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« Reply #105 on: March 22, 2004, 07:19:42 PM »
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Originally posted by Bodhi
If the Palestinians would only LEARN to stop harboring terrorists, this bs would end...

But yet they can not learn because idiots continue to feel "sorry" for the murbering bastards.  Hats off to Israel, I hope they lay waste to the entire lot of the PLO supporting bastages... My only question is when are they gonna pop Arrafat???


Could not have said it better.:aok

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« Reply #106 on: March 22, 2004, 07:29:54 PM »
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If the Palestinians would only LEARN to stop harboring terrorists, this bs would end...

But yet they can not learn because idiots continue to feel "sorry" for the murbering bastards. Hats off to Israel, I hope they lay waste to the entire lot of the PLO supporting bastages... My only question is when are they gonna pop Arrafat???


Eventually some people in the middle east will start to think, hey there is a better way. Its called Darwinisn.

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« Reply #107 on: March 22, 2004, 07:42:25 PM »
I was just going to say that!

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« Reply #108 on: March 22, 2004, 07:43:54 PM »
What many fail to see, or don't want to see, or try to see around, is that Israel isn't fighting Palestine. Israel is fighting the Arab world. Israel is fighting Islam, and unlike us, they're fighting not just for peace of mind, but for survival. There is nothing new about this concept. People have observed, quite accurately, since the inception of the Israeli state that they are surrounded by enemies. It's a fact that never becomes any less true even after being repeated a billion times. It's the Arab world verses a tiny chunk of land, in habited by a tiny segment of the regional population. Palestine is simply a very convenient fulcrum over which the whole of the arab world can leverage their politcal ambitions in regards to the Jews.

I am a Jew, so I'm baised. I'm also a Russian Jew and have family and friends living in Israel. I've been there, during better times, and have seen the way these people live day to day. I've also seen the amazing job these peolpe have done with their land, turning the barren desert into viable farmland, building beautiful cities in areas so plagued by conflict you'd wonder how any structure has survived more than a decade. Their accomplishments, not to mention millenia of Israelite history, has earned them to the right to keep that land. I don't give a flying F what people say about displaced Palestinians... If we return everything that was given away during geo-political displacements, the US would effectively have to be depopulated of a quarter billion people to facilitate the Native American revival. Things change, history moves on, more worthy, yes more WORTHY people move in to where little or nothing of worth was taking place. It's sad but it's true. Progress and change produce casualties of their own. I submit that the Israelis, in their ingenuity, in their industriousness, in their capacity to create that which is good for all the world's people, represent some of the best of what humanity has to offer. Can this be said of any other soveriegnty in the middle east?

The Israelis are waging a war of survival. The survival in question is that of a small but determined race of people that despite a history or hatred and oppression, has never given up, never laid down under the boot and likely never will. They continue to survive, every day, in conditions most people would consider uncomfortable simply by virtue of the climate, and against overwhelming odds brought on by an entire region that despises them to the core. Their enemy is backwards, fanatically religious in the biblical sense of the term, unforgiving, illogical and bigger by a factor of twenty.

This assasination, and any that came before it and all that will come after is the best they can do given the situation. It's a choice between bystander deaths, dismembered children, bulldozed houses, international censure or total annhiliation at the hands of a group that is more ruthless and less intelligent.

Anybody that wants to sit around and distribute flowery words of peace and understanding and olive branches in the face of suicide bombers, I'd venture to say that you live in a world completely removed from the realities of an ideological war taking place no more than an howitzer shot from where you sleep, and more often than not, far closer.

Yes, I side with Israel. I always will. If it takes the destruction of the Arab world as we know if for them to survive, so be it.
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« Reply #109 on: March 22, 2004, 08:09:39 PM »
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so you have nothing agains theory that they should kill everyone who does support Israeli army, include tax payers from country, whitch support them ....


WTF are you talking about?  What does this have to do w/ armed militants?  Set the crack pipe down and try to type something at least marginally coherent.
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« Reply #110 on: March 22, 2004, 08:32:16 PM »
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I have never taken the side of the terrorist, i have pointed out the danger of claiming moral superiority one day while you kill civilians the next and indirectly saying "oops" and calling it unfortionate.

If you wanna win the war on terror you have to win the hearts and minds of potential future terrorist. You dont do that by stepping on the same moral values that you try to pass on to others.

You have to be alot cleaner than the once you try to wash :)  (lol, just made that one up myself but i think it fits :D )




 ok sorry for saying they're you're hero's, I've been trying some lately to not do the name calling or smart arse intardnet thing but failed some today.


 I used to agree with you about the hearts and mind thing. But don't anymore.  This is a freakin war, I think it's WW3 myself, thankfully non-nuclear so far.  I think the way to win this thing is to kill all the terrorist.  This may not, hell it's most likely not be possible.  But if we kill enough of them around the world maybe people will figure out that terrorism is NOT the way to further your agenda.   Don't ya think there would be a country named Palestine right now if the stupid idiots would stop bombin, kidnapping, hijacking and generally murder anything Isreali?  They don't want a state.  They would have one by now if that's what they as a people truely desired.  They'd rather kill Jews than live in peace.  


You have to be alot cleaner than the once you try to wash  

 That's a good line!  I just don't think it applies to terrorist.  We're not trying to wash or clean them.  We're trying to kill them.  I see nothing clean about that.   Inocent civilians are going to be killed.  Sorry, but ya know we could be one of those civies killed too.  Remember that's what our enemy wants, us DEAD, and as many of us as possible.  So quite naturally I'd like to kill them first.   And as I said before the Pal's reaction to 9/11 kind of cemented my view of them and ended any compassion.  Though  I guess I do feel sorry for any child that's born in to that God forsaken nationality, race or what ever it is they are.

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« Reply #111 on: March 22, 2004, 08:58:22 PM »
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Now Capt. Pork, choosing just one side for annihilation wouldn't be fair now would it.


I don't believe that Israel is guilty of terrorism, and I won't get into a game of semantics with you over the meaning of the word beyond saying that it's not terrorism when the people with whom the legitimate military target has shamefully surrounded himself get killed in an attack. It's the fault of the sanctimonious coward who put them there. It's a terrorist act to teach a child that terrorism in the name of Allah, is the best thing that child can aspire to.

Furthermore, if it comes down to choosing who stays and who goes, and I'm not saying it has, I would choose for the Jews to stay. I'd make that decision in a second.

You can call me a terrorist for saying so, you can call be a racist or a bastard or a fool but at the end of the day, they do more to improve the planet on which they live. In a global community where resources and land are finite, they've done more for humanity as a whole than their nieghbors--who've done little more than pray on their hands and knees, complain, and when the first two don't work, resort to the most shameless, indescriminate acts of violence.

It's brutal, cruel but plain reality.

Of course I'm probably wrong. I do, afterall, have to pay out of my own pocket for health insurance.
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« Reply #112 on: March 22, 2004, 09:42:07 PM »
If only the Israels would stop sending settlers and illegally occupying the Gaza Strip and west bank.

If only the Palestinians would stop attacking Isreal.

If only the Isrealis would stop killing Palesitinian children

If only the Palastinians would stop killing Isreali children.


Same as it ever was.

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« Reply #113 on: March 22, 2004, 09:49:55 PM »
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If only the Israels would stop sending settlers and illegally occupying the Gaza Strip and west bank.

If only the Palestinians would stop attacking Isreal.

If only the Isrealis would stop killing Palesitinian children

If only the Palastinians would stop killing Isreali children.


Same as it ever was.


There is no such thing as a Palestinian race or country

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« Reply #114 on: March 22, 2004, 09:58:39 PM »
I thought this BB was not allowed to gloat over or celebrate the death of another human being? Isn't it over the line to be happy about the death of a human being? I would have thought this thread to be shut down by now.

A human being has been killed here folks.

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« Reply #115 on: March 22, 2004, 10:11:54 PM »
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There is no such thing as a Palestinian race or country


What does race have do do with it?  And although you might think that there is no such country the nations of the world think differently.  And at the end of the day it is the rest of the world that desides wether or not if a country is a country, through recognition of it being such.


"After looking at various alternatives, the UN proposed the partitioning of Palestine into two independent States, one Palestinian Arab and the other Jewish, with Jerusalem internationalized (Resolution 181 (II) of 1947).  One of the two States envisaged in the partition plan proclaimed its independence as Israel and in the 1948 war expanded to occupy 77 per cent of the territory of Palestine. Israel also occupied the larger part of Jerusalem. Over half the indigenous Palestinian population fled or were expelled. Jordan and Egypt occupied the other parts of the territory assigned by the partition resolution to the Palestinian Arab State which did not come into being.

In the 1967 war, Israel occupied the remaining territory of Palestine, until then under Jordanian and Egyptian control (the West Bank and Gaza Strip). This included the remaining part of Jerusalem, which was subsequently   annexed by Israel. The war brought about a second exodus of Palestinians, estimated at half a million. Security Council resolution 242 (1967) of 22 November 1967 called on Israel to withdraw from territories it had occupied in the 1967 conflict.

 In 1974, the General Assembly reaffirmed the  inalienable rights of the Palestinian people to  self-determination,  national independence and sovereignty, and to return. The following year, the General Assembly established the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People. The General Assembly  conferred on the PLO the status of observer in the Assembly and in other international conferences held under United Nations auspices."

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/ngo/history.html

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« Reply #116 on: March 22, 2004, 10:17:32 PM »
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In the 1967 war, Israel occupied the remaining territory of Palestine, until then under Jordanian and Egyptian control (the West Bank and Gaza Strip). This included the remaining part of Jerusalem, which was subsequently   annexed by Israel. The war brought about a second exodus of Palestinians, estimated at half a million. Security Council resolution 242 (1967) of 22 November 1967 called on Israel to withdraw from territories it had occupied in the 1967 conflict.

 http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/ngo/history.html


Do you even know why the 1967 war happened?

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« Reply #117 on: March 22, 2004, 10:21:02 PM »
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Also seeing how you characterise the Israelis as "more worthy" I feel I can say that I would just as well carve your bones into small toys, as I would any Palestinian terrorist sympathiser. You're just two sides of the same coin.
 


I'm actually moving there for two years as soon as I'm done college. I was planning to go to law school here but that is being deferred. Arrangments have been made. I already have a place to live waiting for me. Life isn't a computer simulation for me.

Regarding carving my bones... your perception of the world is based on the concept that we can all get along, survive and succeed, without any toes getting stepped on. Your perception is thus flawed. Land is settled and resettled all the time. Certain populations prosper over others, but if you think the Palestinians could reach a level of civilization in 50 years that the Israelis did, then I'm afraid you're painfully out of touch. With or without outside support they are a group that anthropologists need to study as an anacronysm from the 11th century. They either need to grow up or vanish. Plain and simple.

Both sides of the same coin-- won't agrue with you there. It's either us or them.
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« Reply #118 on: March 22, 2004, 10:21:43 PM »
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Capt. Pork, the state of Israel was founded on terrorism. .


Oh really? Israel was one of the first nations on this earth. Israel and the Jews where and are one of the most consistantly persecuted and brutalized in the history of man.

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« Reply #119 on: March 22, 2004, 10:25:19 PM »
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Oh really? Israel was one of the first nations on this earth. Israel and the Jews where and are one of the most consistantly persecuted and brutalized in the history of man.


It's okay Nuke, some people enjoy handing out judgements from their morally-elevated, geographically-removed high-horses.