La-7.....frusteration.....rising.....

[AKFokerFoder+]

this is exactly a list of things that would make you a "limp-wristed wussy" in some very vocal (err, multi-thousand posts) people's lists.

Yeppers, I sure would be called that,

I believe it was Oswald Boelke who said "Always from above, seldom at the same level, never from below."

If anyone would really read Robert Shaws book on aerial combat.  Well he talks about SA, i.e. not engaging without advantaqe, gang banging tactics (loose Duece, Valencias Mowing Machine, Thatch Weave), running like a scalded dog if you have to, shooting only when sure of the target...  That book is the defacto bible of ACM.

I will gang bang, vulch, cherry pick, back stab, runstang, HO, drown kittens, and club baby seals...

Call me any name you want, guns are the only thing I really listen to

BTW Sir, you sound like you are not far from total enlightenment

But the thread was on how to beat a LA7 with an inferior airplane.  Well you don't do it following Code Duello.  You act like a razor toting snake in the grass.  That is how ACM really works.

Honor is not relavant to ACM

[humble]

You act like a razor toting snake in the grass. That is how ACM really works.


YUp:aok

[Stang]

I told you guys the la7 PWN3S everything...  all except the p40!:p

[Swager]

AKFokerFoder!

Amen Brother!!

If more people would go by that philosophy there would be alot less bitc......complai...........e xpressing of concern!

Just last night some N1K2 dweeb called me names for running in my Spit14.  I was low on ammo and no fuel.  

Some people just dont get it!

[4510]

Originally posted by Karnak
 How do you deal with an aircraft that is faster, better climbing, tighter turning, faster accelerating and better rolling?

Get out of the Ki-84 and fly a 109G10?

[Karnak]

Originally posted by 4510
Get out of the Ki-84 and fly a 109G10?

no!

[4510]

Originally posted by Karnak
no!

Well ya can't blame a guy for trying !  

[humble]

One last waste of bandwidth, couldnt find a Ki but found a spitty...I ended up digging a pool in the woods pushing a shot to far but it will give you some idea of what I think might be happening....I'm not out turning him anywhere but i'm out of plane almost the whole fight and managing both relative E state and my powerband....basically establish angles and create the neg E state I need on merge...he's then fighting me with to much E. I get two nice shots but cant convert....we then hit that drex thingie "convergence of E state where I have to switch to E fighting....spiral climb him and switch back to angles...ding him again...reconvert to E fighting....switch back miss my 1st shot and get greedy....basically I've got the E sucked out of him but pushed it a but farther than I should have considering I dont know the FM at all well....basically should of gone vertical and repeated...he wasnt going anywhere. Basically the same fight I'd fly vs a KI cept I'd be more careful on the verticals....

http://www.azhacker.com/images/film42.ahf

From what I saw/felt there a la-7 will not turn with a spit for long...

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
I...  Below could be called Dicta FokerFoder, but I stole all the ideas reading Robert Shaw and Dicta Boelke... /B]

FokerFoder.

This community needs much more of this kind of insight. In days of old when Knights were ... uh ... B-landers ... just about everyone who played read Shaw, Boelke, Galland, and so on.


Anyway ... I took the Ki-84 on a few test hops and the biggest problem I had with La-7's was waiting for the fight to slow down so I could cut inside of them. Once low and slow it didn't take long to finish the deed - no flaps needed. Not sure of the skill level of the La-7 drivers I ran into - since they tried to flat-turn with me - but that's what I wanted to check out anyway.

The La-7 could disengage at will with a well timed reversal but a straight extend started below 150 mph the Ki was able to stay close long enough to land cannon hits - there's like a 5-10 second window before the La-7's grunt kicks in and leaves the Ki-84 in the dust.

The '84 really felt at ease working the vertical too. I was more worried going downhill because of the controls losing authority than spinning or stalling out at the top.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by 4510
Well ya can't blame a guy for trying !  

Heh.  I've done some time in the Bf109G-10 when I first started AH.

It's not really my cup of tea.  I like the Bf109G-6 better actually.


Thanks humble.

I watched the first film earlier.

[MANDO]

Those of you systematically posting "killing La7s with plane X is easy" think about how easy would be to kill plane X with La7. And about the funny stats, stop vulching La7s and lets see what kind or ratio the La7 would have. As far as I remember, La7s and spits were the very most vulched rides.

[rod367th]

Originally posted by Zanth
"The La-7 simply out turns the Ki-84, even once the Ki-84 gets it's flaps out. "

I humbly (however strongly) disagree.  In my experience the KI84 well out classes either the la7 and la5.  Just my opinion, but overall stats (and even my sorry numbers) seem to support this.

The La-7 has 237 kills and has been killed 250 times against the Ki-84-Ia.

The La-5FN has 32 kills and has been killed 53 times against the Ki-84-Ia.

ZANTH  Sorry numbers can not tell true story in AH.  You have no clue how many la7's were vulched at capped base or vise versa. plane numbers just Don't show true facts, I've seen guys up vulched bases in every plane in game over and over. To me it seems la7 is plane of choice if vulched base.  Just like b24s now SEEN a newbie Bishop take off 50 times in b24s at capped base. so imagine how b24 's deaths look. You know he's not only guy upping bombers over and over vulched base.  ?And everyone knows most la7's will leave if they lose adv. where as ki84 can be caught by troops on the ground

[Simaril]

Originally posted by humble
I've got no clue if you've even bothered to look at any of these...let me know if i'm just wasting bandwidth....

Humble, whether he's using them or not -- thanks for the post and comments!! I try to get all this stuff that i can....next best thing to tutoring for moving past basic acm to the more advanced stuff. Thanks!

[humble]

Karnak...

Hope they help, if nothing else it'll give you an idea of 1 particular style of flying. Going back to the original question thats really where the answer lies. As a general rule superior planes tend to breed inferior pilots since the pilot relies on the plane to do the work for him. Thats why some planes get the "dweeb" tag...basically all spit,lala,pony drivers get "discounted"...at the same time all three are formidable planes when flown correctly.

If you look at the clips I put up...none of the things I do are plane dependent. Everything occurs well within the performance envelope of the plane....so I'm happy in anything with reasonable vis,roll & turn. Now if I'm in a plane like the lala I'll use it...all the ki rev are angles....while the Lala is energy driven. In the ki-61 I'm tightening the fight since I have no where to go and no "better" option. In the lala I'm slowing the con down so I can then E fight him (since I cant kill the bugger with my gunnery sooner).

I tend to lose to pilots who combine equal or better vis and tactics with flying to the "edge". It's rarely plane dependent...I keep feeling your looking for the "edge" in the plane when its in the pilot.

[4510]

Originally posted by Karnak
Heh.  I've done some time in the Bf109G-10 when I first started AH.

It's not really my cup of tea.  I like the Bf109G-6 better actually.

 

I liked the 109F and the 109G-10.  Favored the G-10 because in the MA and its inevitable gang deal... the G-10 could dictate its own terms as far as a fight was concerned.  (as long as you didn't stay too long and let too many higher E people arrive)

The 109F was fun working along the fringes or in a small relatively even furball.  But out alone in the 109F .... too easy to be run down and ganged. (same for the G6)