Author Topic: So that's what Islam is to these guys, eh.. (Read 5569 times)

Sox62 · « **Reply #120 on:** May 12, 2004, 12:42:35 PM »

I wonder if the people who performed this atrocity truly appreciate how it affects your typical U.S citizen or soldier.

It doesn't scare us,it just enrages us.

Westy · « **Reply #121 on:** May 12, 2004, 12:45:34 PM »

"What would you call that approach to this subject?"

My approach was more of offering explanations than any kind of defense. By trying to point out to the indignant (more than just you) that there indeed were more than a "few" Arabs who were disgusted by what happened and that posts here calling for Arab public condemnations were made when it was in the middle of the night over there.
Is it that hard to shed the cut & dry, black OR white, "with us or against us" attitude?

txmx · « **Reply #122 on:** May 12, 2004, 12:53:32 PM »

Rememeber Islam Is peace!
Yeah right !! now someone pull my finger.

Toad · « **Reply #123 on:** May 12, 2004, 01:00:58 PM »

Ah, an explanation. OK.

Let's see.. this came out Tuesday and hit all the headlines.

So, how long would be a reasonable period to wait before we should expect to hear a condemnation of the act from either leading Ayatollahs or Mullahs and the political leadership of the prominent Islamic countries in the area like Iran, Syria, Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, et al?

In your opinion, of course.

I'm willing to wait........ how long do you think would be reasonable?

AKIron · « **Reply #124 on:** May 12, 2004, 01:00:59 PM »

From what I can find here: http://www.allied-media.com/aljazeera/index.htm Al Jazeera isn't even carrying the story. Where are you finding these expressions of outrage among Muslim leaders over this murder Westy?

Rude · « **Reply #125 on:** May 12, 2004, 01:01:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Westy
"What would you call that approach to this subject?"

My approach was more of offering explanations than any kind of defense. By trying to point out to the indignant (more than just you) that there indeed were more than a "few" Arabs who were disgusted by what happened and that posts here calling for Arab public condemnations were made when it was in the middle of the night over there.
Is it that hard to shed the cut & dry, black OR white, "with us or against us" attitude?

Please define, "a few".....then compare that to the more than a few who voiced their distaste of the conduct by our MP's towards Iraqi prisoners here in the US.

Then if ya want, respond to my first post to you.

Toad · « **Reply #126 on:** May 12, 2004, 01:02:51 PM »

Oh, yeah........ how long should I expect to wait for the posters in the "American abuse" threads that so vociferously condemned the US, its soldiers and its leaders to drop by here and condemn this beheading?

Any guideline on that?

Yeager · « **Reply #127 on:** May 12, 2004, 01:03:59 PM »

Thats NEO-WESTY tyvm

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #128 on:** May 12, 2004, 01:04:12 PM »

I'm shocked that the leading Muslim religious authorities have not condemned this. If it was just a beheading or another murder maybe I could undrestant their silenve. But it wasnt.

They were yelling "GOD IS GREAT" as they slowly cut off a living mans head. They were chanting "GOD IS GREAT" as this defenseless innocent man was screaming in agony. They were chanting "GO IS GREAT" as his last breath gurgleed out through the blood of his severed windpipe. They were chanting "GOD IS GREAT" as they lifted up his severed head....

Ravells is right. The selence is defeanining.

However the bizzare defense and marginalization of thes ascts by some on the left is even more stunning....

lada · « **Reply #129 on:** May 12, 2004, 01:08:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Westy, I read the BBC and Reuters stories on it.

Note in both cases they have some comments from "the man on the street" and that this commentary is pretty equally divided saying "Bad thing" and "Americans deserve it". In short, it's a split decision from the man on the street.

What do you mean by "American diserve it"

Occupants are occupants, so they deserve what occupants deserve.

mosgood · « **Reply #130 on:** May 12, 2004, 01:09:46 PM »

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Originally posted by txmx
Rememeber Islam Is peace!
Yeah right !! now someone pull my finger.

Hmmm.... I seem to remember hearing about times in history that the same thing could be said about Christianity.

Islam doesn't have the market cornered on having people warp their religion to justify their crazed ideals.

This is NOT about religion. whether those animals say it is or not. They killed that man because of their political views... plain and simple

Westy · « **Reply #131 on:** May 12, 2004, 01:41:41 PM »

"So you're basically saying that given some more time,condemnation by the Arab world is forthcoming? How long should we all wait?"

I'd say there might. I'm not anti-Muslim or Arab so I'm not denying them the benefit of the doubt. I'd hope to see some but how long should you wait? Seeing as you're not I cannot answer that. Only you could.

"Let's see.. this came out Tuesday and hit all the headlines....how long do you think would be reasonable?"

It hit the WESTERN headlines; the BBC, Foxnews, Reuters etc. which are all "7X24" on the web as well as broadcast. When I was looking for Arab reaction yesterday and last night there was nothing anywhere (that could even be reached) Today at least there is. As for how long to wait. See above. But don't hold your breath. There was a lack of secular condemnation on the web, in print and tv when Pearl was murdered too.

"Please define, "a few"...."

A few today is a lot more than the none being noted yesterday.

"then compare that to the more than a few who voiced their distaste of the conduct by our MP's towards Iraqi prisoners here in the US. "

Why? Are the expectactions of American servicemen behavior more or less than those for a people from a tribal culture that hasn't changed much since the 7th century?

"Thats NEO-WESTY tyvm

Atypical Yeager non-contribution.

They killed that man because of their political views... plain and simple]

Absolutely. The same people (or type - Islamic extremists) did this to Pearl in Pakistan.

Yeager · « **Reply #132 on:** May 12, 2004, 01:43:53 PM »

I actually am taking a liking to NEOism.

I am a NEOist!

LONG LIVE THE NEO!!!!!

lada · « **Reply #133 on:** May 12, 2004, 01:48:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Monk
What really disgusts me, is the same display shown on a on a well know German newspaper.

seriously i have no clue, why does that disgusts you ?

its part of reality isnt it ?

Toad · « **Reply #134 on:** May 12, 2004, 01:51:21 PM »

So, there's plenty of time to get the reaction of the "Muslim on the street" in many countries but there's just been no time to ask someone in either a religious or governmental leadership position?

And there's no 24/7 news services in Arab lands? It was on AlJazeera about 10 hours ago and they've got "man in the street" reaction already.

I guess this is such a complicated issue... beheading a civilian ... that the leadership has to go into deep thought about whether or not they should say it's bad?

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As for how long to wait. See above. But don't hold your breath. There was a lack of secular condemnation on the web, in print and tv when Pearl was murdered too.

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It would seem you realize what's going to happen even as you "explain" the non-action taken so far.