WTG Israel

[Capt. Pork]

Originally posted by GScholz
Capt. Pork, you don't have a clue as to my perception of the world because you have not seen what I have seen, or done what I have done. You're a young man still in school that has never seen war except on TV. Perhaps your stay in Israel will change that, but I think not.

I'll have my stay in Israel and god willing, will return, more educated, more mature, more enlightened and perhaps more angry, or perhaps not....But that leads me to wonder....

What, exactly, is your 'perception' of this topic worth, practically speaking? Seems to me your just another mouth with an uninterrupted air-supply from your lungs.

It's likely I'm mistaken. Am I?

[Capt. Pork]

Originally posted by GScholz
Capt. Pork, my "perception" is worth just as much and as little as anyone else's that post here. Or did I misunderstand your question?

Actually, Scholz, that's the first point on which we agree. Our perceptions are all equally valuable and equally worthless here.

For the sake of our collective happiness, I hope you have a good day. It is time for me to end mine.

[LAWCobra]

Originally posted by GScholz


Palestinian deaths: 2 484
Palestinian injuries: 22 607
(Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistic http://www.pcbs.org/ )


Israeli deaths: 806
Israeli injuries: 5 586
(Ministry of Foreign Affairs, State of Israel website http://www.mfa.gov.il/ )

Seems to me the Israelies are getting killed at a2-1 rate according to your stats there.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by GScholz
Here's a nice breakdown of the children killed during the 2001-2002 Intifada up to 15 August 2002 by Defence for Children International:

And how many of these children were armed? How many of these children were between armed palestinians sniping at IDF checkpoints and Israeli soldiers?

You do know about that particular tactic dont you...send in a bunch of 4-10 yr old kids to throw rocks at the Israeli soldiers, then have 4-5 guys armed with AK-47s standing 50-100 meters behind the kids shooting at the Israeli soldiers. It makes for wonderful tv images I can tell you...since the Israeli soldiers will have to shoot over the kids heads to hit the gunmen...and sometimes the pals get real lucky and have a stray bullet hit one of the kids. It makes for even better tv images....

But its all the Israelis fault really...somehow.

The kill stats say nothing whatsoever. You have armed palestinians shot dead while attacking an Israeli settlement count as civilians. You have kids deliberately put in harms way by their older friends and even parents counted as civilians killed by Israel.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by NUKE
Do you even know why the 1967 war happened?

Yes.  But I don't think this has anything to do with your contention that Palastine isn't a recognised country.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Yes.  But I don't think this has anything to do with your contention that Palastine isn't a recognised country.

Palestine isnt a recognized country...whats your point?

[Kirin]

Originally posted by AVRO1
Stupid move by Israel, violence has not worked in the last 15 years, I see no reason why it should start working now.
The only result will be an increase in violence.
Which is the opposite of what they want, I think.

A brilliant move by Ariel Sharon. Escalation of violence is what he wants. Any reaction by the palestines will justify massive military actions by Israel. The target was perfect - easy to justify his execution before the Isreal people and sure to stir up the pot amongst the palestines. Sharon knows how to play the cards and I fear the arabs will play along...   we looking forward to bright times!

[Staga]

How peacefull place that part of earth would be if a meteor would wipe away every jew and arab from there.

One can only hope  

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Hortlund
Palestine isnt a recognized country...whats your point?

...interesting rebuttal technique, simple denile.  Unfortunational I already posted sources from the UN website that says that, in fact, it is recognised.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Thrawn
...interesting rebuttal technique, simple denile.  Unfortunational I already posted sources from the UN website that says that, in fact, it is recognised.

You are funny.

Not even the pals themselves claim that they have their own country...they WANT a country and they think they have the right to their own country...but not even the most fanatical Hamas supporter claims that they have a country right now.

[Nilsen]

We can argue this forever, but the violence and killing will increase after the killing of Yassin.

I really hope im proven wrong but i don't think so.

[Pei]

Originally posted by NUKE
What happened to the native Americans? The Europeans kind of took their land it seems.


The Spanish, French, Mexicans and British took the native American's land. Want sources?

Don't forget the Americans as well! After all we Brits only had 13 colonies in the East. All that land to the west full of various native nations, or were. Destiny of the nation and the frontier spirit and all that jazz.

[Naso]

Originally posted by NUKE
How do you know who my ancestors are?

Are you a native american sniper ???

[moose]

interesting that someone who is openly disturbed about virtual blood on AH2's cockpits can so easily condone the killing of another person.

not that i have one opinion or another on whether that guy shoulda died, but by killing him Isreal guaranteed more violence.. and now Hamas is so pissed that they've also threatened the US.

How would you feel Eagler if someone you knew was killed as part of retaliation for this?

I'm of the opinion that the US should just cut it's ties with Isreal. People wonder why so many hate the US, maybe it's because the hardware we sell to Isreal goes right to killing terrorists (and unfortuantely, any civilians around them, which is the real problem)

[Habu]

I guess if this was 1945 some of you guys would be saying that killing Hitler was a big mistake as well.