Author Topic: Russian classrooms reverting to soviet version of history (Read 3793 times)

Despair · « **Reply #105 on:** June 06, 2005, 03:25:18 AM »

To sum up: USSR educational system was prolly the best in the world and it was free. If Russia reverts to USSR standards, I am all for this.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #106 on:** June 06, 2005, 03:32:51 AM »

To sum it up, the legacy of USSR time brainwashing still lives strong and reverting back to that will ensure that the russian population will live in thier distorted reality a few more generations.

I still can't figure out how they don't see the heinous mess thier country is today when they defend the past regimes.

genozaur · « **Reply #107 on:** June 06, 2005, 03:39:28 AM »

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Originally posted by Staga Hangtime I happen to know several Russians from years back and they are very reasonable and intelligent people. I just wish some of those would give another view to Russians in this board; seeing Boroda as a presentative of common Russian is like showing a pic of Michael Jackson and saying it...err.. he's an ordinary American.

I am a product of the Soviet higher education system (which was very good as proven by millions of Soviet immigrants). So I will allow myself to act like a well-trained ape, and assure you that Boroda is the 100% Russian commoner voicing the opinion of the masses. The problem is lodged between your lobes which were genetically disconnected from each other in order to keep you from non-belief in the writ word of Western propaganda.

genozaur · « **Reply #108 on:** June 06, 2005, 04:27:21 AM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf To sum it up, the legacy of USSR time brainwashing still lives strong and reverting back to that will ensure that the russian population will live in thier distorted reality a few more generations. I still can't figure out how they don't see the heinous mess thier country is today when they defend the past regimes.

How is it distorted ? Is it distorted because the Russians stick to the number of from two to four millions people killed on Stalin's orders instead of adopting the imbecile number of forty million as reported by an American daily ? Is it distorted because the Russian people are still proud that their fathers and grandfathers indeed liberated Western Ukraine and Western Belorussia without grabbing foreign lands ? Is it distorted because many Russians now (after the new facts have recently become known) tend to distrust the "Khrushchev file" on Katyn excecution of Polish military officers and combatants ? Is it distorted because some Russians know for sure that the doomed Korean airliner "KAL007" was a part of the US intelligence operation ? And the list keeps going on and on. And just for you I can add that defending true facts and defending the past regimes is not the same thing. And again I repeat that the vulgar perception of the notion of truth depends mostly on the Western culture of total dualistic thinking when there are no half-tones, and everything and everybody have to be either white or black.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #109 on:** June 06, 2005, 06:31:46 AM »

KAL was not the only civillian airliner the soviets shot down in history, don't stick to that.

You've been fed outright lies about most things that happened in your past, as have your fathers and grandfathers. I'm sure North Koreans believe thier country is paradise on earth and all outsiders just want to eat thier babies alive. So do thier fathers and grandfathers.

Why? Systematic lies and brainwashing.

Now, I can understand NK at its current position. But how come russians, who have been able to step out from that dump for years now, facing the completely different history writing of the entire planet (SU excluding naturally) can still continue trust the soviet sources.

They've been proven fabricated so many times and in so many different instances (even in common civil trade) that it's not even funny anymore.

Suave · « **Reply #110 on:** June 06, 2005, 07:03:50 AM »

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Originally posted by genozaur
I am a product of the Soviet higher education system

lazs2 · « **Reply #111 on:** June 06, 2005, 07:58:45 AM »

is the gray color white? no. Is the gray color black? no. is the gray color gray? yes. Does the gray color have white in it? yes.

yes or no works fine.

lazs

Suave · « **Reply #112 on:** June 06, 2005, 08:42:20 AM »

All shades of gray consist of a greater amount of either black or white.

And I will add, both black and white are shades of gray.

Truth is a binary thing, it's never maybe.

Estel · « **Reply #113 on:** June 06, 2005, 09:14:14 AM »

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Originally posted by genozaur
Boroda, Ivan Grozniy captured Novgorod by military force. Estimated number of Novgorod people KIA and executed is between five and fifteen thousand. No genocide here. Especially if you take into account that the survivors from Novgorod nobility were resettled on Moscovite lands.

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Estel · « **Reply #114 on:** June 06, 2005, 09:26:54 AM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
KAL was not the only civillian airliner the soviets shot down in history, don't stick to that.

Yes. There was another one. Wich was forced to land on ice. As you know (or don't know) crew and passengers were returned in few days.

Do we need to count, how many passenger jets was shoot down by "Empire of Goodness"? Or you can tell this without help from the international community?

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You've been fed outright lies about most things that happened in your past, as have your fathers and grandfathers. I'm sure North Koreans believe thier country is paradise on earth and all outsiders just want to eat thier babies alive. So do thier fathers and grandfathers.
Why? Systematic lies and brainwashing.

You really think? I can tell you - you are wrong. There wasn't lie, just some facts weren't published.

Can you count, how many times, your "truly" mass-media published lie wich was de-facto a fuse for reaction of all society?

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Now, I can understand NK at its current position. But how come russians, who have been able to step out from that dump for years now, facing the completely different history writing of the entire planet (SU excluding naturally) can still continue trust the soviet sources.

They've been proven fabricated so many times and in so many different instances (even in common civil trade) that it's not even funny anymore.

If you think, that USA is a country with predicted history, then you are just a little idiot.

Just wait a little time, untill your CIA and FBI archives will become open for public. You'll find very interesting things about KAL007 and Lebanon, about Pakistan and Bin Laden. And about yourself. But don't be surprised.

Suave · « **Reply #115 on:** June 06, 2005, 09:34:48 AM »

Rationalization upon rationalization; a complete suspension of logic. Religion fascinates me, a devotion beyond reason.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #116 on:** June 06, 2005, 09:51:32 AM »

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Yes. There was another one. Wich was forced to land on ice. As you know (or don't know) crew and passengers were returned in few days.

Like the swedish DC-3 on international airspace? Or the finnish DC-3 "Kaleva" en route from estonia to finland? Just a couple scandinavian examples.

And no survivors from those either.

No.. wait I get it. They're all spy planes full of civillians, sent there only to tarnish good soviet folks name. Right?

Please tell.

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And about yourself. But don't be surprised.

Huh I didn't know they keep track of all europeans too. I must start to watch my phonecalls apparently.

Estel · « **Reply #117 on:** June 06, 2005, 09:53:55 AM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Like the swedish DC-3 on international airspace? Or the finnish DC-3 "Kaleva" en route from estonia to finland? Just a couple scandinavian examples.

And no survivors from those either.

No.. wait I get it. They're all spy planes full of civillians, sent there only to tarnish good soviet folks name. Right?

Please tell.

Never heard about this. But I will check. And..... You didn't answer. How many planes were shoot down by "Empire of goodness"? Or you need help here?

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #118 on:** June 06, 2005, 09:59:36 AM »

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How many planes were shoot down by "Empire of goodness"? Or you need help here?

The US is not perfect by any means. Yes, they've shot down planes by accident also. Perhaps even on purpose, who knows.

I've visited soviet russia and ex-soviet russia so I have a pretty good view of the country.

Poor. Hostile. Corrupt. Polluted. Full or organized crime. A paradise huh?

If Stalin really saved your country, the saviour was for many, worse than death.

Estel · « **Reply #119 on:** June 06, 2005, 10:03:36 AM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Like the swedish DC-3 on international airspace? Or the finnish DC-3 "Kaleva" en route from estonia to finland? Just a couple scandinavian examples.

Ju-52 "Kaleva" (OH-ALL) shot down at June 14, 1940. Found at 2004. Also was found Swedish DC-3 reconnaissance aircraft, shot down in 1952 over the Baltic Sea.

Are you about that?

P.S. Finland didn't complain USSR in Kaleva's destruction. Never.