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Offline Despair

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« Reply #120 on: June 06, 2005, 11:02:42 AM »
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The US is not perfect by any means. Yes, they've shot down planes by accident also. Perhaps even on purpose, who knows.

I've visited soviet russia and ex-soviet russia so I have a pretty good view of the country.

Poor. Hostile. Corrupt. Polluted. Full or organized crime. A paradise huh?

If Stalin really saved your country, the saviour was for many, worse than death.


This guy is a perfect example of a poor, hostile, pulluted mind. He makes me smile sometimes tho, which is a good thing.

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« Reply #121 on: June 06, 2005, 11:15:30 AM »
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P.S. Finland didn't complain USSR in Kaleva's destruction. Never.


Maybe that had something to do with a lost war in between? Lol.

Nevertheless soviet fighters shot down a civillian aircraft once again on international airspace.

To Despair: If you're from russia, you picked a telling name for yourself. :)

I'm not quite sure if I regret visiting the country, afterall it was an experience to remember. Hardly fondly though. :D

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« Reply #122 on: June 06, 2005, 12:04:35 PM »
06/20/1940

LOCATION: Near Ouistreham, France

CARRIER: Air France FLIGHT:

AIRCRAFT: Dewoitine D-338

REGISTRY: F-ARTD S/N: 22

ABOARD: FATAL: GROUND:

DETAILS: Inadvertently shot down by French anti-aircraft fire.
02/15/1942

LOCATION: English Channel, near Plymouth, England

CARRIER: British Overseas Airways FLIGHT:

AIRCRAFT: Consolidated Liberator

REGISTRY: G-AGDR S/N: 9

ABOARD: 9 FATAL: 9 GROUND:

DETAILS: Shot down in error.

08/13/1942

LOCATION: Algiers, Algeria

CARRIER: Air France FLIGHT:

AIRCRAFT: Liore et Olivier H-246 Air Boat

REGISTRY: F-AREJ S/N: 403

ABOARD: FATAL: 4 GROUND:

DETAILS: Attacked by Royal Air Force fighters. Crashed in the

water while attempting to land.

 
12/15/1944

LOCATION: English Channel

CARRIER: Military FLIGHT:

AIRCRAFT: UC-64A Noorduyn Norseman

REGISTRY: 44-70285 S/N:

ABOARD: 2 FATAL: 2 GROUND:

DETAILS: Disappeared over the English Channel en route from

Bedford England to Paris, France. Band leader and musician Glenn

Miller, 40, killed. It has been theorized the plane may have been hit

by bombs being jettisoned over the English Channel by RAF

bombers on their way home from an unsuccessful raid.



07/30/1949

LOCATION: Chesterfield, New Jersey

CARRIER: Eastern Air Lines / USN FLIGHT:

AIRCRAFT: Douglas DC-3 / F-6F

REGISTRY: N19963/BU72887 S/N: 2260 / ?

ABOARD: 17 FATAL: 17 GROUND:

DETAILS: Midair collision with a US Navy F-6F. The F-6F was

buzzing a small private aircraft which was cruising below the DC-3.

The F-6F had pulled up into a climbing turn and collided with the

DC-3. Sixteen killed on the DC-3, one on the F-6F. Reckless

conduct of the Navy pilot in performing aerobatic maneuvers on a

civil airway.

 
11/01/1949

LOCATION: Arlington, Virginia

CARRIER: Eastern Air Lines / US Air Force FLIGHT: 537

AIRCRAFT: Douglas C-54B / USAF P-38

REGISTRY: N88727/NX26927 S/N: 18365 /

ABOARD: 56 FATAL: 55 GROUND:

DETAILS: Midair collision. The pilot of the P-38 survived and was

accused of causing the accident by executing a straight in approach

without proper clearance. He was later tried and cleared of the

charges. George Bates, U.S. Representative from Massachuttes and

Michael Kennedy, U.S. Representative from New York killed.

 
07/27/1953 12:30

LOCATION: Near Kanggye, North Korea

CARRIER: Aeroflot FLIGHT:

AIRCRAFT: Ilyushin IL-12

REGISTRY: S/N:

ABOARD: 21 FATAL: 21 GROUND:

DETAILS: Shot down by a U.S. Air Force F-86 jet fighter towards

the end of the Korean War. The Russian government claimed the

plane was over Chinese air space.



04/21/1958 08:30

LOCATION: Near Sloan, 10 miles SW of Las Vegas, Nevada

CARRIER: United Air Lines / U.S. Air Force FLIGHT: 736

AIRCRAFT: Douglas DC-7 / F-100F

REGISTRY: N6328C/56-3755 S/N: 45142 /

ABOARD: 47 FATAL: 47 GROUND:

DETAILS: The DC-7 was en route from Los Angeles to Denver

flying at 21,000 ft. The military jet was on a training mission being

conducted under VFR. The fighter initiated an evasive maneuver

just prior to colliding with the airliner. The F-100 pilot ejected

safely. All forty-seven aboard the DC-7 were killed. Inability of

both aircraft flying under VFR conditions to see and avoid each

other.

 
05/20/1958 11:29

LOCATION: Brunswick, Maryland

CARRIER: Capital Airlines / Air National Guard FLIGHT: 300

AIRCRAFT: Vickers Viscount 745D / T-33A

REGISTRY: N7410/53-5966 S/N: 108

ABOARD: 13 FATAL: 12 GROUND:

DETAILS: Midair collision at 8,000 ft. four miles ENE of

Brunswick. Failure of the T-33A pilot to exercise a proper see and

avoid procedure to avoid other traffic. One aboard the T-33 ejected

safely, all aboard the Viscount were killed.

 
02/25/1960 13:07

LOCATION: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

CARRIER: REAL / U.S. Navy FLIGHT:

AIRCRAFT: Douglas DC-3 / USN R-6D

REGISTRY: PP-AXD/131582 S/N: 13326 / 43685-307

ABOARD: 64 FATAL: 61 GROUND:

DETAILS: Midair collision between a DC-3 and a US Navy R-6D.

The pilot of the USN plane disobeyed instructions transmitted by Rio

Approach Control. The Navy disagreed and placed no blame on

either pilot.

09/20/1969 c 16:00

LOCATION: Near Hoi An, Vietnam

CARRIER: Air Vietnam (South Vietnam) FLIGHT:

AIRCRAFT: Douglas DC-4 / USAF F-4E

REGISTRY: XV-NUG S/N: 10860

ABOARD: 77 FATAL: 75 GROUND: 2

DETAILS: Midair collision. The F-4E landed safely. The DC-4

crashed killing all seventy-five aboard and two on the ground.

Misconstrued instruction on landing by the DC-4.

 
06/06/1971 18:11

LOCATION: Near Duarte, California

CARRIER: Hughes Airwest / US Marine Air Corps FLIGHT:

706

AIRCRAFT: Douglas DC-9-31 / F4-B

REGISTRY: N9345/151458 S/N: 47441 /

ABOARD: 51 FATAL: 50 GROUND:

DETAILS: The DC-9 was climbing to FL 330 under radar control of

the LA ARTCC and the F4-B was en route to El Toro under VFR.

Visibility was good with no clouds. The collision took place at

15,500 feet. One of two killed on the F4. Forty-nine killed aboard

the DC-9. Failure of both crews to see and avoid each other and an

inoperable transponder on the F4.

 
02/11/1972 13:20

LOCATION: Near Vientiane, Laos

CARRIER: Royal Air Lao FLIGHT:

AIRCRAFT: Douglas DC-4

REGISTRY: XW-TDE S/N: 43126

ABOARD: 23 FATAL: 23 GROUND:

DETAILS: Shot down while flying at 10,000 feet.

 

 
07/03/1988 10:55

LOCATION: Persian Gulf

CARRIER: Iran Air FLIGHT: 655

AIRCRAFT: Airbus A300B2-202

REGISTRY: EP-IBU S/N: 186

ABOARD: 290 FATAL: 290 GROUND:

DETAILS: Shot down by the U.S. Navy vessel U.S.S. Vincennes

with a surface-to-air missile.

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« Reply #123 on: June 06, 2005, 12:10:56 PM »
Not a propaganda. Just facts. Civilian planes shooted down or destructed in midair by USAF and foreigners.

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« Reply #124 on: June 06, 2005, 12:23:42 PM »
Бля, как перевести обращение "Мой дорогой недалёкий друг!"... :confused:

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To sum it up, the legacy of USSR time brainwashing still lives strong and reverting back to that will ensure that the russian population will live in thier distorted reality a few more generations.


Legacy of USSR time brainwashing? Compared with a huge wave (tsunami!) of **** poured on us according to "Western version of truth" it's not brainwashing at all.

Look at the subject of a discussion: another "prisoner of unconsciousness" screams that evil regime banned his "history" book that repeats Western "truth" hallucinations and tells young Russians that they are evil and their best choice is to kill themselves.

I don't want to live in the same "reality" with you. Sorry.

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I still can't figure out how they don't see the heinous mess thier country is today when they defend the past regimes.


I don't defend regimes. I defend my country and it's glorious history.

Why don't US history books focus on genocide of Indians? Then why should we focus on deprotation of Chechens and Crimean Tatars, where Evil Communist Regime (tm) showed humanism unknown to people in the West who keep on teaching us what to do?...

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« Reply #125 on: June 06, 2005, 12:24:11 PM »
LOL

Check out Estel's list of american crimes against civilian aircraft! Too funny.

This is almost as funny as when you commies were arguing that soviets invented the airplane.

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« Reply #126 on: June 06, 2005, 12:27:44 PM »
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Staga, your zombied Western "civilization" cracked its pot when it adopted idiotic total dualism. That's why you can always give a yes-or-no answer to any imaginable question. BTW, is the grey colour white ? (Yes\No) Or is the grey colour black ? (Yes\No) :p :D


It's  called "Manichaean heresy" :D

Look, we are not a part of the "brave new world" of Western Christianity. It's one of the reasons for a hatered that's 1000 years old...

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« Reply #127 on: June 06, 2005, 12:32:53 PM »
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LOL

Check out Estel's list of american crimes against civilian aircraft! Too funny.

This is almost as funny as when you commies were arguing that soviets invented the airplane.


What's so funny? As far as I understand - it's from ICAO official documents...

The problem is that West still believes that all crimes in XX century were committed by "red side", while the number of their own victims is simply too big to fit into an average imagination.

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« Reply #128 on: June 06, 2005, 12:37:39 PM »
Estel; Looks like you cant make the difference between shooting down a civilian passenger by accidentally or by intentionally.

Typical Russian behaviour.

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« Reply #129 on: June 06, 2005, 12:42:26 PM »
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Estel; Looks like you cant make the difference between shooting down a civilian passenger by accidentally or by intentionally.

Typical Russian behaviour.


I can. An Aeroflot and Iran Air was shot not accidentally. In other cases there were rules violations by USAF or NG pilots. Or maybe you think, that violating the rules, i.e. flight rules is not a crime?

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« Reply #130 on: June 06, 2005, 12:54:48 PM »
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I can. An Aeroflot and Iran Air was shot not accidentally.  


No, Staga is right. You can't.

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« Reply #131 on: June 06, 2005, 01:04:38 PM »
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No, Staga is right. You can't.


Ok, explain. But only in facts.

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« Reply #132 on: June 06, 2005, 01:44:13 PM »
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Ok, explain. But only in facts.


He means it's OK when Fighters for Peace and Democracy shoot down a civilian plane in international airspace only because the ship commander pissed his pants, but Evil Communist Regime doesn't have a right to shoot down an enemy recon plane that doesn't reply to signals and goes over vital defence objects for hours.

This Manichaean view includes that whatever they do is OK, and whatever we do is always eeeevil.

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« Reply #133 on: June 06, 2005, 01:48:19 PM »
The very fact that you listed accidental COLLISIONS on that desperate list tells a lot.

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« Reply #134 on: June 06, 2005, 01:49:35 PM »
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Compared with a huge wave (tsunami!) of **** poured on us according to "Western version of truth" it's not brainwashing at all.


Yeah its your version against rest of the planet.

Go study in NK it fits your style. :D