Vets speak out about Kerry

[Masherbrum]

Senator Trent Lott (R-MS) offered a resolution that called for more aggressive enforcement of existing gun laws, tougher penalties for gun-related crimes and protection for the rights of law-abiding gun owners. On May 17, 2000 , the non-binding vote passed 69-30.

Thank you Trent.  Point served.  Try again.  Repubs voted on ALL ISSUES for CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.  I agree with that 100%.  

Karaya

PS - All the bills the Repubs seem to side with are for CRIMINALS. I assisted in curbing around 200 church attendee's when the "CCW laws" were being petitioned 2 years ago.  After the homily, some gun-grabber told us all of the "Mt. Morris school shooting that happened here in Mi".  More than 400 people lined up to sign this trash petition.  I cut to the front and said " You do realize that what you said, has nothing to with Law abiding citizens carrying a concealed weapon right?"  She was stunned.  Then came the nail in the coffin. I said, "What does a law-abiding citizen carrying a concealed weapon have to with a .22 caliber pistol, laying on a crack-house coffee table?".  People flooded the doors to leave, knowing they had been dooped.  She picked up her papers, and got out of Dodge.

[Crumpp]

I am a Republican.  What is wrong with the simple background checks at gun shows.  Seems to me it is an attempt to close a loophole criminals can use to buy guns.  The type background check they make takes only a few minutes to insure the buyer has no warrents or priors which restrict him from owning a gun.  

It is not gun registration and law abiding citizens have nothing to fear.  As a former cop, we have plenty of gun laws.  We just need to enforce them and make PEOPLE take responsibility for THEIR actions.


Crumpp

[Nash]

It's the damn principle of the thing, Crumpp.

[Masherbrum]

I agree with you Crumpp, I grew up next to the current Assistant Chief of the Farmington Hills PD, and his son (one of my good friends) is a SWAT member in Troy.

I have no problems with registration at a gun show, to insist my point, the CCW is your Purchase Permit in the state of Mi.  If you have just one outstanding parking ticket, you are not getting a CCW.  

It's the Democrats constantly constant beating the "Because of Criminals, law abiding citizens should get screwed" drum that annoys me.

Karaya

[Toad]

Originally posted by Nash
Nope.

Disagree.

Prefering isolationism as a result of this being a screwed up world bumps you up to a category I didn't see there. Idealist.

OMG! I'm a CANADIAN!!! arrrghhhhhhhhhhhhh! Say it ain't so!

[Nash]

Pack yer bags baybeeeee!!!!



But uh... You disagree? You "feel that one can both be realistic and isolationist at the same time"?

I think isolationism is nuts, considering.

[Crumpp]

Isolationist policies in the Middle East help contribute to the situation you see today over there.  Only American presence has really been US Companies helping the locals develop their oil and the Sinai peacekeeping force.  

It's been real easy to blame the US for their societal problems and with no one around to refute or tell our side of the story, lots of unjust anger is being heaped our way.

Crumpp

[AKIron]

The background check done when purchasing a gun from either a dealer or at a gunshow in Texas is quick and painless. I have no problem this. However, I believe I do have a problem with the  government maintaining records on my gun purchases. Call me paranoid if you want but should Hillary or some other politician decide they want to round up all the guns in this country I'd just as soon they don't know about mine.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by AKIron
The background check done when purchasing a gun from either a dealer or at a gunshow in Texas is quick and painless. I have no problem this. However, I believe I do have a problem with the  government maintaining records on my gun purchases. Call me paranoid if you want but should Hillary or some other politician decide they want to round up all the guns in this country I'd just as soon they don't know about mine.

Mine will turn up "stolen" if that day comes.

Karaya

[Toad]

It all depends on the definition of "isolationism".

Just put me down as totally in favor of George Washington's farewell address with respect to foreign affairs.

I don't think George was nuts; far from it.

[Nash]

No he wasn't nuts...

But the world has put on a few years since the time he gave that speech. He would have adapted, I have no doubt about it.

[Crumpp]

About ten years ago the certain Legislature's office's actually put out feelers to some of the units in the military to see what the reaction would be to assisting Law Enforcement in rounding up guns.  It was right after Reagan's Assasination attempt during the "Brady Bill's" formation.

The answer was a big fat NO.  Not only from the troops but also from JAG.  See the Military takes an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies, both foreign and DOMESIC.  Unless they repealed the second amendment the US Military would have a clear duty to uphold the constitution and prevent illegal seizure if Law Enforcement did not do it's job.  Kind of a salamanderly situation Capital Hill decided to leave alone.  In short it is TOTALLY illegal.  We are not talking passing a simple bill in Congress, we are talking having to rewrite the Constitution by repealing an amendment.  

Crumpp

[Crumpp]

oops, almost 20 years ago.  Showing my AGE.

Crumpp

[Toad]

So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification.

It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.

As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public councils 7 Such an attachment of a small or weak towards a great and powerful nation dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter.

Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it.

Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.

The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.

What part of that really needs to be changed?

[storch]

Originally posted by Toad
What part of that really needs to be changed?

Madison?? none of it needs changing, indeed it needs better application.  ah just read up a little higher George Washington.  Thanks for posting that.