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Raven_2 · « **Reply #570 on:** March 22, 2005, 10:06:58 AM »

Arrrrghhh! Bik! WTF! This bastards from Warsava want to rename one of the crossroads to Dudaev`s square?! Dudadev - was one of the Czechnia terrorists leader. There were two variants: call square in the memory of Beslan`s kids and in the memory of Johar Dudaev. Victims and their murder. And your democratic peasant party choose Dudaev. What a bastards poles are... I have no words...

If someone give me the gun now I shot this freaks by myself :-{

News in russian: http://www.globalrus.ru/news/140524/

Boroda · « **Reply #571 on:** March 22, 2005, 10:18:31 AM »

Raven, look here please: http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=145301

Bikekilla already said he doesn't support what Polish authorities say about terrorists.

Someone is trying to make us hate each other, please, don't let them manipulate yourself.

straffo · « **Reply #572 on:** March 22, 2005, 10:32:03 AM »

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Arrrrghhh! Bik! WTF! This bastards from Warsava want to rename one of the crossroads to Dudaev`s square?! Dudadev - was one of the Czechnia terrorists leader. There were two variants: call square in the memory of Beslan`s kids and in the memory of Johar Dudaev. Victims and their murder. And your democratic peasant party choose Dudaev. What a bastards poles are... I have no words...

If someone give me the gun now I shot this freaks by myself :-{

News in russian: http://www.globalrus.ru/news/140524/

Add to this for some Frenchman like me , you are just paying your past and your present in Chechenia.
You can hate the frenh also now.

Unfortunatly it's not the head who are killed but more the average Joe (or Ivan in the case of russians).

Toad · « **Reply #573 on:** March 22, 2005, 10:56:47 AM »

Like I said Boroda... the nature of the Soviet government from the Revolution onwards is well known to the rest of the world.

Lie to yourself all you like but history remains unchanged by the fact that you lie to yourself.

......... and my pension comes from a nice little capitalistic company, not the government. Thanks for playing.

Boroda · « **Reply #574 on:** March 22, 2005, 11:29:43 AM »

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Like I said Boroda... the nature of the Soviet government from the Revolution onwards is well known to the rest of the world.

The nature of any government is known to any educated person who reads books, availible in any free country, and makes decisions based on facts and different opinions, not the only one official politically-correct version of everything.

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Lie to yourself all you like but history remains unchanged by the fact that you lie to yourself.

Yes. Histoty remains unchanged, regardless to the wishes of new world masters, rewriting it.

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......... and my pension comes from a nice little capitalistic company, not the government. Thanks for playing.

So, your government sent you to death missions, where you risked your life playing sitting duck for our air-defence, and now - it doesn't even provide pension?! Sorry, I never thought that it's like that in the US...

Boroda · « **Reply #575 on:** March 22, 2005, 11:41:19 AM »

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Add to this for some Frenchman like me , you are just paying your past and your present in Chechenia.
You can hate the frenh also now.

Unfortunatly it's not the head who are killed but more the average Joe (or Ivan in the case of russians).

Yes, we pay for letting prehistoric savages rape, murder and rob non-Chechen population since 1991. We also pay for Yeltsin's lame attempt to use Chechen gangs as a sword of Damocles over Caucasus.

Also we pay for irresponsible politics of European human-rights lunatics, for whom Russians or other Soviet people don't have any rights, but savages cutting heads and killing pregnant women only because they don't belong to "core nation" are Brave Fighters for Freedom with Evil Russian Bear.

Why not give "political asylum" to all Chechens and pay them EU welfare? They are so cute, with machineguns (their symbol of masculinity), beards and green bandanas!

Toad · « **Reply #576 on:** March 22, 2005, 11:47:30 AM »

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The nature of any government is known to any educated person who reads books, availible in any free country, and makes decisions based on facts and different opinions

Yeah, I agree. You do have a lot of catching up to do. Good luck!

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Yes. Histoty remains unchanged, regardless to the wishes of new world masters, rewriting it

Yep. It's not the "new world masters" that are trying to change it though. It's the old world tyrants, enslavers and barbarians that never learned it or admitted their deeds that are the problem.

"Death missions?" Hardly. Mostly just cruising 20 miles off the Soviet coastline plotting where you'd moved your air defense radars to since the last time we flew by. Best part was watching your PVO Strany pilots struggling to fly formation with an airliner with the autopilot on.

Getting shot by a missle never worried us. We knew you guys always used fighters to murder people on aircraft in International Airspace. The greatest danger from your fighters was from them being unable to fly formation.

I was never scared we'd be shot down but there were a lot of times I was scared some bozo with little flying experience or skill was going to run into us.

Only flew AF for 7 years; pensions come after 20.

straffo · « **Reply #577 on:** March 22, 2005, 12:11:36 PM »

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Yes, we pay for letting prehistoric savages rape, murder and rob non-Chechen population since 1991.

I don't (and you don't) believe it's so simple.

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We also pay for Yeltsin's lame attempt to use Chechen gangs as a sword of Damocles over Caucasus.

Look to be a better explanation to me.

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Also we pay for irresponsible politics of European human-rights lunatics, for whom Russians or other Soviet people don't have any rights, but savages cutting heads and killing pregnant women only because they don't belong to "core nation" are Brave Fighters for Freedom with Evil Russian Bear.

Propaganda, not all "human-rights lunatics" back the chechen blindly.
Some can be "human-rights lunatics" like and think lot of chechen leader are nothing but criminal.
But I think Putin is also a criminal because he kill Chechen but also because he kill Russian in a war which got no visible end.

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Why not give "political asylum" to all Chechens and pay them EU welfare? They are so cute, with machineguns (their symbol of masculinity), beards and green bandanas!

Grab a Ogórki* and a glass of Vodka it should be better for your health

* I don't remember the name of the russian version sorry.

Boroda · « **Reply #578 on:** March 22, 2005, 01:20:11 PM »

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I don't (and you don't) believe it's so simple.

Yes, it's more complicated. They did the same stuff for centuries. 200+ years of Russian experience show that they can be persuaded not to do so only by fire and sword.

Russian Empire put some attention on them only because they were pagan tribe robbing Russian caravans on the road to Georgia. They weren't even expected to pay taxes or have Russian authority (Imperial policy was to keep local governments)...

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Look to be a better explanation to me.

You see - I admit our fault.

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Propaganda, not all "human-rights lunatics" back the chechen blindly.
Some can be "human-rights lunatics" like and think lot of chechen leader are nothing but criminal.
But I think Putin is also a criminal because he kill Chechen but also because he kill Russian in a war which got no visible end.

True, propaganda

Sorry for exaggerating, but we here are quite angry at oligophrens like lord Judd, who always see Russian "crimes" and never see Chechen atrocities. For them Russians don't deserve human rights, and anyone fighting them is a hero. It's a sad pervertion in modern European moral (by saying "european" i include Rusian too).

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Grab a Ogórki* and a glass of Vodka it should be better for your health

Sorry, I drink beer now. Don't have any vodka here, only some good Armenian cognac

(sorry for this little provocation, it's not "cognac" but "êîíüÿê"

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* I don't remember the name of the russian version sorry.

If you mean salted (pickled) cucumbers - then I understood what you mean, they are good with vodka.

straffo · « **Reply #579 on:** March 22, 2005, 02:14:37 PM »

And yes I was thinking of salted cucumber ... I'm too used to the polish name

I never tasted Armenian cognac but I heard it's on par with the real

cognac .

lazs2 · « **Reply #580 on:** March 22, 2005, 02:42:19 PM »

ok... this isn't making any sense to me. "official" russian documents show that stalin only executed 3/4 of a million people but the entire rest of the world believes it to be between 10-20 million? could it bwe somewhere inbetween?

and... 1 million or one third of german POW's died undrer this gentle regiem? that much was admitted.... the world believes much more.

Now... the horrible American genocide of the indians... We were at war. we killed them and they killed us. They had no respect for civilians and indeed, targeted em as did we. If you read about those times you will find that in allmost every case it was the indians that broke the early treaties. And... we were playing by their rules.. their rules were... the strongest tribe gets the land.

as for riots... do you know how many people our government has killed in riots over the last half century? care to guess?

lazs

bikekil · « **Reply #581 on:** March 22, 2005, 02:46:21 PM »

the thing is much more complicated... there is a whole bunch of actions that caused a reactions (on both sides) Ukraine and Polish involvement there, Katyn, end of WW2 anniversary.. btw, does name Auganov (or Alganov.. sorry forgot the spelling) means something to you?

Anyway... a lot of things that here were caller a provocations happened and probably you could say that Poland did something you could easily call a provocation as well, like the Dudaev`s square. The idiot who came out with that idea should be... i don't know. Well i'm just ashamed you know. Actualy i do live in Warsaw and as i hear president of that city decided to give that name to one square... well... he's an idiot... he allways was, but he made his career on being anti-soviet guy and after '89 it was something that could give you that political top.
Thankfully it have nothing to do with our goverment or president or parlament... cities are independent in giving the names of the streets and so on... but still (apart from who is right and who is wrong about Czeczenia... we all should have the respect to the people murdered on both sides) the act was a rude provocation. i'm sorry for that as someone who lives in Warsaw

Nekto · « **Reply #582 on:** March 22, 2005, 03:04:02 PM »

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ok... this isn't making any sense to me. "official" russian documents show that stalin only executed 3/4 of a million people but the entire rest of the world believes it to be between 10-20 million? could it bwe somewhere inbetween?

Don't know what a world belief is. Look at the Western scholar research:
http://www.etext.org/Politics/Staljin/Staljin/articles/AHR/AHR.html

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and... 1 million or one third of german POW's died undrer this gentle regiem? that much was admitted.... the world believes much more.

A faceless world again...
According to recently declassified archives the Soviets had captured 4,377,300 Axis soldiers. 600,000 (non-German by nationality) were released immediately. 518,520 (of them 356,700 were Germans) died in captivity. The rest were returned home after years.
http://www.greenhillbooks.com/booksheets/soviet_casualties.htm (inspite the book title it's not only on Soviets casualties. At least in my Russian version)

lazs2 · « **Reply #583 on:** March 22, 2005, 03:09:29 PM »

well then that is different... if you only killed 518,000 pow's then you are indeed missunderstood heros.

I believe the only POW's in America that died did so from overeating.

lazs

Nekto · « **Reply #584 on:** March 22, 2005, 03:15:24 PM »

They were not kiled as you claim. Atfter the WW2 my grandfather served as a surgeon's assistant in a camp for German POWs. They did their best to save lives of former enemies.