Author Topic: Anyone following the Walmart Unionization in Canada? (Read 4182 times)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #165 on:** February 11, 2005, 08:30:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
It's not literally true naturally (it's not communism even though even there it wasn't true).

But the differences between income are probably one of the lowest in the world and there aren't beggars on the streets. 80% of the population enjoys more or less middle class life. Then there are extremes but nothing like in the US. At least not that I know of.

I saw a study somewhere, can't remember where anymore.

The Scandanavian system is very easy to do, just implement an extremely steep tax system...

TweetyBird · « **Reply #166 on:** February 11, 2005, 09:35:45 PM »

PBS ran a Frontline program on the China/WalMart connection a few months back. It should be released on dvd and promoted as much a f911. After viewing this it should be no wonder why WalMart is so cozy with the Chinese and doesn't value unions. Peasant labor is the grease in their machine. Course they have to go to countries who don't value human life or rights for that peasant labor.

Edit: ok - thats the link to the program. I love the link that includes "China, the worlds new workshop"

It should include "China, the world new SWEAT shop" and WalMart should be proud of their position as massa overseer.

lazs2 · « **Reply #167 on:** February 12, 2005, 10:09:23 AM »

yeah tweety... like any boring and slanted PBS ( read..can't make it on their own)... Like any of their programs are gonna make it to DVD and anyone will ever watch it..

I will admit that 9/11 movie and PBS programs are about equal in unslanted honest reporting tho.

lazs

Suave · « **Reply #168 on:** February 12, 2005, 10:34:04 AM »

"boring and slanted"

Lazs doesn't know what he's talking about here. If he did he'd realize how far his foot is in his mouth after comparing frontline to micheal moore. Or maybe he does and he's just trolling.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #169 on:** February 12, 2005, 10:50:18 AM »

Yea we get it - PBS is a communist plot.

If it doesn't come the the John Birch Society, its propaganda.

The scary part is he's armed...

BTW laz, if PBS DID make it on its own, it wouldn't be PBS. It would be another History, Discovery, Food, or A&E channel. Its PBS because its supported in part by viewer donations. Just thought I'd bring you up to speed on the concept of PUBLIC television.

Toad · « **Reply #170 on:** February 12, 2005, 11:24:47 AM »

Yeah, WalMart is an entry level job. Most highly motivated, able-bodied, mentally active people would move on.

That doesn't excuse them from paying wages that don't allow a non-motivated or somewhat disabled person to shelter, feed and clothe himself.

You take a man's time... or buy it... you buy the only real thing he has of value. It's his LIFE.

And you tell him 28 hours a week is "full time"? That $15K is enough to feed/shelter/clothe himself and is what his lifetime is worth?

This from a company that made $7 billion dollars.

NUKE · « **Reply #171 on:** February 12, 2005, 11:45:24 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Yeah, WalMart is an entry level job. Most highly motivated, able-bodied, mentally active people would move on.

That doesn't excuse them from paying wages that don't allow a non-motivated or somewhat disabled person to shelter, feed and clothe himself.

Why not Toad? They offer a job at a certain pay and that's the offer.....nobody is forced into the job. In fact, they offer jobs that probably wouldn't exist without them.

What kind of pay does a store greeter or shelf stock person expect to make at any place, Walmart or not?

Ripper29 · « **Reply #172 on:** February 12, 2005, 11:48:00 AM »

Well..it appears that none of the employees at this store benefited from the recent attempt to unionize...

http://news.corporate.findlaw.com/ap_stories/f/1310/2-10-2005/20050210053002_31.html

Suave · « **Reply #173 on:** February 12, 2005, 11:56:19 AM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
nobody is forced into the job.

That's true, nobody is forced to work, they can allways starve and rely on the government to feed their children. Oh wait, the government would be doing that anyway if he took a job at walmart.

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What kind of pay does a store greeter or shelf stock person expect to make at any place, Walmart or not?

A lot less than the job he used to work at before the factory was closed down because walmart boycotted it's products in favor of chinese slave labor.

NUKE · « **Reply #174 on:** February 12, 2005, 12:01:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Suave
That's true, nobody is forced to work, they can allways starve and rely on the government to feed their children. Oh wait, the government would be doing that anyway if he took a job at walmart.

A lot less than the job he used to work at before the factory was closed down because walmart boycotted it's products in favor of chinese slave labor.

So, why just Walmart?

Why not raise federal minimum wage to 40K a year?

Toad · « **Reply #175 on:** February 12, 2005, 12:02:09 PM »

The fact that they can get away with it doesn't mean it's right.

You never did anwer the question of why you enjoy subsidizing WalMart's employee expenses.

Did you read the article, Nuke? WalMart pays them so little they qualify for lots of very expensive social welfare benefits.

YOU, the taxpayer, are paying for those benefits. Because WalMart won't pay them a living wage, NUKE gets to throw some of his cash into their pocket.

Do you enjoy being played for a sucker by the largest employer in the US?

Why do they "give" their store greeters only 28 hours a week and call that "full time" Nuke?

You are aware of labor laws, hours and pay, right? The difference between "full time" and "part time" obligations for an employer?

Suave · « **Reply #176 on:** February 12, 2005, 12:17:53 PM »

My main beef with walmart is that they're destroying the american economy.

They're so gigantic that if they decide to stop selling a companies products that company goes under.

So what happens is this, walmart tells rubermaid that they will sell their products to walmart at the price walmart wants to pay, or they will die. Rubermaid can't possibly produce their products for the price that walmart is willing to pay. Rubermaid collapses and closes down it's factories, tens of thousands of americans loose their jobs. Good family sustaining jobs with benefits.

Chinese buisiness come over and buy the manufacturing equipment right out of the abandoned factories and take it back to china to start producing products for walmart.

Walmart makes more money than bill gates, yet pays it's employees ****. Most of whom live in towns where walmart is the only game in town.

Toad · « **Reply #177 on:** February 12, 2005, 12:26:03 PM »

I know of folks that have dealt with WalMart and ruined their lives. I think you can find some of the stories on the net.

People sell an item to Walmart, Walmart agrees to carry it. Walmart asks them to ramp up production. The business owners are smiling. They expand, go into debt to buy new equipment. When they've swallowed the hook, Bentonville starts slowly cutting the price they will pay for the item. At about the three year point, if the item is a perennial best seller, Bentonville sets up their own factory in a 3rd world country and cancesl the contract with the US manufacturer.

The business owner now has a big factory, a huge debt and no customer.

Gotta love 'em. Nuke's heroes.

Airhead · « **Reply #178 on:** February 12, 2005, 01:14:00 PM »

I hate NUKE.

oboe · « **Reply #179 on:** February 12, 2005, 02:09:53 PM »

A bunch of large consumer product companies should form a supplier coalition, and *cut out* Walmart from handling their products.

Walmart deserves PNG status in America for its behavior.