Author Topic: Just In Case Your Thinkin' About Buyin WWII Online (Read 5868 times)

Westy MOL · « **Reply #60 on:** June 15, 2001, 11:01:00 AM »

Spitboy, I think it comes down to the old passe but applicable "a glass half full" versus "a glass half empty" saying. You have a positive, "it needs to succeed" outlook, which is noble. That may be in part due to wanting WW2O to succeed because there are no alternatives now?

Anyway, I still read the WW2O boards. Also a couple of usenet and semi-private NNTP boards. I can't read the SF boards without a grain of salt or a full stomahce and I prefer SimHQ's fourmn and Datters to SF's boards - or even the official, but down, WW2O forumns.
My take on who is playing successfully online and who is not is from reading these several boards. Mostly by paying attention to the level headed posts be they negative or postitive. A LOT of folks say they get on but they cannot play with any reasonable amount of pleaure. They say they KNOW it will be cool when, or if, it finally finishes being baked. But they keep trying try. Tweak that, change this, order that, but this. And it works for some and not for others.
And when they get onlin it seems the they savor just being there if only to watch and hope by some miracle thier fps will jump our of the gutter so they can play. I think those folks are a hefty percentage of those getting online in the servers. Then there is a larger percentage overall who cannot at all and they hang out on the boards complaining about it. Seen the unofficial reports of the box returns? Not good if true - and there is no reason to think they would be all lies.

Onlien I also know there are two large vocal camps who flood the text buffer with either extolling the virutes of WW2O online while they play on boxes twice the recomended specs and in the meantime another group rails on CRS and WW2O with much they both sux.

It is folks like you that WW2O will need to help recover from this debacle.

Good luck SB! I'll holler if I come online some time soon

I do want to ambush a tank column coming across a bridge or get in a firefight defending/attacking a city or base.

-Westy

Nifty · « **Reply #61 on:** June 15, 2001, 12:11:00 PM »

From seeing everything that people have posted in terms of if they can fly decently or not, I have seen one constant. RAM >= 512MB "I can fly pretty well" RAM < 512MB "I can't fly!!"

I have 384MB of RAM and I can run around just fine as infantry (and it's pretty darn fun too!) I can fly just fine until I get near a battle. Then the HD starts going nuts to keep up, and eventually I CTD (with explorer getting taken out with it.)

Anyways, it'd be nice to see the petty attacks stop. So what if someone is cheerleading. They enjoy and like the game, so let 'em cheerlead! So what if someone hates the game! Let them rant and return the game (if their retailer lets them) and maybe offer some suggestions on how they can get the same experience you get! hehe, get along damn it!

Westy MOL · « **Reply #62 on:** June 15, 2001, 12:12:00 PM »

p.s.

I was perusing the WW2O HQ about ten minutes ago when I saw this. IMO, it kind of validates what I had a feeling for from reading peoples reactions and thoughts in several places since June 6th.

Less than 20% think it rocks.

-Westy

Nifty · « **Reply #63 on:** June 15, 2001, 01:01:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Westy MOL:
Less than 20% think it rocks.
-Westy

It does rock!! In flight, it rocks my hard drive every which way but loose!

Put me in the "Kinda" group.

Spitboy · « **Reply #64 on:** June 15, 2001, 01:05:00 PM »

Hehe, true Westy, but only 22% think it sucks

The rest are on the fence, or haven't had the chance to decide yet.

So I suspect the average opinion lies somewhere in between your and my view

Spitboy -SW-

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #65 on:** June 15, 2001, 01:30:00 PM »

http://sfi2.com/forum/ubb/Forum9/HTML/005521.html

There we see two kinds of people..

The ones that got screwed and can't stand it so they speak out...

Then those who got screwed, but like being screwed so they accept being screwed as if they were prostituting their tulips to the Rat's for the Rat's to screw around in a circle jerk all the while defending the Rat's for screwing them because they believe they were not screwed, when in fact they were screwed, but they believe CRS will turn the product around some odd number of months down the road so they don't mind that they got screwed.

Did I mention they got screwed and like getting screwed for some dumb bellybutton reason?

Screw you hippies!

-SW

Eagler · « **Reply #66 on:** June 15, 2001, 02:01:00 PM »

Anyone else notice the price went from $39.99 to $29.99 in less than a week? 25% price cut ...

Eagler

Westy MOL · « **Reply #67 on:** June 15, 2001, 02:28:00 PM »

Well, that's almost twice as many who hate it as like it. Even more so when the peopl who are unhappy because they cannot log in are counted

hee heee hee. We could keep going all day

A good situation report just came out. We'll have to see how this goes. The plot thickens. Do I sense a new chapter for the Book of MacDweeb coming?

Westy

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Corwin · « **Reply #68 on:** June 15, 2001, 05:11:00 PM »

I was invited to the closed Beta of WWIIOnline and was never able to log in. I spent hours scouring their BB's and trying to dl, reinstall, tweak, etc. I have to say that they are getting a lot of free customer support from some of their players but I didn't see a whole lot of posts from the company reps.

I foolishly preordered the software and have had the same experience since then. They offered live chat tech support and even (briefly) posted hours when it would be available. It's never been available (even during the posted hours which subsequently disappeared). I emailed a request to the help desk 9 days ago and received a response last night that said, "this problem has been fixed". Really? They forgot to tell my computer because it still thinks it has a problem.

Nope, no way to run a business IMHO. I sent it back.

Zigrat · « **Reply #69 on:** June 15, 2001, 05:59:00 PM »

my take on ww2ol is that the ground war is miles ahead of anything aces high has or ever aspires to have (from the horse's mouth) but the terrible fps is what is ruining it.

i really have had ZERO connect problems so I cannot comment on that, i have been very successful in connecting with no more lag than i get in aces high (read very little) the problem is that its just hard to dogfight at 15 fps, but not so bad in a tank.

when they get the game where a modest system (say p3-500 mhz and 256 megs of ram) can maintain a minimum 20 fps then this game will rock.

at 20 fps the stuff on the ground really does seem smooth, since turret traverse rates and movement rates are slow by ariel standards... when moving at 400 mph you really need at least 40 fps for things to seem smooth.

another problem with the game right now is difficulty in organization, their mission system really sucks imo and hitech made a much better misison system. their misisons are just like a "
spawn here in whatever you want flag" instead of "organize and we will all launhc together in 7 minutes and talk about what needs to be done first" system. Id like to see the aces high misison editor in ww2ol! But then again i'd like to see ww2ol fidelity vehicles in aces high

no game gets it all 100%

i wish CRS and HTC had stuck together. mabye if the rats had just had to focus on the ground battle, and theyd let htc develop the aerial portion of the game we'd have the best game in history

one last thing i thought id say. i think it was a really bad idea to make the game only available via retail box. if they hadn't done it that way they would have been alot better off right now in terms of customer satisfaction.... besides how much does the developer make off each box, 5 bucks? assuming 30,000 units sold i dont think 150 grand is worth all the crap they have gotten from customers.

blah blah blah

Jekyll · « **Reply #70 on:** June 16, 2001, 05:14:00 PM »

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one last thing i thought id say. i think it was a really bad idea to make the game only available via retail box. if they hadn't done it that way they would have been alot better off right now in terms of customer satisfaction.... besides how much does the developer make off each box, 5 bucks? assuming 30,000 units sold i dont think 150 grand is worth all the crap they have gotten from customers.

My understanding is that they simply ran out of funding around March of this year. It was either bring a distributor on board to issue it as a retail box or pack up the office and go home.

As for framerates Zig, have you tried the new .111 patch? Most people are reporting substantial framerate increases. I flew over Dinant last night otw to a huge furball at one of the Allied airfields. Dinant has always been an FPS 'black-hole', dragging framerates down to single digits. Last night I maintained a steady 48 fps all the way to the furball. Even in combat, it only dropped to 25 or so at the worst of times.

Zigrat · « **Reply #71 on:** June 16, 2001, 06:47:00 PM »

yes the patch gives me much better fps and im happy with the ground combat now

the air combat still needs work (fm and clipping issues) but the patch was a definite improvement.

Jekyll · « **Reply #72 on:** June 17, 2001, 08:12:00 AM »

So Westy, why did YOU buy WW2OL?

Westy MOL · « **Reply #73 on:** June 17, 2001, 08:41:00 AM »

I did not buy WW2O.

Anymore than I bought B17-II for the reasons that it fell also flat on it's face, was half baked and came with promises of core features missing but yet to come.

My brother didn't ask about it or I'd of waved him off. Funny how all those pre-release "trolls" were right on and telling the truth. Anyway, since he bought it I got to try it too.

If it had been a piece of chicken being served to me at a restaraunt I'd have sent it back promptly to the chef and requests they at least remove the feathers. After this latest patch I can only congratulate them on getting some of the feathers off but could they at least remove the rest and maybe even put it in the oven to cook?

-Westy

[ 06-17-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]

R4M · « **Reply #74 on:** June 17, 2001, 08:53:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Westy MOL:
I did not buy WW2O.

Anymore than I bought B17-II for the reasons that it fell also flat on it's face, was half baked and came with promises of core features missing but yet to come.

My brother didn't ask about it or I'd of waved him off. Funny how all those pre-release "trolls" were right on and telling the truth. Anyway, since he bought it I got to try it too.

If it had been a piece of chicken being served to me at a restaraunt I'd have sent it back promptly to the chef and requests they at least remove the feathers. After this latest patch I can only congratulate them on getting some of the feathers off but could they at least remove the rest and maybe even put it in the oven to cook?

-Westy

[ 06-17-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]

Are you suggesting that Aces High 1.0 was a perfectly cooked chicken?.

I dont think so.In fact and IMHO it was far from it; even when it was in a better shape than WWIIOL is now ,especially regarding CTD and stability issues now that the FPS have been brought up to a decent level).

Still we then all happily payed 30$/month for a sim in develop because it was a sim wich promised a lot and we were having fun at the time. This is a similar case, with a game in a lesser degree of completion than what AH was then, but fun nonetheless.

WWIIOL 1.11 is not -is FAR from being- a finished product. It is in beta in almost everything; and personally I take this time as a Beta test time (paying 40$ for the box to get into it...yep...well, is not a "Free" beta

) as we dont pay monthly fee. But indeed is a sim wich promises A LOT in the future, has awesome potential and lots of interest for me. And when I tanked before with Kirin, I really felt like being there...when we topped that hill to find a char just 20 meters away, the panic, the immersion, the feeling IS there.

It is fun. VERY fun IMO.

The WWIIOL chicken is not cooked. Even it may have some feathers still on (those damned CTDs...).But its in the way to be GREAT, and I know it will taste wonderful.

In AH 1.0 I payed the 30$ to HTC only after ONE week of free trial. I didnt need more to know I liked it and that it was worth my money. I have payed 40$ to CRS and if it was worth 10$/month at this moment I would pay them too. MAtter of tastes, maybe, but I simply like the game.

I never regretted paying that money to HTC. I dont think I'll regret the payement I've given to CRS, even when the sim is not stable at all. And that is what matters, doesnt it?

[ 06-17-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]