pyro 190 a5 climbs too slow at alt

[MANDOBLE]

Originally posted by R4M:
Y desde luego nunca he tenido un "agarron" contigo,de ningun estilo, como Mandoble sugiere que ha pasado.[ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]

No, yo no sugiero que haya pasado eso, yo lo que supongo es que ambos habreis coincidido mas de una vez en el canal 100, dirigiendoos la palabra o no, pero si leyendoos. Y que eso mas los foros es lo que puede haber formado una idea, equivocada o no, en Passao de ti.

Lo que tengo por seguro es que entre Passao y tu habreis congestionado totalmente los traductores de Altavista y Lycos. Probablemente lo unico positivo de todo esto sean unas cuantas decenas de sajones iniciandose avidamente en el aprendizaje del espanol  

[ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: MANDOBLE ]

[R4M]

cc mandoble, no problemo. Yo lo tome como q creias q habiamos tenido algun agarron anterior, y yo con este capullo no he tenido nada q ver.

En todo caso si hemos coincidido en el canal 100, habra sido muy pocas veces pq salvo los ultimos 3 meses, yo por rookland he volado realmente poco  .

[StSanta]

Drop the Spanish please, and let others in on it.

Pasao wrote:

full of insults and crap, seems near to incredible.

Hm, while RAM has used terms such as "disappointed" and "saddened", he has expressed admiration for the HTC team. I think it is his prerogative to have, and share, opinions, as long as they aren't formed as direct insults. In this thread, RAM has actually remained reasonably civil. Others AH players have attacked him, without a response from RAM's side. That's pretty good - RAm has come a long way.

RAM is a "TOCA PELOTAS" (something like BOLLOCKS TOUCHER) in a definitive way, as we said here:

You don't know RAM. You make this qualitative assessment in an effort to positively influence the results of cognitive processes in other individuals mind with regards to you. Or, put more bluntly, you're kicking on RAM because you see that there's some ill will towards him, and you hope this bellybutton licking will make others think you're cool.

I think there are more productive ways of using your tongue than planting it in the orifices of others.

As far as your 80/20% comment: be a sheep or be a leader. Stand up for what you believe in or be a conformist. It is very true that RAM seriously needs to work on his delivery. On many points however, his messages are sometimes right.


Really RAM, this is not the way to contruct a game or a comunity.

He isn't constructing it. He's pointing out (and apologizing and inadvertendly insulting while doing so) issues he thinks are relevant.

And bringing up inaccuracies in FM's is one way of perhaps getting a change.

I also have to second Hazed that the "Luftwhiner" label is getting a bit worn. Every time something is observed and noted by a "LW", it is instantly stamped "whine" and then ignored, whereas more whiny posts about other issues are considered valid.

Of course, this is overly general, but I do think that some people have a tendency to make all posts relating to LW nothing but whines, and then insult the poster.

Also, our two most vocal LW people are Spanish. Mandoble and RAM. Both go at it with an almost religious ferver. As long as it's backed up with evidence and not worded too offensively, I can just remove the whiny bits and get to the point. As I can with posts about allied hardware

HTC is doing a great job, and I have no real complains. The reason? It's their software, they do to it as they see fit, and when it's no longer fun for me, I'll quit. But it IS still fun. So no need to whine, other than for the fun of it. And the occasional emotional outburst that follows after one's ego has been bruised in the MA  .

                          Salute again to all, pasao

[AKSWulfe]

Originally posted by StSanta:
I also have to second Hazed that the "Luftwhiner" label is getting a bit worn. Every time something is observed and noted by a "LW", it is instantly stamped "whine" and then ignored

First of all, the LuftWhiner label will remain so long as threads concerning a specific LW plane can't go for more than 1 reply before the squeaking session begins.

Second of all, it ain't like the title isn't deserved. It ain't just this game either. I fly LW aircraft, I wouldn't MIND seeing them made to specs.. but I'll be damned if I want to get them fixed because someone repeatedly squeaked about some small aspect and in the process threw subtle insults around.

RAM can praise all he wants, the problem is he will throw in a line or two that is just subtle enough that some people can't pick it up but most can see it as a an attack or insult. Things like "well, they won't fix the 190, but they go right on ahead and give the P47 drop tanks"... Since I don't limit myself to just one plane type it's easy for me to pick that stuff out as a roadkill subtle whine or aggressive remark towards how HTC does things. That in itself is why these things are ignored...

Stick to the facts, leave the roadkill out and I'll bet you a box of donuts things will be better recieved.

No, it isn't "everytime" that things are percieved as a whine. Hell, I liked Zigrat's post- straight to the point, no roadkill and he stuck to what he wanted... he didn't go for the sidelines roadkill with the "oh but you guys won't fix it, but you will fix [any allied aircraft]"

It's redundant, counter productive and does not sit well with HTC or even other people who fly LW aircraft (as can be seen by myself and Pongo's replies to this thread).

Stick to the facts, leave the roadkill school yard antics to the children.
-SW

[StSanta]

First of all, the LuftWhiner label will remain so long as threads concerning a specific LW plane can't go for more than 1 reply before the squeaking session begins.

I hope this will mean regarding all posts, and all topics? That would make a helluva lot of allied fliers "LuftWhiners".

Second of all, it ain't like the title isn't deserved. It ain't just this game either. I fly LW aircraft, I wouldn't MIND
seeing them made to specs.. but I'll be damned if I want to get them fixed because someone repeatedly squeaked about some small aspect and in the process threw subtle insults around.

SWulfe, I'm talking about the label in general. Am sure you'll agree that using one person to judge everyone isn't a good practise here.

<snippetysnip>

That in itself is why these things are ignored...

I'm gonna play the devil's advocate a bit here. There is a reason to why RAM goes off on a limb - because they already *are* being ignored. Little to lose.
<devil's advocate off>
 
Stick to the facts, leave the roadkill out and I'll bet you a box of donuts things will be better recieved.

I stick to the facts, unless I'm making some lame comment about someone. My whines are easily identifiable. RAM and others *have* made strictly factual posts, supported by evidence. It's not like all they do is whine.

Also, no matter how a message is delivered, the content is the same with regards to validity. "2 plus a f*cking wh*re 2 makes f*cking 4" essentially expresses the same as "2 plus 2 makes 4". The art (and it is an art) is being able to read the points and disregard the rest, and then evaluate it. Sometimes, that can be difficult because one finds the nonsense offensive.

No, it isn't "everytime" that things are percieved as a whine. Hell, I liked Zigrat's post- straight to the point, no roadkill and he stuck to what he wanted... he didn't go for the sidelines roadkill with the "oh but you guys won't fix  it, but you will fix [any allied aircraft]"

I've read few threads regarding LW stuff that haven't resulted in "you LuftWhiners" within 5-10 posts  . But, I give you right: there is no need to go on and say "and this diddlying sucks". Point it out, back it up, and wait.

On the other hand, it's not fair to say "because the delivery is bad, it is all bad". Points are points.

It's redundant, counter productive and does not sit well with HTC or even other people who fly LW aircraft (as can  be seen by myself and Pongo's replies to this thread).

Aye, quite true. Comments such as Pongo's aren't more constructive, though.  .

OTOH, others do not need to conform. You're pretty good at making snide remarks that piss off a lot of people  . If you conformed to how others think you should behave, you wouldn't be you. And, I must say, in this thread, RAM hasn't said many negative things. What he has said is being interpreted in different fashions: the intention of the text can best be defined by the author of it. Of course, this leaves it up for after-rationalisation (cannot recall English word, hope ya get me point).

Stick to the facts, leave the roadkill school yard antics to the children.

And that goes for everyone, not just LuftWhiners. Also goes for those snide personal attacks heheh  

Laters SewaWulfe: I take it AK's aren't Knight this tour? If not: prepare to eat hot lead, traitor child!

[pasao]

Returning to english, just some notations
said:  full of insults and crap, seems near to incredible.

---BTW forget about getting an answer on this matter, he won't say a thing about it. Just as he didn't about ....
                    is this a good or positive response? i see any relation between the topic and the response

and you hope this bellybutton licking will make others think you're cool.
        Never was this my intention in absolute, else i had wrote more post by sure, just cann't stand people absolutely criticism like RAM, i has never hear a good opinion from him about anything, always the same song


As far as your 80/20% comment: be a sheep or be a leader. Stand up for what you believe in or be a conformist.
        You must ignore the rest of the phrase, the other resolve the problems that the firts 20% causes, just think, give problems or resolve problems, is not a sheep or leader question


said: Really RAM, this is not the way to contruct a game or a comunity.

He isn't constructing it. He's pointing out (and apologizing and inadvertendly insulting while doing so) issues he thinks are relevant.
        Again No, he is only trying to get his bit of glory talking how the rest do a bad job, perhaps can be better give support with ideas, data or solutions, but yes, it is more easy the words than the facts


I also have to second Hazed that the "Luftwhiner" label is getting a bit worn. Every time something is observed and noted by a "LW", it is instantly stamped "whine" and then ignored
        I fly Lw usualy, the problem with Lw is people like ram, always claiming that the planes are not superplanes and then they are undermodelled, just sound like a dark conspiration, of course many times the claims are well based and reasoned, and not always fixed, but if you are allways singing the same song, people will be get bored of you, and then give you less attention, i think that negative actitudes will not help us to get a more fidelity in the models. What ram has got with all his criticism claims? in my opinion the only got is that all Lw claims are instantly stamped as "whine". The 190 a5 can mount the mv-50 system, the 190a8 most of them was mounted with mv-50, in AH neihter of them has it, the mg151/20 is loaded with ammo to shot down bombers and not fighters or GV and like that there are a lot more of things that can be better, i would like to see a Spitfire 14 here or a gloster meteor or Ki84 or a P47N or a complete set for spanish civil war, never or almost few represented in a sim, Hispanos are too strong in my opinion and i cant keep on a bit more. What must i do? write a post throwing all by land, questioning all to get something? The game is in develop, nothing is perfect at firts, asign priorities to the most important and leave aside by the moment the fine adjusts, i am happy how the game is evolutioning, there are new ideas like carpet bombing( more realims, not like now), submarins(perhaps can be added freighters between islands to transport supplies...), change the icons in function of distance(would be an improvement), I hope HTC will sometime fix the limits of flight enveloppe in moments like a top o a zoom, seems near to impossible to do a "caida de cola" tail slide or a hammerhead as is can be done in Wb or in a R/C plane, as also in a real plane as i have seen. What we get until this moment as Lw is the fame that we have, actitudes criticism will not help us in anyway

Salutes, pasao

[AKSWulfe]

Santa, all I have to say is that if you have a choice between fixing a bug you found yourself or someone presented very clearly and you found an easy way to fix it, would you fix it or would you ignore it?

On the other side of the spectrum, if you were notified of a bug in a post that was shrouded with complaints about other "planes" in this game or other aspects and that bug isn't as easy to identify, would you fix it or ignore it?

I work in the IT field, I know for a fact that I would tell the 2nd person to go f*ck theirselves. It's not worth my energy to "help" someone who's just acting like a child.

"Oh they won't fix this, but they will fix that"

Oh, and in regards to the "they already *ARE* being ignored", sure... I guess the multiple bug fixes listed above in Hazed posts were being ignored too... right?
-SW

[R4M]

Vale pasao, otra caja de pandora que abres...te vas a arrepentir    

   

Originally posted by pasao:
Returning to english, just some notations
said:  full of insults and crap, seems near to incredible.

Yup, tendence started by you in your nice call of "tocahuevos",wich I answered calling you coward, sucker and asking you if you'd be man enough to repeat all those things you had said, face face to me.

Next post from you had twice the crap and five time the insults...tendence confirmed and increased with your later posts. You've always been quite ahead from me ,mate    

BTW and just to make everyone see what kind of element this "pasao" is

As I already have said, I asked this studmuffingot that, may our pathes cross someday in the future (in an air exhibition, or a spanish players con), wether he would be man enough to repeat what he had said, face to face instead that behind a screen, or he'd shut up like the coward he is.

(I say he is one because he did jump in this thread after I had already said I was going out of AH, so he didn't expected me to answer him. Is kind of kicking the dog, or punching a little kid. Is to mess with the weak.

Just happens this time what he thought was weak it was not)

Here is a quote of his answer:

 cuando quieras RAM me acerco a tu pueblo y te lo digo a la puta cara, que no me corto un pelo, y si hace falta te doy dos ostias

Translation:

"when you want, RAM, I'll get near of your town and tell that to your diddlying face, as I wont stop myself. And if it is needed, I'll give you a couple of
("hostias"----->spanish words for punches, hits...etc.)"

First of all and rest assured ,I've already taken his gantlet, and I'm still waiting for his email confirming where and when does he want to repeat those words in my face and give me the two "hostias". He has supposedly sent one email to me (but it is a lie, of course, as nothing was received on this end)-.

Note that in no moment I threatened him phisically nor I said I'd go looking for him to see if he'd say that face to face. I say that if our pathes happen to cross someday, I'll see if he has the guts to repeat that face to face.

His answer?. I dont threat him phisically, and he does it instantly while saying he will come directly to my town. Need to say more?  

But I just wanted you people to see how this piece of toejam called passao handles a proper and adequate answer to an unproper post.

I won't translate the "creative" passage where he asks me what do I do with my finger in my prettythang,about my sexual preferences, or asking wether if I was raped as a child by a group of gay gypsies who tore my prettythang open (and this is almost what he said, literally) because after what I avobe mentioned, Is not needed. It would be gratuite.

Is curious that this scumbag comes here calling me "Tocahuevos" because he says I clutter the forums, yet he then gives jewels as those...of course, as he was saying them in spanish...it was allright, true pasadin?  

so...

 

Originally posted by pasao:
Returning to english, just some notations
said:  full of insults and crap, seems near to incredible.

Yes passao. And almost all insults and crap came directly from you. nice you know to admit you did it  

P.S. Pasao, aun estoy esperando tu mail para ver cuando arrastras tus cojones por aqui. Y en cuanto a las hostias...bueno, eso ya lo arreglaremos en persona si tienes las pelotas de venir por aqui ...porque si no las tienes tranquilo que se va a enterar todo el mundo de que aparte de un reprimido y patetico, eres un cobarde   .

(Translation: I tell him I'm still waiting the email he's supposed to have sent me, and that regarding the "hostias", that we'll settle that if he has the guts to come to see me).

[ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]

[-ammo-]

OH my, just grow up for pete's sake!

[pasao]

Ram, i am just waiting the first oportunity to cross our ways, waiting for the first convention in anywhere, just as we could do at Sabadell..... or any cause I must go to bilbao. What i say i do, not only a big mouth as you.
I would have send the mail if my mail server will function right, as i couldn't do it i post it at BBS as soon as i finished to write it, now at home i send it again to you, not advance what you don't kow, you are staying paints down.....
Keep on in you way as toca-huevos, just raising your idiot grade, allways in you line.
I never like people like you RAM, plz don't help me with your highly searched data or  metaphysical deductions about the angels sex or the lack of 5 MPH at low level in a 190, perhaps if they inflate a bit less the landing geat tyres with the less weight the plane can runs a bit more, this is the level of your planteations.

Eat your own toejam RAM, please don't get bored me with ultra long without end post, if your life is as empty as the speed of a 190 is a life question, really you have a problem.

Spanish:
Siempre hago lo que digo y si no pregunta a quien me conoce, y te dire a la puta cara lo que quiera y mas y tu tan bocas no has de mover un puto dedo de acojonado que estaras, eres un bocas mas

Tranlation:
I always do what I said, else ask people who knows me, and i will say you face to your squeak face what i want and more, and you the big mouth, will not have to move only a finger because you are too fear to do something you are only a big mouth more

pasao

[hitech]

Ram shut up.

HiTech

[GRUNHERZ]

HT plese lock this thread.

thanks