Author Topic: La-7.....frusteration.....rising..... (Read 5343 times)

4510 · « **Reply #60 on:** November 09, 2004, 07:45:03 AM »

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Originally posted by rod367th
.....where as ki84 can be caught by troops on the ground

DoctorYO · « **Reply #61 on:** November 09, 2004, 08:21:39 AM »

La7 is a dweeb plane, been said many times.. It combines the best of the top aircraft into one package (not including fuel but manage your throttle and youll go far)

Anyone who flys it and claims they have skill is using the thing as a crutch... in ah1 in a turn fight it couldn't hang with spits or even a mustang.. now it can turn with both in AH2. (mannaged throttle of course)

Simple solution; dweeb out and fight fire with fire..(g10 is good matchup but you have issues..) or suffer inferior proformance from another aircraft.. Not saying la7 is unbeatable..(equal pilots though my money is on the la7) the only time i feel in control of a la7 fight is when im in latewar dweebness.. (f4u4 {da best}, mustang.., g10... etc.....) anything slower than 340 deck speed is asking for trouble against the la7.. (some may claim success against it in slower but thats la7 pilot incompetence with me at the helm you wouldn't win.. I'll bet paypal money on it..)

dweebmobile should be perked plain and simple.. no other plane unbalances the arena the way that plane can.. if you meet a horde of them vs non la7 horde the la7 horde will win.. dont take my word for it goto the MA and see for yourself....

DoctorYo

Tilt · « **Reply #62 on:** November 09, 2004, 08:35:51 AM »

I have never seen a horde of La7's............ rarely do I see more than 2 at once...............

It must be a time zone thing.............

nikis and spits however...................

but nothing has changed .................the La7 is the superlative "street fighter" low down..........in carefull hands it fights safe and dirty and the 3 cannon version has the punch for the quick kill via a snapshot.

Slow............... the La7 is no where near as stable a gun platform as the Ki84. But if the La7 pilot has allowed himself to be suckered into a slow fight then he deserves the outcome.

All in all the La7 is one hell of a sweet ride once you come to terms with having to rtb for fuel half way thru any fight other than base defence.

humble · « **Reply #63 on:** November 09, 2004, 09:19:30 AM »

An La-7 is simply not going to turn with a spitty YO...period. Now you did hit the nail on the head...you can manage relative E and angles to your advantage. All in all the lala is the most complete low alt fighter in the game but it's not overwhelming except when flown to its full capabilities. Yak and "B" pony both excellent la-7 killers....good spit IX driver will give lala a run for his money as well. Still 80% pilot, 20% plane...

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #64 on:** November 09, 2004, 09:39:22 AM »

Just never expect ur plane will do the wonder.

ur the man and la7s'are flown by dweebs and are very beatable as long as they don't run and ho u in the end.

it's their lame flying style that only irritates

but hell i only fly p38

Zanth · « **Reply #65 on:** November 09, 2004, 09:48:48 AM »

THe Ki84 has the ability to take off with 50% fuel loaded with 2x DTs or 1000#'s of bombs at +/-60 mph and initially climb out at around 3k fpm. This, not speed, is the KI94s special power.

Just before the KI84 came out I had been playing in Spit 1 a lot. Just my own personal observation of the KI84 is that with the flaps out the Ki84 feels like a Spit 1 that can climb.

If you get a good advantage on a LA7, he will typically dive and run. If an engagement goes bad while in a KI84, you can climb. This is the difference for me. In KI84 I will not attempt to chase the LA7's, this is not the fight I want. 400 yards or so out I climb and hard. Hopefully they come back, and they almost always do.

Anyway I have fun with the KI84. It is a pleasure to fly and die in - Love it hate it, it's your quarter.

GScholz · « **Reply #66 on:** November 09, 2004, 09:51:50 AM »

The La-7 dominates all other non-perked rides in the low-to-medium altitude regime. At high alt it is not the best, but still good (~410 mph at 20k). An La-7 can turn with a Spit9, and even outturn it by using flaps, outrun everything, out-accelerate everything, and out-climb everything at low alt. It has no serious handling vices, and stalls gently with easy spin recovery.

humble · « **Reply #67 on:** November 09, 2004, 10:09:40 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
The La-7 dominates all other non-perked rides in the low-to-medium altitude regime. At high alt it is not the best, but still good (~410 mph at 20k). An La-7 can turn with a Spit9, and even outturn it by using flaps, outrun everything, out-accelerate everything, and out-climb everything at low alt. It has no serious handling vices, and stalls gently with easy spin recovery.

Agree with everything but the out turn the spitty part...simply not gonna happen. Now the flip side is it has limited vis and for me at least somewhat poor ballistics. To kill someone you need to get inside 400 yds...so you put them inside 400 yds...your not gonna buzz bomb a good pilot and kill him all that often (even if ya ding him up a bit). Eventually you got to go down in the weeds with him and finish him off. The bottom line is pretty simple....there are no dominant planes...just dominant pilots.

Karnak · « **Reply #68 on:** November 09, 2004, 10:12:32 AM »

humble,

I watched your films. Thay're basically tactics that I used in the Mossie, though you're better at them than I am.

I saw that auger coming at the end of the second film. I've done that too many times.

That isn't what it looks like the La-7s are doing to my Ki-84 though. You were moving out of plane with those Spits whereas the La-7s I'm dealing with look like they are staying in plane with me.

What I'm starting to think is that the turn rates are really close and a fueled Ki-84 will be out turned by an La-7 whereas a Ki-84 with 50% or less fuel will out turn the La-7. I almost always take 100% fuel with the Ki-84 otherwise it is most likely a one way trip.

Zanth,

Remember that the La-7 out climbs the Ki-84 by more than 500fpm.

GScholz,

That about sums up my opinion of the La-7. It is a free, better manuvering, lighter gunned Tempest Mk V.

Zanth · « **Reply #69 on:** November 09, 2004, 11:10:19 AM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
Remember that the La-7 out climbs the Ki-84 by more than 500fpm.

Sure but how well does la7 climb at 60 mph? (i.e. stability at slow speed) That makes a huge difference.

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #70 on:** November 09, 2004, 11:32:01 AM »

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Originally posted by Widewing
Let's review the two fighters side by side.

If and when HTC fixes the Ki-84 problems associated with speeds above 200 mph, the Hayate will become a far more dangerous adversary for the La-7. For now, it must drag the fight down to low speeds to win against a good stick. Moreover, a good stick will disengage before that happens. Fo rnow, you will have to depend on the williness of an La-7 fighter to mix it up.

My regards,

Widewing

Appreciate the info Widewing. I'm going to cut and paste it to my growing text file of important info on planes in AH. Understand, my observations were made based on my actual experiences flying against the La-7 while in the Ki-84. That has been limited to once so far. Plus some messing around in the TA and offline.

If I made it sound as though I was stating a fact then I said it wrong. Many things can affect climb rate. I dont know what his fuel loadout was, how many Gz he pulled, etc. All I know is that it lasted a long time, it was consistent, and it was noticeable. If he had run I never would have caught him. If we had stayed in the turns, who knows? We didnt stay in it more than a couple of revolutions before he would dive out for separation.

Karnak · « **Reply #71 on:** November 09, 2004, 11:40:47 AM »

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Originally posted by Zanth
Sure but how well does la7 climb at 60 mph?

Same as the Ki-84, it doesn't.

Seriously though, if you need to rely on the La-7 driver being dumb enough to get the speed down to 120mph you are at a titanic disadvantage.

DarkglamJG52 · « **Reply #72 on:** November 09, 2004, 11:41:36 AM »

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Originally posted by MANDO
Those of you systematically posting "killing La7s with plane X is easy" think about how easy would be to kill plane X with La7. And about the funny stats, stop vulching La7s and lets see what kind or ratio the La7 would have. As far as I remember, La7s and spits were the very most vulched rides.

Hola Mandoble.

¿Es tan malo el Ki 84 cómo lo pintan por aquí?

Por lo que leo, es inferio al Niki. Y en principio yo esperaba básicamente un niki más rápido.

Tengo un GRAN GRAN BIG BIG GRAN GRAN mono de AH.

Un saludo, mr Dora dweeb.

Zanth · « **Reply #73 on:** November 09, 2004, 11:46:39 AM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
Same as the Ki-84, it doesn't.

You will be quite surprised then, take off with the flaps full out and prepare to be amazed.

Zanth · « **Reply #74 on:** November 09, 2004, 12:10:19 PM »

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Originally posted by DarkglamJG52
Hola Mandoble.

¿Es tan malo el Ki 84 cómo lo pintan por aquí?

Por lo que leo, es inferio al Niki. Y en principio yo esperaba básicamente un niki más rápido.

Tengo un GRAN GRAN BIG BIG GRAN GRAN mono de AH.

Un saludo, mr Dora dweeb.

I was bored - This is how it comes out of translator (http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com)

Is so bad the Ki 84 how paint it this way? Reason why I read, is inferio to Niki. And in principle I waited for basically faster Niki. I have a GREAT GREAT BIG BIG GREAT GREAT monkey of AH. A greeting, mr Dora dweeb.