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« Reply #120 on: March 22, 2004, 10:36:53 PM »
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It's okay Nuke, some people enjoy handing out judgements from their morally-elevated, geographically-removed high-horses.


Im not even a Jew and I can clearly see this.

to the Jews and for what they had to suffer through and what they suffer through even today. Nobody has my respect more than Israel and the Jews.

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« Reply #121 on: March 22, 2004, 10:38:28 PM »
GScholz-

Israel was founded on terrorism? I might be mistaken, but wasn't it founded to be a seperate state for the Jews?

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« Reply #122 on: March 22, 2004, 10:41:28 PM »
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GScholz-

Israel was founded on terrorism? I might be mistaken, but wasn't it founded to be a seperate state for the Jews?

To people like GSholz, Israel doesn't have a right to exist I guess.

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« Reply #123 on: March 22, 2004, 10:43:52 PM »
So GSholz, under what cercumstances would you consider an Israeli state legitimate? Maybe you think that the Jews never had a state and never should have one?

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« Reply #124 on: March 22, 2004, 10:49:03 PM »
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Just like the Palestinians now, with much of the same methods.


I don't seem to remember that Israelis used suicide bombers to get their land in the late 1940s.

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« Reply #125 on: March 22, 2004, 10:49:43 PM »
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Capt. Pork, you don't have a clue as to my perception of the world. Perhaps when you grow up you will have a clue, but now you don't. Your bias is understandable, but if you ask me to choose between Islamic murdering scum and Jewish murdering scum, I'd rather both be wiped out. Hopefully there still are people on both sides that don't think like you.


I don't have a clue because I don't see things your way? I'm sorry, I dare say that in my twenty some odd years of being on this earth and living in the two nations I've called home, I've developed a cynical viewpoint.

You refer to the Jews as oppressors and yet these 'oppressors' live in a world where they're outnumbered 1 to 20 where they live, and 1 to 100 as far as those that would just as fast see them gone entirely. As far as I'm concerned, the measures they're taking right now are mild, if survival is the key. Your survival has clearly never been threatened, and thus you advocate the live-and-let-live policy that will never work when Islam surrounds you like a circle of torch-bearing inquisitors.

How much time have you spent in the occupied territories? How much time have you spent in the middle east? That's where your perception comes from.

I have to say, Gsholtz, my decision to go there and be there, risking my hide, was, in a very, very small way, influenced by some of the things I've heard spoken on this board. People like you need to stay exactly where you are--warm and safe. Protected and ensured against everything under god by the government. Otherwise this world will be populated only by cynics.

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« Reply #126 on: March 22, 2004, 10:54:49 PM »
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Nuke, the Israeli state is legitimate. No "people" have a "right" to a state. If the Japanese islands suddenly sank into the Pacific Ocean, the survivors doesn't have the right to carve out a new nation somewhere else.

So you agree that the "Palestinian" Arabs have no right to carve out a new nation then?

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« Reply #127 on: March 22, 2004, 10:59:16 PM »
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Then you haven't read this whole thread have you?


No, but I know history well enough to say that.

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« Reply #128 on: March 22, 2004, 11:06:27 PM »
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Im not even a Jew and I can clearly see this.

to the Jews and for what they had to suffer through and what they suffer through even today. Nobody has my respect more than Israel and the Jews.


As a Jew I thank you.
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« Reply #129 on: March 22, 2004, 11:09:34 PM »
Did the Israeli helo pilot get to paint a wheelchair killmarker on the side of his craft?

And why are the ragheads so pissed? The gimp is in alla-land pounding away at his 40 virgins right now, they should be happy for the old boy.

Which makes me think, do female martyrs get 40 male virgins? Like any woman would want 40 newbies poking around trying to find the sweet spot, where's the reward in that?

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« Reply #130 on: March 22, 2004, 11:10:47 PM »
Law it's what I feel and believe in my heart! NO OTHER people in history  have been persecuted and demonized as much as the Jews have been.

Israel is a GREAT nation and they will survive despite ignorant people.

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« Reply #131 on: March 22, 2004, 11:19:11 PM »
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Perhaps with the exception of the Native Americans.


What happened to the native Americans? The Europeans kind of took their land it seems.


The Spanish, French, Mexicans and British took the native American's land. Want sources?

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« Reply #132 on: March 22, 2004, 11:20:03 PM »
Well yes the Jews have has there fair share of hardships.
But so have the American Indian and the African blacks .
Many peoples have been persicuted over the years.

But I think to understand the mindset of the modern day jew you must look into history and see that they have been scewed over so many times it aint funny.

Heck 6 million dead alone in ww2.
So you have to excuse them for wanting to hold onto there homeland any way they can.

They have understood for years that you cannot bargain with the terrorist you must fight them on there own level.

And I think you will find the IDF kills far fewer civilians than the terrorist do.

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« Reply #133 on: March 22, 2004, 11:32:33 PM »
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Yes Nuke, the Europeans ... your ancestors.

How do you know who my ancestors are?

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« Reply #134 on: March 22, 2004, 11:32:55 PM »
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I completely agree that the Israelis have the right to defend themselves, I just disagree with their methods.

Oh, and btw. I think you will find that the Israeli/Palestinian kill ratio favours the Israelis by far.


The PLO tagets civlilians the IDF targets the PLO.
I see i huge difference there.