Question to Finns

[Raven_2]

>>Raven if you read REALLY CAREFULLY You can see Fishu is not a pole.

Uhm. Sorry. But it has no difference. This don`t change facts of occupation by poles.

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Raven_2
>>Raven if you read REALLY CAREFULLY You can see Fishu is not a pole.

Uhm. Sorry. But it has no difference. This don`t change facts of occupation by poles.

So that gave russians the right to "liberate" whole of poland for half a century.
Not to forget the Ribbentrop pact with germans.
Poor poles actually had thoughts the russian troops came to help against the german invasion.

[Raven_2]

to Staga

>>Haven't seen any Chinese in here and USofA is at least trying to do some right things.

Like dump oil from Iraq and then throw it away? Or like bombing serbs by cassete bombs?

>>What Russia did was just occupation, they moved half of the original citizens to Sibir and filled empty houses with Russian "settlers".

Facts, please? You reject Boroda words about finish nazi camps, but want me to accept your words as a dogma?

>>Funny thing is that You won the war but you did lose the peace;

We fight not for won. We fight for our own lives. Yes, we don`t win peace. Only our right to exist. Where all europian counties (except England, but England occupation afterr USSR loose was just a matter of time) prefer bind to their knees and become german slaves.

>>Your country is suffering in the hands of criminals and the standard of living is lower than in any of the countries Russia occupied after WW2 and which regained their sovereign in 90s.

Yes, you right. Autorcia and competition with all other world it`s not an easy thing, even for our country. We do this for 70 years. Yeah, it was stupid, but I don`t think that any other country can do this at all. Yes, planned economy and perestroika destroyed our econmics. Now situation changes. For me ressurection of Russia it`s just a matter of time. But i don`t want to forget our history and values to that time...

to Fishu

>>But I don't blame americans for the afganistan war, which has something to do with the terrorist training camps there and the Taliban government, which acted like bunch of idiots.

Yeah. Siria and Iran would be next. Anti-terrorism is a key to all doors...

USA blame Russia for anti-terrorist campaighn in Chechnya. We blame USA for Afganistan and others.

>>You know, Finland, the country which Stalin wanted to liberate before "the great patriotic war"?

Also it`s a country that attack Russia shoulder-to-shoulder with nazi in 41 and try to occupy Carelia, yes? Main aim of war with Finland was to escape such scenerio (nazi attack on St. Peterburg from finish territory). Preventive strike on fashist ally, no more, no less.

[Raven_2]

to Fishu

>>So that gave russians the right to "liberate" whole of poland for half a century.

I don`t see you point. Yes, USSR had no right to occupate Polsha. And German had no right to do so. And Japan had no right to occupy Mongolia. All wars are illegal. It`s a geopolitics. USA can occupy Iraq - and it do so. USSR occupy Polsha just because it can do so. No other reasons. It`s a main principle of politic of every country. You can - you do.

>>Not to forget the Ribbentrop pact with germans.

So what? Do you think that there was no anti-USSR plans in Europe/USA? Diplomacy is a dirty work.


>>Poor poles actually had thoughts the russian troops came to help against the german invasion.

Poor babies... Maybe they prefer faschist occupations more then USSR?

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Raven_2
>>You know, Finland, the country which Stalin wanted to liberate before "the great patriotic war"?

Also it`s a country that attack Russia shoulder-to-shoulder with nazi in 41 and try to occupy Carelia, yes? Main aim of war with Finland was to escape such scenerio (nazi attack on St. Peterburg from finish territory). Preventive strike on fashist ally, no more, no less.

Try to occupy carelia? Do you remember it was originally part of Finland. How is it possible to occupy own land in the way you're suggesting?
I don't either remember Finland being germans ally in winter war, in fact, Finland was covered in the ribbentrop pact as USSR's area.
Even in the continuation war the finnish troops barely moved over the pre-winter war borders, even when told by Hitler.

The evil finnish occupying forces...

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Nice how you talk about countries that you occupied and practically enslaved for decades.

Very telling.

1) You mean that Estonia ever was an independant country before 1918? Sorry. Estonians were poor pagans hunted by Teuton Order "crusaders". It was Western influence. They were a part of Russia for centuries, and didn't complain. Nobles from Baltic countries were a significant part of Russian aristocracy.

2) Who enslaved who?... Russians have built everything they own now, except for the things built by Germans. Do you know about Latvian Infantry? Their hands were in blood over their elbows after 1917.

3) They are insects. They are no more then a land for NATO bases aimed against Leningrad, other North-Western Russia and Belorussia. I don't want people praising nazi hangmen (BTW Baltic SS troops were used as chasteners because of their animal hatered towards Slavs and Jews) to be here on Victory Day. They were a privileged members of the Union, now they are NATO prostitutes, who made everything so they will be wiped out in case of NATO aggression against Russian Federation. Arrogant nothings.

NATO artillery can shell Leningrad from Estonian border at Narva. "This side of the street is most dangerous during artillery bombardment" again?! No way.

Ask your Estonian friends about what happened to Russian White Guards who fought bolsheviks and made Estonia independant in 1918. Ask him about the fate of Krasnaya Gorka fortress. Also you can send him money so he'll bring flowers to Estonian SS monument.

For you SS is just two letters. Slavs and Jews know a little more.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Fishu
Try to occupy carelia? Do you remember it was originally part of Finland. How is it possible to occupy own land in the way you're suggesting?
I don't either remember Finland being germans ally in winter war, in fact, Finland was covered in the ribbentrop pact as USSR's area.
Even in the continuation war the finnish troops barely moved over the pre-winter war borders, even when told by Hitler.

The evil finnish occupying forces...

Ebony Mother!

Perozavodsk a part of Finland!? Go buy a map if you can afford it!

"Finland was covered in the ribbentrop pact as USSR's area" - what?! AFAIR Finland isn't even mentioned in fake "secret protocols".

About so-called "continuation war" - Finns simply were unable to cross the fortifired line on the old border. In Karelia they moved all the way until they met Soviet resistance.

Finnish occupational forces performed genocide against non-Finnish/Saam population in Karelia and copied nazi "national policy" in Nort-Western Russia.

Maybe it was you who wrote this hallucinations: http://www.prokarelia.net/en/?x=article&article_id=495&author=10  ???

"In a news flash today, on 9 June 2004, 60 years from the last Soviet attack on Finland"

Unfreakinbelievable! "Last Soviet attack"! Taking back Russian lands that have been ours for centuries was an "attack"!

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Raven_2
[to Boroda]
Борода, ты можешь перевести, что произнесла их чудесный и замечательный демократический президент о советских ветеранах?
[/to Boroda]

Это канадская латышка бредила про воблу с водкой и частушками, к сожалению - перевести не могу, будет потерян некий аромат говнеца... Она, кстати, таки явится на День Победы, видно обосралась что наши могут и сами в гости приехать, на традиционных средстваж передвижения, принятых у русских для зарубежных поездок

А эстоонский преиздеент вот тут выступил в полный рост: http://echo.msk.ru/interview/35023/ Венедиктов аж охуел когда этот пиздёныш (сорри, Пиздёныш, всёж-таки президент суверенного государства ) заявил что будет говорить по-эстооонски...

Прости, а ты кто? Я тебя знаю?

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Fishu
You know, Finland, the country which Stalin wanted to liberate before "the great patriotic war"?

1) Great Patriotic war, it's spelled this way.

2) Usually Stalin got what he planned. Again: there was no intention to occupy the whole Finland, otherwise it could be done before the end of March, 1940.

[Staga]

Fishu they wanted to occupy just half of the Finland and "liberate" other half.

They were such nice folks back then

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Staga
Fishu they wanted to occupy just half of the Finland and "liberate" other half.

They were such nice folks back then

First of all - USSR wanted to trade Karelian Isthmus for four times more land in Karelia, plus a significant sum of money. Bloody commies always want everything for free, don't we?

Second, again: in March 1940 nothing could stop Red Army from occupying the whole Finland. It's a fact. Stalin just got what he needed.

[Siaf__csf]

Boroda you're really beyond repair. I could not believe anyone could be so dumb and brainwashed untill I saw this.
 If you deny that people were living in USSR below poverty level you're in total denial and in some sort of delirious state of mind.

Back then people had plenty of money - just the problem was that the shops were empty of items. You could not buy anything with it. Boroda, why are the roads so bad in russia? If you are so wealthy, why not just fix them?

Why are the appartment buildings in the cities in near collapse state, broken doors and windows, UNBELIEVABLE filth all over, abandoned broken cars lying in the parking lots..

Why could you get a woman, a bag full of russian items and alcohol as much as you could drink with a piece of western clothing just 15 years ago? LOL!

I mean you could get laid easy just by promising the woman a pair of stockings.

Nooo.. nobody was poor. Just fine and dandy. Your lies make me sick Boroda. Really they make me physically sick. I've been there, I've seen it and you DARE to deny everything. You're totally insane.

[Siaf__csf]

Boroda if I may ask what was the reason why Finland didn't become a part of USSR like every other country that you attacked, did?

Why the exception?

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Boroda
Finnish occupational forces performed genocide against non-Finnish/Saam population in Karelia and copied nazi "national policy" in Nort-Western Russia.

By moving potential risk of desants away from the frontline? The same thing which was also done by russians?
I don't recall any wide scale german SS kind of attrocities by finns, where people are gathered in front of prepared mass graves and executed on the spot, nor people gathered into execution camps where they're gassed, shot, burned alive, beaten to death... all on purpose to get rid of certain type of people. Thats genocide.

Should each family been given a new house somewhere else and provide them with the same luxury they had before the war?
Or perhaps leave them there and risk the possibility of desants?
Let alone having civilians in the war zone.

Then again, why the supposed genocide all the sudden happened after russians had attacked, but prior to the war everyone was living normally?
In germany there was wide scale anti-jewish propaganda and persecution prior to the genocide.
Genocides doesn't simply happen all the sudden.

What about the evacuated carelians? They didn't exactly have nice times either, with all their property lost and had only as much stuff as they were able to carry.
People just doesn't evacuate their homes in masses, if there isn't a significant threat. Apparently they chose not to be liberated by the SU. Tells alot.

[Toad]

Yeah, you Finns were the truly EVIL ones. Your demonic drive towards world hegemony was thankfully stopped by the valiant Stalinst volunteers defending their homeland. And they only had butterknives.



This is funny on two levels. First, it again shows Boroda occupies an entirely different reality but occasionally visits when the time-space continuum warps the worm holes.

Secondly, you Finns are getting to feel the same feeling we feel when some of you come up with some totally off the wall, incredibly unbelievable statements about the Evil Amreekans.



This turned out to be a GREAT thread.