La-7.....frusteration.....rising.....

[humble]

I've gotten the Ki to vertical nose up at zero MPH....I cant to it in any other plane....even 38.

[BUG_EAF322]

outurned la7's many times in my p38

turning ability seem to suk that's mine point of view (within the p38)

anyway i think their microscopic size is the biggest problem.

i miss them very much after i turn on it's tail

just make em bigger

[DoctorYO]

Humble let me clarify the outturning the spit 9,  In a sense you are correct the spit9's sustained turn is slightly better than the la7..  But when i'm explaining outturning the spit in the above post im using out-radii as like a given in geometry..(including in the verticle; yoyo's immel's lag induced barrels etc..)  the spitfire is a excellent aircraft at e retention..  the la7 when powered down is a excellent aircraft at blowing energy..  when combined a competent la7 will chop throttle and out radii a spit even if the spitfire chops his throttle also....  then the spit will maintain better lowspeed turn than the la7...

that window of say being out radii'ed to the point of outturning the la7 through sustained turn is larger than most think.. (5-10 secs on average..)

say you blow it..(as the la7) blow the shot.. then you just exit creating the largest amount of degrees of angle the opponent must pull to get his nose on you...  this should be a lazy manuever to prohibit e loss during the la7's acceleration period..  using the above tactics there is little to no skill involved and little to nothing the spitfire can do to counter the superiority of the la7..

Turn rates while important imo are not as important as acceleration and ebleed attributes.. especially when combined on the same aircraft.. (tiffies/temp..{bleed/accel}  p38s {bleed} la7's g10 etc.. get the picture..)

Some claim that the yak is great at fighting the la7, well guess what i agree.. the yak has one the best e bleed attributes in the game and then can re-accelerate out of it.. hence making it a stalemate for the la7 (insert whatever aircraft.. exception maybe tiffie/tempest which own the ebleed acceleration system.) in the short term..  (acceleration and firepower still go to the la7..)

This is also true with the p38... the p38 most of the time out radii's its enemies as opposed to out turning them..  Except during highspeed the p38 is the radii master..  pop flaps for desired circle size.. very nice..

Some claim pilot and the not the plane but imo the ratio is like 30% pilot 70% plane....



DoctorYo

[humble]

YO....

The better the pilot the more he'll get out of a given ride....at some point plane capability is the limiting factor so it's obviously a variable scale. This goes back to the "use the right tool for the job" theory of air combat. Basically your just using a hammer to pound nails...the other guy can only win if he gets you to hit your thumb instead:D ...

Now when your facing a master carpenter he's seen most of the tricks and his thumb has the flat spots to show it....

I dont have a clue where on the scale Karnak sits, so I dont know what his thumb looks like. I know yours looks like a waffle:)....

[Karnak]

Originally posted by humble
I dont have a clue where on the scale Karnak sits, so I dont know what his thumb looks like. I know yours looks like a waffle:)....

Apparently a lot worse off for the absence.

I was never the top dog, but I was good enough to manage a 31 kill streak in the Mosquito before colliding with a Spitfire that was supposed to be #32.

It is entirely possible that my break coupled with the Ki-84's inferior performance is what is causing me so much trouble.

I got used to an aircraft that didn't have any high speed handling issues and moved to one that has massive high speed handling issues.

[humble]

Karnak...

What confuses me is the mossie....basically its semi useless. I couldnt do any of the stuff I do in a mossie....simply not capable of it. It doesnt handle as well, roll as well and doesnt have the vis to maintain views. Flying a mossie bout like dogfighting an A-20 to me....110 much better to me. Doesnt mean you cant win in it but you need a much more favorable enviornment. I cant recall ever being reversed in a mossie...now I've been shot to tooth picks by em...and a mossie with alt & E on you is a tough nut to crack but thats different.

To me the mossie is a pure E fighter, so you cant have done what I did since those are all neg E encounters (cept the lala clips) maybe the pony vs yak also....

It might be the same BFM....but somehow the setting/intent has to be different...you cant rev on a nikki or la-7 like that on the deck and come out ahead (at least I dont think you can).

I'd love to see a few clips if you've got em....

I cant think of two more different planes than mossie and Ki-84 (as fighters)....totally different styles...like karate and Akido (sp?)

[Karnak]

I'll definately give you that.  Reversing on somebody in the Mossie is dang hard.  I've done it, but you REALLY have to fly it to the edge.  I've beaten La-7s and P-51Ds that had the E on me, I've even managed to out turn an La-7 in it.

It's a better fighter than the Bf110G-2 due to it's better acceleration, speed and high speed handling.

However, if you really get in trouble it has no way of pulling you out unless you have room to dive and your oponent isn't faster than you.  Not a likely combination in AH2.

[humble]

I think you've evolved a style based on the mossie, you really should spend a tour in the P40-b or similiar plane to put your system in balance ... not joking.

Out of curiosity I pulled up the lala stats....

14-16 vs the Ki-61:aok
1-5 vs the P40-b
13-15 vs the P40-e
150-139 vs the tiffie
59-62 vs 190-A5
39-51 vs F4U-1
1-6 vs C202:aok
18-21 vs 109-G2

Basically these are all primarily "uber pilot" rides....the plane might not beperked but the pilot should be (least some of em).

So while the lala can dominate the better planes it isnt gonna scramble to many eggs amongst the better pilots...

[AKFokerFoder+]

What, no A8??? I am heartbroken

The LA7 is 88-66 so far this tour against the 190A8.

It was 516 to 461 last tour.

Based on that performance you gave, we should consider perking the C202, F4u-1 and 190A5 when we perk the LA7

[DarkglamJG52]

,

Originally posted by Zanth
I was bored - This is how it comes out of translator (http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com)

Is so bad the Ki 84 how paint it this way? Reason why I read, is inferio to Niki. And in principle I waited for basically faster Niki. I have a GREAT GREAT BIG BIG GREAT GREAT monkey of AH. A greeting, mr Dora dweeb.

Translations of spanish slang to english or english slang to spanish are  too funny.

Damned context. "Mono" is like "go cold turkey" this time.  I am going cold turkey, because now I can't play AH.  Be an (alt) monkey of AH is an other think.

Next year I learn english.

 

[humble]

Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
What, no A8??? I am heartbroken

The LA7 is 88-66 so far this tour against the 190A8.

It was 516 to 461 last tour.

Based on that performance you gave, we should consider perking the C202, F4u-1 and 190A5 when we perk the LA7

hehe....

Didnt mean to leave ya out buddy.....I really dont know if the A8 is a plane preferred by "uber sticks" (cept you of course)...used alot as a buff hunter etc. Left the G-10 and D-9 out as well....really was sticking to the 42-43 "mid war rides" (yes I know the Ki is a 44 ride)....

[thrila]

I think you guys are writing off the mossie too easily.   I found that the best way to be successful in a mossie is to be aggressive.  It turns well, but only for the 1st couple.   Against a n1k or spit i can usualy get off a snap shot straight after the merge- which is all the mossie needs.   It also turns well enough to follow a con in lag pursuit and wait for him straighten out/reverse.  It's massive E bleed is also useful for forcing cons to overshoot.  The la7 is without a doubt the toughest con to fight against in a mossie though.

I do love the mossie.

[AKFokerFoder+]

Those of you systematically posting "killing La7s with plane X is easy" think about how easy would be to kill plane X with La7. And about the funny stats, stop vulching La7s and lets see what kind or ratio the La7 would have. As far as I remember, La7s and spits were the very most vulched rides.

I hope you don't include me as saying  the  LA7 is easy to kill in a 1 on 1 fight with a 190A8.

But when in the MA do you get 1 on 1 fights?  Very rarely for me anyways.  The MA is a bar room brawl, not a duel of gentlemen at dawn.  

The MA requires management of a high energy state at almost all times if you want to fly home rather than walk home with your nuts in a paper bag.

The LA7 (like any plane) can be attacked successfully in a non-vulching situation.  Stay high, stay fast, don't turn, and disengage if you are losing your high e state.

Translation:

Stay High = alt monkey

Stay fast = cherry picker

Don't turn = hell it's a 190, they don't turn

Disengage = Run-90 dweeb

That's how I fight anyways

[MANDO]

Originally posted by DarkglamJG52
Hola Mandoble.
¿Es tan malo el Ki 84 cómo lo pintan por aquí?
Por lo que leo, es inferio al Niki. Y en principio yo esperaba básicamente un niki más rápido.
Tengo un GRAN GRAN BIG BIG GRAN GRAN mono de AH.
Un saludo, mr Dora dweeb.

Hola Dark,
ni idea a tu pregunta, hace casi dos meses que no vuelo, y no tengo ningún mono

Saludos.

[MANDO]

AKFokerFoder, if you use the same techniques while flying La7 you will, more than problably, have far better results that with any 190, or almost any other ride.