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Offline Torque

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« Reply #45 on: October 27, 2005, 10:26:42 PM »
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this is where the dizzy liberals all fall down from the lefty circle talk

the facts are abortion is used as birth control for the lazy, stupid and the "oops" group (save the rape and incest numbers to justify allowing it to yourself) and is legal murder of an innocent life - for now


sounds like an effective social and fiscal policy.
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« Reply #46 on: October 27, 2005, 10:30:39 PM »
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or not.


You see... the moment someone starts talking about legislating abortion rights away, they immediately start talking about exceptions and exclusions. If you truly believe that it is murder and that no woman has the right to choose an abortion,  you have to believe that aborting a fetus that resulted from rape or incest is equally murder.


Here is my angle on it.

If the law protects the life of fetus as a life in one case and killing it is murder, then it has to protect the life in all cases regardless.

It's either a legally defined life to be protected, or it is not. That needs to be the first thing straightened out. Which is it, one way or the other....not both.

So yes, if I believed that it is a human life and protected as such under law, then in no instance should anyone be allowed to kill it, unless the woman's life is in danger due to the pregnancy and not aborting would cause the mother and, as a result, the fetus die.

Basically, it's either a human life with full protection, or it is not.
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« Reply #47 on: October 27, 2005, 10:32:24 PM »
Well... It's my take that it's life if the mother chooses it to be so. Otherwise, it's just tissue.
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« Reply #48 on: October 27, 2005, 10:38:06 PM »
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Well... It's my take that it's life if the mother chooses it to be so. Otherwise, it's just tissue.


But that's not how it's defined in  law. The law is defining it as a life in the case of someone killing a womans fetus.....a life that is to be protected.

The woman can't just tell the prosecuter: "it's okay, my boyfriend hit me and killed my fetus, but I didn't want it to live anyway, so you don't need to go any further in the case"

Its a law the woman has no say in. They will go after a murder case.
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« Reply #49 on: October 27, 2005, 10:48:04 PM »
Let me rephrase... it's life unless the mother chooses it not to be.
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« Reply #50 on: October 27, 2005, 10:49:51 PM »
I think this is a rather stupid argument, but hey at least you guys are being civil....for now  ;)
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« Reply #51 on: October 27, 2005, 10:52:20 PM »
I say locked before page four.
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« Reply #52 on: October 27, 2005, 10:53:13 PM »
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I say locked before page four.


probably but the hienas (conservatives) are being pretty civil with the zebra (sandy)
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« Reply #53 on: October 27, 2005, 10:57:27 PM »
I bet this thread ends up changing a lot of peoples' minds, and reveals a lot of new information that no one knew before!
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« Reply #54 on: October 27, 2005, 10:58:19 PM »
:rofl
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« Reply #55 on: October 27, 2005, 11:01:02 PM »
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I bet this thread ends up changing a lot of peoples' minds, and reveals a lot of new information that no one knew before!


Kind of like 90% of all the threads on this bb!
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« Reply #56 on: October 27, 2005, 11:25:55 PM »
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I think this is a rather stupid argument, but hey at least you guys are being civil....for now  ;)


Am I not always? ;)
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« Reply #57 on: October 27, 2005, 11:28:05 PM »
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Am I not always? ;)


Sure :aok
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Offline SaburoS

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« Reply #58 on: October 28, 2005, 12:48:40 AM »
^^^^

Agree with Sandy 100%

I'm just being lazy.

Here's a question:
Would all the guys here still be anti abortion if they were the ones getting pregnant?
To have another have a say in what you do with your life/body?
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« Reply #59 on: October 28, 2005, 12:54:38 AM »
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I don't know anyone that is pro-abortion.

I know quite a few that are pro-choice.

There is a difference.


that is what I ment
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