It's Like the Hydra

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by Maverick
Well Tigress I guess you had better pick out your burkha and prayer rug then, you've given up. No ideas and just a complaint that "it's" being done wrong.

Seems to me that there wasn't much of a "war on terrorism" until after the 2 attacks on the WTC. Even given the Marine barracks blast didn't do much to start a war. Since it didn't start until after the last attack on the WTC was successful I don't understand why you think "we" started it.

FWIW I don't mind a bit that folks criticise the govt. or even the war going on. It's the criticism with no ideas about how to do it differently that gets to me. If you can't think of anything else to do or a better idea of how to do it it seems that it's a pretty poor idea to just complain.

Dang.... sob

"WE" didn't start it; they did. So "WE" declared a War on Terrorism. yes?

I don't like burkas.

And I am not the future property for a Taliban tribesman.

I'm too dang independent for that.

Please! think of something! that will get the job done! once and for all!

Protect me!

That really is the point of the thread!

This just gets "smore scary" by the minute...

If you guys don't stop long enough to actually understand them, how will you figure out how to out fox them?

TIGERESS

[john9001]

Originally posted by Tigeress
We can't stop shooting and shooting them makes them stronger.

shooting them makes then dead.

when enough of them are dead there will be peace.

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by john9001
shooting them makes then dead.

when enough of them are dead there will be peace.

One Billion Eight Hundred Million of them?

That is a war the likes of which we have never seen.

Perhaps the time has come to call in the Catholic Church to pick where they left off with the Crusades.

I think some of the Knights Templar are still around... they could start the draft for more of them.




Knights Templar

TIGERESS

[john9001]

Originally posted by Tigeress
One Billion Eight Hundred Million of them?

That is a war the likes of which we have never seen.

i knew you were going to say that, how many muslims do you know personally? How many of them are terrorists? All the Muslims i know drink beer and eat pork and wish the terrorists would just go away and stop giving them a bad name.

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by john9001
i knew you were going to say that, how many muslims do you know personally? How many of them are terrorists? All the Muslims i know drink beer and eat pork and wish the terrorists would just go away and stop giving them a bad name.

Remember, I was engaged to be married to a Muslim, a Sufi, and he drank beer and a lot of other things... and was not a terrorist.

 But you should have seen him light up about the ill treatment, in his view, of Muslims. And he firmly believed that everyone should be a Muslim when you probed him.

It was part of his identity thus, his male ego.
It's like... mmmmm... like being an American.

A real Muslim has faith in the truth of the Quran... verbatim.

I know of plenty of "Muslims" and "Catholics"... who are not practicing or who are faking it at being total believers.

But you start shooting Catholics for being Catholic and watch those non-practicing Catholics come to life.

Or blow up the WTC... just watch us Americans come to life... it galvanized us all. Our differences disappeared and we were purely Americans and we were hopping mad! And still are!

The Muslims, world wide, are so like us in that regard.

I love everyone... including Muslims... I think they are a victim of the Quran as much as everybody else.

Arabic people are born with a real humanity and many I have known personally are some of the sweetest coolest people I have ever known... on a human level... but male ego is Very Strong as it is with all males.

That is why I would prefer to see this settled peacefully if possible.
And I don't see that as possible... at the moment.

Please correct me if I am wrong... When we kill a terrorist, that is what we kill. What do Muslims see being killed... Muslims... maybe extremist but still Muslim.

Those guys band together. So do you guys... you non-Muslim American guys.

They call our American troops, terrorists... but we don't see it that way.

When they kill one of our American troops they see it as killing a terrorist... we see it as killing a defender of America.

I don't see that we are really that different from them speaking in regards to the way of how each side preceives the other.

If non-violent Muslims stepped up to the plate and changed the Quran I think it would defuse this.

TIGERESS

EDIT: One of the powers of Homeland Defense is their intelligence gathering strength on the Internet. I have no doubt someone in the NSA will read this thread because of key wordage triggering a focus on a computer in Langley, VA or somewhere.

I hope they do. Please pass this thread along up the chain of command so decision makers can read it if the men here get some good ideas. There are a lot of really intelligent people on this forum who are true patriots.

[Mark Luper]

I do not wish to be unkind in any statement I may make in this post and if I have hurt your feelings please forgive me.

One cannot wish away bad things or people. Someone has to step up to the plate and do what is necessary to try to control the situation whatever that may be and however that person sees it.

I don't love everybody. I never have nor ever will. I love the people I've selected to love.

I wish most people well unless they wish me ill. I am of the mind that those who wish me ill need to be eliminated.

Life isn't fair nor is it easy. Life is what it is and whatever needs to be done we need to get on with it without sitting around wishing everyone loved each other and could get along. We are not going to get along with the Muslim extremist. That is fact of life. They are trying to destroy us, we need to destroy them. Pure and simple. If it means collateral damage then so be it. It may be unfortunate for those caught in the crossfire but the protection of my loved ones and those I wish well is more important.

I can't categorically say that George Bush's administration has does everything right. I certainly can't say it's been all wrong. I do not have a better way to go about it but what little I understand of the situation in Iraq tells me it is being taken care of pretty well.

Sitting around and wringing my hands and being worried won't help the situation or me or those close to me. It also does not contribute anything. It never will.

So, in ending, either come up with a detailed plan that is better than that being implemented or get out of the way and let those that think they have a handle on it got on with the job.

Mark

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by Mark Luper
I do not wish to be unkind in any statement I may make in this post and if I have hurt your feelings please forgive me.

One cannot wish away bad things or people. Someone has to step up to the plate and do what is necessary to try to control the situation whatever that may be and however that person sees it.

I don't love everybody. I never have nor ever will. I love the people I've selected to love.

I wish most people well unless they wish me ill. I am of the mind that those who wish me ill need to be eliminated.

Life isn't fair nor is it easy. Life is what it is and whatever needs to be done we need to get on with it without sitting around wishing everyone loved each other and could get along. We are not going to get along with the Muslim extremist. That is fact of life. They are trying to destroy us, we need to destroy them. Pure and simple. If it means collateral damage then so be it. It may be unfortunate for those caught in the crossfire but the protection of my loved ones and those I wish well is more important.

I can't categorically say that George Bush's administration has does everything right. I certainly can't say it's been all wrong. I do not have a better way to go about it but what little I understand of the situation in Iraq tells me it is being taken care of pretty well.

Sitting around and wringing my hands and being worried won't help the situation or me or those close to me. It also does not contribute anything. It never will.

So, in ending, either come up with a detailed plan that is better than that being implemented or get out of the way and let those that think they have a handle on it got on with the job.

Mark

Hi Mark,

Nothing unkind nor hurtful in what you said.

Let me be clear... a terrorist is a total sociopath... someone with no humanity nor compassion for human life thus is inhuman... an animal of the worse kind.

Such a person is not a somebody nor included in an everybody blanket of humanity. Such a person is a lost cause... a rabid dog.

I think religous extremists are opportunists operating under the guise of religion.

I am looking for a solution that will work... yes I wish it weren't happening and yes I know wishing doesn't work like magic... in a way "wishing" something, is an expression of desire for something.

When I say I love everyone... that does not mean love as I have for a man I have longing and passion for... or for children, brothers or sisters... parents or relatives... or friends...

It is a love of the universe and an acknowledgement of the beauty of humanity itself.

My life has been far from easy and has had its share of unfairness... that is life.

I can't say Bush has done everything wrong... but he is my president and thus responsible... even if it isn't his fault... the buck stops with him. It comes with the job. He is the captain of our ship. I believe Bush is trying his best... I give him that.

But, I can not believe that there is nothing better to do than has already been done.

Dealing with this problem is not in my hands to do... and I feel frustrated.
A lot of people worry, Mark. Every day and every night and feel helpless.

In the end I back my president even though he may or may not be the best one... but he is still MY president.

But I have to believe there is a solution... hope.

You see... I have loved ones in Iraq.

Thanks for taking the time to write, Mark.

Hugs,

TIGERESS

[Mark Luper]

Tigress, I have a love of life.

I have a love of humanity and its ever persistent struggle in pursuit of it's happiness.

I have a love of God and what he has meant in my life and my life is a direct result of his influence and handiwork.

My life has been good, very good, and it has been relatively easy. Yes, I have to work for a living and I have to work 7 days a week but it is a job I really like with people I really like and it allows me to use skills I have developed in the over 40 years of work life I've experienced.

I wish for or hope for or want for lots of things but it still all boils down to doing the dirty deed, as it were. Action is what tenders results, not just the desire to see it happen.

I can't say there is a better way to do something if I don't fully understand or know what is already being done.  You're an engineer, you need a point of reference. The media in the form of TV and most radio is not a good reference point. Most of what you see is only the part they wish to use to fill their agenda on whatever subject. Doom and gloom sells. You can't sell newspapers unless there is something to bad to talk about.

The media loves to knock Bush and his administration's efforts because it sells and makes the liberals happy. The liberals own the media. This is oversimplification, I know, but basically it's the way I see it.

I am concerned about a lot of things in life, all of them have to do with my family and myself. I'm selfish that way. I don't have time to worry about a war that is being handled by proffesionals that know a lot more about it that I.  It is going to take a long time to resolve. Get used to that idea. It is going to take a long time to resolve. Years, if we want to exit gracefully.

Take care and sleep well, there are thousands doing their best to see that you sleep undisturbed.

Mark

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Tigeress
Some things can't be said without a "Wall of Words"...

Such as The Vietnam Veteran's Memorial Wall.
Have you read that wall?

TIGERESS

My brother taken a couple of weeks ago.
I can assure you it is much, much more than a wall of words  to him, especialy to the name he is pointing to. He would not be standing there if it were not for this hero.



My question still awaits an answer.......although I am about to believe it is a non-issue.
If I wanted to see tap dancing I would go catch a show.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Tigeress
Some things can't be said without a "Wall of Words"...

Such as The Vietnam Veteran's Memorial Wall.
Have you read that wall?

TIGERESS

The tall guy , in the rear, top left. My Dad on the set of This Is Your Life. The short gentleman sitting I believe you will recognize.
If either were still alive today I can also assure you they would not view Vietnam Veteran's Memorial Wall as simply a wall of words .
Just a couple of examples. I am sure there are many, many more right here on this board.

[AKIron]

Is that Audie Murphy? I was just at the courthouse in Greenville Texas on Friday doing some work there. They have a memorial to him out front. I think he lived there for a while.

[AKIron]

On  a side note, that old courthouse has entrances on all four sides. Sadly, they're all blocked but one and you have to go through airport like security to get in. Greenville is a country town.  

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by AKIron
Is that Audie Murphy? I was just at the courthouse in Greenville Texas on Friday doing some work there. They have a memorial to him out front. I think he lived there for a while.

Yes it is Audie. My Dad and Audie were best friends in their younger years and Audie lived with my grandparents for a while.
There was an old house just south of Kingston that was his birth place, just down the road from where I was raised.
There is a museum and bronze memorial dedicated to Audie in Greenville also.

On a side note, that old courthouse has entrances on all four sides. Sadly, they're all blocked but one and you have to go through airport like security to get in. Greenville is a country town.

Yep. It is like getting into the white house anymore.
Greenville is pretty well ruined from a nostalgic standpoint as a country town anymore. Too much growth from the big D area.
I remember when the courthouse was more like a meeting hall. Was a lot of fun back then. Leave the courthouse and go down to the old farmers market.  Spent a lot of time there with my Granddad on a regular basis when I was a kid.
Good times.

[Tigeress]

Jackal,

What I said was "some things can not be said without 'a wall of words' ".
I have already been through this one once with lazs.

To me.. The Veterans wall, in its immensity speaks so loudly of the massive sacrifice and service it can not be comprehended unless you acually see it and feel it...

In one respect it is a wall with words on it... but it's so much more powerful than that... it is a grave stone for hundreds of thousands of men... I wept as never before when I felt it. It is a monument to our National Heros.

Lazs referred to my postings as "a wall of words" and has done so in the past.

Now, LISTEN TO ME!!! PLEASE!!! I have never seen that phrase before until LAZS used it early on in our conversations on the forum to discribe my postings.

I had no idea his meaning behind that phrase...

Now you address it as well. Doesn't anyone bother to read posts?

I interpreted the phrase "wall of words"[/b] as "more than you wish to bother reading"[/b].

Not as the definition Lazs stated in (what I considered) a flame against me as "pointless, rambling paragraphs of drivel." [/b]

I can assure you without question... NO ONE! NO ONE! HAS MORE RESPECT FOR THAT WALL AND THOSE VETERANS THAN I DO.

The Vietnam Veteran's Memoral Wall is sacred to me.

It's things like this that drive me crazy sometimes... grrrrrrrrr

TIGERESS


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Originally posted by lazs2
the vietnam memorial is not a "wall of words"

It is the names of heros put in stone.

I find it offensive that you would compare a few pointless, rambling paragraphs of drivel with such a monument.

lazs
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So noted, sir.

I mean no offense even if you take offense... and I will ignore your insults.
Seeing a "a few pointless, rambling paragraphs of drivel " is your opinion... not fact.

They happen to be my opinions and I would thank you not to attack me.

Names are words. Those names are on a wall.

IF "Wall of Words" is Lazs-speak for "a few pointless, rambling paragraphs of drivel" then that is your definition of "a wall of words" not mine, Sir.

TIGERESS

well.. I don't think I did attack you. I pointed out that you were rambling.

I had a very difficult time trying to figure out just what your opinion was from what you wrote. I got the frustration and helpless "feeling" out of it but very little in the way of constructive opinion.

The part about comparing said rambling with a memorial that makes a powerful statement with no real words.. simply names... well.. that came off as... as.. I don't know what.. if nothing else it just was more... rambling. It was like "WTF?.. where the hell did that come from?"

we think a lot differently I am sure of that much... what I am not sure of is what the hell you are ever trying to say. Getting to the point is not a bad thing ya know?

lazs


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[lazs2]

guys..  I think my point is proven...  this is just like arguing with the wife or girlfriend..   She will never understand what we are saying and we don't have a clue about what she is trying to say.

Men and women simply don't see things the same way.

lazs