Author Topic: Time to unperk the Spit 14 (Read 5284 times)

Karnak · « **Reply #135 on:** May 06, 2005, 10:43:39 AM »

Morpheus,

You never proved anything. You simply made trite claims like "Spit14 vs La-7: Spit14" and presented that as proff. To call that proof is ludicrious. That is a claim not supported by any data. It may, or may not, be true, but in and of itself it is just a claim.

In my esperience the Spit14 has the advantage if the La-7 stays to fight and doesn't kill the Spit14 at the start. The La-7 has the advantage at the beginning, but will lose it to the Spit14's superior handling if the La-7 cannot convert that advantage into a kill before the energy states reverse.

More of an issue is that the La-7 can disengage in all but the worst situations whereas the Spit14 can only disengage on very conditional situations that are not typical to the MA.

Your trite assesment of the Spit14's capability does not at all address the complexity the mix of strengths and weaknesses each fighter brings to the table.

Some weaknesses of the Spit14:

Fragile.
Short range.
Only middle of the pack speed. (At AH combat altitudes)
Poor high speed handling.
Poor low speed handling.
Light ammo load.
Kill me icon
Mediocre performance without WEP

Some strengths of the Spit14:

Excellent climb on WEP.
Can out turn anything it can't outrun. (Except maybe P-51s due to their flaps)
Great acceleration.
Good firepower.
Decent visibility.
Excellent high altitude performance. (Not that this matters in AH)

Angus · « **Reply #136 on:** May 06, 2005, 12:34:59 PM »

It climbs worse than the RL Spit AFAIK.
Too lazy to test right now, but should make 20K in 5 minutes with full tanks.
Our XIV climbs slower than our 109G2.....

Stang · « **Reply #137 on:** May 06, 2005, 12:38:24 PM »

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Originally posted by SirLoin
109G10 vs LA7 in DA..G10 wins everytime(or should)

You're on crack.

JB73 · « **Reply #138 on:** May 06, 2005, 01:01:41 PM »

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Originally posted by SirLoin
109G10 vs LA7 in DA..G10 wins everytime(or should)

i guess i suck, because i lose that fight every time

put me in the la7, and there is not a 109 i have fought i can't at least damage and make him try to run to friendlies, or outright kill

Urchin · « **Reply #139 on:** May 06, 2005, 01:49:35 PM »

Heh.. I'll chime in on the side of Karnak and Kweassa, I doubt you'd have as much luck impugning my argument based on some skill gap.

The Spit 14 is no better all-round than a 109G-10 or La-7, I can't see why it is perked as heavily as it is. The F4U-4 can be beaten by a well-flown G-10, and it has 6 .50s instead of 4 Hizookas, which makes it rather less overwhelming than a Tempest. And to be honest, both of us know (or at least I know, and you should know) that on a pure A2A basis the La7 is a better fighter than the Tempest is.

I can't see, and I believe this was the original argument, why the Spit 14 and F4U4 are perked as heavily as they are while their contemporaries (G-10, La-7, P-51) which are just as capable, are free.

I'm actually for an unperk everything kind of arena... leave the jets perked, let people fly anything else they want.

Morpheus · « **Reply #140 on:** May 06, 2005, 03:15:57 PM »

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that on a pure A2A basis the La7 is a better fighter than the Tempest is

It is time for your medication.

Urchin · « **Reply #141 on:** May 06, 2005, 05:29:14 PM »

Lol, it is time for you to pull your head out of your ass. Can you even fit through doors anymore?

I'm sure even with an ego as large as yours has gotten, you aren't going to come out and say you are better than Lev, so ask him to take you to the DA sometime and do La-7 vs Tempest.

I'll tell you when we did it... the La-7 won every time, no matter who was in it.

Now, Lev probably isn't the 1337-@c3, you are.... but it was convincing enough for me.

Kev367th · « **Reply #142 on:** May 06, 2005, 05:34:08 PM »

Guess when I posted this, expecting a civilised discussion was too much

Only comment I really have is that in the current MA it is no more of an uber killer than ANY of the top 3 or 4.

Perking it is just a way of for all intensent purposes of turning it into a hanger queen.

I really don't see why people should be so apprehensive or against unperking it and quite a few other planes. Unless of course your a Lala, Pony, D9 driver.
Guess it would kinda suck to have an RAF plane that could finally fight on = terms.

Urchin · « **Reply #143 on:** May 06, 2005, 05:40:34 PM »

No, I've never been big on civil, especially when people aren't civil to me.

By the way.. I think the phrase you were looking for was "intents and purposes".

Kev367th · « **Reply #144 on:** May 06, 2005, 05:42:37 PM »

Lol it was "intents and porpoises", couldn't remember it.

Wasn't specifcally aimed at you the (un-civility? started earlier), was just hoping for a civil discussion when I first posted.

Morpheus · « **Reply #145 on:** May 06, 2005, 05:45:37 PM »

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I'm sure even with an ego as large as yours has gotten, you aren't going to come out and say you are better than Lev, so ask him to take you to the DA sometime and do La-7 vs Tempest.

Who's saying they're better than anyone? I never make claims that I'm better than anyone unless they are forced upon me like they were in this thread.

Ofcourse I'm gonig to be sarcastic and say my skills are superior and that the average stick needs a perk plane to beat me. After I'm told that's the case. Its a joke if you ask me. And I still dont understand where Kewenesa was going with that. He's the first one to mention anything about my "skills". I simply followed him up with a smartass comment. Smartass remarks deserve nothing more.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone can be just as good as the next guy in this game. So that's as far as I'll go with that.

You come in with a blanket statement saying...

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that on a pure A2A basis the La7 is a better fighter than the Tempest is

and naturally I'm going to laugh at you.

And if you dont know why the Tempest is a far superior plane than the La7 is then you dont know half of what I thought you knew about this game.

Burn outs like you are far too easy to piss off. I dont know what it was about you. The suicide note you wrote on our squad forum or the fact that you b1tch and moan about every dam thing that happens to you in your life... But somewhere, in all that BS, you completely lost it.

jaxxo · « **Reply #146 on:** May 06, 2005, 06:02:12 PM »

did the spit v vs spit 9 thing...5 will lose with equal pilots. the 9 climbs better and can dictate the fight..just a matter of avoiding some spray on the rope. jmho

Urchin · « **Reply #147 on:** May 06, 2005, 06:36:32 PM »

**** off Morph... you let something go to your head. I'm not sure if it was your skank bellybutton girl, or your "1337 skillz"... but you aren't you once were.

By the way, assclown, you can't have it both ways...

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Why in the hell would I want to prove that I'm better than you?

Everyone already knows I am. Showing you would prove nothing to noone.

But when someone shows up who you KNOW you aren't better than.. it is backpedal city...

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Who's saying they're better than anyone? I never make claims that I'm better than anyone unless they are forced upon me like they were in this thread.

So what is it? You just going to say how awesome you are till everyone believes it?

But if you'd like to SEE that the La-7 is a better fighter than the Tempest, ask Lev to take you to the DA sometime. In spite of your huge ****ing mouth, apparently you've still got a lot to learn. As for me, I've got nothing to prove to anybody, including ****tards like you.

Morpheus · « **Reply #148 on:** May 06, 2005, 06:57:51 PM »

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**** off Morph... you let something go to your head. I'm not sure if it was your skank bellybutton girl, or your "1337 skillz"... but you aren't you once were.

Are you drunk?

I already know I'm better than you. And when my "skills" aren't enough to beat you its my better attitude that will every time.

We both know that... Its easily proven... I'm here playing and enjoying the game... And you are not.

You wanted to take it to a personal level. I followed you. I really didnt think you'd want to go there. After all I do know much more about you than you should have let me know. I guess you've forgotten the many occasions in the game and out of the game where I'd pat you on the back and tell you its going to get better and that you've got more to live for that you thought you had. The personal attacks on me or anyone in my life are a clear example of how desperate you've become.

For someone who hasnt a thing to prove you sure do let out alot of steam.

You take statements I've said, and pull them out of context in a poor attempt to prove that you're right. Its hard for anything you say to hold any water when you take what I say and clearly lie about its intent.

No ones back peddling here but you Urchin. You've flipped out and have gone bonkers on this board more times than I can count. Its your lack of sanity that blinds you from the truth... Or the way things really are.

You should really think harder next time before you open your mouth.

Urchin · « **Reply #149 on:** May 06, 2005, 07:00:50 PM »

No, I made a statement, one that is easily verified. You, seeing that you couldn't make attacks based on "skillz" decided to take to the personal level, not me.

Doesn't matter to me much one way or another, to be honest. If you want to be a sweetheart, feel free. Not like I'm going to meet your or your hook... I mean looker of a girlfrfiend anytime soon, unless I come up to NY with some extra spending money... who knows, I might get lucky and pick the "right" one.