Democrats Want to Lose another war

[Nefarious]

Originally posted by Yeager
I have got to admit when USSR failed in Afganistan I was deep down disappointed.  Even back then I had a gut feel that Jihad was the devil.

Maybe they would have won...

But We had our hand in Russias Defeat in Afghanistan. Did you forget intentionally? Remember we had to stop the spread of of Communisim at any cost, Even if that meant putting OBL and the Mujhadeen on our payroll.

[Eden]

Originally posted by DoctorYO
Point taken...  but at least im not a hypocrite.  you or any of your chest thumping squad get them reup papers like I asked you for about 2 years ago..

I rest my case..
 


DoctorYo

Uhm, yea

[oboe]

Originally posted by Eagler
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No one in their right mind believes Dems cheer every explosion and clap at flag-draped coffins.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by oboe
No one in their right mind believes Dems cheer every explosion and clap at flag-draped coffins.

without them Moveon.org wouldn't have anything to put in their hate adds.

[oboe]

True but that doesn't mean they are cheering and clapping about it.   That's a pretty disgusting suggestion.

I found an editorial that casts a little more light on Murtha's proposal.  Specifically, he asked [list=1]

• To immediately redeploy U.S. troops consistent with the safety of U.S. forces.
• To create a quick reaction force in the region.
• To create an over-the-horizon presence of Marines.
• To diplomatically pursue security and stability in Iraq.
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So maybe its not as reckless as I thought on first glance.   The article also says

Gen. George Casey, the commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, told Congress in September that "the perception of occupation in Iraq is a major driving force behind the insurgency." And Gen. John Abizaid, commander of U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) said the same day that “reducing the size and visibility of the coalition forces in Iraq is a part of our counterinsurgency strategy.”  Without a U.S. military target on the roads of Iraq everyday, or the justification of U.S. military occupation as the reason for violence, casual public support for the insurgency will decline, and a greater sense of urgency will be created in the country to provide for common security.

 http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2005/11/withdrawal_is_n.html#more

[Gunslinger]

Anything that brings the boys home and creates a stable country, I'm all for it.

[Yeager]

But We had our hand in Russias Defeat in Afghanistan. Did you forget intentionally?
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No forget, I always justified the support of the mujis as political payback to Russia for supporting North Korea and North Vietnam.   Its all politics.

[oboe]

Me too, Gun.

Originally posted by Yeager
No forget, I always justified the support of the mujis as political payback to Russia for supporting North Korea and North Vietnam.   Its all politics.

So is the characterization of Murtha's plan as 'retreat'.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by oboe
Me too, Gun.



So is the characterization of Murtha's plan as 'retreat'.

I would call it a retreat if it had no real provision for victory.  I would define victory as a stable Iraq with democratically elected leaders.

[g00b]

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[oboe]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
I would call it a retreat if it had no real provision for victory.  I would define victory as a stable Iraq with democratically elected leaders.

Stable might be too much to ask for, if you mean no more bombings.   But elected leaders with competent security force might do.

I think the gist of the Murtha proposal is that our troops presence may be causing a great portion of the insurgent problem.   Only by removing them can Iraq make the progress it needs to toward stability.    I wouldn't call that a retreat.

Will Halliburton's contracts end with the ultimate troop withdrawal, whenever that may be?    I'm still awfully suspicious of that whole deal.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by oboe
Stable might be too much to ask for, if you mean no more bombings.   But elected leaders with competent security force might do.

I think the gist of the Murtha proposal is that our troops presence may be causing a great portion of the insurgent problem.   Only by removing them can Iraq make the progress it needs to toward stability.    I wouldn't call that a retreat.

Will Halliburton's contracts end with the ultimate troop withdrawal, whenever that may be?    I'm still awfully suspicious of that whole deal.

Everyone has a right to be suspicious but what most don't realize is that haliburton has been in the ME for over 20 years and there's not to many other companies out there that can do the job they do.  I don't think it's blatent coruption but I do think those that own stocks in companies that profit from war, and make the decisions to go to war and use said companies should turn over their control over their shairs to some kind of trust until they are no longer in a position of influence.  Either ay the VP doesn't have much say in what contracter get's chosen.

[Shifty]

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[oboe]

Shifty,

All you've proved to me with this diatribe is that you are not in your right mind.   Do you actually believe that Democrat like Jack Murtha, a 30 yr decorated Marine veteran cheers at explosions and claps at flag-draped coffins?

I can find no reference that doesn't make it clear George Bush as president had volumes more intel available to base his decisions on, and that Congress was dependent for their intel on what he released to them.

Halliburton stock opened in January this year around $37/share, and closed yesterday at $60.71 - an impressive run for a company that is losing money as you claim.    Unless you mean they are just losing money on the no-bid contract awarded to them that started much of the controversy.   But who loses money on a no-bid contract?

The vote is a joke; it would be meaningful if they were voting on Murtha's actual resolution.   I saw the text of the resolution Gunslinger posted in another thread and it is nothing like what Murtha has proposed.   Its not going to prove anything.

Finally, my sincere wishes that everything is OK with you and yours, John.  I know your family has made more than its share of the sacrifice, and I thank you for that.

[Shifty]

Originally posted by oboe
Shifty,

All you've proved to me with this diatribe is that you are not in your right mind.   Do you actually believe that Democrat like Jack Murtha, a 30 yr decorated Marine veteran cheers at explosions and claps at flag-draped coffins?

I can find no reference that doesn't make it clear George Bush as president had volumes more intel available to base his decisions on, and that Congress was dependent for their intel on what he released to them.

Halliburton stock opened in January this year around $37/share, and closed yesterday at $60.71 - an impressive run for a company that is losing money as you claim.    Unless you mean they are just losing money on the no-bid contract awarded to them that started much of the controversy.   But who loses money on a no-bid contract?

The vote is a joke; it would be meaningful if they were voting on Murtha's actual resolution.   I saw the text of the resolution Gunslinger posted in another thread and it is nothing like what Murtha has proposed.   Its not going to prove anything.

Finally, my sincere wishes that everything is OK with you and yours, John.  I know your family has made more than its share of the sacrifice, and I thank you for that.

Nice try but don't  be condecending.  I'm not just talking of Murtha. I do believe that Dems, and the media lick their lips with every American death. I do believe they want this country to fail. For no other reason then politics.

As far as Murtha. His service to this country as a U.S Marine is admirable. His dis-service to the Marines, and Soldiers, in Iraq yesterday is reprehensable. Al-Jazera TV was very impressed with Mr Murtha yesterday.  Seems the DNC, and AQ , now both think him a hero.

 I'm as sick of this war as anybody. I'm also not a blind Bush lover. He's made a lot of screwups while in office. Spending , immigration, and I personally think he should have worried about Bin-Laden first and foremost.   I've questioned his IQ is when he's tried to cozy to DEMs like letting that drunk bastage Kennedy work on the No Child Left Behind Bill. Expecting the DEMS to play nice and pound him dailey about the war effort pisses me off. Instead of being quiet he should have been out there everyday stating why he has our troops in Iraq , and pushing for their support.

 I can't accept that you would wish the best for my family or any other military family. While at the same time  you support and promote the politics , and people that make their lives more dangerous everyday. It's people like you the AQ count on to get America to cave.
Maybe you should question if your in the right mind. Or at least question where your  heart is.

Again many thanks for your support to our nation in time of war.