Author Topic: Small Maps – a Creeping Process. Hmmm… (Read 12892 times)

NUKE · « **Reply #60 on:** March 06, 2004, 10:10:10 AM »

Maybe the only way to tell which maps the majority of customers likes or dislikes would be to pose a pop-up question for people to answer upon logging onto each map. Maybe only weigh replies from accounts at least 3 or 4 months old and then re-poll every 3 or 4 months.

I really don't have a gripe about any one map that what cause me to constantly post here and complain about it. Seems like a few of the same poeple are the one's constantly posting about maps they disslike. It would be very interesting to see an actual customer poll on the issue.

If I had to vote one map down, it would probably be the Pizza just for the reason of it being too easy for milk-runners ( me included at times) to capture undefended bases and bomb undefended strat, even during US prime-time.

That being said, I still enjoy playing when the Pizza is on, but just not as much as some other maps.

Toad · « **Reply #61 on:** March 06, 2004, 10:24:02 AM »

We've got a lot of maps now. That wasn't the case when we went to the intial "week of one map" rotation. Now we've got a "week with a big and small map pair rotating".

The initial crying to get maps to stay up longer when each reset brought a new map got us clubbed with the "week" stick. I think we're being left to stew in our own juice.

Maybe we need to politely request that each map be up for just two or three days and then rotate to the next. Put a small map following a large map each time or something. Two days of anything wouldn't be too bad.

Let's see we have AKD, Trinity, Big Isles, FesterMA and soon OzKansas (I hope) in the big department. Then there's Little Isles, Baltic, Mindy and Lake U.

In no particular order, why not two days each of a rotation like this:

AKD-Mindy-FesterMA-Little Isles-Trinity-Lake U-OzKansas-Baltic

That would take 16 days, 32 days to run through twice. You'd see each map roughly 4 days a month.

Thoughts?

Or, we could ask that a pop-up poll be taken on which maps to remove and take out one or two.

NUKE · « **Reply #62 on:** March 06, 2004, 10:41:05 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad

AKD-Mindy-FesterMA-Little Isles-Trinity-Lake U-OzKansas-Baltic

That would take 16 days, 32 days to run through twice. You'd see each map roughly 4 days a month.

Thoughts?

Or, we could ask that a pop-up poll be taken on which maps to remove and take out one or two.

If OzKansas gets approved, I say take Pizza up for a vote along with one of the small maps. Or take a poll on all maps, but only poll as each map is current and then ask to rate the map from 1-5 or something. After all the maps are rated, take the lowest one or two out of rotation.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #63 on:** March 06, 2004, 10:51:48 AM »

I brought up the voting for maps idea with Skuzzy one day in live chat. To say the least he was NOT receptive to the idea. The message I got from that disussion was that HTC is NOT a democracy and we'll get the maps they want us to have not the maps we want us to have. The player base only spends 800,000 hours a month and 15 bucks a head playing the game what do we know? Kind of reminds me of the mistakes Kesmai made with AW where four or five guys who rarely ever even played the game decided what's best for the 2 or 3 thousand that played 10 hours a week+ for years on end....But, that's another story.

The simple fact is, why go through the trouble of voting, HTC already knows the vast majority dislike Pizza map and to a very slightly lesser degree Big Isles, they don't need to devise an online poll because they already know the result, but they'll never remove them anyway, someone has already made that decision.

I still maintain that making more maps in addition to the bad ones already present is only a bandaid fix. Until the "poor" maps are removed the dissatisfaction factor will remain high as we are still stuck with the 'poor' maps a healthy fraction of the time regardless of how many much better maps are brought into the rotation.

Zazen

nopoop · « **Reply #64 on:** March 06, 2004, 11:08:49 AM »

I can do ANY map for three days. Even Big Isles which has become my least favorite.

SlapShot · « **Reply #65 on:** March 06, 2004, 11:23:05 AM »

The story starts out as a 4 v 4 fight and they were all killed and ...

"I finished de-acking the field and provided cap till reinforcements arrived, at which point I returned to land my five kills."

Yet you then claim to have landed 5 kills and did not vulch. The math does not add up my friend.

"But not well enough. I have the film."

"I have the film, so don't argue with me..."

Thats a given beet ... we ALL know you have the film. Thats like reporting a HIGH P51 or a HIGH 190/109 in the area ... its a given ...

Steve · « **Reply #66 on:** March 06, 2004, 12:54:14 PM »

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Now get back in your P51 and go and vulch the vulchers! You know they'll be down at 3K, so you should be safe at 15K. BTW, did you say something about a spelling mistake?

Beet1e, you're a real piece of work. You're dishonest, plain and simple. You are completely misrepresenting the film and it's contents. You are despicable.

I said a couple of things in the post you are referring to, but after I read your comment about the film you saw I lost all interest in discussing anything with you. You are blatantly being untruthful about that film. Debating is one thing, being a dishonest POS is another. You sicken me.

Everyone: Nowhere in this film do I kill an enemy vulcher. Most of my kills come near an enemy base. Grizz and I are at the base (ack up) at around 8k to start. Granted we have alt advantage but we are outnumbered. I do kill a couple of attackers as I work my way back to my base, but none are vulching. The last 2 are against opponents 1v1 where I am either at a disadvantage (first fight)or CoE(second fight).

In short, Beet1e is alluding to things that he's never seen in a film of mine; he's a liar.

If anyone would like to see this film I'll happily send it to them.

Note: This film is of a 10 kill run but other than Geists wonderful 110 flying the film is rather...unremarkable. Beet1e requested a film from me and this is the first flight I took after reading his Email.

beet1e · « **Reply #67 on:** March 06, 2004, 04:40:37 PM »

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Originally posted by tomato
Actually, he has a rather long name, but you're right, part of if contains the phrase "smoke and mirrors". :lol

ROFL! Just to think, MY computer equipment was used to post that message! - my network card, my ADSL modem/phone line.

Mr. Toad.

No, not all vulches. The base itself was at about 4.5K. My kills were 1) 190 @ 10.0K; 2) Zeke @ 7.3K. Then, as I continued de-acking, an F6F appeared in front of me about 1 second after I killed an ack. I saw no reason not to shoot it so 3) F6F - not much above the deck, admittedly. 4) B26 - I never went near it, it just blew up on the runway - prox kill. Originally, I thought it was the Spit I had pinged earlier, but I got an assist for that. 5) LA5 - near the deck but not really a vulch as it had already been away from the field and had come back to give my CO a hard time (he was low in a 190) and I saw no reason not to kill it so 5) LA5, not far from deck but he was doing 240mph at the time - not t/o vulch.

NUKE! "Maybe the only way to tell which maps the majority of customers likes or dislikes would be to pose a pop-up question for people to answer upon logging onto each map. Maybe only weigh replies from accounts at least 3 or 4 months old and then re-poll every 3 or 4 months." That's the best thing I've ever seen you post. Beats me why you've pretended to be a dork in the past.

This post shows you to be of sound mind indeed!

Zazen - The BBS is no indicator of overall opinion. Urchin recently suggested that BBS readership of the AH total subscribership was about 1%. And I would not dispute his assessment.

Slapshot - you're quite right. I made a mistake. It wasn't 4v4. It was 2v4. 2 rooks (us) v. 4 bish (them) were in the area and showing on the film panel. That was the count as I got that first kill - see the picture.

Steve, STEVE, STEVE!!! I was taking the piss, you silly old sausage! I forgot the

thingo. I'm sorry I've ended up hurting your feelings. That was NOT what I intended. Sorry I've left you languishing all day - I've been out...

pic for slapshot

thrila · « **Reply #68 on:** March 06, 2004, 04:49:56 PM »

Some of the small maps are fun. Much better than Big Isles...i forgot how much i hated it til it came up.

MetaTron · « **Reply #69 on:** March 06, 2004, 05:19:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Zazen13
The simple fact is, why go through the trouble of voting, HTC already knows the vast majority dislike Pizza map and to a very slightly lesser degree Big Isles, they don't need to devise an online poll because they already know the result, but they'll never remove them anyway, someone has already made that decision.

Lol, they know this? How do they know this? Because of the whiners on the BBS?

The online numbers present during any given rotation of AKDessert indicate a completely different picture than the one you paint.

Facts are obvious. It has been stated that HTC isn't going to play democracy, so you are wasting your time whining.

tomato · « **Reply #70 on:** March 06, 2004, 05:29:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Tomato, I'm sure it is quite a long name; things are so much more formal over there. After all, we usually just say "BS-er" but I'd guess it's "Bovine Excrement Slinging Specialist" over there, right?

I thought PC euphemisms were an American thing. (e.g., maid = domestic hygiene specialist).

However, beet1e does attract a number of labels.

Steve · « **Reply #71 on:** March 06, 2004, 06:31:50 PM »

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Steve, STEVE, STEVE!!! I was taking the piss, you silly old sausage! I forgot the thingo. I'm sorry I've ended up hurting your feelings. That was NOT what I intended. Sorry I've left you languishing all day - I've been out...

As silly as it sounds... you did hurt my feelings.

Are you sure I just didn't hit your bait so hard that I got the rod tip in my eye?

You could be that diabolical.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #72 on:** March 06, 2004, 07:35:06 PM »

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Originally posted by MetaTron
Lol, they know this? How do they know this? Because of the whiners on the BBS?

The online numbers present during any given rotation of AKDessert indicate a completely different picture than the one you paint.

Facts are obvious. It has been stated that HTC isn't going to play democracy, so you are wasting your time whining.

Just because people still play when AKD is up doesn't mean they like the map, it just means they have no choice other than a sleepy CT....

MetaTron · « **Reply #73 on:** March 06, 2004, 07:56:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Zazen13
Just because people still play when AKD is up doesn't mean they like the map, it just means tehy have no choice other than a sleep CT....

Even funnier. Your comment can be countered with "just because whiners gripe about AKDessert on the BBS doesn't mean you can't have fun on the map."

It's a matter of perspective. Anymore it's a matter of instant gratification with gamers, and sometimes you just have to make things happen yourself. To the "glass half full" (or is it half empty?) crowd apparently pizza sucks, but for the rest it's all good.

Steve · « **Reply #74 on:** March 06, 2004, 08:11:56 PM »

Exit polls at voting booths sample a very small percentage of the total voting population yet tend to be very accurate, w/ in a few points. With that in mind, if the majority of people who post in here dislike the pizza map, there is a very good chance this is reflected in the whole of the MA population as well.