughts and fly.

Providing "options" is nice, provided the "option" has even an infinitesimal chance of being successful. That particular "option" she listed doesn't qualify.

In my opinion, Islam as written is a threat to Humanity.

Have you read any of the Quran? yes/no lol

TIGERESS

[Maverick]

Yes. I'm not waiting for the movie to come out either.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Tigeress
In my opinion, Islam as written is a threat to Humanity.

Have you read any of the Quran? yes/no lol

TIGERESS

Yes. And I've come to the conclusion that it is no more of a threat to humanity than the Christian bible, Torah, book of Morman or the Tao.

Radicals are the threat to humanity. Some of them use religious texts to rationalize their sociopathic behavior. Some of them use political agenda to do so. Some don't bother using either.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Tigeress

 
On Saudi Arabia...

I dont trust them... and never have trusted them.

Can't say what they will do when the USA goes to war with Iran.

But I would certianly not depend on them allowing the US to use bases there in the event of war with Iran.

TIGERESS

We haven`t been real estate shopping for Holiday Inn franchise locations.

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by Arlo
Yes. And I've come to the conclusion that it is no more of a threat to humanity than the Christian bible, Torah, book of Morman or the Tao.

Radicals are the threat to humanity. Some of them use religious texts to rationalize their sociopathic behavior. Some of them use political agenda to do so. Some don't bother using either.

Hi Arlo

I appreciate what you are saying… and discussion is marvlous!
The problem arises when someone simply dismisses.

The more we talk about it, the more individual views are expressed and discussed, the better the collective thinking becomes.

The difference is the enforcement of the rules of Islam and the nature and infusion of Islam into Governments… Islamic Theocracies.

Ever hear of Christian Moral Police as an arm of the Government? roaming the streets selecting people to censure due to their dress or behavior viewed as being in violation of the written rules of Christianity?

Or Christian "honor killings" condoned legally by the government?
Or the enforcement of the treatment of women as slaves?
 
Or Christian terrorists bent on vaporizing cities to force foreign governments to become Christian Theocracies?

There are serious differences between Islamic Regimes and the Protestant Church or Catholic Church or a local Buddhist Temple or a Jewish Temple down the street.

This is the 21st Century… not 907 AD.

I am of the opinion the average citizen of such theocracies are more victomized than anyone.

The Westboro Baptist Church is dismissed as a pack of nutjobs, even by the majority of the strict Christian-Based Conserative Rupublican Party.

TIGERESS

[lazs2]

arlo.. try to keep up.   I was replying to her.    I was taking her points one at a time..  

At least you noted that, so far.. at least that one.. was laughable.

Was there any of her points that you agreed with of the seven?  I bet you do agree that she has a good lefty way of putting them tho.. ask for one and she gives 7 but really...  she only says seven.. she really goes has eight.. tries to hide a zero.

We are doing something..  it is about all we can do... Hell... you think even that is too much and now... you want to go to war against the entire muslim religion?   make up your mind..

lazs

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by lazs2
arlo.. try to keep up.   I was replying to her.    I was taking her points one at a time..  

At least you noted that, so far.. at least that one.. was laughable.

Was there any of her points that you agreed with of the seven?  I bet you do agree that she has a good lefty way of putting them tho.. ask for one and she gives 7 but really...  she only says seven.. she really goes has eight.. tries to hide a zero.

We are doing something..  it is about all we can do... Hell... you think even that is too much and now... you want to go to war against the entire muslim religion?   make up your mind..

lazs

Hi Lazs,

What was your take on the US Dept of Energy stance and action re: Hydrogen fuel?

I detect that even though you feel your strongly held belief system is important to you, personally... you also have the ability to think outside that box, even if you wont admit it to anyone.

You have let your humanity show through Mr gunslinger.

Just an instinct about you.

Thinking outside the box is not a weakness... it is a strength, in my view.

TIGERESS

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by Jackal1



We haven`t been real estate shopping for Holiday Inn franchise locations.

Thank you for the map, Jackal dear.

TIGERESS

[lazs2]

you just now noted that I don't think like everyone else?    Here's a clue... no one thinks like everyone else.

hydrogen?  it takes more energy to make (electricity at this point) than the energy you get out of it..  it is dangerous and difficult to use.   I don't see it as viable until we have almost free electricity and at that point... so many other doors will be open that it will just be a sideshow.

You can get free electricity from the sun..  it won't work all the time...night for instance.... more and more homes are using panels to make their bill... $0   they mostly still need to be hooked up to the grid tho.. but they sell back power during the day and it is used to run industry and take a load off the grid.

At that point... I will have solar and septic and a well and hope I never have to deal with any fee taxing taxing the fee on taxes petty little recycler socialist and..

I will build some damn 3 sec 0-60 electric car to get around in and keep the hot rods for the smell and the noise.

The free market is doing it right now.  cost is about half what it was 10 years ago.. seen houses go up that the panels were in the roof tiles... looked like "normal" tiles.    

soon... home depot will be selling solar panels for a couple grand...

All this depends on the government staying out of the way.  I don't want em going crazy and making even more government and taxes to support some hydrogen project that may or may not pan out.

They would need to tax and to restrict..   I never think that the end justifies the means except in hindsight.  

lazs

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by Maverick
Yes. I'm not waiting for the movie to come out either.

lol cute!

No, I doubt the movie will be forthcoming as a feature length motion picture for entertainment and making box office revenues.

The WTC and Pentagon attacks speak for themselves and have changed our lives forever.

I do not consider the Islamic Threat to be hollow.
I take it with upmost seriousness.



TIGERESS

[VonMessa]

Originally posted by Hien

I am sticking by my personal belief that human life should not be wasted.  Last I checked we're the smartest things on this planet (Next to Dolphins and Mice, yo.*) and all we seem to be really good at is killing each other, and everything else with us.  Though I do like a good explosion.

Thanks for all the fish Hien!

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by lazs2
you just now noted that I don't think like everyone else?    Here's a clue... no one thinks like everyone else.

hydrogen?  it takes more energy to make (electricity at this point) than the energy you get out of it..  it is dangerous and difficult to use.   I don't see it as viable until we have almost free electricity and at that point... so many other doors will be open that it will just be a sideshow.

You can get free electricity from the sun..  it won't work all the time...night for instance.... more and more homes are using panels to make their bill... $0   they mostly still need to be hooked up to the grid tho.. but they sell back power during the day and it is used to run industry and take a load off the grid.

At that point... I will have solar and septic and a well and hope I never have to deal with any fee taxing taxing the fee on taxes petty little recycler socialist and..

I will build some damn 3 sec 0-60 electric car to get around in and keep the hot rods for the smell and the noise.

The free market is doing it right now.  cost is about half what it was 10 years ago.. seen houses go up that the panels were in the roof tiles... looked like "normal" tiles.    

soon... home depot will be selling solar panels for a couple grand...

All this depends on the government staying out of the way.  I don't want em going crazy and making even more government and taxes to support some hydrogen project that may or may not pan out.

They would need to tax and to restrict..   I never think that the end justifies the means except in hindsight.  

lazs

I noticed immediately, your strongly held beliefs and outspokenness.
Like, how could I not? lol

Hydrogen got a bad rap due to the airship explosions of the first half of the 20th century.
Also the word Hydrogen is linked to nuclear power... yet another scary.

Power is dangerous by virtue of being power... even the power of love.

But we can not exist without power. Oil is nuclear based power from the Sun and can be quite dangerous.
Ask anyone who has had napalm dropped on their heads or has been in a refinery explosion or car explosion or fire.

Hydrogen fuel, as you no doubt know, is created by seperating Hydrogen atoms from H2O molecules.

Yes it takes energy to separate them little atoms from each other.
 
Energy is simply... matter converted to dynamic or potential energy... power.

Charging a lead acid battery creates Hydrogen, thus the caution about charging a battery in a well ventilated space.

We have nuclear power plants and hydro-electric power plants and solar power plants... sources of power used to seperate H2O molecules into Hydrogen atoms and Oxygen atoms... a storable portable energy source.

I do not believe it takes more energy to convert H2O into separate atoms of Hydrogen and Oxygen than the Hydrogen atoms produce when burned.

Perhaps I am mistaken on this... do you have references to support that claim?

In the present case of nuclear fusion... it required more energy to cause atomic fusion than the energy it produces.

Nuclear fusion is the long sought holy grail of energy by research nuclear scientists.

All the Best,

TIGERESS

edit: Why is it of the utmost importance that we discover H20 on other worlds if we are to explore the solar system and other star systems?

It goes well beyond having something to drink. Separation of H20 into hydrogen and oxygen will fuel spaceship engines and give us something to breath.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/kids/energyfacts/sources/IntermediateHydrogen.html