Originally posted by Raven_2
to Toad
"international embargo imposed following the invasion of Kuwait". If there was no USA-Iraq conflict than all of this people stay lived. Read more carefully.
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You need comprehension. It wasn't the US that threw Saddam out of Kuwait. It was just about the entire civilized WORLD. Which is probably why the Russians weren't there.
Review the list of nations that had forces involved in Gulf War 1:
Kuwait and United Nations (United States, Saudi Arabia, Great Britain, France, The Netherlands, Egypt, Syria, Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, United Arab Emirates, Israel (suffered attacks), Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Canada, Belgium, Czechoslovakia, Germany, Honduras, Italy, Niger, Romania, South Korea
Savenkov said only that thet were not genocide if you read carefully. Numbers are from journalists head. History books (and NKVD archives) contain number 4.500.
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Yeah, he said it wasn't "genocide". It was, however, murder. What else can you call shooting bound POW's in the head with a Makarov?
Russia says WW2 executions of Poles not genocide Soviet propagandists blamed the killings on the Germans, however, and only in 1990 did President Mikhail Gorbachev admit that the Soviet NKVD secret police had been responsible.
Russian investigations into the case dragged on for over a decade, ending inconclusively last year. Savenkov put the final Katyn death toll at 14,540.
Poland has decided to open its own probe, but says it has been hampered by delays in handing over case documents, two-thirds of which Russia has refused to declassify.
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Look, Savenkov admits to the murder of 14,540; the Poles... with documentation of those who were taken by the NKVD and never seen again.. put it at 24,000+. Russian
refuses to hand over 2/3 of the records. Got something to hide, maybe? It's probably worse than the Poles think.
You'd be alot better off if you'd just admit the NKVD murdered the Poles instead of the continual denial of the obvious.
Yeah. Sorry. I mean USA territory, not country. So there wasn`t USA who killed the indians. It was other civilized people from Europe.
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Here's another simple fact for you to chew on. Since 1776, the US government and it's policies are responsible for some deaths of Native Americans. There were far less than 2 million Native Americans in what is now the entire territorial US at that time.
Compared to deaths caused in the Ukraine by Stalin and his policies, Native American deaths would be in the single digit percentage range.
Sure, there is no medics in reservation... It`s like don`t give them food and than say "They die from starving, not by our hands".
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LOL. Keep showing your ignorance of US history.
MOST of the Native Americans that died of disease died long before the US even instituted reservations. They died while they were still free people.
The Mandan prospered and grew powerful up to 1772. Their remaining history is summed up in their own tradition as related to Lewis and Clark and Maximilian. Formerly they lived happily and prosperously in nine large villages on the Missouri near the mouth of the Heart River. Six or seven of these villages were on the west side and two or three were on the east side of the river.
For a great many years they lived there when one day the smallpox came to those on the east side of the river. The survivors then proceeded up the river some forty miles where they settled in one large village. After the smallpox reduced the villages on the west to five, the five went up to where the others were, in the neighborhood of some Arikara, and settle in two villages.
A great many Mandan had died and they were no longer strong and fearless. They made an alliance with the Arikara against the Sioux. All this happened before 1796 and is chronicled in Henry and Schoolcraft. Lewis and Clark found the two villages one on each side and about fifteen miles below the Knife River. Both villages consisted of forty to fifty lodges and united could raise about three hundred and fifty men.
You see, smallpox came to the Mandan long before their territory was part of the US, before Lewis and Clark even explored the Missouri.
You just don't have a clue.
Sure, I accept. 4.500, not 24000, PoWs were murdered in Katyn by NKVD. But YOU still refuse even > 300.000 sensless deaths in Hirosima, not to mention millions of deths in Korea and Vietnam.
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Not all the POW's were murdered at Katyn. 24,000+ corpses in one place would be a problem even for the NKVD.
7 April 2000
Russian President-elect Vladimir Putin telephoned President Kwaњniewski mid-week to inform him of the discovery of a mass grave thought to contain the bodies of Poles murdered by Soviet forces during the Second World War. Putin invited Polish authorities and other interested parties to participate in an investigation into this recent discovery, but no other details (or numbers) were released. The grave was found near Smolensk, close to Katyn, where some 4000 Polish officers lay.
Between 15,000 and 21,000 were executed in April and May of 1940, following the Soviet invasion, but most of the bodies have never been recovered. The Katyn massacre, as the event is known, has long served as a symbol of Soviet crimes against Poland.
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Hiroshima and Nagsaki were WARTIME acts against an enemy that had not surrendered. Pretty hard to compare to murder of bound POW's by the NKVD.
Further, did you read about the attempt to stop Hirohito from surrendiering by elements of the Japanese army? Did you educate yourself yet? They WERE NOT going to surrender unless invaded...until they atom bombs were dropped... and the Army plotted to continue fighting even then.
Educate yourself man!
Korea: You claim US "aggression". You again show your ignorance. What client state of the Soviet Union invaded South Korea on June 25, 1950 ? This invasion was condemned by the UN and UN forces resisted it, not just the US.
List of UN forces:
Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the United Kingdom comprised the British Commonwealth Forces. Belgium, Luxembourg, Colombia, Ethiopia, France, Greece, the Netherlands, the Philippines and Thailand had battalion-sized units attached to U.S. Army divisions; Turkey deployed an infantry brigade.
Which side did the Soviet Union fight on? Who invaded? Who were the aggressors?
See... this stuff, where you pretend the SOVIETS weren't supporting the actual aggressors, where you blame the other side for "aggression" in the face of clearly documented historical fact makes you guys look really stupid and very funny.
Lie to yourself all you like; don't expect the rest of the world to believe the lies though.
My Lai (My Lie :-)) - 300 deaths. There were > 2.000.000 civilians killed in Vietnam cause of USA agression. You accept THIS?
USA aggression? Did the USA invade North Vietnam? Or did NVA troops invade South Vietnam? Which side did the Soviets support?
Oh, that's right.. the Soviets supported the invaders, the aggressors AGAIN.
As for civilian casualties, some sources give 2 million and others give far less, around 1 million. What NO source does is say the US is responsible for all civilian deaths. Your good friends the VC and NVA killed more civilians in the South than the US by a good margin.
